**NFC Divisional Round - Washington at Detroit** (-9, 55) 8:15 on FOX (1 Viewer)

[TampaMike19]

What was up with the passing with a yard to go for the Lions?

 

[Joe Bryant]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

Agreed. I think @Zeppelin has it right. This wasn't a coaching issue.

Turnovers and failing to execute at key points did them in.

Plus a Washington team that caught fire at the right time.

Tough loss for a good team that plays hard. Respect.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I’ve never seen so many brutal injuries for a 1 seed. It’s simply amazing what the Lions accomplished this year under such adversity. That speaks to phenomenal coaching. Honestly I think Lions fans have every right to play the excuse game. Has any former 1 seed had 6-7 starters on D out? But still gotta give credit to Washington. They were awesome.

And this is why everyone on the Detroit coaching staff deserves kudos. Campbell and Glenn in particular.

 

[kface]

I’ve never seen so many brutal injuries for a 1 seed. It’s simply amazing what the Lions accomplished this year under such adversity. That speaks to phenomenal coaching. Honestly I think Lions fans have every right to play the excuse game. Has any former 1 seed had 6-7 starters on D out? But still gotta give credit to Washington. They were awesome.

And this is why everyone on the Detroit coaching staff deserves kudos. Campbell and Glenn in particular.

Kudos for sure but what were the lions down? One of the few teams with the entire offense intact. Lost their star DE and their starting CB but most of the D was there - that's not unlike other teams

Certainly depth at CB was an issue but it's not like Wash was trotting out the A team for wrs and tes

 

[IHEARTFF]

I’ve never seen so many brutal injuries for a 1 seed. It’s simply amazing what the Lions accomplished this year under such adversity. That speaks to phenomenal coaching. Honestly I think Lions fans have every right to play the excuse game. Has any former 1 seed had 6-7 starters on D out? But still gotta give credit to Washington. They were awesome.

And this is why everyone on the Detroit coaching staff deserves kudos. Campbell and Glenn in particular.

Kudos for sure but what were the lions down? One of the few teams with the entire offense intact. Lost their star DE and their starting CB but most of the D was there - that's not unlike other teams

Certainly depth at CB was an issue but it's not like Wash was trotting out the A team for wrs and tes

They were missing 6 starters on d lol and more depth

 

[Capella]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

This is all true but you absolutely cannot have Williams throwing the ball while down 10. One of the all-time dumb play calls I’ve ever seen. Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for all he’s done but should rightfully be slammed for that one. That ended the game.

 

[Zeppelin]

Kudos for sure but what were the lions down? One of the few teams with the entire offense intact. Lost their star DE and their starting CB but most of the D was there - that's not unlike other teams

Certainly depth at CB was an issue but it's not like Wash was trotting out the A team for wrs and tes

Most of the D was definitely not there. Out of our top 22 defensive players to start the season, half are on IR, including 5 starters (Hutchinson, Davenport, McNeill, Barnes, and Carlton Davis). That's insane. There are 18 players on IR, mostly from the defense. Then we lost 2 players that started against Washington (Amik Robertson, Ifeatu Melifonwu) and that doesn't count Branch, who missed a lot of time in the 2nd half.

 

[Capella]

To everybody saying the Lions will be back…I’m sure they will. Awesome core and coach. But Jared Goff is the QB. They are not winning a Super Bowl with that guy.

 

[kface]

Kudos for sure but what were the lions down? One of the few teams with the entire offense intact. Lost their star DE and their starting CB but most of the D was there - that's not unlike other teams

Certainly depth at CB was an issue but it's not like Wash was trotting out the A team for wrs and tes

Most of the D was definitely not there. Out of our top 22 defensive players to start the season, half are on IR, including 5 starters (Hutchinson, Davenport, McNeill, Barnes, and Carlton Davis). That's insane. There are 18 players on IR, mostly from the defense. Then we lost 2 players that started against Washington (Amik Robertson, Ifeatu Melifonwu) and that doesn't count Branch, who missed a lot of time in the 2nd half.

Sure, and I get you guys are fans, but 5 starters on D and O that is completely intact is not exactly gutted.

Not going to argue because I know you are passionate about it but that's not abnormal

I mean Ekler, Brown, Ertz, Zaccheaus don't even make most teams starting offense

 

[Da Guru]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

This is all true but you absolutely cannot have Williams throwing the ball while down 10. One of the all-time dumb play calls I’ve ever seen. Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for all he’s done but should rightfully be slammed for that one. That ended the game.

