So a child molester moved into my neighborhood... (1 Viewer)

[Clifford]

Invest in some video cameras and document everything the guy does. If he steps out of line, report it to his probation officer.

From a half mile away?

Good point. Maybe he should move closer to him?

Good plan. Monitoring will be much easier.

Really I have no plans to watch this guy or have any interactions outside of what I usually do to keep an eye on my kid. I will probably stop letting my kid walk himself to his friend's house 8 houses down, which kinda sucks. One of the things I love about my neighborhood is that it is a place where you can let your kid have the run of the neighborhood without worrying. Guess that aspect is gone for the time being.

I am going to have a stranger-danger talk with him, but not mention anything about this particular guy moving in. He's only 6 and I don't want him to know how messed up the world is just yet.

One thing we do with our younger kids is send texts back and forth with the other parents saying "kids coming" and asking for texts when they get there, etc.

We do that too. Good tip.

 

[McGarnicle]

It's a shame how Molotov cocktails just go flying through peoples' windows in the middle of the night, and no one ever knows who did it. I sure hope nothing like that ever happens to this guy.

 

[comfortably numb]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

It sucks but you are basically saying is "I don't want him around my family and would prefer he be around your family"

 

[Clifford]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.

So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

 

[McGarnicle]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition limited almost entirely to men that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

I agree wholeheartedly and don't envy parents having to worry about these people being out in society. They should be permanently segregated or castrated IMO. That said, I think the odds are on your side, since you said the neighborhood is teeming with kids. Just do whatever you can to make your kids as unattractive as possible -- have them wear ill-fitting clothes, don't bathe them, etc. And teach them basic knife skills.

 

[butcher boy]

I get that they have to live somewhere, but this neighborhood is a grade school kid 2 out of 3 houses. I can't think of a worse place for a pedophile to live. How about somewhere downtown where there are practically no kids?

People are going to say this no matter where he lives. Just so long as its not in "my" neighborhood, right?

 

[Zow]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.

So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

To be fair, in many circumstances they are treated much differently. In my jurisdiction they are usually placed on a lifetime probation "tail" (this is different from parole) where they are subject to be more stringent monitoring, supervision, and possible rehabilitative requirements (i.e. find and maintain a job, attend counseling, etc.).

 

[T Bell]

I get that they have to live somewhere, but this neighborhood is a grade school kid 2 out of 3 houses. I can't think of a worse place for a pedophile to live. How about somewhere downtown where there are practically no kids?

People are going to say this no matter where he lives. Just so long as its not in "my" neighborhood, right?

I think we can agree that there are neighborhoods that are less of a risk, and some that are more of a risk. There are other factors involved as well though, such as available housing, and this guy's mom's house is in that neighborhood. One would also hope that his mother would provide a bit of a support system that might help him stay out of trouble.

 

[butcher boy]

I get that they have to live somewhere, but this neighborhood is a grade school kid 2 out of 3 houses. I can't think of a worse place for a pedophile to live. How about somewhere downtown where there are practically no kids?

People are going to say this no matter where he lives. Just so long as its not in "my" neighborhood, right?

I think we can agree that there are neighborhoods that are less of a risk, and some that are more of a risk. There are other factors involved as well though, such as available housing, and this guy's mom's house is in that neighborhood. One would also hope that his mother would provide a bit of a support system that might help him stay out of trouble.

The point is if this guy has served his time, then aren't severe restrictions on where he can live considered over and above the punishment that he has already served? OP said it was only 2 miles from a school. What's the minimum allowable distance from a school then? I could drop a pin randomly on google maps and it'd probably be within 2 miles of a school in most cases.

 

[T Bell]

I get that they have to live somewhere, but this neighborhood is a grade school kid 2 out of 3 houses. I can't think of a worse place for a pedophile to live. How about somewhere downtown where there are practically no kids?

People are going to say this no matter where he lives. Just so long as its not in "my" neighborhood, right?

I think we can agree that there are neighborhoods that are less of a risk, and some that are more of a risk. There are other factors involved as well though, such as available housing, and this guy's mom's house is in that neighborhood. One would also hope that his mother would provide a bit of a support system that might help him stay out of trouble.

The point is if this guy has served his time, then aren't severe restrictions on where he can live considered over and above the punishment that he has already served? OP said it was only 2 miles from a school. What's the minimum allowable distance from a school then? I could drop a pin randomly on google maps and it'd probably be within 2 miles of a school in most cases.

