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Small RB's: Pead, James and Hillman (1 Viewer)

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All three of these guys are about the same height (5-8 to 5-10), weight (<200 lbs.) and 4.4 speed.

Pead (Rams) - likely backing up SJax for at least this year.

James (49ers) - competing with Gore/Hunter for PT.

Hillman (Broncos) - probably in the best spot with McGahee turning 31.

 
Hillman

Pead

James

In that order. With these backs its too hard to say who has more talent. You have to rank them off situation.

 
I'd go:

Hillman/Pead

James

Really like both Hillman and Pead. I kinda like James but I'm not quite convinced he'll get enough touches.

 
HillmanPeadJamesIn that order. With these backs its too hard to say who has more talent. You have to rank them off situation.
This is how I see it:PeadHillmanJamesI think Pead is the most talented of the three, but Hillman went to the best situation. Talent-wise, James is not as good as Pead and Hillman and also went to the worst situation. James could end up the 'starter' but it looks like he'll be splitting time with Hunter for awhile.
 
The thing to consider with Hillman is that Fox previously has been very reluctant to start young RBs over veterans.

Perhaps he's turning over a new leaf in Denver. We'll see

 
how good is Hillman's blocking....that may be a key to his playing time....competing with McGahee, Ball, Fanin, Moreno....and fwiw, i wouldn't be surprised to see Addai brought in very soon now that the draft is over....he may be the best blocking RB in the game....it makes too much sense with Manning on board....

 
Pead is in his own RB tier for me. Martin/Wilson - Pead - Miller/Hillman/James.

 
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Elway: Hillman brings Sproles-like threat to Broncos

By Marc Sessler NFL.com

Writer

The Denver Broncos believe they've acquired a secret weapon in the form of rookie running back Ronnie Hillman.

At first blush, Hillman isn't your typical John Fox back. He doesn't project as a bruiser between the tackles, but his ability to catch the ball -- and his blazing speed -- drew an interesting comparison Tuesday.

"To be able to have a weapon like Ronnie Hillman, he's a lot like a (Darren) Sproles," John Elway told Broncos season-ticket holders. "You can get great matchups ... (a) great change-of-pace back."

After the draft, Elway, the team's vice president of football operations, called the 5-foot-9 Hillman "electric," saying: "He's got a chance to make that big play."

When Denver traded up in the third round of the draft to grab Hillman out of San Diego State, it had everything to do with Peyton Manning. There was nobody on the roster with Hillman's ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, but he'll need to prove he can block for his quarterback.

We'll pump the brakes on comparing him to Sproles -- who was outrageous paired with Drew Brees in New Orleans -- but we expect Hillman to be used heavily in Denver's offense next season. Willis McGahee remains the starter, and Lance Ball has a place here, but Knowshon Moreno could be the odd man out barring a sensational camp.
 
All of them have the same wildcard - pass blocking. All of these teams hope they drafted their Sproles, but it's dependent on that skill being developed. Best to my knowledge none of them have any experience with it in school, so evaluating these 3 isn't much different than a dart board imho.

I feel most comfortable with LMJ because I trust what I've seen on the field, he has the most experience in this sort of role among these 3. Hillman's next. Pead's last. NFL guys think higher of his running than I do, but that's fourth in value for him behind blocking for the QB, catching the ball, and understanding routes.

 
i mentioned it in the james thread but i'll bring it here i suppose. i think pead and hillman have more #1 potential because of their frames - particularly in their trunks. james has very skinny legs and i'm skeptical he'll ever be a true #1... i see him as a change of pace only. to me, pead and hillman run with more power in their lower body and it will help them carry more of a load. james looks pretty top heavy and just looks a bit more soft when he runs but he has the vision, speed, and burst to be a great change of pace ala sproles.

 
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"To be able to have a weapon like Ronnie Hillman, he's a lot like a (Darren) Sproles," John Elway told Broncos season-ticket holders. "You can get great matchups ... (a) great change-of-pace back."
That's not very exciting from a fantasy football standpoint.
 
