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Would everyone please drop it. As a SoCal resident I’d like to see this thread remain open. I’m headed up to west LA tomorrow. I’m not going to do any looky loo garbage, but I’ll be close to the palisades.
Unless things change, we'll be in palisades sun morn. :thumbup:
Do you think you’ll get in? My FIL is still blocked from getting back to his house. He thinks it will be at least another week.
 
Would everyone please drop it. As a SoCal resident I’d like to see this thread remain open. I’m headed up to west LA tomorrow. I’m not going to do any looky loo garbage, but I’ll be close to the palisades.
Unless things change, we'll be in palisades sun morn. :thumbup:
Do you think you’ll get in? My FIL is still blocked from getting back to his house. He thinks it will be at least another week.
Just a worker bee. Don't do the logistics. We may get turned away to go somewhere else that makes better sense. That's what happened with us in Asheville when they found the ground in the area to unstable. Moved us to help in BlackMtn instead.
 
No. But it’s the cheapest, that’s why it’s being used

I have a feeling that line of reasoning is going to be seriously revisited. Smells like incompetence to me.


Open Memo to those that oversee this.

A) we are going to have dry seasons again
B) Santa Ana winds will continue to blow, every year for the rest of your lifetime

FIGURE IT OUT
Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen.

These disasters are only going to continue.
aka people that build houses on a side of a cliff and then are shocked when the house slides down the cliff
Really? How'd they even get insured? Seems not real bright on both ends.

When and where did this take place, approximately?


There are many more stories like this all over the US
I thought we were talking about the topic at hand...the fires in Cali. You mentioned cliffs and insurance.

Where and when?
maybe you didn't read the post I was replying too :shrug:

"Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen."

I was pointing out that it's the same old story where we are told by experts to not build in certain areas and yet we continue to do so and then have outrage when the experts are right
So wait, you are jumping from "decades of a society not listening", then pointing to a few examples of such? I don't want to argue but that's a bit of a stretch.

Like, I'm pretty familiar with Cali and its coastline, and all I'm asking is when and where did these instances take place exactly (of people building on the side of a cliff and whatnot"? At least of late actually, I'd like to know where this happened is all. And to what degree? It comes off as some sort of commonplace, of which I'll have to disagree on. This hasn't been the 50's for awhile now.
 
More hostile weather coming next week.

"“The bottom line is: we’re in uncharted territories this deep into the winter, or rainy season,” in having barely any rain, said Alex Tardy, meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in San Diego.

After mostly calm winds over the weekend, fire weather is expected to return Monday, with the peak threat arriving on Tuesday but could persist through Thursday, forecasters said. Red flag fire weather warnings are looking likely for portions of Los Angeles and Ventura counties, said Rose Schoenfeld, meteorologist for the National Weather Service office in Oxnard. All this fire weather comes amid a continuing record-setting dry spell. The last day downtown Los Angeles has seen more than one-tenth of an inch of rain on a single day was way back on May 5."
 
More hostile weather coming next week.

"“The bottom line is: we’re in uncharted territories this deep into the winter, or rainy season,” in having barely any rain, said Alex Tardy, meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in San Diego.

After mostly calm winds over the weekend, fire weather is expected to return Monday, with the peak threat arriving on Tuesday but could persist through Thursday, forecasters said. Red flag fire weather warnings are looking likely for portions of Los Angeles and Ventura counties, said Rose Schoenfeld, meteorologist for the National Weather Service office in Oxnard. All this fire weather comes amid a continuing record-setting dry spell. The last day downtown Los Angeles has seen more than one-tenth of an inch of rain on a single day was way back on May 5."
Wait, LA went an entire fall without any rain?

I distinctly remember as a kid that it would rain in November and December from time to time. That's insane that there's been no rain for 8 months straight.
 
