SI's Peter King RANKS QBs (1 Viewer)

[fridayfrenzy]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...6/17/qbs/1.html

 

[BigSteelThrill]

2 words for Peter King...

Re Tire

 

[Penguin]

McNabb #12 with Romo & Cutler ahead of him, ah yeah, right

 

[Double_J]

McNabb #12 with Romo & Cutler ahead of him, ah yeah, right

While I don't think they should be ahead of him, how many years in a row has he had a season ending injury? How much more can he take?

 

[Penguin]

McNabb #12 with Romo & Cutler ahead of him, ah yeah, right

While I don't think they should be ahead of him, how many years in a row has he had a season ending injury? How much more can he take?

My feeling is that when Donavan plays, he plays at an All-Pro level. Romo was brutal last year in the last 5 or so games of the season once teams were forcing him to beat them. Cutler, what has he done to be ranked higher than McNabb who led the Eagles to the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row. We are not talking about degrading output as in Brett Favre's case, we're talking about one of the best QB's in the league when healthy.

 

[az_prof]

Two issues: First, do you agree with King's criteria? Second, is he consistent in the application of those criteria.

I don't know if his criteria are the right ones or not, but what bothers me is he apparently doesn't seem to pay much attention to them. He tell us that he is looking at YPA, completion percentage, and wins.

Yet, somehow Vince Young is the sixth best QB?????? How many dynasty leagues does King own Young in? His completion percentage and and YPA are both among the very bottom. His 8 wins are nothing to write home about. One can only conclude that King sees A LOT of intangibles in Young. Yet, he also gives McNabb, for example, the same "7" for intangibles as Young. Yet, in every category McNabb is better. And yet Young is sixth and McNabb is twelfth? It doesn't make sense. Based upon his criteria McNabb should be in the top 6 and Young should be in the bottom ten at least.

One wonders how he assigns the intangibles also. Somehow Garcia, who was a true leader for the Eagles last year and willed them into the playoffs, is only a 6. The same as Losman and Schaub???? Trent Green is 24th and yet his wins, YPA, completion percentage, and even intangibles (8) are among the highest and should place him in the top 10.

I could go on and on, but beyond whether I agree with his rankings or with his criteria, he should at least apply his criteria consistently. Otherwise just say "here are my completely subjective rankings. I like these guys based upon my gut instinct."

 

[thayman]

Two issues: First, do you agree with King's criteria? Second, is he consistent in the application of those criteria.I don't know if his criteria are the right ones or not, but what bothers me is he apparently doesn't seem to pay much attention to them. He tell us that he is looking at YPA, completion percentage, and wins.Yet, somehow Vince Young is the sixth best QB?????? How many dynasty leagues does King own Young in? His completion percentage and and YPA are both among the very bottom. His 8 wins are nothing to write home about. One can only conclude that King sees A LOT of intangibles in Young. Yet, he also gives McNabb, for example, the same "7" for intangibles as Young. Yet, in every category McNabb is better. And yet Young is sixth and McNabb is twelfth? It doesn't make sense. Based upon his criteria McNabb should be in the top 6 and Young should be in the bottom ten at least.One wonders how he assigns the intangibles also. Somehow Garcia, who was a true leader for the Eagles last year and willed them into the playoffs, is only a 6. The same as Losman and Schaub???? Trent Green is 24th and yet his wins, YPA, completion percentage, and even intangibles (8) are among the highest and should place him in the top 10.I could go on and on, but beyond whether I agree with his rankings or with his criteria, he should at least apply his criteria consistently. Otherwise just say "here are my completely subjective rankings. I like these guys based upon my gut instinct."

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Two issues: First, do you agree with King's criteria? Second, is he consistent in the application of those criteria.I don't know if his criteria are the right ones or not, but what bothers me is he apparently doesn't seem to pay much attention to them. He tell us that he is looking at YPA, completion percentage, and wins.Yet, somehow Vince Young is the sixth best QB?????? How many dynasty leagues does King own Young in? His completion percentage and and YPA are both among the very bottom. His 8 wins are nothing to write home about. One can only conclude that King sees A LOT of intangibles in Young. Yet, he also gives McNabb, for example, the same "7" for intangibles as Young. Yet, in every category McNabb is better. And yet Young is sixth and McNabb is twelfth? It doesn't make sense. Based upon his criteria McNabb should be in the top 6 and Young should be in the bottom ten at least.One wonders how he assigns the intangibles also. Somehow Garcia, who was a true leader for the Eagles last year and willed them into the playoffs, is only a 6. The same as Losman and Schaub???? Trent Green is 24th and yet his wins, YPA, completion percentage, and even intangibles (8) are among the highest and should place him in the top 10.I could go on and on, but beyond whether I agree with his rankings or with his criteria, he should at least apply his criteria consistently. Otherwise just say "here are my completely subjective rankings. I like these guys based upon my gut instinct."

He specifically said he downgraded mcnabb because of injury concerns. ETA: He based this on his expected production, so Trent Green probably gets downgraded heaviliy because he's not expecting the Dolphins to be very productive (similar to Kitna getting a big boost simply because he's "Mike Martz's QB".) compared to what he did in KC.Vince young? No clue what he was thinking, given his criteria.

 

[DaWidowMaker]

Not that I'm a Peter King apologists but if you read the article you will notice that he mentions basing his rankings on THIS year and THIS year only. Not a cumulative ranking of ones career. Of course Mcnabb is considered better than Jay Cut and Romo but for this year I have to agree....McNabb will be out by week 10.

 

[hacman]

Interesting to note that Alex Smith, heading into his third year in the league, is still the youngest starting QB at 23 years old.

