Skins want Chad (1 Viewer)

[Tecmo]

In defense of Dan Synder , he is an excellent buisnessman, that team is worth more than the state of Maryland. He gives the fans something to talk about every year. But he gets an F in football operations with his careless spending. CJ isn't going to put this team over, they desperately need lineman on both sides and you fill that need best with first day picks.

Washington fans should boo this trade talk as Synder actually listens to the rumblings

 

[Phurfur]

I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.

When?

Most likley never. The owners are looking to opt out of the labor contract this year and that will mean the salary cap goes away in 2010. I am sure Washington will defer as much current cap space to 2010 and beyond. The large revenue teams will soon dominate the NFL landscape (like MLB)-

Why are you so sure this will happen?

Because it is in the contract...According to Daniel Kaplan of Sports Business Journal, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones believes that enough of his 31 colleagues will vote to opt out of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players union in November 2008. In November, either party to the deal may give the other side notice of an intention to end the contract two years early. The deal currently runs through 2012; opting out would trigger expiration after the 2010 season. But while Armageddon is still roughly three years away, the mess would initially unfold on the first day of the 2009 league year, given the accounting rules that apply in the final year before an uncapped season.

So the player's union and NFL management will play without a contract? I was under the impression that the reason the owners wanted out was because the players were getting too big of a piece of the pie. No salary cap would not help this.

 

[notdarkyet]

If the skins want to give up a 1 and a 3 for CJ, Ill help him pack.

 

[fatness]

A Redskins source downplayed rumors about the team's interest in trading for unhappy Cincinnati Bengals wideout Chad Johnson, though he didn't totally rule out the possibility.

David Elfin, Washington Times

 

[Sinn Fein]

Chad is the perfect fit for the Redskins. He's a high profile player who will put butts in the seats and can be shut down by opposing defenses.

Yeah, because the Redskins have such a tough time selling out every game

 

[thayman]

I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.

When?

The 9er's could probably tell you.

If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.

Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap. Now if they were winning Super Bowls I might agree with you but right now they suck with no cap room. Check out where this team is as far as projected salary cap room goes.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Yeah, we're all impressed.

It's not a "have to" it's a "get to" the players love it. When a player has a backloaded contract where the bulk of the value is in the backend how often do they see it? With the Skins they see it every time by restructuring, and taking the signing bonus. You can critize quite a bit about the Redskins, but they have no equal when it comes to managing the cap.

 

[thayman]

Agreed. You can criticize their player evaluation and acquisition strategy all day long, but the one area in which they are probably more skilled than any team in the NFL at managing the cap. They're wizards when it comes to that, and it's because they utilized the team's competitive advantage: cash. They have enough disposable cash on hand to pay out guaranteed bonuses up front that are cap friendly and reduce the team's salary cap profile. It ends up meaning as a practical matter that they have what amounts to a $20M+ higher cap than other teams do.

They're good at spending money? Congrats.Too bad they aren't wizards ata) hiring a head coachb) draftingc) building a teamd) blockinge) tacklingThey're lucky they play in the NFC. If they were in the AFC they'd be a 4-12 team most years. Even spending more then everyone else, in the NFC, they're 30-34 the last 4 years with a HOF head coach.Danny needs to spend less time figuring out how to maximize the cap (he can't even spend it properly) and more time hiring people to run his football team. The Pats/Colts are wizards. The Skins are a train wreck.

Like redman says above, you can't critize their cap management. As far as your points go, I don't care how long it took them to hire a head coach, or how it looks in the media. If Zorn is the right guy for the job I'm pleased as punch, however, we will have to wait to see what he does. They are not bad at drafting, they just trade away all the draft picks, which lends to your other point of building a team. They have been in the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years so long as Zorn keeps the team going in a positive direction they are fine. Blocking and tackling they have been a a good defensive and rushing team the past few years so I'm not sure where you are getting that from.As far as being in the AFC, they are in the NFC East, that's the division where the 13-3 Cowboys were this year, and the World Champion New York Giants are. Oh and they beat each of those teams this year. Oh and the NFC East sent 3 teams to the playoffs the past two years.