I said the exact same thing. Williams is a burner, but I have watched and listened to him for 3 years. There is no way in hell I would let him throw the ball in that situation. The play was too slow developing and all the DBs had time to get back and Williams had slowed down trying to get the ball ready to throw, and then he throws into heavy coverage with nobody open.

And Raymond runs the ball out of the EZ and get tackled short of the 20!

All week long I heard "Don`t let Daniels roll right, he is way more effective rolling and running right than left" He rolled right all night. The biggest blunder was the 4th and 2 and Daniels faked the handoff and ran right. Terrion Arnold was not on middle run support but had outside containment, yet he bites inside and lets Daniels go around him for the first down. That would have been a huge stop.

Goff got away from what he did all year and was pressing to make big plays that were not there.

Hats off to Daniels and Washinton. Daniels without a doubt played as good, and was as calm as a rookie QB could be. The way they call they plays he has 3 options so they never audible, takes the crowd right out of the game.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

This is all true but you absolutely cannot have Williams throwing the ball while down 10. One of the all-time dumb play calls I’ve ever seen. Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for all he’s done but should rightfully be slammed for that one. That ended the game.

I said the exact same thing. Williams is a burner, but I have watched and listened to him for 3 years. There is no way in hell I would let him throw the ball in that situation. The play was too slow developing and all the DBs had time to get back and Williams had slowed down trying to get the ball ready to throw, and then he throws into heavy coverage with nobody open.

And Raymond runs the ball out of the EZ and get tackled short of the 20!

All weel long I heard "Don`t let Daniels roll right, he if way more effective rolling and running right than left" He rolled right all night. The biggest blunder was the 4th and 2 and Daniels faked the handoff and ran right. Terrion Arnold was not on middle run support but had outside containment, yet he bites inside and lets Daniels go around him for the first down. That would have been a huge stop.

Goff got away from what he did all year and was pressing to make big plays that were not there.

Hats off to Daniels and Washinton. Daniels without a doubt played as good, and was as calm as a rookie QB could be. The way they call they plays he has 3 options so they never audible, takes the crowd right out of the game.

Yeah, that 4th and 2 play was just absurdly bad D. How can they not at least have someone out there to pretend to contain Daniels??

 

[Zeppelin]

Goff got away from what he did all year and was pressing to make big plays that were not there.

With the defense not being able to stop the Washington offense (one punt), I think the Lions offense felt that they had to play almost perfect football to win and that pressure seemed to get into Goff's head.

 

[Snotbubbles]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

This is all true but you absolutely cannot have Williams throwing the ball while down 10. One of the all-time dumb play calls I’ve ever seen. Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for all he’s done but should rightfully be slammed for that one. That ended the game.

I said the exact same thing. Williams is a burner, but I have watched and listened to him for 3 years. There is no way in hell I would let him throw the ball in that situation. The play was too slow developing and all the DBs had time to get back and Williams had slowed down trying to get the ball ready to throw, and then he throws into heavy coverage with nobody open.

And Raymond runs the ball out of the EZ and get tackled short of the 20!

All weel long I heard "Don`t let Daniels roll right, he if way more effective rolling and running right than left" He rolled right all night. The biggest blunder was the 4th and 2 and Daniels faked the handoff and ran right. Terrion Arnold was not on middle run support but had outside containment, yet he bites inside and lets Daniels go around him for the first down. That would have been a huge stop.

Goff got away from what he did all year and was pressing to make big plays that were not there.

Hats off to Daniels and Washinton. Daniels without a doubt played as good, and was as calm as a rookie QB could be. The way they call they plays he has 3 options so they never audible, takes the crowd right out of the game.

I feel like yesterday was more about Detroit than Washington.

The offensive gameplan that was too pass heavy (Gibbs looked absolutely brilliant and they only gave him 14 carries) and too cute (the trick play with Williams was stupid).

Defensively, the cracks were there, they were giving up way too many points the last month of the season. Jayden Daniels is good, but not 45 points good.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Dan Quinn's a very good coach this year (I don't know about other years). He's got a team that regularly plays over their heads and is more interested [next game] than in the game they just finished.

I loved the pregame interview with him. He acknowledged the Lions were very good and had several players who could change the course of the game, and said his team would need to do a good job all day. And he was completely relaxed and confident.
That **** is contagious.

