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Sizing Up the Overrated Prospects (1 Viewer)

Great stuff. Agree completely on Slaton and King. And I agree that it was a good move for King because he wasn't going to get better instruction at Penn State than he will in the NFL. As a great athlete and with his good speed, I think he could become a starting NFL corner if a team will take a year or two to teach him all the things he didn't learn in college.

 
Way off on Groves! No burst?! This guy takes off like a 100M sprinter and closes on the QB like any of the best playing on Sunday. Sure he had a down year as a senior as he dislocated several toes early in the season and hadn't looked himself since. Will this injury have everlasting effects? Maybe, maybe not. I agree that he should fit better as a 3-4 OLB, but I haven't seen him play in space much. His predicessor (Stanley McClover) was great in space and is being misused by Carolina as a 4-3 DE. Groves was a much better pass rusher than McClover and single-handedly changed games or wiped out opposing offenses' 2:00 minute drills. This guy is definately top 20 material if he has recovered from his injury and no later than a late 2nd/early 3rd on potential alone if he hasn't made a full recovery by combine/pro-days.

 
Slaton would have been a good call before the season, but by now everyone knows he's over-rated and looked a lot better than his actual talent due to the gimmick offense he played in.

I guess i'm questioning what he's being called over-rated on, his current projected draft position? His stock has already dropped a ton.

Pre-season many thought he was a 1st round talent, but no one does now. Now he's thought of as a 2nd/3rdish round guy, so is the article basically saying he's more of a 4th round kind of guy?

 
Is King any different from Alan Zemaitis? The scouting reports sound almost identical.
My opinion: Yes. Zemaitis was a little more refined coming into the NFL, but King is a better athlete and faster by quite a bit. Zemaitis I think had reached his ceiling at Penn State via hard work even if the coaching wasn't that good. I don't think King is near his ceiling. He may never get there of course, but he has way more upside.
 
I was looking at the Mock Drafts on that site, and both of them have Michael Oher in them. I guess they have not gotten the word that he is going back to Ole Miss.

Outside of that they are pretty good.

 
I was looking at the Mock Drafts on that site, and both of them have Michael Oher in them. I guess they have not gotten the word that he is going back to Ole Miss.Outside of that they are pretty good.
I thought Oher declared for the draft this week. Did he change his mind?Edit- I checked myself, and sure enough, he did. Interesting.
 
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I want to see a profile on Limas Sweed. I think he's definitely the most overrated reciever in the draft.
:excited: Although I've wavered on Sweed being over/under-rated, it's clear alot of people have different opinions on how fast he is. Is he going to be the plodding big-WR who can't get separation in the Pros, or can he display the physicality, instinct, and/or breakaway speed of guys like Braylon Edwards, Sidney Rice, or Larry Fitzgerald?
 
February 19 edition

Herd to the white courtesy phone. :hot:
Interesting choices. It is interesting that receiving has become so integral to a running back's prospects these days. I don't put much stock in to the "running backs his size...." argument; there are lots of different sized guys that do different things well. I am interested in the idea of Charles as a "change of pace" guy. He's not a 3rd down back, so I'm not sure what "change of pace" refers to unless it's to be the outside speed option to a bigger interior runner. Furthermore, I'm not sure how Charles is "overrated" if the general consensus is that he's going to go in round 2 or 3 after at least 4 other RBs are gone. I suppose he'd be overrated if you thought someone like Ray Rice was better, but I think arguments can be made against him (and other RB prospects) as easily as against Charles. As for the Tatum Bell comparisons, that's just lazy. Aside from both being in the Big XII, they have virtually nothing in common. For example, Bell is a bad receiver. Charles is an unknown receiver. Furthermore, as Chris Henry showed last year, speed kills for RBs in the draft. Charles's speed is likely to propel him higher than many expect (to RB5) and he is a high upside runner. I admit he could bust as easily as anyone, but I'm not buying any argument that a guy who runs a 4.3 forty and comes from a quality program is "overrated" just because he doesn't have an ideal frame and wasn't involved in the passing game.Brohm: Agree completely.

 
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Furthermore, as Chris Henry showed last year, speed kills for RBs in the draft. Charles's speed is likely to propel him higher than many expect (to RB5) and he is a high upside runner.
It's shocking to me that anyone would use a Chris Henry comparison to refute a label of "overrated".
 
Furthermore, as Chris Henry showed last year, speed kills for RBs in the draft. Charles's speed is likely to propel him higher than many expect (to RB5) and he is a high upside runner.
It's shocking to me that anyone would use a Chris Henry comparison to refute a label of "overrated".
I didn't realize Chris Henry's career was over and his draft position had been proven a mistake.
 
Is King any different from Alan Zemaitis? The scouting reports sound almost identical.
They're not really comparable at all. The issue with Zemaitis was that he was limited athletically. King on the other hand:Positives: Physically, has everything scouts are looking for. Tight skinned, athletic build, good size and rare straight-line speed. ... Smooth hip turn in transition to stick with receivers out of their breaks. ... Versatile athlete who has seen time at wide receiver. ... Shows the ability to pluck the ball out of the air. ... Flashes explosiveness as a hitter.Negatives: Left out on an island in 2007 and really struggled down the stretch. ... Has the athleticism to run with any receiver in the country, but seemed to struggle with more refined route-runners. ... Too often seemed satisfied with breaking up passes when opportunities for interceptions were there. ... Finished 2007 with 15 passes broken up and only two interceptions. ... Not particularly aggressive or physical in run support.Per NFL Draft ScoutI'm also not clear on who is overrating King? I'm seeing him project in the middle rounds.
 
Is King any different from Alan Zemaitis? The scouting reports sound almost identical.
They're not really comparable at all. The issue with Zemaitis was that he was limited athletically. King on the other hand:Positives: Physically, has everything scouts are looking for. Tight skinned, athletic build, good size and rare straight-line speed. ... Smooth hip turn in transition to stick with receivers out of their breaks. ... Versatile athlete who has seen time at wide receiver. ... Shows the ability to pluck the ball out of the air. ... Flashes explosiveness as a hitter.

Negatives: Left out on an island in 2007 and really struggled down the stretch. ... Has the athleticism to run with any receiver in the country, but seemed to struggle with more refined route-runners. ... Too often seemed satisfied with breaking up passes when opportunities for interceptions were there. ... Finished 2007 with 15 passes broken up and only two interceptions. ... Not particularly aggressive or physical in run support.

Per NFL Draft Scout

I'm also not clear on who is overrating King? I'm seeing him project in the middle rounds.
Tight skinned? There's a measurement for being TIGHT SKINNED???!!!!I think I'm going to give up on this draft stuff. :hophead:

 

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