 

[yellowdog]

If the skins want to give up a 1 and a 3 for CJ, Ill help him pack.

fixed

 

[Drew RosenhausFan]

Drew Rosenhaus is a complete c0ckmunch. All teams should ban him in anyway possible and ignore players that have him as an agent.

reported

 

[Bizkiteer]

Agreed. You can criticize their player evaluation and acquisition strategy all day long, but the one area in which they are probably more skilled than any team in the NFL at managing the cap. They're wizards when it comes to that, and it's because they utilized the team's competitive advantage: cash. They have enough disposable cash on hand to pay out guaranteed bonuses up front that are cap friendly and reduce the team's salary cap profile. It ends up meaning as a practical matter that they have what amounts to a $20M+ higher cap than other teams do.

They're good at spending money? Congrats.Too bad they aren't wizards ata) hiring a head coachb) draftingc) building a teamd) blockinge) tacklingThey're lucky they play in the NFC. If they were in the AFC they'd be a 4-12 team most years. Even spending more then everyone else, in the NFC, they're 30-34 the last 4 years with a HOF head coach.Danny needs to spend less time figuring out how to maximize the cap (he can't even spend it properly) and more time hiring people to run his football team. The Pats/Colts are wizards. The Skins are a train wreck.

Like redman says above, you can't critize their cap management. As far as your points go, I don't care how long it took them to hire a head coach, or how it looks in the media. If Zorn is the right guy for the job I'm pleased as punch, however, we will have to wait to see what he does. They are not bad at drafting, they just trade away all the draft picks, which lends to your other point of building a team. They have been in the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years so long as Zorn keeps the team going in a positive direction they are fine. Blocking and tackling they have been a a good defensive and rushing team the past few years so I'm not sure where you are getting that from.As far as being in the AFC, they are in the NFC East, that's the division where the 13-3 Cowboys were this year, and the World Champion New York Giants are. Oh and they beat each of those teams this year. Oh and the NFC East sent 3 teams to the playoffs the past two years.

Is that the same NFC East where there wasn't one team that had a losing record? I'll throw out the tidbit that they did a great job at getting undrafted player such as Heyer to contribute as part-time starter (due to injury).

 

[Phurfur]

I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.

When?

The 9er's could probably tell you.

If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.

Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap. Now if they were winning Super Bowls I might agree with you but right now they suck with no cap room. Check out where this team is as far as projected salary cap room goes.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Yeah, we're all impressed.

It's not a "have to" it's a "get to" the players love it. When a player has a backloaded contract where the bulk of the value is in the backend how often do they see it? With the Skins they see it every time by restructuring, and taking the signing bonus. You can critize quite a bit about the Redskins, but they have no equal when it comes to managing the cap.

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Agreed. You can criticize their player evaluation and acquisition strategy all day long, but the one area in which they are probably more skilled than any team in the NFL at managing the cap. They're wizards when it comes to that, and it's because they utilized the team's competitive advantage: cash. They have enough disposable cash on hand to pay out guaranteed bonuses up front that are cap friendly and reduce the team's salary cap profile. It ends up meaning as a practical matter that they have what amounts to a $20M+ higher cap than other teams do.

They're good at spending money? Congrats.Too bad they aren't wizards at

a) hiring a head coach

b) drafting

c) building a team

d) blocking

e) tackling

They're lucky they play in the NFC. If they were in the AFC they'd be a 4-12 team most years. Even spending more then everyone else, in the NFC, they're 30-34 the last 4 years with a HOF head coach.

Danny needs to spend less time figuring out how to maximize the cap (he can't even spend it properly) and more time hiring people to run his football team. The Pats/Colts are wizards. The Skins are a train wreck.

LOLOLOLOLOL. The Redskins played in the toughest division in football and played NE, GB, and Min(at the end of the year when they were playing well) out of division.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.

When?

The 9er's could probably tell you.

If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.

Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap. Now if they were winning Super Bowls I might agree with you but right now they suck with no cap room. Check out where this team is as far as projected salary cap room goes.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Yeah, we're all impressed.

It's not a "have to" it's a "get to" the players love it. When a player has a backloaded contract where the bulk of the value is in the backend how often do they see it? With the Skins they see it every time by restructuring, and taking the signing bonus. You can critize quite a bit about the Redskins, but they have no equal when it comes to managing the cap.

