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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8021102433.html

Numerous league sources, including some with direct knowledge of conversations between Snyder, Cerrato and recent head coaching candidates, have affirmed that the Redskins have interest in trading for Cincinnati wide receiver Chad Johnson, with two league sources saying Johnson is eager to land a hefty new contract from Washington.

Acquiring an elite receiver is Snyder's top priority, league sources said. The Bengals have said they have no intention of trading Johnson, but his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, is working quietly to broker a deal, the sources said.
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Banger said:
They do realize there's a cap don't they?
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They're already 16 mil over and they think they can get Stinko on board somehow? Oh, and throw in a premier (in his and his agent's eyes) LB as well. No problem. Rosenjerk isn't going to let him be traded without a new contract. If they can pull it off, kudos but they need a new Einstein to crunch the numbers to make either of those moves.
 
They'll restructure enough contracts to get under the cap enough to go after some free agents. They do every year.

 
:goodposting:

Seriously though, if there is a combination of thw team willing to move draft picks, cap space, and sign a new contract for Chad its the Redskins.

The problem is that they will do this at the detriment of the rest of the squad and still be somewhere around mediocore for the next handful of years.

 
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Redskin fans should be happy that CJ would be getting paid instead of a 15 million signing bonus to either Jerry Porter or Berrian

 
Tecmo said:
Redskin fans should be happy that CJ would be getting paid instead of a 15 million signing bonus to either Jerry Porter or Berrian
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That's a nice optimistic way to look at this. It's still a terrible idea, but you've just identified Snyder and the Washington media's spin on this deal if it comes to fruition.
 
thayman said:
Chadstroma said:
redman said:
Banger said:
They do realize there's a cap don't they?
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Yes.
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:lmao: They treat the salary cap just like they approach signing free agents.... reckless abandon.
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They are one of the few teams that the players contracts are about as garaunteed as it gets in the NFL.
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Agreed. You can criticize their player evaluation and acquisition strategy all day long, but the one area in which they are probably more skilled than any team in the NFL at managing the cap. They're wizards when it comes to that, and it's because they utilized the team's competitive advantage: cash. They have enough disposable cash on hand to pay out guaranteed bonuses up front that are cap friendly and reduce the team's salary cap profile. It ends up meaning as a practical matter that they have what amounts to a $20M+ higher cap than other teams do.
 
If you want a detailed look at the thinking of the Redskin front office, there's a long article HERE. I think this information came from one or more of the people interviewed for the HC job.

 
As a Redskins fan, I am more upset about the draft pick compensation we would have to give up then the salary cap. We need young cheap depth on both lines and you don't get that by giving away multiple day 1 picks.

 
bojanglingus said:
As a Redskins fan, I am more upset about the draft pick compensation we would have to give up then the salary cap. We need young cheap depth on both lines and you don't get that by giving away multiple day 1 picks.
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I agree. I think Johnson is a great WR to have, but we need one complete draft where we are shoring up our lines. All it would take is one good draft and we could do it. Sign a cheaper FA WR like Hackett or Bryant Johnson, and be done with it.
 
redman said:
thayman said:
Chadstroma said:
redman said:
Banger said:
They do realize there's a cap don't they?
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Yes.
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:lmao: They treat the salary cap just like they approach signing free agents.... reckless abandon.
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They are one of the few teams that the players contracts are about as garaunteed as it gets in the NFL.
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Agreed. You can criticize their player evaluation and acquisition strategy all day long, but the one area in which they are probably more skilled than any team in the NFL at managing the cap. They're wizards when it comes to that, and it's because they utilized the team's competitive advantage: cash. They have enough disposable cash on hand to pay out guaranteed bonuses up front that are cap friendly and reduce the team's salary cap profile. It ends up meaning as a practical matter that they have what amounts to a $20M+ higher cap than other teams do.
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I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you. I would say it is not a good way to run yor business. When you over pay for players you lose any advantage anyway.
 
