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** SNF - Dolphins at Patriots** (+1.5, 46.5) (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Ministry of Pain
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ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
no- man the ither angle look like he made it
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
omfg wut
rockaction
Footballguy
Hoo boy.
Gotta keep that one a first down, I think.
Gotta keep that one a first down, I think.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
He looks like he got it.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Can’t overturn that
Todem
Footballguy
Easy reversal.
rockaction
Footballguy
They're never overturning this in Foxboro...are you kidding? They're reversing this?
Where were they for the Tuck Rule?
Where were they for the Tuck Rule?
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
That’s how you end a game like that
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Dunno what to say about that one
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well that was more exciting than this game had any right to be after the 1st half.
Have a good evening gents!
Have a good evening gents!
Wildcat
Footballguy
It’s because it was short
HellToupee
Footballguy
Well anyhoo.it’s nice seeing the pats start 0-2
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Tua 5-0 v pats
It should've never come down to that ...
It should've never come down to that ...
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow.
So you've got
Miami 2-0
New York 1-1
Buffalo 1-1
New England 0-2
So you've got
Miami 2-0
New York 1-1
Buffalo 1-1
New England 0-2
rockaction
Footballguy
Zach Wilson at Bill Belichick and the Patriots should be a warm and fuzzy affair for all Jets fans.
It might be a repeat of that 10-3 game we saw last year.
I'm puking it forward.
It might be a repeat of that 10-3 game we saw last year.
I'm puking it forward.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Happy to win but...
-That call really should not have been overturned, it looked like the OL was able to get the FD
@Todem if you remember the Denver game today, you liked the non call from the Refs on the 2-pt miss by Denver
And I feel like here the replay should not have overturned what the Refs called on the field, seemed very close
Again, thrilled to be 2-0, McDaniel is undefeated in September
-That call really should not have been overturned, it looked like the OL was able to get the FD
@Todem if you remember the Denver game today, you liked the non call from the Refs on the 2-pt miss by Denver
And I feel like here the replay should not have overturned what the Refs called on the field, seemed very close
Again, thrilled to be 2-0, McDaniel is undefeated in September
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Tired of these losses. The Pats aren’t getting the benefit of the doubt on these close calls. They can’t win playing catchup the entire game.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Apparently Henry’s touchdown was illegal, so they got a pretty favorable non-call there.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Belichick took Tyreek Hill away for most of the night and still Hill had 5/40/TD but it needs to be said that Bill Belichick managed to make that game somewhat boring vs what people saw in Week 1 against the Bolts.
Waddle 70+ rec Week 1, 4/86 last night...he's on pace for about 75/1,200+ yds and yet I know a lot of folks seem disappointed thus far.
And then Mostert 18-121-2TDs, there is no way that can be a weekly thing but it shows the OL is opening holes and defenses have to constantly commit to stopping the pass.
Waddle 70+ rec Week 1, 4/86 last night...he's on pace for about 75/1,200+ yds and yet I know a lot of folks seem disappointed thus far.
And then Mostert 18-121-2TDs, there is no way that can be a weekly thing but it shows the OL is opening holes and defenses have to constantly commit to stopping the pass.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Hats off to the Dolphins for getting the W. The Pats are a work in progress and will struggle until they get their OL healthy and blocking assignments figured out. The defense is good enough to hold explosive opponents in the 20s, but the offense can't score that many points on their own consistently. When the NE defense can't force multiple turnovers or get a defensive return TD, the Pats will be in trouble.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Truth is the pats are, what, 2 inches from being 2-0. That being said, BB has had everything break his way for about 20 years now except for one helmet catch and two mannings, so I'm not really going to cry for pats fans today.
Boston
Footballguy
So it looks pretty much how most people thought it would all offseason...if they can get the O line squared away (I still don't trust Trent Brown and the Tackle position overall which is an issue) that will be a big plus, but it is still a very pedestrian offense that is not built for the NFL in 2023...as far as roster construction goes I'm still not sure what BB's endgame is on that side of the ball...and who knows if BOB will still be here after this year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You touched on it and I want to almost launch a whole thread on Coach BB, he gets defense better than anyone but I question if he accepts the modern offense.
I remember when he finally bended and brought in Randy Moss
Didn't earn a trophy but he did go to the Super Bowl with a wicked offense and went undefeated all the way to the Super Bowl
There is nothing to fear on the Patriots offense, I never felt like they could really beat Miami in the 4th Q except when you factor in the history between the 2 teams, yeah i was sweating when we missed the 55-yd FG which I still question that decision, would have preferred a punt and pin 'em deep with the slow moving offense the Patriots have, would always make them march the length of the field under 2 minutes, I don't think they can do it
This is on BB, his inability to evolve with the modern game and run a very archaic looking offense.
I don't think New England could ask him to step down but I don't see him ever getting close to a Super Bowl in New England again.
4th season Post-Brady, they look pitiful on offense.