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

Yep, but that maxed somehow still allows them to add top FA players each year. So, is that maxed out really maxed out?

 

[redman]

I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.

When?

The 9er's could probably tell you.

If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.

Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap. Now if they were winning Super Bowls I might agree with you but right now they suck with no cap room. Check out where this team is as far as projected salary cap room goes.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Yeah, we're all impressed.

It's not a "have to" it's a "get to" the players love it. When a player has a backloaded contract where the bulk of the value is in the backend how often do they see it? With the Skins they see it every time by restructuring, and taking the signing bonus. You can critize quite a bit about the Redskins, but they have no equal when it comes to managing the cap.

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

And our point is that their cap situation has nothing to do with any lack of success they have.

 

[Dodge]

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

And our point is that their cap situation has nothing to do with any lack of success they have.

Sure it does. Football success, most of the time, comes with consistency at all positions and building through the draft. Look at the recent Superbowl Winners for an answer. Lack of cap space and all forces them to cut players all the time. Starters are one thing, but depth, special teams, defensive front rotations all come from 2nd and 3rd stringers which is very very important.But let me make this more clear for everyone, there's only one word that matters:

CONSISTENCY

 

[thayman]

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

And our point is that their cap situation has nothing to do with any lack of success they have.

Sure it does. Football success, most of the time, comes with consistency at all positions and building through the draft. Look at the recent Superbowl Winners for an answer. Lack of cap space and all forces them to cut players all the time. Starters are one thing, but depth, special teams, defensive front rotations all come from 2nd and 3rd stringers which is very very important.But let me make this more clear for everyone, there's only one word that matters:

CONSISTENCY

Name one Washington Redskin that has been cut due to cap space.

 

[Dodge]

I'm not going to bother looking it up, how many FA's you signed to outrageous prices only for them to be traded/waived/cut years later.

Can you honestly tell me your team has been anything close to consistent since the debut of Mr. Synder?

 

[thayman]

I'm not going to bother looking it up, how many FA's you signed to outrageous prices only for them to be traded/waived/cut years later.Can you honestly tell me your team has been anything close to consistent since the debut of Mr. Synder?

oh it has been far from consistent. But their lack of consistent has nothing to do with the cap situation. The answer to my question is 0. No Redskins get cut due to the salary cap.

 

[redman]

I'm not going to bother looking it up, how many FA's you signed to outrageous prices only for them to be traded/waived/cut years later.

Can you honestly tell me your team has been anything close to consistent since the debut of Mr. Synder?

Translation: I'm full of it and I know it, but I just want to lob stuff in this direction.

 

[Phurfur]

I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.

When?

The 9er's could probably tell you.

If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.

Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap. Now if they were winning Super Bowls I might agree with you but right now they suck with no cap room. Check out where this team is as far as projected salary cap room goes.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Yeah, we're all impressed.

It's not a "have to" it's a "get to" the players love it. When a player has a backloaded contract where the bulk of the value is in the backend how often do they see it? With the Skins they see it every time by restructuring, and taking the signing bonus. You can critize quite a bit about the Redskins, but they have no equal when it comes to managing the cap.

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

Yep, but that maxed somehow still allows them to add top FA players each year. So, is that maxed out really maxed out?

I guess you haven't heard of "dead money" but it does come back to get you. I question if the free agents they add are "top" but in the end they are only the 3rd best team in their own division.

 

[Dodge]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

 

[dgreen]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

 

[redman]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

You being ill informed and wrong doesn't make me delusional. HTH.

 

[Phurfur]

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

And our point is that their cap situation has nothing to do with any lack of success they have.

Sure it does. Football success, most of the time, comes with consistency at all positions and building through the draft. Look at the recent Superbowl Winners for an answer. Lack of cap space and all forces them to cut players all the time. Starters are one thing, but depth, special teams, defensive front rotations all come from 2nd and 3rd stringers which is very very important.But let me make this more clear for everyone, there's only one word that matters:

CONSISTENCY

Name one Washington Redskin that has been cut due to cap space.

Bingo! That is the point, they can't cut them due to the cap hit they would take.

