Chase Stuart
Footballguy
The last three weeks of the season my QB rating was over 100. I'm really young, I'm really talented and people think I stink. I led my team to a 2-1 record despite not playing any team with a losing record. Who am I?
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
JaMarcus Russell.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Vikings' fan here that didn't want him replaced either, but it looks as though it was the right decision.One thing I don't like was how he tried to throw the ball away twice yesterday as he was going to the ground...just take the sack.I agree but then again I waswhen they replaced him so early with Gus Frerotte.
Black
Footballguy
ditto.
Not sure about their passer ratings but I think that Jackson and Russell both qualify on all of the other criteria. Depends on whether you think Jackson at 25 is really young.
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Both qualify on passer rating, being 2-1 against all teams with a non-losing record, people thinking they stink. The question for Jackson is whether he meets the claim that he is really young and really talented. I think most people would agree that Russell meets those criteria.
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Both qualify on passer rating, being 2-1 against all teams with a non-losing record, people thinking they stink. The question for Jackson is whether he meets the claim that he is really young and really talented. I think most people would agree that Russell meets those criteria.
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Avery
Footballguy
Vikings' fan here that didn't want him replaced either, but it looks as though it was the right decision.One thing I don't like was how he tried to throw the ball away twice yesterday as he was going to the ground...just take the sack.I agree but then again I waswhen they replaced him so early with Gus Frerotte.
It's not a good thing to throw the ball away to avoid a sack?
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Russell's the answer. Jackson's over two years older than Russell, doesn't have as much talent, and the Lions are certainly a losing team.
Russell had a 103 QB Rating the past two weeks, lost to NE and helped Oakland beat Houston and Tampa Bay. There are lots of reasons to be optimistic if you're a Raiders fan; Russell won't turn 24 years old until training camp next year. He's so young with so much potential that you have to get excited over his performance in December. His rookie year was a waste but who knows what '09 and especially '10 will look like.
Russell looked so lost and so bad early in the year that it's refreshing to see this sort of progress.
Russell had a 103 QB Rating the past two weeks, lost to NE and helped Oakland beat Houston and Tampa Bay. There are lots of reasons to be optimistic if you're a Raiders fan; Russell won't turn 24 years old until training camp next year. He's so young with so much potential that you have to get excited over his performance in December. His rookie year was a waste but who knows what '09 and especially '10 will look like.
Russell looked so lost and so bad early in the year that it's refreshing to see this sort of progress.
He threw the ball away without regard to where it was going, the kind of desperation a throwaways that often turn into INTs, if not pick sixesVikings' fan here that didn't want him replaced either, but it looks as though it was the right decision.One thing I don't like was how he tried to throw the ball away twice yesterday as he was going to the ground...just take the sack.I agree but then again I waswhen they replaced him so early with Gus Frerotte.
Banger
Footballguy
you'll certainly be able to snag him at probably the 25th QB off the board I'd imagine. They need to get some WR talent.
Avery
Footballguy
I see what you're saying.There are "good throwaways" and "bad throwaways". The good ones go to where no one is, preferable out of the field of play.He threw the ball away without regard to where it was going, the kind of desperation a throwaways that often turn into INTs, if not pick sixesVikings' fan here that didn't want him replaced either, but it looks as though it was the right decision.One thing I don't like was how he tried to throw the ball away twice yesterday as he was going to the ground...just take the sack.I agree but then again I was
wadegarrett
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I can only think of 3 guys that had over 100 QB ratings over the final 3 weeks: Manning, Cassel and Pennington. But they all went 3-0.So I have no idea who you're talking about.
The bolded is true but irrelevant. Over the last three weeks of the season Jackson played:Arizona (9-7) W
Atlanta (11-5) L
NY Giants (12-4) W
His QB rating in those three games is 111
To some of us 25 is really young.
You have proven the point that people certainly think he stinks.
He was a second round draft pick and his team is in the playoffs largely due to his play down the stretch. I think that qualifies as talent.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Oops, you're right, I was off by a week.Jackson qualifies, too. I don't mean to take any shots at Jackson (I labeled him a sleeper this season) but Russell was the guy I was thinking of. He's younger and more talented, and I'm hoping he becomes someone fun to watch.
bigmiiiiike
Footballguy
Mel Kiper, Jr. has the Raiders taking Crabtree at #7. I know it's probably to early to take that projection to the bank, but as a Russell owner in a dynasty league, this has me very excited.
puckalicious
Footballguy
I have Russell, and am currently scheming for ways to land a top draft pick to get Crabtree (currently have 11th pick overall). If he's on OAK it will be fun to have both!doubletrouble
Footballguy
Josh Johnson (TB).....
Avery
Footballguy
I know it's early and I'm no college football/draft guru, but I don't see Seattle passing on Crabtree at 4.I have Russell, and am currently scheming for ways to land a top draft pick to get Crabtree (currently have 11th pick overall). If he's on OAK it will be fun to have both!
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
I would go with the potential upside of Russell over the known commodity in Jackson.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
I actually liked Jackson at the beginning of the season (prior to his injury) especially after Minnesota signed Berrian. Obviously as long as the Vikings have Peterson the QBs probably won't put up top 10 fantasy points but I think Jackson could consistently put up respectable numbers like 200 yards and 2 TDs.