17-3 going into the 4th and they hadn't done much all night.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Pats were two inches away from continuing both of their games for another series. Until we start awarding 7 points for teams just getting into the red zone, they still needed to get in the end zone to win Game 1 and get in the end zone to force OT in Game 2.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
NE started two guards that hadn't practiced all training camp (not in game shape at all) and a tackle they claimed off waivers when the season started making his first NFL start that had never taken a snap on offense in the NFL. That has nothing to do with coaching, the modern NFL, roster construction, game planning, etc. The Patriots OL right now is a MASH unit and a total mess. They are carrying like 13 linemen just to be able to cobble together enough bodies to get through a game.
Boston
Footballguy
Yup...you will get plenty of excuses but even if they were 100% healthy it is a pedestrian offense that has little room for error...it is year 4 post-Brady and they have built an offense where almost everything has to go perfectly to be effective let alone good.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Saw a couple comments to this affect. I submit its not that the offensive design is archaic, its that the players being asked to execute it are not, in some cases, up to par. injury-riddled o line, unproven quarterback, gimpy WR1, WR2, TE2, WR3 and receivers still being developed under that. RS and Henry are the only proven commodities who are healthy (on the offensive side of the ball). defense is in good shape except for cornerback which will get back to full strength shortly.
Boston
Footballguy
I don't disagree about the design...it is light years ahead of last year (which is scary)...my issue all along has been roster construction...the upside is limited even if everyone is 100% healthy and I just don't see what the endgame is.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
potato pota-toe. Yes I get it, I hate when Tennessee fans say they were one yard away from winning vs the rams, but the gist is still the same. game of inches yada yada yada.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
As a Dolphin fan, I have no dog in this fight, but BB is still an amazing coach and a questionable GM. That blocked kick was French kiss stunning, as was his Defensive game plan vs Miami and Philly.
He, unfortunately, doesn't have the talent on his roster of either the dolphins or the Eagles, but managed to be in striking distance. Pats fans are starting to sound like Dolphin fans at the end of the Shula/Marino era...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What’s weird is their whole emphasis used to be on the OL. Brady’s 5 layers of protection and all that.
It’s not like BB doesn’t understand the value of a cohesive offensive line.
And yet the OL is downright disjointed & at times embarrassing.
That has nothing to do with understanding the modern game - that’s timeless fundamentals of good football.
Head scratcher.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The end game is developing an offense that can score 21 points on their own with the defense and special teams chipping in points or very short field opportunities. The defense is typically strong enough to only allow 17-21 points (unless the offense gives away points).
No one can argue that giving Mac three OC's in three years was good for his development. Similarly, no one will ever say BB was great at identifying WRs. I'm curious what would happen if NE made a big move at WR and that still didn't work out. Say they traded a boatload of picks for Davante Adams and his $30M a year contract . . . and he put up 60-800-4. Then what? Just like the "what if" NE drafted one of the other receivers that did well on another team. That doesn't mean that guy would work out in NE.
We still haven't seen anything that resembles close to a regular OL (or a group of healthy receiving targets for that matter). I get it, you've got to win with the guys in uniform on the field, and they haven't yet. They've lost to playoff teams in the final seconds with a chance to extend the game or win outright. That counts for 0 wins, but they were in each game until the final seconds.
Boston
Footballguy
IMO the issue is 100% BB the GM...the GM refuses to accept the reality that Tom Brady is no longer the QB and Dante Scarnecchia is no longer the O line Coach and what you could do with them no longer can be done...if BB the GM gives BB the HC some legit offensive talent they will be fine but between blown draft picks (Harry, Thornton, Asiasi, Keene, Wynn, Cajuste, Froholdt, Strong, Zappe and Michel were all taken in rounds 1-4 the past 6 drafts) and bad FA signings that cost solid $ (Jonnu, Agholor and potentially Juju) the GM has not given the HC much to work with on that side of the ball...the Pats have a crazy amount of cap space (unfortunately one of the reasons is because they have missed on so many offensive picks) and what they do with it will dictate their future...the question now becomes do you want BB the GM to be in charge of spending that $.
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Boston
Footballguy
Two reasons...one, in all fairness the injuries have been brutal...two, the Pats had one of the greatest Assistants in NFL history (Dante Scarnecchia) as their O line Coach who was turning college wrestlers into starters...he is no longer there and they don't have the luxury of trusting Dante to turn water into wine.
Boston
Footballguy
An endgame that revolves around scoring 21 points a game is not acceptable in today's NFL...it is an antiquated strategy.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
At the end of the Brady era, their drafts were just plain terrible. Since then, they have landed some solid contributors.
2020: Dugger, Uche, Onwenu (Jennings a maybe)
2021: Jones, Barmore, Stevenson
2022: Strange, Jones, Jones (Thornton a no for now but still a chance he could turn into something)
2023: A bunch of players they drafted already playing . . . even Bedard said it was the best draft class NE has had since he's been involved with NE.
That's way better talent and performance wise than the 2016-19 drafts. They should have guys to extend this time around.
As for having an offense that can score 21 points a game, obviously they want an offense that can score more than that. But even if they could get 21 points out of the offense, they would likely be a playoff team with the way the defense has been. They just haven't been able to score points. But even with a lot of money available to spend, they still won't go out and spend $50+ million a year for an OT and a WR.