Obviously awful what's happened to these homeowner and folks who lost their belongings. But it's important to remember that by far the most valuable part of that person's real estate still exists. The land. Those $10M and $20M homes are largely that valuable because of their location. Most of those homeowners will rebuild. The views from Palisades and its unique location overlooking the Pacific while being a short drive to the fruits of LA still exists.

In no way, shape, or form am I minimizing the devastation or suggesting those folks don't deserve our empathy. But that $10M home isn't now worth $0. The lot is still extremely valuable.
 
More hostile weather coming next week.

"“The bottom line is: we’re in uncharted territories this deep into the winter, or rainy season,” in having barely any rain, said Alex Tardy, meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in San Diego.

After mostly calm winds over the weekend, fire weather is expected to return Monday, with the peak threat arriving on Tuesday but could persist through Thursday, forecasters said. Red flag fire weather warnings are looking likely for portions of Los Angeles and Ventura counties, said Rose Schoenfeld, meteorologist for the National Weather Service office in Oxnard. All this fire weather comes amid a continuing record-setting dry spell. The last day downtown Los Angeles has seen more than one-tenth of an inch of rain on a single day was way back on May 5."
Wait, LA went an entire fall without any rain?

I distinctly remember as a kid that it would rain in November and December from time to time. That's insane that there's been no rain for 8 months straight.
It's been an insanely dry winter Z. And that's on the heels of a couple years of extremely wet winters. So tons of vegetation now just drying out.

Really the perfect storm with all the elements.
 
More hostile weather coming next week.

"“The bottom line is: we’re in uncharted territories this deep into the winter, or rainy season,” in having barely any rain, said Alex Tardy, meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in San Diego.

After mostly calm winds over the weekend, fire weather is expected to return Monday, with the peak threat arriving on Tuesday but could persist through Thursday, forecasters said. Red flag fire weather warnings are looking likely for portions of Los Angeles and Ventura counties, said Rose Schoenfeld, meteorologist for the National Weather Service office in Oxnard. All this fire weather comes amid a continuing record-setting dry spell. The last day downtown Los Angeles has seen more than one-tenth of an inch of rain on a single day was way back on May 5."
Wait, LA went an entire fall without any rain?

I distinctly remember as a kid that it would rain in November and December from time to time. That's insane that there's been no rain for 8 months straight.
It's been an insanely dry winter Z. And that's on the heels of a couple years of extremely wet winters. So tons of vegetation now just drying out.

Really the perfect storm with all the elements.
Driest on record. And that’s saying something with the droughts we’ve been through.
 
No. But it’s the cheapest, that’s why it’s being used

I have a feeling that line of reasoning is going to be seriously revisited. Smells like incompetence to me.


Open Memo to those that oversee this.

A) we are going to have dry seasons again
B) Santa Ana winds will continue to blow, every year for the rest of your lifetime

FIGURE IT OUT
Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen.

These disasters are only going to continue.
aka people that build houses on a side of a cliff and then are shocked when the house slides down the cliff
Really? How'd they even get insured? Seems not real bright on both ends.

When and where did this take place, approximately?


There are many more stories like this all over the US
I thought we were talking about the topic at hand...the fires in Cali. You mentioned cliffs and insurance.

Where and when?
maybe you didn't read the post I was replying too :shrug:

"Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen."

I was pointing out that it's the same old story where we are told by experts to not build in certain areas and yet we continue to do so and then have outrage when the experts are right
So wait, you are jumping from "decades of a society not listening", then pointing to a few examples of such? I don't want to argue but that's a bit of a stretch.

Like, I'm pretty familiar with Cali and its coastline, and all I'm asking is when and where did these instances take place exactly (of people building on the side of a cliff and whatnot"? At least of late actually, I'd like to know where this happened is all. And to what degree? It comes off as some sort of commonplace, of which I'll have to disagree on. This hasn't been the 50's for awhile now.
the 50’s? google it, i live in the state and every few years it happens. i’m having fun in vegas and popped in to pm someone when i saw this notification. It happens all the time
 
No. But it’s the cheapest, that’s why it’s being used

I have a feeling that line of reasoning is going to be seriously revisited. Smells like incompetence to me.