"To be able to have a weapon like Ronnie Hillman, he's a lot like a (Darren) Sproles," John Elway told Broncos season-ticket holders. "You can get great matchups ... (a) great change-of-pace back."
That's not very exciting from a fantasy football standpoint.
Sproles was top 5 in ppr leagues last year??? But... I think Hillman has a better shot at being a between the tackles player than a Sproles. I think his upside is pretty high.
 
"To be able to have a weapon like Ronnie Hillman, he's a lot like a (Darren) Sproles," John Elway told Broncos season-ticket holders. "You can get great matchups ... (a) great change-of-pace back."
That's not very exciting from a fantasy football standpoint.
Sproles was top 5 in ppr leagues last year??? But... I think Hillman has a better shot at being a between the tackles player than a Sproles. I think his upside is pretty high.
There have been dozens of running backs playing the "Darren Sproles" role over the years. Sproles is like the LT2 of scat-backs, yet he's mediocre at best as a fantasy player. It's never a good thing to hear that a running back was drafted to play a role where the guy who defines the upside of the position had 1 worthwhile fantasy season in his eight year career, which came while playing in the absolute perfect situation.

I actually like Hillman a lot as a player, but hearing that he was drafted to play the role of scat-back is never a good thing.

 
"To be able to have a weapon like Ronnie Hillman, he's a lot like a (Darren) Sproles," John Elway told Broncos season-ticket holders. "You can get great matchups ... (a) great change-of-pace back."
That's not very exciting from a fantasy football standpoint.
Sproles was top 5 in ppr leagues last year??? But... I think Hillman has a better shot at being a between the tackles player than a Sproles. I think his upside is pretty high.
There have been dozens of running backs playing the "Darren Sproles" role over the years. Sproles is like the LT2 of scat-backs, yet he's mediocre at best as a fantasy player. It's never a good thing to hear that a running back was drafted to play a role where the guy who defines the upside of the position had 1 worthwhile fantasy season in his eight year career, which came while playing in the absolute perfect situation.

I actually like Hillman a lot as a player, but hearing that he was drafted to play the role of scat-back is never a good thing.
I'll say it again; Darren Sproles was the 5th best RB last season in ppr leagues. Your definition of mediocre may differ slightly from mine. I understand your point, but I think Hillman is going to be a better inside runner than Sproles so I'd expect him to get more overall touches. IMO he'll be a great 15 touch a game player, which is plenty of opportunity to produce. Just my opinion of course.

 
i mentioned it in the james thread but i'll bring it here i suppose. i think pead and hillman have more #1 potential because of their frames - particularly in their trunks. james has very skinny legs and i'm skeptical he'll ever be a true #1... i see him as a change of pace only. to me, pead and hillman run with more power in their lower body and it will help them carry more of a load. james looks pretty top heavy and just looks a bit more soft when he runs but he has the vision, speed, and burst to be a great change of pace ala sproles.
What makes Sproles special is that he runs hard like a much bigger back and makes people miss (a poor man's Barry Sanders IMO). Pead is the guy I think comes closest to that. He doesn't run as hard as Sproles but he's got that great cutback ability and vision like Sproles. I like Pead just a bit more than Hillman due to his cutback ability, but Hillman has some great open field moves. If the Broncos can get him some space he will make people miss for big gains. James looks like the quickest of the three but I'm not sure he has the fantasy potential of Pead and Hillman. However, he's certainly a dangerous weapon and can be effective for the 49ers.
 
I'll say it again; Darren Sproles was the 5th best RB last season in ppr leagues. Your definition of mediocre may differ slightly from mine.
I thought "mediocre" was pretty generous given that he has one #5 finish in an 8 year career and 7 other seasons where he wasn't even startable. Btw, he was RB11 in points per game.Then there's that whole other half of leagues aren't there that aren't PPR where he was a midrange RB2 (RB18 in points per game) in his only worthwhile season.I just don't see it as a good thing when the absolute best case scenario for the position if you have one of the most talented scat-backs in NFL history playing in one of the best situations for a scat-back in NFL history on a team that loves to give them lots of work and sets NFL records for total offense is a season or two of low-end RB1 ppg production in PPR or mid-range RB2 production in non-ppr.I do think Hillman can be more than a guy who just plays that role (I'm extremely high on Hillman as a player), but it's not good to hear that that's the role they envisioned for him when picking him.
 