Sexual predators are their own special class of criminal in that the recidivism rate is very high, and their forms of crime are particularly destructive. Over and above that, child predators prey upon some of the most vulnerable members of society.

So the short answer is, yes, these are restrictions upon where they can live over and above their incarceration and other punishments, and unapologetically so.

As for Q's like how to a school, etc., that's based upon the individual's behavior.

 

[McGarnicle]

End prison sentences for simple drug possession cases and lock up the pedophiles for life IMO.

 

[chauncey]

You should follow him, see if he is working at LensCrafters.

 

[mquinnjr]

For real. Got the email from whatever service notifies residents of a sex offender moving into the neighborhood. Not far off from where I live, just a few blocks away.

Dude is 41 and eas convicted of attempted sodomy of a 7-year old girl. My neighborhood is crawling with young kids, most aged below 10.

Don't know if he is renting or bought the house. Don't know what our options are, or if there are any, to get this guy out of our neighborhood. In terms of how I view these things, I think these people are mentally sick and are not going to be cured by stints in jail no matter how long. I think once someone is a pedophile they will always be a threat to kids and should be permanently removed from the rest of the population.

Not happy about this. Anyone dealt with this before?

ETA: Apparently he moved in with his mother who owns a house here. Would appreciate any advice for anyone who has dealt with this.

Let us know how the door to door introduction a la "the Big Lebowski" goes.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Does he have a golf swing system in his backyard? Maybe invite him over for a seder. It would be best if others no mouth to mouth though.

 

[butcher boy]

I get that they have to live somewhere, but this neighborhood is a grade school kid 2 out of 3 houses. I can't think of a worse place for a pedophile to live. How about somewhere downtown where there are practically no kids?

People are going to say this no matter where he lives. Just so long as its not in "my" neighborhood, right?

I think we can agree that there are neighborhoods that are less of a risk, and some that are more of a risk. There are other factors involved as well though, such as available housing, and this guy's mom's house is in that neighborhood. One would also hope that his mother would provide a bit of a support system that might help him stay out of trouble.

The point is if this guy has served his time, then aren't severe restrictions on where he can live considered over and above the punishment that he has already served? OP said it was only 2 miles from a school. What's the minimum allowable distance from a school then? I could drop a pin randomly on google maps and it'd probably be within 2 miles of a school in most cases.

Sexual predators are their own special class of criminal in that the recidivism rate is very high, and their forms of crime are particularly destructive. Over and above that, child predators prey upon some of the most vulnerable members of society.

So the short answer is, yes, these are restrictions upon where they can live over and above their incarceration and other punishments, and unapologetically so.

As for Q's like how to a school, etc., that's based upon the individual's behavior.

What are these restrictions and did they fail in the OP's case? Or is it a situation I described where there are schools and kids everywhere and he has to live somewhere.

 

[T Bell]

I get that they have to live somewhere, but this neighborhood is a grade school kid 2 out of 3 houses. I can't think of a worse place for a pedophile to live. How about somewhere downtown where there are practically no kids?

People are going to say this no matter where he lives. Just so long as its not in "my" neighborhood, right?

I think we can agree that there are neighborhoods that are less of a risk, and some that are more of a risk. There are other factors involved as well though, such as available housing, and this guy's mom's house is in that neighborhood. One would also hope that his mother would provide a bit of a support system that might help him stay out of trouble.

The point is if this guy has served his time, then aren't severe restrictions on where he can live considered over and above the punishment that he has already served? OP said it was only 2 miles from a school. What's the minimum allowable distance from a school then? I could drop a pin randomly on google maps and it'd probably be within 2 miles of a school in most cases.

Sexual predators are their own special class of criminal in that the recidivism rate is very high, and their forms of crime are particularly destructive. Over and above that, child predators prey upon some of the most vulnerable members of society.

So the short answer is, yes, these are restrictions upon where they can live over and above their incarceration and other punishments, and unapologetically so.

As for Q's like how to a school, etc., that's based upon the individual's behavior.

What are these restrictions and did they fail in the OP's case? Or is it a situation I described where there are schools and kids everywhere and he has to live somewhere.

There are competing priorities at work. Our legal system doesn't allow imprisonment for life for most sex crimes, so he's got to be released at some point and, as you said, he's got to live somewhere. They chose his mother's because 1) she'll take him in, 2) it won't cost the State any money, and 3) living with his mother means he's got some social support that might help him avoid reoffending. The Megan's Law sex offender registry is the mechanism by which the community is notified and offered the opportunity to protect itself, mostly by increasing vigilance about the offender and also enabling them to voice objections if necessary.