Open Memo to those that oversee this.

A) we are going to have dry seasons again
B) Santa Ana winds will continue to blow, every year for the rest of your lifetime

FIGURE IT OUT
Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen.

These disasters are only going to continue.
aka people that build houses on a side of a cliff and then are shocked when the house slides down the cliff
Really? How'd they even get insured? Seems not real bright on both ends.

When and where did this take place, approximately?


There are many more stories like this all over the US
I thought we were talking about the topic at hand...the fires in Cali. You mentioned cliffs and insurance.

Where and when?
maybe you didn't read the post I was replying too :shrug:

"Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen."

I was pointing out that it's the same old story where we are told by experts to not build in certain areas and yet we continue to do so and then have outrage when the experts are right
So wait, you are jumping from "decades of a society not listening", then pointing to a few examples of such? I don't want to argue but that's a bit of a stretch.

Like, I'm pretty familiar with Cali and its coastline, and all I'm asking is when and where did these instances take place exactly (of people building on the side of a cliff and whatnot"? At least of late actually, I'd like to know where this happened is all. And to what degree? It comes off as some sort of commonplace, of which I'll have to disagree on. This hasn't been the 50's for awhile now.
the 50’s? google it, i live in the state and every few years it happens. i’m having fun in vegas and popped in to pm someone when i saw this notification. It happens all the time
Dr Joe is right. You can Google this stuff by yourself. It makes the national news pretty much every time it happens.
 
No. But it’s the cheapest, that’s why it’s being used

I have a feeling that line of reasoning is going to be seriously revisited. Smells like incompetence to me.


Open Memo to those that oversee this.

A) we are going to have dry seasons again
B) Santa Ana winds will continue to blow, every year for the rest of your lifetime

FIGURE IT OUT
Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen.

These disasters are only going to continue.
aka people that build houses on a side of a cliff and then are shocked when the house slides down the cliff
Really? How'd they even get insured? Seems not real bright on both ends.

When and where did this take place, approximately?


There are many more stories like this all over the US
I thought we were talking about the topic at hand...the fires in Cali. You mentioned cliffs and insurance.

Where and when?
maybe you didn't read the post I was replying too :shrug:

"Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen."

I was pointing out that it's the same old story where we are told by experts to not build in certain areas and yet we continue to do so and then have outrage when the experts are right
So wait, you are jumping from "decades of a society not listening", then pointing to a few examples of such? I don't want to argue but that's a bit of a stretch.

Like, I'm pretty familiar with Cali and its coastline, and all I'm asking is when and where did these instances take place exactly (of people building on the side of a cliff and whatnot"? At least of late actually, I'd like to know where this happened is all. And to what degree? It comes off as some sort of commonplace, of which I'll have to disagree on. This hasn't been the 50's for awhile now.
the 50’s? google it, i live in the state and every few years it happens. i’m having fun in vegas and popped in to pm someone when i saw this notification. It happens all the time
All I'm asking is where and when? Save the "google it".
 
No. But it’s the cheapest, that’s why it’s being used

I have a feeling that line of reasoning is going to be seriously revisited. Smells like incompetence to me.


Open Memo to those that oversee this.

A) we are going to have dry seasons again
B) Santa Ana winds will continue to blow, every year for the rest of your lifetime

FIGURE IT OUT
Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen.

These disasters are only going to continue.
aka people that build houses on a side of a cliff and then are shocked when the house slides down the cliff
Really? How'd they even get insured? Seems not real bright on both ends.

When and where did this take place, approximately?


There are many more stories like this all over the US
I thought we were talking about the topic at hand...the fires in Cali. You mentioned cliffs and insurance.

Where and when?
maybe you didn't read the post I was replying too :shrug:

"Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen."