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"To be able to have a weapon like Ronnie Hillman, he's a lot like a (Darren) Sproles," John Elway told Broncos season-ticket holders. "You can get great matchups ... (a) great change-of-pace back."
That's not very exciting from a fantasy football standpoint.
Sproles was top 5 in ppr leagues last year??? But... I think Hillman has a better shot at being a between the tackles player than a Sproles. I think his upside is pretty high.
There have been dozens of running backs playing the "Darren Sproles" role over the years. Sproles is like the LT2 of scat-backs, yet he's mediocre at best as a fantasy player.
I disagree.BTW, John Fox said Hillman reminds him of Marshall Faulk. I don't think Hillman's size will preclude him from taking the #1 job at some point assuming the talent is there.

 
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Finding the Fits: Could Hillman challenge McGahee to be Broncos' top back in 2012?

By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com

Excerpt:

In terms of contributing immediately, the biggest immediate impact the Broncos could see from a rookie on the offensive side of the ball will come from third round running back Ronnie Hillman.

Like Wolfe, Hillman didn't generate a great deal of pre-draft buzz in the media despite the fact that he dominated his competition. Hillman did not qualify academically out of high school and thus was lightly recruited. He immediately proved he was a step above the talent level in the Mountain West Conference once he did get onto the field, however, by breaking former San Diego State star Marshall Faulk's freshman running record with 1,532 yards in 2010. He followed that up by breaking the conference record with 1,711 yards and scoring 20 touchdowns this past season. And don't think that Hillman just feasted upon MWC opponents. Hillman faced Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 competition over his short career with the Aztecs, as well, rushing for over 100 yards in all three contests and for 200-plus yards and a combined six touchdowns against Missouri and Washington State.

At 5-9, 200 pounds, most assume Hillman will strictly be a change of pace back to complement returning starter Willis McGahee. I think he can be much more than that.

Don't get me wrong, Hillman has the agility and straight-line speed to effectively pair up with the gritty McGahee. He remains a work in progress a receiver and pass blocker, however, which means that his snaps might come more often on first and second down than strictly on third down as some have suggested.

Despite his lack of ideal size, Hillman is surprisingly effective as a between-the-tackles runner and doesn't need the open field to string together the type of moves to generate gaudy yardage totals -- though he's certainly dangerous on the outside, as well. Hillman is much more of a complete back than most are giving him credit for and, at just 20-years old, has fresh legs despite logging a ton of carries over his short collegiate career.

The Broncos are hoping to squeeze another season out of McGahee, who after seeing just an average of 104.5 carries in his last two seasons with the Baltimore Ravens, apparently found the fountain of youth somewhere in the Rockies, being called upon 249 times to carry the ball a year ago. Should McGahee's resurgence continue in 2012, Hillman could prove the effective change of pace back some suggest he could be.

Should McGahee struggle to produce following a season in which he absorbed the most pounding he's taken since 2007, Hillman appears to be in a better position than veterans Lance Ball and Knowshon Moreno to take over. If given that kind of opportunity -- with defenses focusing on stopping Manning rather than the running game -- I believe Hillman could wind up proving one of the real steals of the 2012 draft.
 
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I have the 1.07 in my dynasty rookie draft and think this discussion about Pead vs. Hillman will be very relevant to me.

I can gladly post my roster as well ;)

 
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:blackdot:I have the 1.07 in my dynasty rookie draft and think this discussion about Pead vs. Hillman will be very relevant to me. I can gladly post my roster as well ;)
I have the 1.8 and am very interested in this too. I think training camps will give us a lot more information on how these guys rank, but for now I see it as:Hillman - College production was off the charts, and to me McGahee is a lesser hurdle than SJax. 5'9" 200 pounds is not a paperweight by any stretch so he should be ok.Pead - I actually rank him and Hillman like 1a and 1b. The situation is nice here too with only an aging RB in front of him in a young offense.James - I really liked him in college, but there are a few good bodies in SF fighting for carries.
 
