Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Seem pretty late to the party with this. Looks like that ship sailed pages ago.
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Peggy
Footballguy
Agree with your sentiment, but, there is such things as hurricane prevention. New Orleans would be underwater every single year without it. They have the largest pump station in the world for example.
Max Power
Footballguy
I didn't think it was in reference to climate change. More the blaming of the government for the lack of preparedness.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Thanks Joe.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
All questions that never get a clear answer around here. The line is very blurry and always has been. I just know that posts far more subtle than some of the ones in here have been deleted from other threads for being "political". What "political" means in this forum continues to be very subjective.
Yeah, lots of gray. That's as clear an answer as you're going to get here. And of course it's subjective. If that doesn't work for you, we may not be able to provide what you're looking for.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
IMHO. Those that had an agenda in this thread were anything but subtle. Agree or disagree with them they were very obvious.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
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Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Right. And the posts remain where they'd be deleted in other threads.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
You make posts like this and they come across to me as if you don't have a choice to go the objective route instead.
the moops
Footballguy
Dude.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
The problem there is that there isn't really an "objective" route. Many aspects of this have some politcal content, which is true of most stuff. The adults just move right along. The juveniles want to troll. Sometimes it's obvious; sometimes it's kind of a fine line. And no one seems to agree on where any of the lines are.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
We'll agree to disagree. When one says "no politics", topics that have aspects of politics simply aren't allowed. Of course, that relegates the board to being a place to discuss a handful of things. And if someone tries to introduce politics where there is obviously no place (seen that several times here), remove them or the messages or whatever.
Again. There is lots of gray. That's as clear an answer as you're going to get here.
And of course it's subjective. If that doesn't work for you, we may not be able to provide what you're looking for.
Or maybe more to the point, we're doing our best here, Sparky.
It's a challenging issue to talk about news but keep the politics out of it. We're far from perfect. And it's subjective. And the moderators do their best doing an undesirable job.
And what we've been able to do is about as good as we're going to be able to do it.
It's a challenging issue to talk about news but keep the politics out of it. We're far from perfect. And it's subjective. And the moderators do their best doing an undesirable job.
And what we've been able to do is about as good as we're going to be able to do it.
Nipsey
Footballguy
Was texting with a buddy last night. He had to evacuate last weekend and took this picture as he was pulling away. Luckily, the fire did not reach his house.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
This should be the next FBGs t-shirt.
timschochet
Footballguy
So my in laws are moving to the apartment on Friday right after the furniture is moved in. The furniture is from a company called Cort Rentals who have a chain of stores in the area: you can rent a whole package of furniture for 6 months or a year. Pretty nice stuff. I talked to the sales manager when we were there and this has been a boon for them, customers lined up. There are always economic beneficiaries in every disaster and there’s nothing wrong with that so long as they don’t try to take advantage.
Next up is clothes and appliances- household and kitchen fare. It’s stunning to think about trying to do everything from scratch. My FIL has been washing his clothes at night at the hotel laundry- he has a couple sets of clothes and hasn’t had time to really think about it. Same for his wife.
Next up is clothes and appliances- household and kitchen fare. It’s stunning to think about trying to do everything from scratch. My FIL has been washing his clothes at night at the hotel laundry- he has a couple sets of clothes and hasn’t had time to really think about it. Same for his wife.
The Z Machine
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I just found out that my first gf from elementary school was burned out in the Palisades. I didn't keep in touch with her. I heard about it from a mutual friend.
My cousin lost his home entirely in the fires. He's safe and they had moved to a smaller place but his home was still full of many important things like paintings his mother had painted and irreplaceable things from his family. He has a great attitude on it and they're way better off than many but still hits close.
Chaos34
Footballguy
Where was the home?
SpurrierisisGod
Footballguy
@Sparky Polastri
Going to give you the benefit of the doubt here but when the owner of the place says there's a thin line we are toeing, mind your p's and q's. I haven't seen anything too political (for me anyway), but climate change and government intervention talk is inviting political discussion. Which is a no go.
As an aside, I know we have some cali folks, or at least some with family there, should we offer up some assistance of some sort here - bypass red cross or whatever. I know i have some clothes i could live without and lord knows my wife does too. Clothes my 8 year olds have outgrown etc. I'd rather do that than make a drive to goodwill.
Going to give you the benefit of the doubt here but when the owner of the place says there's a thin line we are toeing, mind your p's and q's. I haven't seen anything too political (for me anyway), but climate change and government intervention talk is inviting political discussion. Which is a no go.
As an aside, I know we have some cali folks, or at least some with family there, should we offer up some assistance of some sort here - bypass red cross or whatever. I know i have some clothes i could live without and lord knows my wife does too. Clothes my 8 year olds have outgrown etc. I'd rather do that than make a drive to goodwill.