Congrats!

 

[Da Guru]

Kudos for sure but what were the lions down? One of the few teams with the entire offense intact. Lost their star DE and their starting CB but most of the D was there - that's not unlike other teams

Certainly depth at CB was an issue but it's not like Wash was trotting out the A team for wrs and tes

Most of the D was definitely not there. Out of our top 22 defensive players to start the season, half are on IR, including 5 starters (Hutchinson, Davenport, McNeill, Barnes, and Carlton Davis). That's insane. There are 18 players on IR, mostly from the defense. Then we lost 2 players that started against Washington (Amik Robertson, Ifeatu Melifonwu) and that doesn't count Branch, who missed a lot of time in the 2nd half.

Sure, and I get you guys are fans, but 5 starters on D and O that is completely intact is not exactly gutted.

Not going to argue because I know you are passionate about it but that's not abnormal

I mean Ekler, Brown, Ertz, Zaccheaus don't even make most teams starting offense

You are correct. When you look Hutch was leading the NFL in sacks, McNeil is All-Pro, Davis was the #1 CB, then his replacement got hurt first series. Barnes was the best rushing LB, they had a CB in that only played 1 snap all season. The replacements would not start anywhere. In MLB terms they lost plus WAR players and replaced them with minus WAR players. Might get away with that in some regular season games but it will catch up to a team in these kind of games. They lost what made them good.

As I stated earlier the next man up mentality can only work for so long the farther down the roster you go. After watching the Buffalo game I knew this was coming.

But in the NFL the other teams don`t care who is injured. Have to go with what you have and what they had was not good enough. And if it was not good enough yesterday it would not have been good enough to win 2 more against playoff teams.

Washinton deserved to win that game

 

[davidwb]

Just looking ahead. Rookie QBs in Championship games are 0-7 with an average losing margin of 14.5 points.

I don't imagine any of those rookie QBs were the best QB in their conference, like Daniels is.

He's great, but the lights will be too bright and I don't think the rest of the team is up to snuff just yet.

But we'll find out. He's about to enter the Lion's den against (if he makes it) maybe the 2 best defenses in the NFL between PHI and I'm just going to pencil in KC.

Of course, Washington scored 36 points against the Eagles in week 16.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

This is all true but you absolutely cannot have Williams throwing the ball while down 10. One of the all-time dumb play calls I’ve ever seen. Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for all he’s done but should rightfully be slammed for that one. That ended the game.

I said the exact same thing. Williams is a burner, but I have watched and listened to him for 3 years. There is no way in hell I would let him throw the ball in that situation. The play was too slow developing and all the DBs had time to get back and Williams had slowed down trying to get the ball ready to throw, and then he throws into heavy coverage with nobody open.

And Raymond runs the ball out of the EZ and get tackled short of the 20!

All weel long I heard "Don`t let Daniels roll right, he if way more effective rolling and running right than left" He rolled right all night. The biggest blunder was the 4th and 2 and Daniels faked the handoff and ran right. Terrion Arnold was not on middle run support but had outside containment, yet he bites inside and lets Daniels go around him for the first down. That would have been a huge stop.

Goff got away from what he did all year and was pressing to make big plays that were not there.

Hats off to Daniels and Washinton. Daniels without a doubt played as good, and was as calm as a rookie QB could be. The way they call they plays he has 3 options so they never audible, takes the crowd right out of the game.

I feel like yesterday was more about Detroit than Washington.

The offensive gameplan that was too pass heavy (Gibbs looked absolutely brilliant and they only gave him 14 carries) and too cute (the trick play with Williams was stupid).

Defensively, the cracks were there, they were giving up way too many points the last month of the season. Jayden Daniels is good, but not 45 points good.

Yup. Spot on.

Lions should have run the ball 40 times, mostly with Gibbs. Monty looked like a guy who is still injured. Crazy that they didn’t give Gibbs the ball more.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Just looking ahead. Rookie QBs in Championship games are 0-7 with an average losing margin of 14.5 points.

I don't imagine any of those rookie QBs were the best QB in their conference, like Daniels is.

He's great, but the lights will be too bright and I don't think the rest of the team is up to snuff just yet.

But we'll find out. He's about to enter the Lion's den against (if he makes it) maybe the 2 best defenses in the NFL between PHI and I'm just going to pencil in KC.

