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Some sick Steven Jackson footage (1 Viewer)

I've always liked his production after the catch and after the first hit.

and he's a great red zone threat.

SJax is one more in that influx of talent at RB - they really are a dime a dozen in the NFL, even if you don't feel like there are plenty to spare in FF.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Where's the highlight video of the 75 odd carries he had last year where he gained zero or negative yards.
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Is that really a true stat? :shock: That would be like 5 carries a game since he only played in 15.I have the 5th pick in 2 leagues. I have a feeling I may go Barber in one and SJax in the other just so I don't end up relying on the same guy in 2 leagues.And I will admit I have man love for Sjax, he is my favorite NFL runner to watch.
 
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SJax averaged 1.9 yards per rush inside the opponents 20 last year.

Here's some details if anyone is interested

Code: 
Marcel Shipp	27	29	1.1						Curtis Martin	42	77	1.8						Steven Jackson	39	74	1.9						Julius Jones	34	65	1.9						Reuben Droughns	35	75	2.1						Willis McGahee	65	140	2.2						Jamal Lewis	41	90	2.2						Stephen Davis	36	81	2.3						Priest Holmes	30	69	2.3						Jerome Bettis	43	104	2.4						DeShaun Foster	31	75	2.4						Greg Jones	28	68	2.4						Warrick Dunn	36	88	2.4						Marion Barber III	42	105	2.5						Kevin Jones	32	80	2.5						Thomas Jones	40	102	2.6						LaMont Jordan	42	108	2.6						Chris Brown	36	93	2.6						Rudi Johnson	67	177	2.6						Ricky Williams	29	77	2.7						Mike Anderson	57	157	2.8						Tatum Bell	38	106	2.8						LaDainian Tomlinson	55	155	2.8						Edgerrin James	78	229	2.9						Clinton Portis	51	155	3.0						Cadillac Williams	32	98	3.1						Tiki Barber	54	169	3.1						Corey Dillon	34	107	3.2						Ronnie Brown	30	101	3.4						Shaun Alexander	69	236	3.4						Larry Johnson	65	223	3.4
Worst to Best
 
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I can manipulate statistics too!!

He had 11 rushes inside the 5 and scired 5 TDs.

He was thrown to 8 times inside the 20 and scored 2 TDs.

He rushed the ball 39 times inside the 20 and scored 7 TDs.

I don't care anout YPR or YPC insuide the 20 - I care about TDs.

46 touches inside the 20, 9 TDs.

Like I said, he is good inside the 20.

 
That highlight video IMHO is a portrait of a runner who gives his numbers to the defense.

What I mean is this - Is it me or do you rarely see him put his shoulder pads down (unless someone is tripping him)?

It just seems to me that runners that have running styles like that tend to get creamed at some point, usually when they lose a step (whether due to age or injury). Examples that pop to mind are Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson and Chris Brown. I could think of more (those just pop to mind), but this is just a general observation and I'm asking other peoples opinions on this.

Do you think his running styles lends itself to more contact and more contact in places other than his shoulder pads?

 
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Hairy Snowman said:
That highlight video IMHO is a portrait of a runner who gives his numbers to the defense. What I mean is this - Is it me or do you rarely see him put his shoulder pads down (unless someone is tripping him)? It just seems to me that runners that have running styles like that tend to get creamed at some point, usually when they lose a step (whether due to age or injury). Examples that pop to mind are Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson and Chris Brown. I could think of more (those just pop to mind), but this is just a general observation and I'm asking other peoples opinions on this.Do you think his running styles lends itself to more contact and more contact in places other than his shoulder pads?
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Eddie George as well
 
I love S-Jax as being a rams fan but I do have to say he does dance alot behind the line for a man his size. Sometimes he has to learn to put his head down and pick up 3 yards when there is nothing there. As a talent perspective however he is tough. He has the size, speed and power to be something special. I just hope he can be as good as he already thinks he is this year.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Maybe it's me but that wasn't all that impressive for a highlight video.
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I certainly agree - but what we need to remind ourselves is that this footage is against NFL defenders... and not the usual "future top5 pick" highlight reel that we see from a guy that runs against defenders that wouldn't tackle anyone with decent moves... that was the only thing that I looked at...But like you mentioned - nothing ESPNesque in there...
 
The thing I take from the video is that he has deceptive speed in getting to the outside for a guy his size, but I agree that his upright running style hurts him when he's running in traffic and taking hits.