Chaos34
Footballguy
local church here has taken an absolutely massive donation from my town a couple hours away. it's being delivered Saturday and I'm not kidding when I say two local truckers have filled 60' trailers and and that's just most of it. i chuckled thinking a bunch of well off angelenos being interested a used furniture from my town in the desert but we're a generous bunch. i hope it's not headed for the landfill. i'll post here if we're going to do it again and there's time for any to contribute.
it's not as direct as a local fbg, but this list has a few that do really good work without messing with the funds. Direct Relief and The World Central Kitchen in particular.
CGRdrJoe
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Unburned home in Pacific Palisades is damaged by landslide, highlighting new risk in wildfire zones
Fierce winds and devastating wildfires have shifted land in the burn areas of the Eaton and Palisades fires, raising the risk of mudslides and debris flows.
fatness
Footballguy
I think a lot of us have that inclination to do something to help.Do you know of any current reliable lists of what people in the area actually need? In past disasters I've sometimes read that what people have readily available and want to send doesn't always match up with what is needed at that time.
Thanks to you and to anyone with that answer.
Chaos34
Footballguy
the human society, animal rescues, shelters, etc., always say the same thing. they get tons of food. they prefer money.
Do you know of any current reliable lists of what people in the area actually need? In past disasters I've sometimes read that what people have readily available and want to send doesn't always match up with what is needed at that time.
Thanks to you and to anyone with that answer.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
A couple of quick hit pieces of advice for their insurance claim from your post.
For their personal property claim, their total loss items will likely be paid initially at actual cash value (depreciated to current value) and they will likely receive the replacement cost benefits when the items is actually repaired our replaced (usually within a time frame like 2-years). Don't wait to begin to compile receipts and cost for items they have already replaced as a folder or shoe box full of receipts to sift though is a nightmare. Instead, if they are a bit tech savvy, start an Excel Sheet with the item description, where they bought it, cost and date and then label the receipt with the Excel line number(s) of the items replaced. If they are not savvy in Excel, a legal pad can do the same.
For their additional living expense claim, the coverage generally provides for the reasonable and necessary increases in costs incurred to maintain their standard of living. The cost of the quarters going in the washers and dryers and possibly their hours "worked" to do the additional laundry may be compensable. I would start a similar sheet for this coverage (extra miles driven may be covered as well).
For their entire, starting a journal of some sort is a very good idea to track all interaction and activities.
the moops
Footballguy
This is an incredible post. 100% agree. If we have anyone who needs anything or know anyone who needs anything let's hear it.
El Floppo
Footballguy
My daughter said her best friend at school came in crying one day- apparently lost a friend (camp or family- unsure) in the fire. The chances of that seem so slight given the relatively low (still so many
) numbers who died...so my wife and I aren't sure if the girl got her facts wrong and it's that the girl lost her home, not her life. I'm hoping the former.We're in the process of having to clear my family home outside of SF to sell... was just talking to my local brother about what alour options are- hadn't thought of whether there might be some donation sites loading up trucks like yours. That would be our ideal way of having a house full of furniture get a new life. Texting him now... thanks!
Can confirm from when we went through this that this is an extremely tedious process, but as it's a total loss perhaps the insurers will work a little differently on this piece and provide a settlement amount to simplify recouping the depreciated amount.
When we went through it, as our contents weren't destroyed by fire but rather by all of the smoke damage from the fire in the kitchen, the insurance adjuster went through, inventoried everything from every room, and we received an initial check for the ACV. But, they will lowball all of those things. One example was all of our dishes. They initially entered ACV for what a set of generic dishes from say Target or Walmart would cost. Well, what we had was from our wedding and was a set from Crate & Barrel. I had to do what I could to find proof of that. C&B customer service came through here - from a picture of our smoky plate, and the timeframe of when we were married, they were able to identify the type of dishes we had, and they found a price list from that time as they had long since been discontinued. Had to provide that to insurance to get them to up the amount on those items. Had to do that for just about anything that wasn't just standard Target/Wal-Mart level things. Clothing, etc. Then the process of getting receipts for everything, submitting them and identifying line by line from the receipt what line item from the insurance inventory it tied to. As the fire affected our entire house, the inventory was broken out by room, so had to get to the level of things like - receipt for 6 towels, goes with lines 142 (towel that was in guest bathroom), line 274 (towel in master bathroom), etc. in order to get fully reimbursed.
All in all our insurance company did good by us, but if there was any aspect of the process I could see changed, it would be the reimbursement process for contents. It was the one step of the process that would make me think an independent adjuster could bring value just so that I wouldn't have had to deal with it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Good advice. Do you think it’s wise to hire an independent adjuster like Greenspan to negotiate for them with the insurance company?
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
I don't need to be scolded by anyone here. I get his decision. He wants to take this approach, that's his choice. His board his decision.