The alternative to this is a halfway house type of setup, and those tend to be met with even more strenuous objections in my (limited) experience.

The point is that there's no good way to do this, but we can't lock them up and throw away the key, so we're left with this system more or less.

 

[mquinnjr]

http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/registry/registry

Why would they set up a website with what gifts the sex offenders want? Shouldn't we be punishing them?

Got one right down the block, just 0.3 miles away.

Man that is scary. Thanks for posting link?

 

[T Bell]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.

So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

The more we learn about this the more that we see there's room for pity for these people. Obviously there's no room for them in society to offend and I'd probably kill one of them if my own child was victimized, but imagine if your sexual desires, through no choice of your own, could only be fulfilled with sexual contact with underage kids. That pretty much either reduces you to a life of crime and harm to others, or a life of celibacy and loneliness. That really sucks.

It's just a really tough problem to tackle socially and legally.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

That is a rough situation.

 

[Clifford]

2.2 miles from the school if by road. Likely below 2 miles as crow flies. Lot of other residents are already contacting the police and seeing what can be done. And like I said less than a quarter mile from my house.

This is like putting a coyote next to a chicken farm. It's only a matter of time.

 

[FUBAR]

He served his time and has to live somewhere. Don't know what the solution to make everyone happy is.

NIMBY!

 

[fantasycurse42]

I have over 1,000 within a mile of my house, the watchdog sight freezes bc they can't map out all the dots. There are prob 10's of thousands of sub 10 year old children within 25 blocks of my house.

Good luck with your individual sex offender.

 

[FUBAR]

2.2 miles from the school if by road. Likely below 2 miles as crow flies. Lot of other residents are already contacting the police and seeing what can be done. And like I said less than a quarter mile from my house.

This is like putting a coyote next to a chicken farm. It's only a matter of time.

Protect your chicken.

It's easy for us to sit here and say it's not a big deal, but really, educate your kids and be thankful you know he's there.

 

[Pots]

Honestly I am somewhat sympathetic, despite how disgusting the pedophilia mental condition is. I think these folks are mentally ill and our system treats them the same as someone who robbed a liquor store. I just view my job is to safeguard my kid, not worry about this guy.

Not too many guys who rob liquor stores cause e-mails to go to the entire neighborhood when they move in and have half of them looking for any legal way necessary to get you to move out.

 

[FUBAR]

this thread did convince me to check our neighborhood. Closest one is a few miles away, but 5 live in the same neighborhood as our soccer complex. Not surprising given that it's mostly cheap apartments.

And my usual bike route has me going past quite a few.

Creepy looking 26 year old lives within 1/2 mile of the school with charges from December 2013. But most of these guys were charged in the 90s.

 

[Bucky86]

A few near me are in violation. Hopefully they've been put in jail and aren't out there somewhere.

 

[T Bell]

There's one in my neighborhood the next block over and a street up, convicted of sexual abuse with someone under 14. Lovely.

The problem with California's Megan's Law page, however, is that most of the profiles seem to have no dates on them. Many of the profiles seem to detail criminal activity from decades ago, judging from the age of these guys. It would be helpful to know that information.

 

[McGarnicle]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

The more we learn about this the more that we see there's room for pity for these people. Obviously there's no room for them in society to offend and I'd probably kill one of them if my own child was victimized, but imagine if your sexual desires, through no choice of your own, could only be fulfilled with sexual contact with underage kids. That pretty much either reduces you to a life of crime and harm to others, or a life of celibacy and loneliness. That really sucks.

It's just a really tough problem to tackle socially and legally.

There have been times in human history when certain deviants weren't afforded the right to live and procreate. We're more enlightened today which is overwhelmingly a positive thing generally speaking, but we haven't figured out what to do with these people. It's a big gaping hole in a legal system that fails us in multiple ways.

 

[butcher boy]

Someone I went to high school with shows up near me. Looks like its for statutory rape.

Also lots of filipino dudes in a 5 mile radius of each other near me all have their offense described as SEX PENETRATION WITH FOREIGN OBJECT OF VICTIM UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE

 

[psychobillies]

I have no problem telling them that they will not be released from prison until they voluntarily get castrated. At least that way they know they might lose their balls if they mess with a kid in the first place.