I'll say it again; Darren Sproles was the 5th best RB last season in ppr leagues. Your definition of mediocre may differ slightly from mine.
I thought "mediocre" was pretty generous given that he has one #5 finish in an 8 year career and 7 other seasons where he wasn't even startable. Btw, he was RB11 in points per game.
What it does is show that sometimes a guy is never utilized to his fullest. It was his first year with the Saints. They used him correctly. It's the same situation for the Rogers in ATL. If they were to use him correctly, he would put up some nice stats but they still stuck in one dimension at RB. PeadHillmanJames
 
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In a superflex dynasty, ppr (0.5 ppr for rb league) I got Hillman at 2.5, and Pead at 2.9... very happy with those picks.

James went at 2.11.

Just for reference.

 
Pead is most intriguing to me of those 3. He will show flashes this season, I don't think any of them will be Fantasy Relevant though. Unless someone comes down with an injury.

 
'zed2283 said:
'Mainevent said:
In a superflex dynasty, ppr (0.5 ppr for rb league) I got Hillman at 2.5, and Pead at 2.9... very happy with those picks. James went at 2.11. Just for reference.
Wow, how that that be??
Here is how that draft went.1.01 Luck, Andrew IND QB 1.02 Griffin III, Robert WAS QB1.03 Richardson, Trent CLE RB 1.04 Blackmon, Justin JAC WR 1.05 Martin, Doug TBB RB 1.06 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 1.07 Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB 1.08 Hill, Stephen NYJ WR 1.09 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 1.10 Quick, Brian STL WR 1.11 David, Wilson NYG RB 1.12 Fleener, Coby IND TE 2.01 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 2.02 Weeden, Brandon CLE QB 2.03 Sanu, Mohamed CIN WR 2.04 Randle, Reuben NYG WR 2.05 Hillman, Ronnie DEN RB 2.06 Broyles, Ryan DET WR 2.07 Miller, Lamar MIA RB2.08 Kuechly, Luke CAR LB 2.09 Childs, Greg MIN WR 2.10 Pead, Isaiah STL RB 2.11 James, LaMichael SFO RB 2.12 Jenkins, A.J. SFO WR
 
'zed2283 said:
'Mainevent said:
In a superflex dynasty, ppr (0.5 ppr for rb league) I got Hillman at 2.5, and Pead at 2.9... very happy with those picks. James went at 2.11. Just for reference.
Wow, how that that be??
Here is how that draft went.1.01 Luck, Andrew IND QB 1.02 Griffin III, Robert WAS QB1.03 Richardson, Trent CLE RB 1.04 Blackmon, Justin JAC WR 1.05 Martin, Doug TBB RB 1.06 Floyd, Michael ARI WR 1.07 Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB 1.08 Hill, Stephen NYJ WR 1.09 Wright, Kendall TEN WR 1.10 Quick, Brian STL WR 1.11 David, Wilson NYG RB 1.12 Fleener, Coby IND TE 2.01 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 2.02 Weeden, Brandon CLE QB 2.03 Sanu, Mohamed CIN WR 2.04 Randle, Reuben NYG WR 2.05 Hillman, Ronnie DEN RB 2.06 Broyles, Ryan DET WR 2.07 Miller, Lamar MIA RB2.08 Kuechly, Luke CAR LB 2.09 Childs, Greg MIN WR 2.10 Pead, Isaiah STL RB 2.11 James, LaMichael SFO RB 2.12 Jenkins, A.J. SFO WR
Quick was a bit time reach ahead of Jeffery and Randle - Hillman and Pead were absolute steals. QB's have a lot more value in this format (explaining the high Tannehill and Weeden picks).
 
I have McGahee (as RB3) in a Z dynasty league. I took Pead over Hillman at 1.12

Did a ton of research before I made that pic. I feel good about the decision.

 
I think Pead/Hillman are almost identical in rankings, in the 1.09-2.01 range. YOu could argue Hillman has the better immediate situation but you could also say Pead is a stud waiting to happen with Jeff Fisher as his coach and SJax on his way down. Most of my drafts I missed out on TRich and Martin, Wilson so I tried to get both Pead and Hillman and was happy with that.