I'm headed out with a support group to help where we can. We've been to Asheville and central Florida over the last 5 months. I will be boots on the ground helping while finishing/defending my dissertation. Maybe I'll see you there?
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
This is an incredibly difficult question for me to answer. The % they take for their services has to come from somewhere, so its really a decision of is the cost of the convenience worth a reduction in possible settlement. You may want to start to the process and see if it overwhelms your in laws before making the decision to go this route.
fatness
Footballguy
Pretty terrifying article about one of the helicopters fighting the Eaton fire nearly getting blown out of the sky by the winds.
https://archive.ph/t53Wt
original NY Times link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/us/wildfires-copter-17.html
"But as soon as the three helicopters arrived at the fire, they were tossed around by the violent downdrafts — and equally jarring updrafts. During one stomach-churning plunge, Mr. Williams, who was piloting his Bell 412 behind Mr. Sagely’s Copter 17, peered down to his instrument panel and saw that he was falling at a rate of 1,000 feet per minute. He came within 400 feet of the valley floor. “I knew right away it was going to be potentially catastrophic, pushing the aircraft to the ground,” Mr. Williams said.
The pilots fought the winds with every limb. With their feet they adjusted the tail rotors. With their left hands, they urgently pulled up the collective, a lever used to change altitude, to compensate for the winds shoving them down. With their right hands, they jostled the cyclic stick, the lever that tilts the rotors, to try to keep the aircraft pointed into the wind.
The instruments were telling Mr. Sagely that the air speed hitting the front of his aircraft was 85 knots, around 98 m.p.h. Another indicator told him he was maintaining a ground speed of 11 knots. But when he looked out the window, he realized he was indeed traveling that speed — but backward, pushed by the winds."
https://archive.ph/t53Wt
original NY Times link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/us/wildfires-copter-17.html
"But as soon as the three helicopters arrived at the fire, they were tossed around by the violent downdrafts — and equally jarring updrafts. During one stomach-churning plunge, Mr. Williams, who was piloting his Bell 412 behind Mr. Sagely’s Copter 17, peered down to his instrument panel and saw that he was falling at a rate of 1,000 feet per minute. He came within 400 feet of the valley floor. “I knew right away it was going to be potentially catastrophic, pushing the aircraft to the ground,” Mr. Williams said.
The pilots fought the winds with every limb. With their feet they adjusted the tail rotors. With their left hands, they urgently pulled up the collective, a lever used to change altitude, to compensate for the winds shoving them down. With their right hands, they jostled the cyclic stick, the lever that tilts the rotors, to try to keep the aircraft pointed into the wind.
The instruments were telling Mr. Sagely that the air speed hitting the front of his aircraft was 85 knots, around 98 m.p.h. Another indicator told him he was maintaining a ground speed of 11 knots. But when he looked out the window, he realized he was indeed traveling that speed — but backward, pushed by the winds."
General Malaise
Footballguy
HS friend lost his home in Altadena. Family is safe but like your cousin, they lost everything. My buddy is an artist and one of our mutual friends bought me a painting of his a couple years ago for my Bday. I'm wondering if I should send that back to my friend who painted it once he gets settled. I know it's not much, but I just feel awful for them. I've donated some money already, but want to do more.
Sucks. :(
fatness
Footballguy
Finally some relief.
Largest LA wildfires have not grown in five days
Largest LA wildfires have not grown in five days
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Would buying one be better or did he lose a substantial amount of it? If he has stuff for sale somewhere, shoot me a link.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Good question, I honestly don't know and am not sure I should ask. I'll ask one of our mutual friends. My thought was I could send it back to him and he could sell it again. Or in the event he lost everything, maybe he'd want to keep it?
He paints as a hobby - his full time job is production design and art director for films and TV. He did the set design for Inception, This is Us, Chicago PD. Good dude. Just heartbreaking to read what he and his family are going through. And I know he's not alone - this is impacting so so so many. Just on a personal level, it hits hard as well.
And thanks, GB. You're a good egg.
I don't think anything they said is close to "scolding".
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Cool....i do
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
I responded to what I took issue with. I am not a fan of the vague innuendo approach that is so popular here. I try not to go that route whenever possible.
I'm not really interested in the back and forth on this stuff and a bunch of people trying to tell me I took something incorrectly or that I misunderstood or whatever. I made a big mistake by commenting on the political post in the first place. That was my bad. It's water is wet stuff at this point and doesn't need to be commented on any more. It is what it is. It also takes away from the problems needing to be addressed. As I said before, I'm headed out to help. Maybe paths from this thread will cross.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Would everyone please drop it. As a SoCal resident I’d like to see this thread remain open. I’m headed up to west LA tomorrow. I’m not going to do any looky loo garbage, but I’ll be close to the palisades.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Unless things change, we'll be in palisades sun morn.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Good luck. Stay safe.Unless things change, we'll be in palisades sun morn.
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