I was pointing out that it's the same old story where we are told by experts to not build in certain areas and yet we continue to do so and then have outrage when the experts are right
So wait, you are jumping from "decades of a society not listening", then pointing to a few examples of such? I don't want to argue but that's a bit of a stretch.

Like, I'm pretty familiar with Cali and its coastline, and all I'm asking is when and where did these instances take place exactly (of people building on the side of a cliff and whatnot"? At least of late actually, I'd like to know where this happened is all. And to what degree? It comes off as some sort of commonplace, of which I'll have to disagree on. This hasn't been the 50's for awhile now.
the 50’s? google it, i live in the state and every few years it happens. i’m having fun in vegas and popped in to pm someone when i saw this notification. It happens all the time
Dr Joe is right. You can Google this stuff by yourself. It makes the national news pretty much every time it happens.
LOL @ "Dr Joe". Are you into him a little bit? No offense, just curious.
 
No. But it’s the cheapest, that’s why it’s being used

I have a feeling that line of reasoning is going to be seriously revisited. Smells like incompetence to me.


Open Memo to those that oversee this.

A) we are going to have dry seasons again
B) Santa Ana winds will continue to blow, every year for the rest of your lifetime

FIGURE IT OUT
Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen.

These disasters are only going to continue.
aka people that build houses on a side of a cliff and then are shocked when the house slides down the cliff
Really? How'd they even get insured? Seems not real bright on both ends.

When and where did this take place, approximately?


There are many more stories like this all over the US
I thought we were talking about the topic at hand...the fires in Cali. You mentioned cliffs and insurance.

Where and when?
maybe you didn't read the post I was replying too :shrug:

"Reality is people don’t want to commit to the costs of fixing and mitigating these problems. Experts have been warning us for decades but as a society we don’t listen."

I was pointing out that it's the same old story where we are told by experts to not build in certain areas and yet we continue to do so and then have outrage when the experts are right
So wait, you are jumping from "decades of a society not listening", then pointing to a few examples of such? I don't want to argue but that's a bit of a stretch.

Like, I'm pretty familiar with Cali and its coastline, and all I'm asking is when and where did these instances take place exactly (of people building on the side of a cliff and whatnot"? At least of late actually, I'd like to know where this happened is all. And to what degree? It comes off as some sort of commonplace, of which I'll have to disagree on. This hasn't been the 50's for awhile now.
the 50’s? google it, i live in the state and every few years it happens. i’m having fun in vegas and popped in to pm someone when i saw this notification. It happens all the time
Dr Joe is right. You can Google this stuff by yourself. It makes the national news pretty much every time it happens.
LOL @ "Dr Joe". Are you into him a little bit? No offense, just curious.

It was clearly a typo.

Lets all loosen up a bit in here, huh? It's tragic what's happened and I hate seeing this thread get derailed with snark towards each other. My 2 cents.
 
Obviously awful what's happened to these homeowner and folks who lost their belongings. But it's important to remember that by far the most valuable part of that person's real estate still exists. The land. Those $10M and $20M homes are largely that valuable because of their location. Most of those homeowners will rebuild. The views from Palisades and its unique location overlooking the Pacific while being a short drive to the fruits of LA still exists.

In no way, shape, or form am I minimizing the devastation or suggesting those folks don't deserve our empathy. But that $10M home isn't now worth $0. The lot is still extremely valuable.
"Clark, that's the gift that keeps on giving the whole year"
 
Still no news on what caused the fires. Really hope the precise causes are known soon so that the city and state can start making the prevention adjustments necessary.
 
Still no news on what caused the fires. Really hope the precise causes are known soon so that the city and state can start making the prevention adjustments necessary.
Does the answer help the prevention? It seems the answer is either morher nature or people, and i don't know how you even fully prevent the 2nd one.
 