 

[burd]

Rankings should be based on actual performance, not on subjective things like the possibility of being injured. He should have ranked them all based on how they'll actually perform. I mean, what's to stop him from predicting that Peyton will suffer a season ending injury and thus rank him #7?

I usually like Peter king articles because he's fairly knowledgable, but this article is just dissappointing.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Too High: Hasselbeck, Kitna, Romo, Vince Young

Too Low: Big Ben, McNabb, Leinart, Garcia

 

[TheGreatest]

He said if he was starting a team today....he would take D. Brees over C. Palmer. Does anybody have a problem with that? Does anybody agree with that?

 

[burd]

He said if he was starting a team today....he would take D. Brees over C. Palmer. Does anybody have a problem with that? Does anybody agree with that?

Honestly, the arguement can be made for either QB ... both are smart, talented QBs. I for one was impresed by Brees' performacne given that he had to learn a new system, and didn't have the talent he had in SD. Palmer is great QB in his own right as well .. i say that they're equally as talented.

 

[az_prof]

I agree that it is pretty much even between Palmer and Brees. It's a matter of personal preference. Both are proven. Both are in good offenses. Both have good weapons. Both are pretty young (27/28). Both have had some injuries.

 

[vinwinephans]

Not that I'm a Peter King apologists but if you read the article you will notice that he mentions basing his rankings on THIS year and THIS year only. Not a cumulative ranking of ones career. Of course Mcnabb is considered better than Jay Cut and Romo but for this year I have to agree....McNabb will be out by week 10.

And if McNabb is not out by week 10 means you and him are WRONG.People get too hung up on injuries.

 

[Despyzer]

Rank Player Team WinsYds/Att. Pct. Yards TD/INT Rush Intang. Age#7. V.Young* Tenn 8 6.16 .515 2,199 -1 552 7 248. P. Rivers* SD 14 7.27 .614 3,503 +12 48 7 25
Why post the stats if they aren't going to contribute to the reasoning behind the selection at all?

 

[StuntMonkee]

Interesting to note that Alex Smith, heading into his third year in the league, is still the youngest starting QB at 23 years old.

Ironic that the 2 QB's that have the worst TD/INT ratio are the youngest and the oldest. . . .but at least Favre has nearly 8k yards

 

[jetpack]

The biggest correlation seems to be between his "Intangibles" score and his ranking. That told me all I needed to know. It's all just gut feeling for him, with a quick glance at the stats (or his imagined stats for 2007) to back up his gut.

But more than anything, its just a boring read.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Eli Manning at 23. "Ouch."

I'm not crazy about some other picks, but these stood out the most to me:

Matt Schaub is ranked too high at #19.

Kitna is too high at #9.

Roethlisberger is too low at #17.

McNabb is too low at #12.

Cutler is too high at #10.

 

[nygiants56]

McNabb #12 with Romo & Cutler ahead of him, ah yeah, right

actually, King dead-on with that one..

McNabb has played just ONE full season, since 2002..the guy is a potato chip..he's Ole' Unreliable...

he's on the wrong side of 30.

in his 8-year career, he's thrown for 20 or more TDs in a season , just 3 times.. JUST 3 TIMES!

thats pathetic.

only twice since 2001 , has he thrown for more than 20 TDs..

relative to his ADP, he's the MOST overrated player in fantasy football, today..his numbers break down to be statistically similar to those of Jake Delhomme..uggh...

Lets see now, I can take McNabb early, (as is the case in most fantasy drafts - McNabb goes early), or I can take a guy like Phil Rivers a bit later, and get BETTER numbers..hmm. I'll take Rivers for $400, Alex..

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Vick should be about 15-20 spots higher.

 

[nygiants56]

Eli Manning at 23. "Ouch."

I'm not crazy about some other picks, but these stood out the most to me:

Matt Schaub is ranked too high at #19.

Kitna is too high at #9.

Roethlisberger is too low at #17.

McNabb is too low at #12.

Cutler is too high at #10.

I thought Eli's placing was pretty good, actually..you have to remember, they lost Tiki, so opponents will stack the line with 8 man fronts. they lost Finn, I don't care how good Jacobs might be at FB, he's no Jim Finn..the O-line isn't very good..the defense can't stop anyone, so how much time of possession will NY really have this season?Kevin Gilbride is calling the plays on offense..I say, anyone who gets b*tch slapped by Buddy Ryan, doesn't deserve to coach in the NFL. Ryan was right when he clocked Gilbride.He's an idiot who loves to chuck-n-duck and doesn't know how to wind a clock down at the end of a game..he's coached for 7 or eight different NFL teams now, can't be THAT good if he keeps changing addresses, can he?

Eli has always had accuracy problems. without Tiki, he'll likely have to pass a lot more..that means trouble.

20 ints..the kid doesn't have what it takes ,between the ears, to deal with a THAT crowd if/when they start to get on him and the boos start echoing around Giants Stadium...

 

[dparker713]

McNabb #12 with Romo & Cutler ahead of him, ah yeah, right

actually, King dead-on with that one..

McNabb has played just ONE full season, since 2002..the guy is a potato chip..he's Ole' Unreliable...

he's on the wrong side of 30.

in his 8-year career, he's thrown for 20 or more TDs in a season , just 3 times.. JUST 3 TIMES!

thats pathetic.

only twice since 2001 , has he thrown for more than 20 TDs..

relative to his ADP, he's the MOST overrated player in fantasy football, today..his numbers break down to be statistically similar to those of Jake Delhomme..uggh...

Lets see now, I can take McNabb early, (as is the case in most fantasy drafts - McNabb goes early), or I can take a guy like Phil Rivers a bit later, and get BETTER numbers..hmm. I'll take Rivers for $400, Alex..

Try comparing their per game stats. You know, apples to apples.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Vick should be about 15-20 spots higher.

thank you.