Of course, Washington scored 36 points against the Eagles in week 16.

Sure, the Eagles lost their starting QB on the 2nd drive. It allowed WAS to sell out on Saquon Barkley on the RPOs because Pickett wasn't a threat to run. Philly wasn't able to sustain drives with Pickett. They had a bunch of 3, 4 and 5 play drives that ate no clock and gave Daniels extra possessions in the second half. That injury changed the entire complexion of the game.

Then CJGJ got thrown out of the game at the beginning of the 2nd half. When CJGJ was in the game, these were the WAS drives: downs, fumble, punt, TD, fumble, TD, punt, interception, fumble. Once CJGJ was gone: TD, TD, interception, TD. That loss was more about what happened to Philly, sure Daniels had to take advantage, but the opportunity to do so isn't there if Hurts doesn't get hurt and CJGJ doesn't get tossed. Context matters.

 

[Zeppelin]

Cross posted:

Heading into Saturday, Goff's 0.6 interception rate was the lowest in NFL playoff history -- which evaporated because of his poor performance.

 

[Da Guru]

To everybody saying the Lions will be back…I’m sure they will. Awesome core and coach. But Jared Goff is the QB. They are not winning a Super Bowl with that guy.

I have concerns about Goff in big games as well. But unless you are drafting in the top 3 what are teams supposed to do? Even then it is a crap shoot.

Stat wise Goff had one the of the best seasons for a QB in NFL history. So he can play. But when you see a game like last night it takes the luster of a great season off.

Ben Johnson made some questionable play calls beside the Williams blunder. Third and one early in Washington`s zone and they go open backfield and Goff gets strip sacked..why?

Lions were getting 5-10 yards a run at the time. Run, Get the first down, go up 14-3 and it changes the game. Instead, it ends up 10-7 Washington after the fumble. That was a huge flip.

 

[Steeler]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

This is all true but you absolutely cannot have Williams throwing the ball while down 10. One of the all-time dumb play calls I’ve ever seen. Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for all he’s done but should rightfully be slammed for that one. That ended the game.

I said the exact same thing. Williams is a burner, but I have watched and listened to him for 3 years. There is no way in hell I would let him throw the ball in that situation. The play was too slow developing and all the DBs had time to get back and Williams had slowed down trying to get the ball ready to throw, and then he throws into heavy coverage with nobody open.

And Raymond runs the ball out of the EZ and get tackled short of the 20!

All weel long I heard "Don`t let Daniels roll right, he if way more effective rolling and running right than left" He rolled right all night. The biggest blunder was the 4th and 2 and Daniels faked the handoff and ran right. Terrion Arnold was not on middle run support but had outside containment, yet he bites inside and lets Daniels go around him for the first down. That would have been a huge stop.

Goff got away from what he did all year and was pressing to make big plays that were not there.

Hats off to Daniels and Washinton. Daniels without a doubt played as good, and was as calm as a rookie QB could be. The way they call they plays he has 3 options so they never audible, takes the crowd right out of the game.

Yeah, that 4th and 2 play was just absurdly bad D. How can they not at least have someone out there to pretend to contain Daniels??

I'm pretty sure they did... but number zero took a few steps inside giving up contain... and thus giving up the first down.

 

[IHEARTFF]

To everybody saying the Lions will be back…I’m sure they will. Awesome core and coach. But Jared Goff is the QB. They are not winning a Super Bowl with that guy.

I don’t necessarily agree with that. If he has to carry the team then yes they might be in trouble. But if their d and running game is healthy and functional they shouldn’t have to force Goff to throw a ton.

 

[Da Guru]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

This is all true but you absolutely cannot have Williams throwing the ball while down 10. One of the all-time dumb play calls I’ve ever seen. Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for all he’s done but should rightfully be slammed for that one. That ended the game.

I said the exact same thing. Williams is a burner, but I have watched and listened to him for 3 years. There is no way in hell I would let him throw the ball in that situation. The play was too slow developing and all the DBs had time to get back and Williams had slowed down trying to get the ball ready to throw, and then he throws into heavy coverage with nobody open.

And Raymond runs the ball out of the EZ and get tackled short of the 20!

All weel long I heard "Don`t let Daniels roll right, he if way more effective rolling and running right than left" He rolled right all night. The biggest blunder was the 4th and 2 and Daniels faked the handoff and ran right. Terrion Arnold was not on middle run support but had outside containment, yet he bites inside and lets Daniels go around him for the first down. That would have been a huge stop.