Still no news on what caused the fires. Really hope the precise causes are known soon so that the city and state can start making the prevention adjustments necessary.
Does the answer help the prevention? It seems the answer is either morher nature or people, and i don't know how you even fully prevent the 2nd one.

Great question as I've been thinking about this a lot.

Let's say the answer is that this was accidentally caused by human negligence (fireworks etc.)

Here's what I'd propose in a vacuum (not knowing what L.A. is already doing.)
1) Heavy emphasis on public education about how to prevent unintentional man-made fires. Emphasized in schools, emphasize in local govt communications etc. The training would be very specific to Los Angeles.

2) Some sort of volunteer watch in the surrounding areas, I'm thinking like watchtowers and people walking the areas consistently during high risk times. If they are already doing this, increase it 5X...whatever it takes to catch these causes immediately.

3) Some sort of rapid response mechanism on ground that can reach the fires as close to immediately as possible (again, focused on those times that are extreme high risk). Would need to be ground based obviously.

4) Bury electrical wires in the highest risk areas, or put in some sort of advance power line monitoring solution.

5) require homes next to the at-risk areas to be more fireproofed, new builds and to whatever extent possible, existing homes


I'm probably missing some practical solutions. I know that Los Angeles has financial troubles so the state may need to get involved to put in measures like these.

The most unacceptable response to these fires is deciding Los Angeles/California is already doing enough and that this was just a one-off event. If that tact is taken, we will undoubtedly see more disasters IMHO that may have been preventable.
 
Still no news on what caused the fires. Really hope the precise causes are known soon so that the city and state can start making the prevention adjustments necessary.
Does the answer help the prevention? It seems the answer is either morher nature or people, and i don't know how you even fully prevent the 2nd one.
You can't prevent either, even more so the first, which is why preparedness is paramount.
 
Still no news on what caused the fires. Really hope the precise causes are known soon so that the city and state can start making the prevention adjustments necessary.
Does the answer help the prevention? It seems the answer is either morher nature or people, and i don't know how you even fully prevent the 2nd one.

Great question as I've been thinking about this a lot.

Let's say the answer is that this was accidentally caused by human negligence (fireworks etc.)

Here's what I'd propose in a vacuum (not knowing what L.A. is already doing.)
1) Heavy emphasis on public education about how to prevent unintentional man-made fires. Emphasized in schools, emphasize in local govt communications etc. The training would be very specific to Los Angeles.

2) Some sort of volunteer watch in the surrounding areas, I'm thinking like watchtowers and people walking the areas consistently during high risk times. If they are already doing this, increase it 5X...whatever it takes to catch these causes immediately.

3) Some sort of rapid response mechanism on ground that can reach the fires as close to immediately as possible (again, focused on those times that are extreme high risk). Would need to be ground based obviously.

4) Bury electrical wires in the highest risk areas, or put in some sort of advance power line monitoring solution.

5) require homes next to the at-risk areas to be more fireproofed, new builds and to whatever extent possible, existing homes


I'm probably missing some practical solutions. I know that Los Angeles has financial troubles so the state may need to get involved to put in measures like these.

The most unacceptable response to these fires is deciding Los Angeles/California is already doing enough and that this was just a one-off event. If that tact is taken, we will undoubtedly see more disasters IMHO that may have been preventable.
OK. This will cost 10s of billions of dollars, and require tons of resources. Do you think taxpayers and citizens are willing to pay for increased rates and all the resources required for this?

I'm not disagreeing that we can and will need to do more moving forward. But every day we make choices about what to prioritize and what to take chances with. This idea that CALFIRE and CA's gov't are incompetent because of a natural disaster is insane.
 
OK. This will cost 10s of billions of dollars, and require tons of resources. Do you think taxpayers and citizens are willing to pay for increased rates and all the resources required for this?

I'm not disagreeing that we can and will need to do more moving forward. But every day we make choices about what to prioritize and what to take chances with. This idea that CALFIRE and CA's gov't are incompetent because of a natural disaster is insane.