 

[Zow]

I have no problem telling them that they will not be released from prison until they voluntarily get castrated. At least that way they know they might lose their balls if they mess with a kid in the first place.

But you aren't the 8th Amendment.

 

[McGarnicle]

Someone I went to high school with shows up near me. Looks like its for statutory rape.

Also lots of filipino dudes in a 5 mile radius of each other near me all have their offense described as SEX PENETRATION WITH FOREIGN OBJECT OF VICTIM UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE

Is is considered a foreign object because they're Filipino?

 

[Mark Davis]

Not that this is a cure all, but when it comes to your kids on your property, do you have a dog? We have a golden retriever/chow mix. He looks really friendly but he isn't. He loves our two girls and is the sweetest thing with us but hates anyone coming in his yard or his house. We didn't get him to be a guard dog and in fact we didn't realize he was half chow until way after we adopted him from the shelter. It's not a simple solution but as far as when your kids are in your yard, that can be a deterrent. If anyone broke in our house or if a stranger approached our girls in our yard there would be serious problems.

 

[Zow]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

The more we learn about this the more that we see there's room for pity for these people. Obviously there's no room for them in society to offend and I'd probably kill one of them if my own child was victimized, but imagine if your sexual desires, through no choice of your own, could only be fulfilled with sexual contact with underage kids. That pretty much either reduces you to a life of crime and harm to others, or a life of celibacy and loneliness. That really sucks.

It's just a really tough problem to tackle socially and legally.

There have been times in human history when certain deviants weren't afforded the right to live and procreate. We're more enlightened today which is overwhelmingly a positive thing generally speaking, but we haven't figured out what to do with these people. It's a big gaping hole in a legal system that fails us in multiple ways.

Significantly disagree with the bolded for the following reasons.

1. Defining "these people" is incredibly difficult. There are a wide range of actions which could land a person on the registry. 21 year old sleeps with a 17 year old; somebody urinates in public numerous times; Stepfather sleeps with his 16 year old stepfather; Father sodomizes his 9 year old; Creepy stranger kidnaps a young child at night and does unspeakable things to her. Which one of these poses such danger that they cannot be rehabilitated and/or pose a significant threat to the average passerby that they need to be indefinitely incapacitated?

2. I'd agree there's no perfect solution, but in my jurisdiction at least the really "scary" offenders are very likely going away for life or some multiple decades time period. I can't imagine other jurisdictions are much different.

 

[Bucky86]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

The more we learn about this the more that we see there's room for pity for these people. Obviously there's no room for them in society to offend and I'd probably kill one of them if my own child was victimized, but imagine if your sexual desires, through no choice of your own, could only be fulfilled with sexual contact with underage kids. That pretty much either reduces you to a life of crime and harm to others, or a life of celibacy and loneliness. That really sucks.

It's just a really tough problem to tackle socially and legally.

There have been times in human history when certain deviants weren't afforded the right to live and procreate. We're more enlightened today which is overwhelmingly a positive thing generally speaking, but we haven't figured out what to do with these people. It's a big gaping hole in a legal system that fails us in multiple ways.

Significantly disagree with the bolded for the following reasons.

1. Defining "these people" is incredibly difficult. There are a wide range of actions which could land a person on the registry. 21 year old sleeps with a 17 year old; somebody urinates in public numerous times; Stepfather sleeps with his 16 year old stepfather; Father sodomizes his 9 year old; Creepy stranger kidnaps a young child at night and does unspeakable things to her. Which one of these poses such danger that they cannot be rehabilitated and/or pose a significant threat to the average passerby that they need to be indefinitely incapacitated?

2. I'd agree there's no perfect solution, but in my jurisdiction at least the really "scary" offenders are very likely going away for life or some multiple decades time period. I can't imagine other jurisdictions are much different.

 

[Zow]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

The more we learn about this the more that we see there's room for pity for these people. Obviously there's no room for them in society to offend and I'd probably kill one of them if my own child was victimized, but imagine if your sexual desires, through no choice of your own, could only be fulfilled with sexual contact with underage kids. That pretty much either reduces you to a life of crime and harm to others, or a life of celibacy and loneliness. That really sucks.

It's just a really tough problem to tackle socially and legally.

There have been times in human history when certain deviants weren't afforded the right to live and procreate. We're more enlightened today which is overwhelmingly a positive thing generally speaking, but we haven't figured out what to do with these people. It's a big gaping hole in a legal system that fails us in multiple ways.