 

[Dodge]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

Well when most experts consider that the Redskins have the worst cap management in the league and people in this thread are saying that they are the best? Nah I'll go away now not going to bother.

 

[dgreen]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

Well when most experts consider that the Redskins have the worst cap management in the league and people in this thread are saying that they are the best? Nah I'll go away now not going to bother.

Link to most experts considering the Redskins the worst?And, please define "good cap management".

 

[pillowpants]

Jerry Jones is such a scumbag. Abolishing the Salary cap in the NFL will ruin the game.

 

[redman]

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

And our point is that their cap situation has nothing to do with any lack of success they have.

Sure it does. Football success, most of the time, comes with consistency at all positions and building through the draft. Look at the recent Superbowl Winners for an answer. Lack of cap space and all forces them to cut players all the time. Starters are one thing, but depth, special teams, defensive front rotations all come from 2nd and 3rd stringers which is very very important.But let me make this more clear for everyone, there's only one word that matters:

CONSISTENCY

Name one Washington Redskin that has been cut due to cap space.

Bingo! That is the point, they can't cut them due to the cap hit they would take.

The irony of this comment is that the word "consistency" has been highlighted in this thread. Why? Because while Dodge is arging that "cap hell" means that the Redskins have to rid themselves of expensive players every year to stay under the cap, you're arguing that the Redskins can't rid themselves of players because the cap hits would be too large. Consistency indeed. You're both wrong, but at least get the story straight before you try seeing whether it will stick to the wall when you throw it up there.

 

[Phurfur]

Jerry Jones is such a scumbag. Abolishing the Salary cap in the NFL will ruin the game.

Of course it will but JJ doesn't care about the game.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

You being ill informed and wrong doesn't make me delusional. HTH.

If you want to argue that the Redskins make poor personnel decisions by letting "core" guys go and bringing in high priced FA's then fine. But they are THE best at avoiding cap issues. (So far)

 

[Phurfur]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

Well when most experts consider that the Redskins have the worst cap management in the league and people in this thread are saying that they are the best? Nah I'll go away now not going to bother.

I'm right behind you, some people don't get it.

 

[dgreen]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

Well when most experts consider that the Redskins have the worst cap management in the league and people in this thread are saying that they are the best? Nah I'll go away now not going to bother.

I'm right behind you, some people don't get it.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm not sure I get this but deferring money will catch up with you.

When?

The 9er's could probably tell you.

If that's the case, then the Redskins should have already reached that point. But they haven't. Odd.

Yes they have and they have to restructure every year just to get under the cap. Now if they were winning Super Bowls I might agree with you but right now they suck with no cap room. Check out where this team is as far as projected salary cap room goes.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Yeah, we're all impressed.

It's not a "have to" it's a "get to" the players love it. When a player has a backloaded contract where the bulk of the value is in the backend how often do they see it? With the Skins they see it every time by restructuring, and taking the signing bonus. You can critize quite a bit about the Redskins, but they have no equal when it comes to managing the cap.

I guess my point is they are maxed out on the cap for years to come and are not close to being a SB team. If that works for you fine, I'm not a Skins fan so I don't care.

Yep, but that maxed somehow still allows them to add top FA players each year. So, is that maxed out really maxed out?

I guess you haven't heard of "dead money" but it does come back to get you. I question if the free agents they add are "top" but in the end they are only the 3rd best team in their own division.

Yep, that dead money hurting them so bad that they still find room to get FA's every year too. Basically, you are re-enforcing that they are managing the cap very well. You as many who like to jump on what the media wants to think, keep saying the same thing each. Though saying that they have do things (restructure) to make it work, doesn't mean they are bad at managing the cap. It's actually the opposite, the set up contract with it all in mind.I'll give you this, the Redskins are terrible in saving money. There are plenty of other franchises in the league that only save money and don't put it back on the field. Why people get upset that Daniel Snyder decides to supposedly waste his money is beyond me. If it doesn't bother him, why you? Then again, when you are one of the profitable sports franchises in the world...he must be doing something right, huh?

 

[yellowdog]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

 

[redman]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]I'll take your answers off the air.

I believe that that's what the Redskins fans in this thread (like me, for one) have been saying.