 
I like the guy - but that wasn't much of a highlight reel unless you're into decent blocking (you could drive a truck through some of those holes) or a few examples of poor tackling. A higlight reel should show the downs where he juked someone out of their shoes or seriously broke some tackles that looked sewn up or blow by a defender that looked like he had an angle.

 
i personally am not a fan of Eddie George 2 but for those who are...you might want to keep an eye on this...

Rams RB Jackson strains Achilles heel

Associated Press

8/7/2006

RB Steven Jackson was pulled from practice early with a strained Achilles heel. Linehan said the move was simply precautionary. "It bothered him last week and he's been taping it," Linehan said.

some funny stuff on you tube...can you believe someone put together a mark bradley 4 min. highlight tape...lol...now thats funny....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJYRPR1QJmo

 
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Marc Levin said:
I can manipulate statistics too!!He had 11 rushes inside the 5 and scired 5 TDs.He was thrown to 8 times inside the 20 and scored 2 TDs.He rushed the ball 39 times inside the 20 and scored 7 TDs.I don't care anout YPR or YPC insuide the 20 - I care about TDs.46 touches inside the 20, 9 TDs.Like I said, he is good inside the 20.
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:goodposting:
 
Anyone worried about Moe Williams by the goalline. Linehan was the guy that ruined most of the Vinkings running back values by inserting Moe everytime they got within the 10 yard line. Jackson is a much better runner and a larger runner than anything the Vikings ever had, but Linehan might still have some Moe man-love.

 
Highly likely Moe gets all the carries within the 5 yard line. Moe should end up with about 10-12 TDS and S. Jax will get the rest, like 3 or 4.

 
To be honest, I've never been all that impressed to date with Jackson. It seems it takes him an eternity to get to the line.

 
Noahs Troopers said:
Highly likely Moe gets all the carries within the 5 yard line. Moe should end up with about 10-12 TDS and S. Jax will get the rest, like 3 or 4.
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Moe might get 4 to 5 td's at most this year. Williams will replace Jackson only when he's tired or uneffective. S-Jax will get the first crack at the endzone as long as he's rested.
 
Around this time next year we will be asking who should go #1? S-jax or ______

The guy is a beast..whoever made the eddie george comparison needs to put their glasses on.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...n-jackson_x.htm

Entering his third season, Jackson has goals of 1,600 yards and 15 touchdowns. He makes no secret that he wants the fame that would accompany those numbers.

"I don't need to be a household name because I want to be recognized," Jackson said. "I want to be a household name because I believe I have a gift."

The obvious part of that gift is the bruising style of the 6-2, 231-pound Jackson. In one of only two games in which he carried 25 times last season, Jackson posted a career-high 179 yards vs. the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Jackson's obsession with numbers also is made clear by the one he chose for his uniform — 39.

Jackson's father, Steve, suggested No. 39 because that's how many books are in the Old Testament of the Bible. His son wanted it for another reason — because the last big-name feature back to wear 39 was Larry Csonka with the Miami Dolphins in the 1970s.

"If I see a kid wearing 39, I'll know it's because of me," Jackson said.

 
Alluro said:
Around this time next year we will be asking who should go #1? S-jax or ______

The guy is a beast..whoever made the eddie george comparison needs to put their glasses on.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...n-jackson_x.htm

Entering his third season, Jackson has goals of 1,600 yards and 15 touchdowns. He makes no secret that he wants the fame that would accompany those numbers.

"I don't need to be a household name because I want to be recognized," Jackson said. "I want to be a household name because I believe I have a gift."

The obvious part of that gift is the bruising style of the 6-2, 231-pound Jackson. In one of only two games in which he carried 25 times last season, Jackson posted a career-high 179 yards vs. the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Jackson's obsession with numbers also is made clear by the one he chose for his uniform — 39.

Jackson's father, Steve, suggested No. 39 because that's how many books are in the Old Testament of the Bible. His son wanted it for another reason — because the last big-name feature back to wear 39 was Larry Csonka with the Miami Dolphins in the 1970s.

"If I see a kid wearing 39, I'll know it's because of me," Jackson said.
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Doubt it. Takes far too many losses. Nearly 40% of his carries last year resulted in a gain of one yard or less and that was against a very easy run schedule overall. Give him a nice big hole and let him pick up a head of steam and he's impressive. Get him out into space catching the ball and he's impressive. As far as making or finding his own room to run and he's severely lacking.
 