Significantly disagree with the bolded for the following reasons.

1. Defining "these people" is incredibly difficult. There are a wide range of actions which could land a person on the registry. 21 year old sleeps with a 17 year old; somebody urinates in public numerous times; Stepfather sleeps with his 16 year old stepfather; Father sodomizes his 9 year old; Creepy stranger kidnaps a young child at night and does unspeakable things to her. Which one of these poses such danger that they cannot be rehabilitated and/or pose a significant threat to the average passerby that they need to be indefinitely incapacitated?

2. I'd agree there's no perfect solution, but in my jurisdiction at least the really "scary" offenders are very likely going away for life or some multiple decades time period. I can't imagine other jurisdictions are much different.

Hey, I love pissing in nature as much as the next guy. Just don't do it with people around who may get offended. Or at least don't let them call the cops and catch you.

 

[psychobillies]

I have no problem telling them that they will not be released from prison until they voluntarily get castrated. At least that way they know they might lose their balls if they mess with a kid in the first place.

But you aren't the 8th Amendment.

Entirely up to them.

 

[doowain]

I get that they have to live somewhere, but this neighborhood is a grade school kid 2 out of 3 houses. I can't think of a worse place for a pedophile to live. How about somewhere downtown where there are practically no kids?

Actually it sounds like it's prime real estate.

 

[chet]

I get that they have to live somewhere, but this neighborhood is a grade school kid 2 out of 3 houses. I can't think of a worse place for a pedophile to live. How about somewhere downtown where there are practically no kids?

Actually it sounds like it's prime real estate.

 

[Clifford]

Honestly I am somewhat sympathetic, despite how disgusting the pedophilia mental condition is. I think these folks are mentally ill and our system treats them the same as someone who robbed a liquor store. I just view my job is to safeguard my kid, not worry about this guy.

Not too many guys who rob liquor stores cause e-mails to go to the entire neighborhood when they move in and have half of them looking for any legal way necessary to get you to move out.

That's because robbing liquor stores is not caused by a psychological condition that the many psychological researchers believe could be as innate as other forms of human sexuality. It's two completely different things.

 

[igbomb]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

The more we learn about this the more that we see there's room for pity for these people. Obviously there's no room for them in society to offend and I'd probably kill one of them if my own child was victimized, but imagine if your sexual desires, through no choice of your own, could only be fulfilled with sexual contact with underage kids. That pretty much either reduces you to a life of crime and harm to others, or a life of celibacy and loneliness. That really sucks.

It's just a really tough problem to tackle socially and legally.

There have been times in human history when certain deviants weren't afforded the right to live and procreate. We're more enlightened today which is overwhelmingly a positive thing generally speaking, but we haven't figured out what to do with these people. It's a big gaping hole in a legal system that fails us in multiple ways.

Significantly disagree with the bolded for the following reasons.

1. Defining "these people" is incredibly difficult. There are a wide range of actions which could land a person on the registry. 21 year old sleeps with a 17 year old; somebody urinates in public numerous times; Stepfather sleeps with his 16 year old stepfather; Father sodomizes his 9 year old; Creepy stranger kidnaps a young child at night and does unspeakable things to her. Which one of these poses such danger that they cannot be rehabilitated and/or pose a significant threat to the average passerby that they need to be indefinitely incapacitated?

2. I'd agree there's no perfect solution, but in my jurisdiction at least the really "scary" offenders are very likely going away for life or some multiple decades time period. I can't imagine other jurisdictions are much different.

You really think this happens consistently?

Fortunately he's a couple miles away, but there is a 54 year old guy that lives in my town. Convicted of sexual conduct with a person under 13 in 2008 and then again in 2011. It's 2014 and he's obviously not in prison. You may not view his as really 'scary' but I have three kids under 10. He's damn scary.

 

[Clifford]

Not that this is a cure all, but when it comes to your kids on your property, do you have a dog? We have a golden retriever/chow mix. He looks really friendly but he isn't. He loves our two girls and is the sweetest thing with us but hates anyone coming in his yard or his house. We didn't get him to be a guard dog and in fact we didn't realize he was half chow until way after we adopted him from the shelter. It's not a simple solution but as far as when your kids are in your yard, that can be a deterrent. If anyone broke in our house or if a stranger approached our girls in our yard there would be serious problems.