I disagree with your estimate.

And I didn't say they were incompetent. But if they were competent, why would we need to do things differently?
 
Still no news on what caused the fires. Really hope the precise causes are known soon so that the city and state can start making the prevention adjustments necessary.
Does the answer help the prevention? It seems the answer is either morher nature or people, and i don't know how you even fully prevent the 2nd one.

Great question as I've been thinking about this a lot.

Let's say the answer is that this was accidentally caused by human negligence (fireworks etc.)

Here's what I'd propose in a vacuum (not knowing what L.A. is already doing.)
1) Heavy emphasis on public education about how to prevent unintentional man-made fires. Emphasized in schools, emphasize in local govt communications etc. The training would be very specific to Los Angeles.

2) Some sort of volunteer watch in the surrounding areas, I'm thinking like watchtowers and people walking the areas consistently during high risk times. If they are already doing this, increase it 5X...whatever it takes to catch these causes immediately.

3) Some sort of rapid response mechanism on ground that can reach the fires as close to immediately as possible (again, focused on those times that are extreme high risk). Would need to be ground based obviously.

4) Bury electrical wires in the highest risk areas, or put in some sort of advance power line monitoring solution.

5) require homes next to the at-risk areas to be more fireproofed, new builds and to whatever extent possible, existing homes


I'm probably missing some practical solutions. I know that Los Angeles has financial troubles so the state may need to get involved to put in measures like these.

The most unacceptable response to these fires is deciding Los Angeles/California is already doing enough and that this was just a one-off event. If that tact is taken, we will undoubtedly see more disasters IMHO that may have been preventable.
OK. This will cost 10s of billions of dollars, and require tons of resources. Do you think taxpayers and citizens are willing to pay for increased rates and all the resources required for this?

I'm not disagreeing that we can and will need to do more moving forward. But every day we make choices about what to prioritize and what to take chances with. This idea that CALFIRE and CA's gov't are incompetent because of a natural disaster is insane.
California is one of the highest taxed states in our wonderful country. Id assume the people of California don't believe higher taxes is the solution. Maybe take a look at where all the money is going, change some priorities, followed by a major reallocation of where the money goes. I know if my family and I lived there I would definitely approve increased fire budget at the expense of some other areas. Imo
 
OK. This will cost 10s of billions of dollars, and require tons of resources. Do you think taxpayers and citizens are willing to pay for increased rates and all the resources required for this?

I'm not disagreeing that we can and will need to do more moving forward. But every day we make choices about what to prioritize and what to take chances with. This idea that CALFIRE and CA's gov't are incompetent because of a natural disaster is insane.

I disagree with your estimate.

And I didn't say they were incompetent. But if they were competent, why would we need to do things differently?
Because we have new information?

Regarding estimates, if you think your proposals won't cost tens of billions, I think you're not being realistic.
 
Still no news on what caused the fires. Really hope the precise causes are known soon so that the city and state can start making the prevention adjustments necessary.
Does the answer help the prevention? It seems the answer is either morher nature or people, and i don't know how you even fully prevent the 2nd one.

Great question as I've been thinking about this a lot.

Let's say the answer is that this was accidentally caused by human negligence (fireworks etc.)

Here's what I'd propose in a vacuum (not knowing what L.A. is already doing.)
1) Heavy emphasis on public education about how to prevent unintentional man-made fires. Emphasized in schools, emphasize in local govt communications etc. The training would be very specific to Los Angeles.

2) Some sort of volunteer watch in the surrounding areas, I'm thinking like watchtowers and people walking the areas consistently during high risk times. If they are already doing this, increase it 5X...whatever it takes to catch these causes immediately.

3) Some sort of rapid response mechanism on ground that can reach the fires as close to immediately as possible (again, focused on those times that are extreme high risk). Would need to be ground based obviously.

