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So hungover this morning I accidently wore two different shoes (1 Viewer)
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I just don't want this to keep happening and eventually get rejected from BWW because I don't fit the mold of a wing slinger.
I went to bar tending school years ago. Left a message with them tonight that I'm a former student trying to get a copy of his certificate.
How difficult would it be to get a gig without any experience? If the money is good it doesn't have to be short term.
-fish-
Footballguy
You can get a barback job at a busy place and work your way into a bartending gig while you pick up server shifts at the same time.
MikeIke
Footballguy
I'm no expert, but I can't imagine finding a bartending job is too difficult. Especially if you've gone to tending school.
-fish-
Footballguy
don't listen to me. I just bartended and then managed restaurants before I went to law school.
All I remember is how to count the pours and don't stick the glasses in the ice because they can break.
Dont remember how to make a single drink they taught us. I hope bats have recipe books back there.
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-fish-
Footballguy
Bartending is all about being personable, getting along with people and having flexible hours because everyone in the restaurant industry is a flake.
Experience doesn't matter all that much, except you aren't getting weekend night shifts right away without it.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Stop taking it personally. I'm a hiring manager and I don't always hire the best candidate. I don't want to turn over the position twice a year. I may take someone less qualified to keep the budget down and create stability, even if a different candidate may be more qualified. I also may not hire someone who comes off as a Pollyanna given that I know it's a workplace where a lot of salty language is used. I don't need someone going to HR every week and alienating all his colleagues.
Point is, you gain nothing by turning this over in your head and either letting it shake your confidence or curse their misjudgment. #### it. They didn't hire you. Move on.
MikeIke
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
Probably not, unless I was running a fine dining place and needed a bartender. For any other gig, I'd think you wouldn't fit in.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If you know what you're doing, fake experience. Restaurants and bars close all the time. Say you worked at a place up in NY that's been closed for years.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
He's 100 percent right. Be personable and most importantly, be reliable. Don't call out. That's really all you need to do to keep a job if you're remotely capable.
-fish-
Footballguy
he doesn't know how to make any drinks. he can't fake it.
the pitch that will work is "I went to bartending school, but ended up not doing it a lot. I want to get behind the bar but I'm totally willing to barback and take server shifts as I work into it." Every restaurant/bar manager needs a utility infielder.
-fish-
Footballguy
Usually bartending "interviews" are something really short and informal to go over your resume. Then they call you back, sit down at the bar and ask you to make three or four different drinks while they talk to you. I can tell just by the way you move behind a bar whether you can do it or not without even tasting the drinks. If you can't and I still like you, I'll offer you a barback job.
Evilgrin 72
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My wife is a manager at a hotel and they go through F&B workers like toilet paper. If you're reliable, as long as you're not a complete bumbling fool, you'll get regular shifts. If you become really good at the job, you can easily make a very serviceable career out of it. I have a few friends that followed this exact path and make a decent living doing it.
MikeIke
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Definitely. I thought he had some experience and needed to fluff it out.
Just tell them you were born to slang drinks AND that wood in your pants.
-fish-
Footballguy
Yep. If you're good, shifts don't matter because everyone trades to accommodate their schedules--which is why they work in the industry in the first place. Take a job with ####ty lunch shifts if you have to, then start trading for better shifts with bigger tips. Just try to avoid breakfast on weekends at all costs.
Should I add " I would like to recommend to first-timers our signature blended drink, Caribbean Paradise. People say it's better than an busting a nut."?
-fish-
Footballguy
all depends. it's about moving around the bar and understanding how it's laid out. you have to move quickly, but not frantically. if you look lost or you have to think about it, you're not ready to tend bar at any place that's busy enough to make money. the best way to learn that is to barback.
-fish-
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
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I'm sure I could memorize a few dozen popular drinks from a cocktail book.
they probably wouldn't throw me anything too crazy out of left field.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Just make sure you have proper lighting. And then sing the "I just want to tell you all go f*** yourselllllllves...." song.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Probably not. Most customers won't either. But fish is dead on, they want to see you move smoothly and confidently behind the bar. I think the approach he recommended is best for you.
Evilgrin 72
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
True. Everything in moderation. A lesson it took me nearly 30 years to learn and I still forget/ignore on occasion.
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
RnR how reliable is your car? A friend of mine that needed extra cash got a job delivering pizza in a nice neighborhood. He's making about $15 - $20 an hour and works 3 nights a week. It could give you a little money while you are looking for a permanent position.
Galileo
Footballguy
2008 Pontiac G5 155k miles but runs great. I've had it about 4 months with no issues.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I would kill for this job if I could forsake my salary. Drive around blasting Slayer and slinging pizzas. Easiest job in the world. If I still smoked weed, it would be even better.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I can't smoke anymore. One day, when I was around your age, it just turned on me. Every time I smoke, my heart starts beating too fast, I get sweaty and short of breath, feel (unpleasantly) light-headed, etc. It sucks, I loved getting stoned.
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
You would probably get a few pizza each shift to, so you would have a meal taken care of.
That's not going to help my diet. I'll have to give them to the homeless or I'll start looking like a walking beef ravioli
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Yeah, I tried many times after and it was always the same. When I was in Amsterdam, I bought some low THC stuff and was fine after 1-2 hits, but anything more than that and it was bad news. Took one hit of some Cannabis Cup winning stuff and that was game over. Haven't tried since.
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