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Big Score said:
Bears_Man2 said:
To be honest, I've never been all that impressed to date with Jackson. It seems it takes him an eternity to get to the line.
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Did you watch the video clip? Seems to me he got to the line pretty darn quick. :shrug:
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He's a one-cut runner. He seems to like to start parallel to the line and then cut upfield. I will say that on top of his deceptive speed, he also reads and sets up his blocks well. Again though, this is all outside running skills.
 
dickey moe said:
RAIDERNATION said:
As I'm watching that video, the only thing I kept thinking is....

GOD, I wish the Rams were still wearing these jerseys.

:shrug:
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As I'm watching that video, the only thing I kept thinking is....GOD, I wish the Cowboys had drafted him instead of Julius Jones.
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Do you really think that Parcells would go for his running style? Parcells seems to want his RB's to hit the line hard and fast, and not lose yardage, even if that means that they're averaging less than 4 yards per carry. That, for him, keeps down and distance manageable. While Jackson probably has a skill set superior to Jones', his habit of waiting to make his cut and the greater risk of losing yardage would probably drive Parcells nuts.

 
Marc Levin said:
I've always liked his production after the catch and after the first hit.

and he's a great red zone threat.

SJax is one more in that influx of talent at RB - they really are a dime a dozen in the NFL, even if you don't feel like there are plenty to spare in FF.
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I'd call Alexander and LT (and even Dillon) great redzone threats, not Jackson. He is decent though and falls in the next grouping along with James, Jordan, Portis, etc....Below shows player name, redzone touches, and scoring percentage from the redzone.

Dillon,  Corey - 36 36.10%

Alexander,  Shaun - 70 35.70%

Westbrook,  Brian - 21 28.60%

Rhodes,  Dominic - 14 28.60%

Tomlinson,  LaDainian - 57 28.10%

Johnson,  Larry - 64 23.40%

Jordan,  LaMont - 48 22.90%

Jones,  Thomas - 38 21.10%

Jackson, Steven - 46 19.60%

Portis,  Clinton - 49 18.40%

James,  Edgerrin - 76 18.40%

Johnson,  Rudi - 66 18.20%

Davis,  Domanick - 23 17.40%

Jones,  Kevin - 33 15.20%

Brown,  Chris - 34 14.70%

Williams,  Carnell - 35 14.30%

Gore,  Frank - 7 14.30%

Barber,  Tiki - 54 13.00%

Jones,  Julius - 31 12.90%

Bell,  Tatum - 39 12.80%

Parker,  Willie - 24 12.50%

Martin,  Curtis - 40 12.50%

McAllister,  Deuce - 28 10.70%

Brown,  Ronnie - 32 9.40%

Lewis,  Jamal - 44 9.10%

McGahee,  Willis - 64 7.80%

Taylor,  Fred - 26 7.70%

Foster,  DeShaun - 34 5.90%

Taylor,  Chester - 20 5.00%

Dunn,  Warrick - 33 3.00%

Droughns,  Reuben - 35 2.90%

Green,  Ahman - 4 0.00%

Benson,  Cedric - 4 0.00%

 
Blitzkrieg88 said:
Marc Levin said:
I've always liked his production after the catch and after the first hit.

and he's a great red zone threat.

SJax is one more in that influx of talent at RB - they really are a dime a dozen in the NFL, even if you don't feel like there are plenty to spare in FF.
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I'd call Alexander and LT (and even Dillon) great redzone threats, not Jackson. He is decent though and falls in the next grouping along with James, Jordan, Portis, etc....Below shows player name, redzone touches, and scoring percentage from the redzone.