We have a German Shepherd and another dog that is a Shar Pei-yellow lab mix.

 

[Zow]

It's more in the neighborhood vs not in the neighborhood. This is a fairly closed off, residential neighborhood. Everyone walks around, knows each other, etc. If I expand the radius to 2 miles, there are like 15 but I'm not concerned about them, because they are across a highway and pretty much unaccessible unless they specifically drive to where we are.

This guy is actually less than a quarter mile away. My kid never goes into this particular area of the neighborhood, but if this guy goes on a average-length walk there is a really good chance he goes right by our house.

My concern is essentially now that I am aware of this potential danger, what steps should I take to protect my kid. It sounds like there is nothing I can do from a legal perspective: this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

Probation doesn't exactly force these people to live certain places. There may be some limitations such as x-distance from a school and whether a sex offender can transfer jurisdictions, but it's not like probation master plans where offenders live.

Right, and I don't think our system deals with pedophiles very well. They should be sent to mental treatment, not prison, and I think they should be treated differently than other parolees when they hit parole. It's not like spending ten years in prison suddenly cures you of your desire to diddle little kids. These people have severe mental illnesses that are never really treated, and most in the psych community feel can't be cured anyway.So if we know it's a mental illness, and an incredibly tough one to treat and cure, why do we just treat these folks like regular criminals?

From LA Times:

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

The more we learn about this the more that we see there's room for pity for these people. Obviously there's no room for them in society to offend and I'd probably kill one of them if my own child was victimized, but imagine if your sexual desires, through no choice of your own, could only be fulfilled with sexual contact with underage kids. That pretty much either reduces you to a life of crime and harm to others, or a life of celibacy and loneliness. That really sucks.

It's just a really tough problem to tackle socially and legally.

There have been times in human history when certain deviants weren't afforded the right to live and procreate. We're more enlightened today which is overwhelmingly a positive thing generally speaking, but we haven't figured out what to do with these people. It's a big gaping hole in a legal system that fails us in multiple ways.

Significantly disagree with the bolded for the following reasons.

1. Defining "these people" is incredibly difficult. There are a wide range of actions which could land a person on the registry. 21 year old sleeps with a 17 year old; somebody urinates in public numerous times; Stepfather sleeps with his 16 year old stepfather; Father sodomizes his 9 year old; Creepy stranger kidnaps a young child at night and does unspeakable things to her. Which one of these poses such danger that they cannot be rehabilitated and/or pose a significant threat to the average passerby that they need to be indefinitely incapacitated?

2. I'd agree there's no perfect solution, but in my jurisdiction at least the really "scary" offenders are very likely going away for life or some multiple decades time period. I can't imagine other jurisdictions are much different.

You really think this happens consistently?

Fortunately he's a couple miles away, but there is a 54 year old guy that lives in my town. Convicted of sexual conduct with a person under 13 in 2008 and then again in 2011. It's 2014 and he's obviously not in prison. You may not view his as really 'scary' but I have three kids under 10. He's damn scary.

1. This is probably going to sound very frustrating, but state codify sexual offenses a little differently. Therefore, we don't know exactly what he's alleged to have done or what "sexual conduct" actually means.

2. It does happen consistently in my jurisdiction. Decade plus is the minimum for serious sexual offenses.

 

[Joseph]

There's one in my neighborhood the next block over and a street up, convicted of sexual abuse with someone under 14. Lovely.

The problem with California's Megan's Law page, however, is that most of the profiles seem to have no dates on them. Many of the profiles seem to detail criminal activity from decades ago, judging from the age of these guys. It would be helpful to know that information.

How old was the offender when it happened? IIRC from when I last checked out my neighborhood three were quite a few of those, where the offender was 15 or 16 himself. Sex with a 13 year old isn't ok, but its a lot different situation when you're 15 than when you're 45.

 

[T Bell]

There's one in my neighborhood the next block over and a street up, convicted of sexual abuse with someone under 14. Lovely.

The problem with California's Megan's Law page, however, is that most of the profiles seem to have no dates on them. Many of the profiles seem to detail criminal activity from decades ago, judging from the age of these guys. It would be helpful to know that information.

How old was the offender when it happened? IIRC from when I last checked out my neighborhood three were quite a few of those, where the offender was 15 or 16 himself. Sex with a 13 year old isn't ok, but its a lot different situation when you're 15 than when you're 45.

