Grahamburn
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Looks like this was the way.
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**Dallas at Philadelphia**(-8.5, 48.5) 8:20 NFL Kickoff on NBC (5 Viewers)
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
That was one magic loogie!
Capella
Footballguy
Yea but I mean…..that’s what he gets all that money for. Hit his hands at the end of the game. You need that.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I agree, the biggest moment, a pretty good throw from Dak, CD Lamb was open and had a step and the ball went thru his arms, he decided he needed to jump and perhaps that was true
You don't get those play calls often, 4th and 3 and they send him on a fly and throw it to him, excellent play call, the ball was there
Sure it would have been a clutch catch but that is why they pay Lamb all that money
AJBrown really got a chance to showcase his skills last night.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Terrific opening night game thread, lot of Philly-Dallas fighting the first 5 pages but the entire Shark Pool got in on the action last night, I thought this place was a lot of fun during the game
To be able to post about a specific play in the middle of the game and actually get instant feedback on what you saw is still a terrific experience after 25 years around here
Thanks @Joe Bryant
To be able to post about a specific play in the middle of the game and actually get instant feedback on what you saw is still a terrific experience after 25 years around here
Thanks @Joe Bryant
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MIght be a bit too early for this conclusion. There were four or five just missed plays against Dak, plays where DAk fired the pass with guys all around him or swinging at his arm and JUST missing. Have to believe if Carter had been in there a couple of those would have gotten home, and the run game wouldn't have been as successful. The pass rush didn't get good numbers, but it was far from non existent
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I looked this up, since 1959 the great State of Pennsylvania has averaged a whopping 2 deaths per year by lightning strikes...
Now look I don't want to get everyone up in a tiff about it but last night delaying the game an hour was ridiculous, really over the top and the radar didn't look that bad
The chances of someone dying while driving on the roads coming to the game and traveling home has to be much higher than anyone getting struck by lightning.
We're going overboard on something that doesn't usually happen. In all of the college and NFL games and sporting events outside, how many folks have been killed or struck by lightning?
I just don't recall reading very many stories about it. I live in Florida and we have a lot of Thunder/Lightning storms, pretty sure we have the most and we don't overreact the way i saw the officials or whoever makes the call last night
BTW Mike Tirico was priming the audience up for it instead of calling the football game in the 2nd Half, he couldn't stop talking about some rain clouds off to the West
The whole thing feels scripted as does the entire NBC broadcast and their team of folks, they have to be the worst. Amazon is much better in the usual TNF slot
I don't care for the way NBC does Sunday Night football, it's like they don't even watch the games prior to coming on the air and I'm sure some of them DON'T, they're too bust writing or memorizing their script for the night as to what the network and producers want them to say
Now look I don't want to get everyone up in a tiff about it but last night delaying the game an hour was ridiculous, really over the top and the radar didn't look that bad
The chances of someone dying while driving on the roads coming to the game and traveling home has to be much higher than anyone getting struck by lightning.
We're going overboard on something that doesn't usually happen. In all of the college and NFL games and sporting events outside, how many folks have been killed or struck by lightning?
I just don't recall reading very many stories about it. I live in Florida and we have a lot of Thunder/Lightning storms, pretty sure we have the most and we don't overreact the way i saw the officials or whoever makes the call last night
BTW Mike Tirico was priming the audience up for it instead of calling the football game in the 2nd Half, he couldn't stop talking about some rain clouds off to the West
The whole thing feels scripted as does the entire NBC broadcast and their team of folks, they have to be the worst. Amazon is much better in the usual TNF slot
I don't care for the way NBC does Sunday Night football, it's like they don't even watch the games prior to coming on the air and I'm sure some of them DON'T, they're too bust writing or memorizing their script for the night as to what the network and producers want them to say
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I’ll just ask this rhetorical question as an answer to why the weather delay happened.
What kind of civil lawsuit payout do you think would be feasible if, God forbid, someone in the stadium was struck by lightning or otherwise adversely affected by weather and the league did not take every possible precaution?
Pardon my run-on sentence.