 
I think Pead/Hillman are almost identical in rankings, in the 1.09-2.01 range. YOu could argue Hillman has the better immediate situation but you could also say Pead is a stud waiting to happen with Jeff Fisher as his coach and SJax on his way down. Most of my drafts I missed out on TRich and Martin, Wilson so I tried to get both Pead and Hillman and was happy with that.
I'm not so sure Jackson is on the way down just yet. I regrettably traded him away last season. I think I jumped the gun on that. With your very best players, and I think he's right behind Adrian Peterson in talent, I think you throw that age stuff out the window a bit. Jackson is one of the very top most talented players. I think he has 2 more years left if he stays healthy pretty easily. If, and I say that with a big question mark, Pead is excellent, he could accelerate that, but I don't see Jackson being put out to pasture for a few more years. He will be 29 heading into the season. I think he squeezes that out, maybe more. And that decline may not be sudden, he could transition into a goalline role very easily with his size and ability to catch.
 
I think Pead/Hillman are almost identical in rankings, in the 1.09-2.01 range. YOu could argue Hillman has the better immediate situation but you could also say Pead is a stud waiting to happen with Jeff Fisher as his coach and SJax on his way down. Most of my drafts I missed out on TRich and Martin, Wilson so I tried to get both Pead and Hillman and was happy with that.
I'm not so sure Jackson is on the way down just yet. I regrettably traded him away last season. I think I jumped the gun on that. With your very best players, and I think he's right behind Adrian Peterson in talent, I think you throw that age stuff out the window a bit. Jackson is one of the very top most talented players. I think he has 2 more years left if he stays healthy pretty easily. If, and I say that with a big question mark, Pead is excellent, he could accelerate that, but I don't see Jackson being put out to pasture for a few more years. He will be 29 heading into the season. I think he squeezes that out, maybe more. And that decline may not be sudden, he could transition into a goalline role very easily with his size and ability to catch.
$7M is a huge number for a 30 year old RB. Personally, I really like the guy and hope he keeps playing with the Rams but I expect the Rams to cut him next year.
 
I think Pead/Hillman are almost identical in rankings, in the 1.09-2.01 range. YOu could argue Hillman has the better immediate situation but you could also say Pead is a stud waiting to happen with Jeff Fisher as his coach and SJax on his way down. Most of my drafts I missed out on TRich and Martin, Wilson so I tried to get both Pead and Hillman and was happy with that.
I'm not so sure Jackson is on the way down just yet. I regrettably traded him away last season. I think I jumped the gun on that. With your very best players, and I think he's right behind Adrian Peterson in talent, I think you throw that age stuff out the window a bit. Jackson is one of the very top most talented players. I think he has 2 more years left if he stays healthy pretty easily. If, and I say that with a big question mark, Pead is excellent, he could accelerate that, but I don't see Jackson being put out to pasture for a few more years. He will be 29 heading into the season. I think he squeezes that out, maybe more. And that decline may not be sudden, he could transition into a goalline role very easily with his size and ability to catch.
$7M is a huge number for a 30 year old RB. Personally, I really like the guy and hope he keeps playing with the Rams but I expect the Rams to cut him next year.
Yeah that is true but we see teams do puzzling things all the time.
 
HillmanPeadJamesIn that order. With these backs its too hard to say who has more talent. You have to rank them off situation.
I agree with this. It isn't like the talent is so disparate that you can really go off that and so situation is the most important factor.
 
Cecil Lammey is on record for saying that the Broncos drafted Hillman to take over from McGahee as work horse back, eventually. The Rams may have the same intentions with Pead, but do the 49'ers?

 
Cecil Lammey is on record for saying that the Broncos drafted Hillman to take over from McGahee as work horse back, eventually. The Rams may have the same intentions with Pead, but do the 49'ers?
Cecil is very bullish on Hillman and not just because he's a Broncos homer. He talked about Hillman before the draft as well. His head must have exploded when they took him. He's mentioned Hillman will be used on the stretch play like Addai was in Indy. Also stated that he reminds him of Lesean McCoy.
 
Kendall Hunter really limits James' upside. I think we all know these three have old backs in front of them. But Pead and Hillman don't have an impressive sophomore in front of them to boot. Kendall Hunter is a much bigger obstacle to playing time than Knowhow Moreno.

 
Bumping this to see if there are any new opinions 2 weeks into the preseason.

Problem is: Hillman has had a hammy, James just got hurt and Pead has looking pretty bad from what I've read.

Any new thoughts?

 

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