 

[Das Boot]

Chad's not happy that there's not enough Chad in this thread.

 

[thayman]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

 

[Bizkiteer]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

Uhhh, I had the picture of a two monkeys trying to put a square peg in a circular hole, but I guess others thought otherwise.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Chad's not happy that there's not enough Chad in this thread.

LOL, very appropriate...then again, he doesn't want to be a distraction, right?

 

[Phurfur]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

 

[dgreen]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

Well when most experts consider that the Redskins have the worst cap management in the league and people in this thread are saying that they are the best? Nah I'll go away now not going to bother.

I'm right behind you, some people don't get it.

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

 

[Phurfur]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

Well when most experts consider that the Redskins have the worst cap management in the league and people in this thread are saying that they are the best? Nah I'll go away now not going to bother.

I'm right behind you, some people don't get it.

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

"You can't handle the truth" Jessep: A Few Good Men

 

[thayman]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

The Tiatans and 49ers of a few years ago would disagree with you.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

Well when most experts consider that the Redskins have the worst cap management in the league and people in this thread are saying that they are the best? Nah I'll go away now not going to bother.

I'm right behind you, some people don't get it.

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

Lair liar...pants are on fire!

 

[Phurfur]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

The Tiatans and 49ers of a few years ago would disagree with you.

Most teams will have problems occasionally but they recover, Washington goes through this every year and will for years to come.

 

[thayman]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

The Tiatans and 49ers of a few years ago would disagree with you.

Most teams will have problems occasionally but they recover, Washington goes through this every year and will for years to come.

You are not listening. Washington never has any problems. Not to the extent that everyone keeps saying they will, they never have to cut anyone, they are never restricted in who they want to sign, they are never restricted in redoing contracts. Anyone that argues different is not informed on the subject. If Washington is "going through it every year" as you say above how is it that they always sign whatever freeagents they want?

 

[Phurfur]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

The Tiatans and 49ers of a few years ago would disagree with you.

Most teams will have problems occasionally but they recover, Washington goes through this every year and will for years to come.

You are not listening. Washington never has any problems. Not to the extent that everyone keeps saying they will, they never have to cut anyone, they are never restricted in who they want to sign, they are never restricted in redoing contracts. Anyone that argues different is not informed on the subject. If Washington is "going through it every year" as you say above how is it that they always sign whatever freeagents they want?

 

[thayman]

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

The Tiatans and 49ers of a few years ago would disagree with you.

Most teams will have problems occasionally but they recover, Washington goes through this every year and will for years to come.

You are not listening. Washington never has any problems. Not to the extent that everyone keeps saying they will, they never have to cut anyone, they are never restricted in who they want to sign, they are never restricted in redoing contracts. Anyone that argues different is not informed on the subject. If Washington is "going through it every year" as you say above how is it that they always sign whatever freeagents they want?

as well, if you won't listen to anyone that's fine. Neither you nor Dodge can tell anyone one player that has ever been cut due to his cap issues.

 

[buster c]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

Well when most experts consider that the Redskins have the worst cap management in the league and people in this thread are saying that they are the best? Nah I'll go away now not going to bother.

I'm right behind you, some people don't get it.

[mediator] Would it be fair to say the Redskins are masters of "manipulating" the cap, but not necessarily getting the bang for the buck? [/mediator]

I'll take your answers off the air.

That's all anyone is saying. The "cap hell" is something Skins fans hear every year. It never comes, I'm sure pretty much every Redskin fan will tell you that Snyder and Cerrato's decision making is like watching two monkyes hump a coconut, but they can move money around like no one else can.

They are the only ones that have to, no one else is in the mess they are in year after year.

"You can't handle the truth" Jessep: A Few Good Men

gee, thanks for providing the movie reference. probably nobody knew that.

 

[KoolKat]

I guess it's hard to argue with dillusional Redskins fans.

It's easier when you back up your arguments with facts and logic.

It is hard to argue when you are not asking yourself, "Why is my position right?" and finding premises that lead to your conclusion. Instead, you are assuming you are right and presenting straw-man arguments that have no basis in facts or logic. Furthermore, you are too stubborn to admit that your opinion is wrong when presented with several facts that discredit you.