It's tough to say, and that's more true the older they are. There's one guy a few miles from me who I saw had a (non-statutory, apparently) rape conviction dating to the 1970's, and he's in his 60's now. I won't completely disregard what he did, but he's seemingly kept out of trouble for 35 years.

 

[Zow]

There's one in my neighborhood the next block over and a street up, convicted of sexual abuse with someone under 14. Lovely.

The problem with California's Megan's Law page, however, is that most of the profiles seem to have no dates on them. Many of the profiles seem to detail criminal activity from decades ago, judging from the age of these guys. It would be helpful to know that information.

How old was the offender when it happened? IIRC from when I last checked out my neighborhood three were quite a few of those, where the offender was 15 or 16 himself. Sex with a 13 year old isn't ok, but its a lot different situation when you're 15 than when you're 45.

It's tough to say, and that's more true the older they are. There's one guy a few miles from me who I saw had a (non-statutory, apparently) rape conviction dating to the 1970's, and he's in his 60's now. I won't completely disregard what he did, but he's seemingly kept out of trouble for 35 years.

But if he actually raped somehow, he may have been incarcerated for s significant portion of that time.

 

[T Bell]

There's one in my neighborhood the next block over and a street up, convicted of sexual abuse with someone under 14. Lovely.

The problem with California's Megan's Law page, however, is that most of the profiles seem to have no dates on them. Many of the profiles seem to detail criminal activity from decades ago, judging from the age of these guys. It would be helpful to know that information.

How old was the offender when it happened? IIRC from when I last checked out my neighborhood three were quite a few of those, where the offender was 15 or 16 himself. Sex with a 13 year old isn't ok, but its a lot different situation when you're 15 than when you're 45.

It's tough to say, and that's more true the older they are. There's one guy a few miles from me who I saw had a (non-statutory, apparently) rape conviction dating to the 1970's, and he's in his 60's now. I won't completely disregard what he did, but he's seemingly kept out of trouble for 35 years.

But if he actually raped somehow, he may have been incarcerated for s significant portion of that time.

I'm going off of recollection but I think his release date was 1980, so he was incarcerated for ~3 years.

Anyway, it's a somewhat minor point given the high recidivism of child molesters in particular, but I'd still like to know that information. The website has information fields for it but most of them seem to be blank.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

this guy is a free man and can live with his mother if she allows it.

I do wish that more care was taken when placing these folks by their probation officers. Like I said, this is an extremely high-density area for families with small children, and he is within just a couple miles of my kids school.

It doesn't look like they place them anywhere - this guy moved in with his mother who happens to live in your neighborhood.

Just be careful and keep an eye on your kid - there's not much you can really do beyond that.

 

[Zow]

There's one in my neighborhood the next block over and a street up, convicted of sexual abuse with someone under 14. Lovely.

The problem with California's Megan's Law page, however, is that most of the profiles seem to have no dates on them. Many of the profiles seem to detail criminal activity from decades ago, judging from the age of these guys. It would be helpful to know that information.

How old was the offender when it happened? IIRC from when I last checked out my neighborhood three were quite a few of those, where the offender was 15 or 16 himself. Sex with a 13 year old isn't ok, but its a lot different situation when you're 15 than when you're 45.

It's tough to say, and that's more true the older they are. There's one guy a few miles from me who I saw had a (non-statutory, apparently) rape conviction dating to the 1970's, and he's in his 60's now. I won't completely disregard what he did, but he's seemingly kept out of trouble for 35 years.

But if he actually raped somehow, he may have been incarcerated for s significant portion of that time.

I'm going off of recollection but I think his release date was 1980, so he was incarcerated for ~3 years.

Anyway, it's a somewhat minor point given the high recidivism of child molesters in particular, but I'd still like to know that information. The website has information fields for it but most of them seem to be blank.

Totally agree that would be good information. If he's been "out" since 1980, odds are he's at least learned how to control his urges or whatever...

... Or just got really good at not getting caught.

 

[FigJam]

Here's a guy within 5 miles of my house (he's now 42)...

• Description: 750.520G2 - CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT SECOND DEGREE ASSAULT
• Date Convicted: 02/11/1994

• Description: 750.520G2 - CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT SECOND DEGREE ASSAULT
• Date Convicted: 07/31/1996

• Description: 750.520E1A - CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT - FOURTH DEGREE (Force or Coercion)
• Date Convicted: 09/18/2002

How the he11 is this guy still on the loose?

Edit: added his age...