Goff got away from what he did all year and was pressing to make big plays that were not there.

Hats off to Daniels and Washinton. Daniels without a doubt played as good, and was as calm as a rookie QB could be. The way they call they plays he has 3 options so they never audible, takes the crowd right out of the game.

Yeah, that 4th and 2 play was just absurdly bad D. How can they not at least have someone out there to pretend to contain Daniels??

I'm pretty sure they did... but number zero took a few steps inside giving up contain... and thus giving up the first down.

Yes, Arnold is the CB, on the read options the CB has outside containment. If it is up the middle the CB is not going to make the tackle anyway. Arnold stays outside and he has a legit chance at a stop, who knows if he could have made the tackle but he has to stay outside. Once he bit inside it was over. Still Daniels only made it by a yard so that play was huge.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

This is all true but you absolutely cannot have Williams throwing the ball while down 10. One of the all-time dumb play calls I’ve ever seen. Ben Johnson gets a lot of deserved credit for all he’s done but should rightfully be slammed for that one. That ended the game.

I said the exact same thing. Williams is a burner, but I have watched and listened to him for 3 years. There is no way in hell I would let him throw the ball in that situation. The play was too slow developing and all the DBs had time to get back and Williams had slowed down trying to get the ball ready to throw, and then he throws into heavy coverage with nobody open.

And Raymond runs the ball out of the EZ and get tackled short of the 20!

All weel long I heard "Don`t let Daniels roll right, he if way more effective rolling and running right than left" He rolled right all night. The biggest blunder was the 4th and 2 and Daniels faked the handoff and ran right. Terrion Arnold was not on middle run support but had outside containment, yet he bites inside and lets Daniels go around him for the first down. That would have been a huge stop.

Goff got away from what he did all year and was pressing to make big plays that were not there.

Hats off to Daniels and Washinton. Daniels without a doubt played as good, and was as calm as a rookie QB could be. The way they call they plays he has 3 options so they never audible, takes the crowd right out of the game.

Yeah, that 4th and 2 play was just absurdly bad D. How can they not at least have someone out there to pretend to contain Daniels??

I'm pretty sure they did... but number zero took a few steps inside giving up contain... and thus giving up the first down.

Yes, Arnold is the CB, on the read options the CB has outside containment. If it is up the middle the CB is not going to make the tackle anyway. Arnold stays outside and he has a legit change at a stop, who knows if he could have made the tackle but he has to stay outside. Once he bit inside it was over. Still Daniels only made it by a yard so that play was huge.

That plus the JaMo INT were the biggest plays of the game

 

[Wingnut]

I feel a little bad for Lions fans today, but heartbreaking losses in big games you hope or expect to win happen. Welcome to being a fan of a contender.

The AFC is winning the SB no matter what anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered if they made it or not.

 

[Snotbubbles]

To everybody saying the Lions will be back…I’m sure they will. Awesome core and coach. But Jared Goff is the QB. They are not winning a Super Bowl with that guy.

I have concerns about Goff in big games as well. But unless you are drafting in the top 3 what are teams supposed to do? Even then it is a crap shoot.

Stat wise Goff had one the of the best seasons for a QB in NFL history. So he can play. But when you see a game like last night it takes the luster of a great season off.

Ben Johnson made some questionable play calls beside the Williams blunder. Third and one early in Washington`s zone and they go open backfield and Goff gets strip sacked..why?

Lions were getting 5-10 yards a run at the time. Run, Get the first down, go up 14-3 and it changes the game. Instead, it ends up 10-7 Washington after the fumble. That was a huge flip.

The pick 6 was the first time I thought WAS might be able to pull off the upset. Then when they intercepted the ball at the end of the half, I knew DET was in trouble.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Mina Kimes with the stat of the day:

Looking back: Detroit sent a 4 man rush on 46% of dropbacks…and got zero pressures. Zero!

 

[fatness]

Daniels was blitzed on 16 of his 31 pass attempts, per Next Gen Stats. He completed 12 of those 16 attempts for 191 of his 299 yards and a touchdown. When facing pressure, Daniels went 7-of-9 for 109 yards. He was sacked zero times. He added 51 yards on the ground.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6072696/2025/01/19/lions-lose-commanders-playoffs/

 

[Drake Hater]

Mina Kimes with the stat of the day:

Looking back: Detroit sent a 4 man rush on 46% of dropbacks…and got zero pressures. Zero!