4) Bury electrical wires in the highest risk areas, or put in some sort of advance power line monitoring solution.

5) require homes next to the at-risk areas to be more fireproofed, new builds and to whatever extent possible, existing homes


I'm probably missing some practical solutions. I know that Los Angeles has financial troubles so the state may need to get involved to put in measures like these.

The most unacceptable response to these fires is deciding Los Angeles/California is already doing enough and that this was just a one-off event. If that tact is taken, we will undoubtedly see more disasters IMHO that may have been preventable.
OK. This will cost 10s of billions of dollars, and require tons of resources. Do you think taxpayers and citizens are willing to pay for increased rates and all the resources required for this?

I'm not disagreeing that we can and will need to do more moving forward. But every day we make choices about what to prioritize and what to take chances with. This idea that CALFIRE and CA's gov't are incompetent because of a natural disaster is insane.
California is one of the highest taxed states in our wonderful country. Id assume the people of California don't believe higher taxes is the solution. Maybe take a look at where all the money is going, change some priorities, followed by a major reallocation of where the money goes. I know if my family and I lived there I would definitely approve increased fire budget at the expense of some other areas. Imo
Absolutely this will change priorities. But reality is that we don't just get to reallocate resources without forgoing other needs and opportunities. We can't just take billions from the "Waste" department and move it to fire prevention and it's painless.

That money will have to come from other priorities, like schools and health care (> 50% of the state budget). Money for other underfunded programs will have to be cut. It's ALWAYS a trade off.
 
Unless someone poured gas in a bunch of different areas and lit a match connected to long fuses, not sure the start matters that much. It seems any kind of fire would have probably set this off.
I'd think mitigating future devastation would be priority.
If ya catch someone who started a fire what do you do, 100 years in jail? Even if someone was caught committing arson do you charge them with burning down a city, and what does that look like?
Say some idiot was burning his jerk neighbors bush, and it burned down the city. I mean........
 
Unless someone poured gas in a bunch of different areas and lit a match connected to long fuses, not sure the start matters that much. It seems any kind of fire would have probably set this off.
I'd think mitigating future devastation would be priority.
If ya catch someone who started a fire what do you do, 100 years in jail? Even if someone was caught committing arson do you charge them with burning down a city, and what does that look like?
Say some idiot was burning his jerk neighbors bush, and it burned down the city. I mean........
I think it's usually based on value of property lost. But people dying ups the criminal charges big time.
 
OK. This will cost 10s of billions of dollars, and require tons of resources. Do you think taxpayers and citizens are willing to pay for increased rates and all the resources required for this?

I'm not disagreeing that we can and will need to do more moving forward. But every day we make choices about what to prioritize and what to take chances with. This idea that CALFIRE and CA's gov't are incompetent because of a natural disaster is insane.
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-I'm not here to tattle or report people, as I repeat all the time, I like TG and want to hear what he has to say BUT he seems to be able to keep making political/opinionated statements that are not factually based and just shut down anyone even suggesting different ideas. It's widely discussed in the media that this was not just a natural phenomenon

If TG wants to believe that, NO PROBLEM!!!! He is entitled to think whatever he wants but it's unfair to other posters and folks around here to walk into this thread just trying to find out updates and news and getting hit in the face with what is just an opinion and not based on facts whatsoever

Here is a fact that seems very difficult to post in here...The Palisades were almost bone dry meaning there was no water to put out the fires because the water where that would come from was drained and being repaired/refurbished and has been reported from dozens of outlets, it's just a fact. What happens after that fact is revealed is not a reason to withhold the facts around here.

If people want to start pointing fingers and naming local politicians then the FBG Mod to my knowledge will erase those posts and might provide a timeout for those posters involved
I certainly would not risk my enjoyment of the forums over it
None of that should change the reporting of facts into this thread, Facts are not emotional, it's the interpretations of the facts that causes in-fighting around here.