Insein
Footballguy
I think the disclaimer on the ticket states that the purchaser assumes all risks and liabilities when attending the event.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Carter collapses the pocket in the QBs face so he can't step up he has to step back or to the side which is straight into the edge rushers. That type of pressure was virtually non-existent last night. In the first half, Dak had all day, which exposed the Eagles CB2 position, but in the first couple pages of the thread I thought Dallas would be able to move the ball, it wasn't really a surprise to me. Fangio adjusted to get more pressure which helped. As I said in my post above, the weather delay just grinded both offenses to a halt. I'm not making any proclamations about any of the units after last night. Nothing either defense did anything prior to the weather delay that gave any indication that they'd be able to stop the other teams offense.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Also, with respect to the Jalen Hurts QB discussion that went on for a few pages at the beginning. Last night was a perfect encapsulation of why Jalen is such a good QB. He can make the throws he needs to, he can kill you with his legs, and he just has a poise about him. He's a winner.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
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It's just ridiculous and if they really cared about human lives they wouldn't invite 70,000+ to come drink and then pile into their cars to get home afterwards
I hear you but there is no logic, it's groupthink
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Yeah, I get that. I’m not a lawyer and didn’t stay in a Holiday Inn Express last nite, but I have to imagine a lawyer could finnagle a large payout in a civil suit.
Not to mention, the players and team personnel or the Broadcast team/film crews/producers aren’t bound by that “contractual language”.
Also, not to mention, if the NFL didn’t take any precautions and something happened, it would tarnish the shield.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
It's a negligence standard. The NFL, the team and the stadium operators have a duty of care to protect spectators from reasonable harm.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Yeah, that’s kinda what I was thinking, but all my legal knowledge has come from Law & Order, Suits and Boston Legal.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
MikesVikes
Footballguy
How many throws did he have over 20 yards or even 10 yards? He made all the throws asked of him but I was not a fan of the game call. This is from a guy that fell asleep in the fourth quarter.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
That's not really relevant IMO. He made the throws he needed to.
GoBirds
Footballguy
You better hope it’s not the bolded. Jerry’s 3D chess to get Arch Manning would completely backfire!
GoBirds
Footballguy
If you want to see some of those throws check out the Super Bowl highlights. Last night all he needed to do was beat the Cowboys. Mission accomplished.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
You better hope it’s not the bolded. Jerry’s 3D chess to get Arch Manning would completely backfire!
I can't wait for the week 1 overreaction thread.
So many anomalies occurred in last nights games, to try and draw conclusions is crazy.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Its also a common sense standard - putting aside death and lawyers and small-print waivers and lawsuits. Its best to take cover during a lighting storm.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That was a 100 mph fastball with zero touch.
Y’all being hypercritical on that one.
The long bomb he dropped before that was on lamb. Go back and watch this one again. That was not by any definition “a pretty good throw by Dak”.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The 4th and 3 at the end of the game? I thought the pass was pretty good and it was a tight window he was throwing it into
I've seen Lamb and other WRs make that catch
I watched receivers drop balls from Dak throughout the game
If you say it was a fast ball, you're probably right
I still thought it was a decent throw, some QBs won't even attempt that pass
MikesVikes
Footballguy
I went from a 3-point dog to an eight point favorite in my FF matchup because of AJ Brown, so I have no problem with how it played out. But the Eagles could drop a few more games than last year with a different play caller. Again not my concern.
Dak playing chess last night. Carter playing checkers.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Lamb should have caught that but it was a perfect throw by Dak. Lamb was being grabbed and held - not necessarily quite enough to get a PI but enough to slow Lamb down a step that he had to dive.
I thought Daks worst pass last night was the first one to Ferguson in the end zone. Had he put more into the throw Ferg would have had a better shot.
Agreed. That should have been a touch down.
From Dan Casey:
The Cowboys looking like a buttoned-up, well-coached team last night was my takeaway.
I know it was just one game. And Schottenheimer may well be the idiot everyone says, and Jones the senile bafoon people think he is for picking him.
But one team last night looked well-coached and ready. The other did not.
Gatorade
Footballguy
As a Cowboys fan I have to agree completely. All of that earlier talk was just noise to me. He takes what the defense gives him and makes plays when he needs too. Unlike Romo and Dak, who both looked great until the pressure was on. Someone earlier tried to compare stats for Hurts and Aikman. Not possible because play styles are different and rules are different now. But both perform in the clutch.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Yes, smooth operation by the Cowboys last night. And honestly, I think that was the biggest surprise and biggest factor in keeping them close (they shoulda won).
The Boys were uncharacteristically smooth managing the clock, which I’ve always thought was a weakness in Dak’s game.
Philly looked undisciplined and reactive, rather than setting the tone in the game. That’ll change, or they’ll be an easy out in the playoffs.