Wasn't the Commanders' O Line supposed to be one of the worst in the league this season?

 

[Deamon]

A

It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

ya I was making a joke about both of them named Dan. Clearly I missed though haha

 

[msudaisy26]

To everybody saying the Lions will be back…I’m sure they will. Awesome core and coach. But Jared Goff is the QB. They are not winning a Super Bowl with that guy.

A lot worse qbs have won super bowls. Goff can't carry you to a super bowl, but there are only 3 to 5 qbs in the game that can do that.

 

[fred_1_15301]

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It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

ya I was making a joke about both of them named Dan. Clearly I missed though haha

Yeah that’s actually where I thought you were going with it but wasn’t 100% sure.

 

[Zeppelin]

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It came down to coaching, and in the end, Dan was simply the better coach.

It wasn't coaching, it wasn't play calling, it wasn't the trick play that didn't work. Those and many other things contributed to the loss but they weren't the reason we lost.

The two main reasons the Lions lost is because of turnovers and a defense that could not stop the Washington offense. They matched up and down the field for most of the game. We stopped them one time. You will not win giving up 45 points. You will not win with a minus 5 turnover differentials. That's the ballgame right there.

Bottom line: The Commanders played great and we played bad. They deserved to win.

ya I was making a joke about both of them named Dan. Clearly I missed though haha

Well, either the joke was bad, or it went over my head, or I was too pissed off about the game to find anything funny.

 

[gump]

A Lions buddy in MI…who’s been consistent in his belief that Goff > Stafford…says Goff was concussed early and it’s being squashed because he’s not an NFL Poster Boy. First time I’d heard that angle.

 

[Zeppelin]

A Lions buddy in MI…who’s been consistent in his belief that Goff > Stafford…says Goff was concussed early and it’s being squashed because he’s not an NFL Poster Boy. First time I’d heard that angle.

I don't believe that. Goff just played a bad game.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

To everybody saying the Lions will be back…I’m sure they will. Awesome core and coach. But Jared Goff is the QB. They are not winning a Super Bowl with that guy.

A lot worse qbs have won super bowls. Goff can't carry you to a super bowl, but there are only 3 to 5 qbs in the game that can do that.

Goff > Dilfer
Goff > Brad Johnson
Goff > Plunkett
Goff > Namath
Goff > Rypien

The common denominator in that group seems to be quality defense. Lions didn’t lose that game because of Goff (the turnovers didn’t help) but because their defense was shot. Losing Hutch + their entire secondary.

Get the defense healthy & DET is still the team to beat in either division IMO.

 

[Capella]

The common denominator in that group seems to be quality defense.

The common denominator is 20-60 years ago. Offense rules the game now in every way.

 

[Joe Bryant]

To everybody saying the Lions will be back…I’m sure they will. Awesome core and coach. But Jared Goff is the QB. They are not winning a Super Bowl with that guy.

Can you elaborate on that?

With the right coaches and cast, Goff can't win a Super Bowl?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The common denominator in that group seems to be quality defense.

The common denominator is 20-60 years ago. Offense rules the game now in every way.

I disagree that the game has changed that fundamentally.

The Chiefs are the perfect example. Mahomes is putting up relatively pedestrian numbers while the defense carries them.

 

[Mr.Pack]

The game was over when Amik Robinson left the game. He was the last bandaid holding the defense together. We had no one left on the OL who could get to the QB, and without the ability to man cover the blitz were a disaster too. The secondary had too many players who should not be on the field.

Also, Washington was good all game.

Washington played great. But the defense did not have legitimate NFL players on the field. Give me one good pass rusher and one good corner and we can at least get a stop or two. We had no hope of generating a stop.

This is the NFL. Next man up. When is Packer fans whined about injuries everyone says boohoo. No excuses, next man up.

 

[Mr.Pack]

The game was over when Amik Robinson left the game. He was the last bandaid holding the defense together. We had no one left on the OL who could get to the QB, and without the ability to man cover the blitz were a disaster too. The secondary had too many players who should not be on the field.

This. That's when I knew it was over.

Bucs had multiple players out last week.

Washington missing several on defense as well this week.

There are no excuses. Now that your team is a contender don’t do this stuff. It’s true for everyone.

There are no trophies for what could have been.