redman said:
Agreed. You can criticize their player evaluation and acquisition strategy all day long, but the one area in which they are probably more skilled than any team in the NFL at managing the cap. They're wizards when it comes to that, and it's because they utilized the team's competitive advantage: cash. They have enough disposable cash on hand to pay out guaranteed bonuses up front that are cap friendly and reduce the team's salary cap profile. It ends up meaning as a practical matter that they have what amounts to a $20M+ higher cap than other teams do.
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They're good at spending money? Congrats.Too bad they aren't wizards ata) hiring a head coachb) draftingc) building a teamd) blockinge) tacklingThey're lucky they play in the NFC. If they were in the AFC they'd be a 4-12 team most years. Even spending more then everyone else, in the NFC, they're 30-34 the last 4 years with a HOF head coach.Danny needs to spend less time figuring out how to maximize the cap (he can't even spend it properly) and more time hiring people to run his football team. The Pats/Colts are wizards. The Skins are a train wreck.
 
bojanglingus said:
As a Redskins fan, I am more upset about the draft pick compensation we would have to give up then the salary cap. We need young cheap depth on both lines and you don't get that by giving away multiple day 1 picks.
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I would prepare to be upset each offseason as long as Snyder's running the show if I were you, I figured most Skins fans would be used to this by now and just accept it.
 
dgreen said:
Phurfur said:
I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.
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When?
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Most likley never. The owners are looking to opt out of the labor contract this year and that will mean the salary cap goes away in 2010. I am sure Washington will defer as much current cap space to 2010 and beyond. The large revenue teams will soon dominate the NFL landscape (like MLB)-
 
fatness said:
They'll restructure enough contracts to get under the cap enough to go after some free agents. They do every year.
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And it never works out they way Snyder thinks it will. This team is the case study for how to pay out a ton of $ and never accomplish anything.
 
dgreen said:
FantasyTrader said:
dgreen said:
Phurfur said:
I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.
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When?
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The 9er's could probably tell you.
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If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.
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Maybe it won't. Maybe the Skins have structured things in such a way that it will never catch up to them. I'm just saying the 9er's could tell you how it happens.
 
As a Bengal fan I must say I'm intrigued since clearly Snyder is stupid enough to give us enough to make it worth the potential $8m cap hit. That said, seems more like Rosenhaus stirring up shtuff. Most telling line of the article: "Johnson is eager to land a hefty new contract from Washington". Read that as Rosenhaus is, being that he has yet to do a contract with Chad.

-QG

 
Drew Rosenhaus is a complete c0ckmunch. All teams should ban him in anyway possible and ignore players that have him as an agent.

 
FavreCo said:
fatness said:
They'll restructure enough contracts to get under the cap enough to go after some free agents. They do every year.
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And it never works out they way Snyder thinks it will. This team is the case study for how to pay out a ton of $ and never accomplish anything.
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Again, that has nothing to do with cap management. They're geniuses at it.There are times I wished they weren't as good as they are because it might force them to build more the way I would like, emphasizing the draft and UDFA's, with trades and veteran FA signings only conservatively sprinkled in.
 
redman said:
FavreCo said:
fatness said:
They'll restructure enough contracts to get under the cap enough to go after some free agents. They do every year.
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And it never works out they way Snyder thinks it will. This team is the case study for how to pay out a ton of $ and never accomplish anything.
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Again, that has nothing to do with cap management. They're geniuses at it.There are times I wished they weren't as good as they are because it might force them to build more the way I would like, emphasizing the draft and UDFA's, with trades and veteran FA signings only conservatively sprinkled in.
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:goodposting: x2I think for all the praise a few other organizations get for not spending money (I.E. NE & PHI), the 'Skins are really the one's that should get the kudos. As in this thread, many say it's going to catch up to them...they are going to be in cap hell and such, but one of the best posts was a simple.... WHEN? If it's one thing they are good/genius at...cap management. People talk about wasted money, but why is that an issue when they don't seem to care and it's not your money?Though, I agree 100% that if they weren't as good at cap mangement, then we'd have to be more responsible with Draft picks and what FA's we would go after.
 