Deamon
Footballguy
Defending Dak's classlessness isn't a good look.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously bad to get himself ejected.
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Agree. Philly D let Dallas get in their heads, showed their youth last night. Need to grow up and play with more discipline.
And I thnk they will. It's easy to make the case this was a great thing for Eagles. Still got the win but a good wake up call.
Deamon
Footballguy
Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I'm still upset that a game with 44 pts in the first half didnt hit the 48.5 over.
I even had a parlay where I took an alternate line of 44.5.
Weather ended up killing the over but not in the way I expected.
Terpman22
Footballguy
He definitely did. I wonder if its something Dak will try to do all season long with other teams.Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
Depends if the other team has known dope or not.He definitely did. I wonder if its something Dak will try to do all season long with other teams.Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
He definitely did. I wonder if its something Dak will try to do all season long with other teams.Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
I kind of doubt he'd do it again. That's one of those things you save for someone special.
Terpman22
Footballguy
You might be right. Probably won't be worth to try it again when they play the Eagles in NovemberHe definitely did. I wonder if its something Dak will try to do all season long with other teams.Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
I kind of doubt he'd do it again. That's one of those things you save for someone special.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
It takes a special kind of personality to spit on someone with refs right there and cameras at every angle. Not necessarily stupid (or just stupid) but rash, immature and lacking in impulse control.He definitely did. I wonder if its something Dak will try to do all season long with other teams.Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
I kind of doubt he'd do it again. That's one of those things you save for someone special.
Now that this tape is out and the narrative for the week is going to focus on this incident above and beyond other stories until the next thing happens, even the most incendiary hotheads will rein themselves in and keep from reacting like that.
This was lightning in a bottle. Dak wasn’t trying to get Carter ejected, but he had to be thrilled that he got so deep under his skin.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
If Dak is still healthy for that game, Jalen will be playing like Charles Jefferson from Ridgemont High.You might be right. Probably won't be worth to try it again when they play the Eagles in NovemberHe definitely did. I wonder if its something Dak will try to do all season long with other teams.Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
I kind of doubt he'd do it again. That's one of those things you save for someone special.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am sure some here dislike Nick Wright, but I agree with his take on Hurts, which is basically the bolded:
Is he a great passer? No.
Is he a great QB? Yes.
I think some people forget that while he might not be Lamar Jackson, running is a big part of Hurts' game (even if you do not count the tush pushes).
Terpman22
Footballguy
But then you go look at stats and other than volume passing numbers, the efficiencies look like this:
From last year
Comp % 8th
YPA 4th
QB Rating 5th
For Comparison, and I know he got injured, but before injury this is where Dak (the presumed better "passer")
Comp %: 22nd
YPA: 24th
QB Raing: 27th
Even look at the stats last night, other than more passing yards, Jalen Hurts had a better passing metric than all of Dak's
Its an interesting narrative that I guess will never die until he tosses 30+ TDs and even then you get critics that go "SUPERTEAM DUH" to excuse the success
Deamon
Footballguy
Oh its going to he wild. They will prob have 3 guys blocking him tho.If Dak is still healthy for that game, Jalen will be playing like Charles Jefferson from Ridgemont High.You might be right. Probably won't be worth to try it again when they play the Eagles in NovemberHe definitely did. I wonder if its something Dak will try to do all season long with other teams.Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
I kind of doubt he'd do it again. That's one of those things you save for someone special.
Terpman22
Footballguy
The one thing I was really upset was I REALLY wanted to see Tyler Booker vs JC98Oh its going to he wild. They will prob have 3 guys blocking him tho.If Dak is still healthy for that game, Jalen will be playing like Charles Jefferson from Ridgemont High.You might be right. Probably won't be worth to try it again when they play the Eagles in NovemberHe definitely did. I wonder if its something Dak will try to do all season long with other teams.Dak played Carter like a fiddle, that's gamesmanship. Carter being a dope and responding like he did is just dumb, plain and simple.Both players acted very classless. Jalen more so.
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously stupid to get himself ejected.
I kind of doubt he'd do it again. That's one of those things you save for someone special.
Guess we wait
You didn't see the video? He didnt spit on the ground, He looked Carter in the face, spit in his direction, then gave a cheezy grin and nodded. He absolutely taunted Carter. Not excusing Carters response...ejection was proper/warranted, but it should have never gone that far. Lost a ton of respect for Prescott
Nothing to defend.
Dak spit on the ground and gave a guy like Carter enough rope to do something so ridiculously bad to get himself ejected.
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