I just want everyone on the same page, it's not a swipe at TGunz, but if I were to post something similar that was calling for the removal vs the calling for supporting the local officials, I would likely be run out of the thread so let's not have double standards around here.

We can all agree on that, right?
 
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Unless someone poured gas in a bunch of different areas and lit a match connected to long fuses, not sure the start matters that much. It seems any kind of fire would have probably set this off.
I'd think mitigating future devastation would be priority.
If ya catch someone who started a fire what do you do, 100 years in jail? Even if someone was caught committing arson do you charge them with burning down a city, and what does that look like?
Say some idiot was burning his jerk neighbors bush, and it burned down the city. I mean........
I guess that first part was my thinking in my first question to trip above. My understanding is its like 95% people, and we know that. I'm not sure knowing if it was a bbq or fireworks or whatever helps much in preparation for helping control an outbreak like this. I assume there are already a bunch of laws and fines in place.
 
Unless someone poured gas in a bunch of different areas and lit a match connected to long fuses, not sure the start matters that much. It seems any kind of fire would have probably set this off.
I'd think mitigating future devastation would be priority.
If ya catch someone who started a fire what do you do, 100 years in jail? Even if someone was caught committing arson do you charge them with burning down a city, and what does that look like?
Say some idiot was burning his jerk neighbors bush, and it burned down the city. I mean........
I think it's usually based on value of property lost. But people dying ups the criminal charges big time.
I mean, yeah, but is some guy gonna get 900 years in jail and a 5 billion dollar fine for throwing a lit cigarette out the car window or something?
If someone purposely started a fire that led to this, sure, punish them, but it won't fix anything in the future. Lotta idiots out there.
 
Unless someone poured gas in a bunch of different areas and lit a match connected to long fuses, not sure the start matters that much. It seems any kind of fire would have probably set this off.
I'd think mitigating future devastation would be priority.
If ya catch someone who started a fire what do you do, 100 years in jail? Even if someone was caught committing arson do you charge them with burning down a city, and what does that look like?
Say some idiot was burning his jerk neighbors bush, and it burned down the city. I mean........
I think it's usually based on value of property lost. But people dying ups the criminal charges big time.
I mean, yeah, but is some guy gonna get 900 years in jail and a 5 billion dollar fine for throwing a lit cigarette out the car window or something?
If someone purposely started a fire that led to this, sure, punish them, but it won't fix anything in the future. Lotta idiots out there.
An accident isn't arson.
 
You can't prevent either, even more so the first, which is why preparedness is paramount.

Preparedness helps prevention or no?
Of course. Maybe my sentence wasn't super clear. You can't prevent winds from gusting 75mph+ or from random crazy people out of millions trying to start fires. But you can prepare for those rare, unfortunate, eventualities, in many ways (and to your point, hopefully prevent catastrophe).
 
Of course. Maybe my sentence wasn't super clear. You can't prevent winds from gusting 75mph+ or from random crazy people out of millions trying to start fires. But you can prepare for those rare, unfortunate, eventualities, in many ways (and to your point, hopefully prevent catastrophe).

exactly!! We are aligned!
 
Unless someone poured gas in a bunch of different areas and lit a match connected to long fuses, not sure the start matters that much. It seems any kind of fire would have probably set this off.
I'd think mitigating future devastation would be priority.
If ya catch someone who started a fire what do you do, 100 years in jail? Even if someone was caught committing arson do you charge them with burning down a city, and what does that look like?
Say some idiot was burning his jerk neighbors bush, and it burned down the city. I mean........
I think it's usually based on value of property lost. But people dying ups the criminal charges big time.
I mean, yeah, but is some guy gonna get 900 years in jail and a 5 billion dollar fine for throwing a lit cigarette out the car window or something?
If someone purposely started a fire that led to this, sure, punish them, but it won't fix anything in the future. Lotta idiots out there.
An accident isn't arson.
Ok??
 
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