redman said:
I agree. I think Johnson is a great WR to have, but we need one complete draft where we are shoring up our lines. All it would take is one good draft and we could do it. Sign a cheaper FA WR like Hackett or Bryant Johnson, and be done with it.
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You've gotten to the heart of the matter here, Redman. The Skins need to stop trading away 75% of every draft for vets and put together one solid draft. Something that really isn't stressed enough in the Giant's SB run is all the production they got from their 2007 draft class. Not only did it help them win a championship in their rookie year, it will likely ensure they are a competitive team for the next 4-5 seasons.Snyder needs to realize that his philosophy of trading picks for vets is not how you win championships.

 
dgreen said:
FantasyTrader said:
dgreen said:
Phurfur said:
I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.
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When?
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The 9er's could probably tell you.
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If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.
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Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap. Now if they were winning Super Bowls I might agree with you but right now they suck with no cap room. Check out where this team is as far as projected salary cap room goes.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Yeah, we're all impressed.

 
Phurfur said:
dgreen said:
FantasyTrader said:
dgreen said:
Phurfur said:
I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.
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When?
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The 9er's could probably tell you.
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If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.
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Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap.
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They have to restructure? No, they want to restructure. That's their whole plan. They do it every year. It hasn't caused a cap problem. They've already cut about $8M off next year's cap and will easily cut another $9M by restructuring a Cooley bonus. Portis, among a few others, will also restructure (as was the plan all along) and they still have players to cut like Brunell, Lloyd, and maybe Wade, many of which will create cap room.That's their plan and, cap-wise, it works. They do it every year and they tend to spend a lot every other year while being a little more conservative in the year's in between.

 
Phurfur said:
dgreen said:
FantasyTrader said:
dgreen said:
Phurfur said:
I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.
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When?
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The 9er's could probably tell you.
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If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.
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Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap. Now if they were winning Super Bowls I might agree with you but right now they suck with no cap room. Check out where this team is as far as projected salary cap room goes.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Yeah, we're all impressed.
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Yep, that's what's said every off-season...but for some reason they keep signing guys EVERY off-season. For one, the link is incorrect and outdated... They restructure many contracts and set them up that way because the Redskins are one of the MOST profitable franchises in SPORTS. Not just NFL, but in sports so that leaves Danny with a lot of disposable cash. Thus, he pays the players immediately with bonuses. It works for him and he surely appears to be fine with "wasting" his money.I'd say it's a lot easier to not spend any money, than to really manage it.

 
helix said:
dgreen said:
Phurfur said:
I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.
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When?
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Most likley never. The owners are looking to opt out of the labor contract this year and that will mean the salary cap goes away in 2010. I am sure Washington will defer as much current cap space to 2010 and beyond. The large revenue teams will soon dominate the NFL landscape (like MLB)-
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Why are you so sure this will happen?
 
Chad is the perfect fit for the Redskins. He's a high profile player who will put butts in the seats and can be shut down by opposing defenses.

 
Frank Fontaine said:
Chad is the perfect fit for the Redskins. He's a high profile player who will put butts in the seats and can be shut down by opposing defenses.
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If by shutting down Chad, that opens up things for Moss, Portis & Cooley, I doubt many of the "butts in the seats" will mind. :unsure:
 
Phurfur said:
helix said:
dgreen said:
Phurfur said:
I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.
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When?
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Most likley never. The owners are looking to opt out of the labor contract this year and that will mean the salary cap goes away in 2010. I am sure Washington will defer as much current cap space to 2010 and beyond. The large revenue teams will soon dominate the NFL landscape (like MLB)-
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Why are you so sure this will happen?
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Because it is in the contract...According to Daniel Kaplan of Sports Business Journal, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones believes that enough of his 31 colleagues will vote to opt out of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players union in November 2008. In November, either party to the deal may give the other side notice of an intention to end the contract two years early. The deal currently runs through 2012; opting out would trigger expiration after the 2010 season. But while Armageddon is still roughly three years away, the mess would initially unfold on the first day of the 2009 league year, given the accounting rules that apply in the final year before an uncapped season.

 
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