TidesofWar
Footballguy
The presence of ADP should only help the numbers of a QB like TJ
Interested on what people think of this guy next year and beyond. I have him in my keeper league. What is the QB situation going to be in TB next year. I remember seeing a clip where Cecil Lammy was pretty high on this guy.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Before you are being dragged to the ground? Yes.While you are being dragged to the ground (and by definition not in full control of your throwing motion)? No. Bad things that lose games can more easily happen then.Vikings' fan here that didn't want him replaced either, but it looks as though it was the right decision.One thing I don't like was how he tried to throw the ball away twice yesterday as he was going to the ground...just take the sack.I agree but then again I wasIt's not a good thing to throw the ball away to avoid a sack?
ETA: Sorry, somone beat me to the punch.
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massraider
Footballguy
No one pimped Russell to Oakland more than me, and I think he can be a Pro Bowler.
But he need stability, and a WR he can trust. Stability in Oakland is hard to imagine. Keeping Cable as coach is my preference this year, because it ensures the zone blocking system stays in place, and some semblance of continuity is maintained. Cable called a decent game when he took over the play calling, and the line improved as the year went on. their tackles are a concern, Mario Henderson had some nice games to finish the year at LT, but he is still raw. Cornell Green needs to be replaced at RT. The zone blocking system has been a godsend there, and if they go back to a traditional drive blocking system, their tackles will be exposed.
The WR question is troubling. Chaz Schillens and Johnnie Lee Higgins showed something late, but are very young, and Higgins' upside is a #3 slot guy. Schillens has skills, but is unproven. Russell's troubles this year came when he stared down Zach Miller, but he can hardly be blamed for that, because he had no one else. McFadden wasn't on the field much, Fargas can't catch, Ron Curry dropped everything in sight, Javon was a bust, there was no one left. Hard to imagine a big ticket WR coming to Oakland, so any production will have to come from the draft, or they will have to catch lightning in a bottle in free agency. Maybe a Bryant Johnson or a Bobby Engram, that level of pickup.
The best shot they have at JaMarcus being successful next year is a SD-type passing game from years past, with the TE and RB leading the team in receiving. Miller and McFadden should be the leading receivers next year. I am not impressed by DMC's running abilities, but he can be a stud in the passing game.
The major needs on offense are upgrading OT and WR. Should be able to fill in one of those spots at #7 in the draft, but who's to say that player (Crabtree/Oher/Smith/Smith/Maclin) represents enough of an upgrade in 2009 to help JRock?
If they keep Cable, and get at least one vet in free agency to help on offense, I will feel a bit better about his chances.
But he need stability, and a WR he can trust. Stability in Oakland is hard to imagine. Keeping Cable as coach is my preference this year, because it ensures the zone blocking system stays in place, and some semblance of continuity is maintained. Cable called a decent game when he took over the play calling, and the line improved as the year went on. their tackles are a concern, Mario Henderson had some nice games to finish the year at LT, but he is still raw. Cornell Green needs to be replaced at RT. The zone blocking system has been a godsend there, and if they go back to a traditional drive blocking system, their tackles will be exposed.
The WR question is troubling. Chaz Schillens and Johnnie Lee Higgins showed something late, but are very young, and Higgins' upside is a #3 slot guy. Schillens has skills, but is unproven. Russell's troubles this year came when he stared down Zach Miller, but he can hardly be blamed for that, because he had no one else. McFadden wasn't on the field much, Fargas can't catch, Ron Curry dropped everything in sight, Javon was a bust, there was no one left. Hard to imagine a big ticket WR coming to Oakland, so any production will have to come from the draft, or they will have to catch lightning in a bottle in free agency. Maybe a Bryant Johnson or a Bobby Engram, that level of pickup.
The best shot they have at JaMarcus being successful next year is a SD-type passing game from years past, with the TE and RB leading the team in receiving. Miller and McFadden should be the leading receivers next year. I am not impressed by DMC's running abilities, but he can be a stud in the passing game.
The major needs on offense are upgrading OT and WR. Should be able to fill in one of those spots at #7 in the draft, but who's to say that player (Crabtree/Oher/Smith/Smith/Maclin) represents enough of an upgrade in 2009 to help JRock?
If they keep Cable, and get at least one vet in free agency to help on offense, I will feel a bit better about his chances.
I don't think Jackson is a known commodity. He was a 2nd round pick from a small school. He should have sat and learned to play behind a vet (see the Steve McNair model). He's still raw. For fantasy purposes, I like his running ability. And I think it suits him to be able to throw up a long bomb now and then when there is 9 in the box. Look at what Ferrotte put up. And he's a journeyman. I think Jackson has good potential.And I am a Russell skeptic, so I like Jackson's potential above Russell's. I think he's a big-armed QB with not very good instincts, accuracy, or mechanics. He may learn, so there is upside potential given his amazing physical talents. But I'd bet on Jackson over Russell.It's an interesting debate worth having (late in your draft or auction). I think Jackson may come cheaper because of the early flame out this season. Russell will be over-hyped because he's a #1 pick and the new coach will pimp him.
I agree with you 100% but I think they will always be a run first team, especially with their current coaching staff that is why I think he will get better and put up respectable numbers. If he averaged in the neighborhood of the numbers I put above he would be in the top 5 in TDs (lots of play action around the goal line) and be around 10-15 yardage wise. I think this is his ceiling when he matures which I just realized while I was typing this would put him in the 6-10 QB range for fantasy value. If Peterson were not in Minnesota I don't think he would come close to sniffing the top 10. I think he might be a year or two away from reaching this potential but there are things I have seen in Jackson that have really impressed me after initially thinking he was going to be a complete dud.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
He would also throw more TD's if they put Sidney Rice in the red zone package more often. I think they try to get defenses to focus on the run and do play action, but Rice is so good at bringing down the jump ball that I think they should use him more in the red zone.