Dillon,  Corey - 36 36.10%

Alexander,  Shaun - 70 35.70%

Westbrook,  Brian - 21 28.60%

Rhodes,  Dominic - 14 28.60%

Tomlinson,  LaDainian - 57 28.10%

Johnson,  Larry - 64 23.40%

Jordan,  LaMont - 48 22.90%

Jones,  Thomas - 38 21.10%

Jackson, Steven - 46 19.60%

Portis,  Clinton - 49 18.40%

James,  Edgerrin - 76 18.40%

Johnson,  Rudi - 66 18.20%

Davis,  Domanick - 23 17.40%

Jones,  Kevin - 33 15.20%

Brown,  Chris - 34 14.70%

Williams,  Carnell - 35 14.30%

Gore,  Frank - 7 14.30%

Barber,  Tiki - 54 13.00%

Jones,  Julius - 31 12.90%

Bell,  Tatum - 39 12.80%

Parker,  Willie - 24 12.50%

Martin,  Curtis - 40 12.50%

McAllister,  Deuce - 28 10.70%

Brown,  Ronnie - 32 9.40%

Lewis,  Jamal - 44 9.10%

McGahee,  Willis - 64 7.80%

Taylor,  Fred - 26 7.70%

Foster,  DeShaun - 34 5.90%

Taylor,  Chester - 20 5.00%

Dunn,  Warrick - 33 3.00%

Droughns,  Reuben - 35 2.90%

Green,  Ahman - 4 0.00%

Benson,  Cedric - 4 0.00%
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This is a highly flawed way of rating runners; it's a far better way to rate teams, but because this is of course retrospective, that only helps you so much. For example, do you really think at this stage of their careers that Corey Dillon and Dominic Rhodes are superior to Clinton Portis as red zone runners? I've always thought that the red zone was too broadly defined to be of any value beyond a general discription of game situation. Do you really think that teams call the same plays from the 19 yard line that they call from the 4 yard line?

 
redman said:
Blitzkrieg88 said:
Marc Levin said:
I've always liked his production after the catch and after the first hit.

and he's a great red zone threat.

SJax is one more in that influx of talent at RB - they really are a dime a dozen in the NFL, even if you don't feel like there are plenty to spare in FF.
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I'd call Alexander and LT (and even Dillon) great redzone threats, not Jackson. He is decent though and falls in the next grouping along with James, Jordan, Portis, etc....Below shows player name, redzone touches, and scoring percentage from the redzone.

Dillon,  Corey - 36 36.10%

Alexander,  Shaun - 70 35.70%

Westbrook,  Brian - 21 28.60%

Rhodes,  Dominic - 14 28.60%

Tomlinson,  LaDainian - 57 28.10%

Johnson,  Larry - 64 23.40%

Jordan,  LaMont - 48 22.90%

Jones,  Thomas - 38 21.10%

Jackson, Steven - 46 19.60%

Portis,  Clinton - 49 18.40%

James,  Edgerrin - 76 18.40%

Johnson,  Rudi - 66 18.20%

Davis,  Domanick - 23 17.40%

Jones,  Kevin - 33 15.20%

Brown,  Chris - 34 14.70%

Williams,  Carnell - 35 14.30%

Gore,  Frank - 7 14.30%

Barber,  Tiki - 54 13.00%

Jones,  Julius - 31 12.90%

Bell,  Tatum - 39 12.80%

Parker,  Willie - 24 12.50%

Martin,  Curtis - 40 12.50%

McAllister,  Deuce - 28 10.70%

Brown,  Ronnie - 32 9.40%

Lewis,  Jamal - 44 9.10%

McGahee,  Willis - 64 7.80%

Taylor,  Fred - 26 7.70%

Foster,  DeShaun - 34 5.90%

Taylor,  Chester - 20 5.00%

Dunn,  Warrick - 33 3.00%

Droughns,  Reuben - 35 2.90%

Green,  Ahman - 4 0.00%

Benson,  Cedric - 4 0.00%
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This is a highly flawed way of rating runners; it's a far better way to rate teams, but because this is of course retrospective, that only helps you so much. For example, do you really think at this stage of their careers that Corey Dillon and Dominic Rhodes are superior to Clinton Portis as red zone runners? I've always thought that the red zone was too broadly defined to be of any value beyond a general discription of game situation. Do you really think that teams call the same plays from the 19 yard line that they call from the 4 yard line?
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Not ranking runners based on redzone scoring percentage, just replying to Mark Levin's post about Jackson being a great redzone threat. These were the best stats I could find supporting/negating that statement. How would you classify somebody as a great redzone threat?
 
Blitzkrieg88 said:
redman said:
Blitzkrieg88 said:
Marc Levin said:
I've always liked his production after the catch and after the first hit.

and he's a great red zone threat.

SJax is one more in that influx of talent at RB - they really are a dime a dozen in the NFL, even if you don't feel like there are plenty to spare in FF.
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I'd call Alexander and LT (and even Dillon) great redzone threats, not Jackson. He is decent though and falls in the next grouping along with James, Jordan, Portis, etc....Below shows player name, redzone touches, and scoring percentage from the redzone.

Dillon,  Corey - 36 36.10%

Alexander,  Shaun - 70 35.70%

Westbrook,  Brian - 21 28.60%

Rhodes,  Dominic - 14 28.60%

Tomlinson,  LaDainian - 57 28.10%

Johnson,  Larry - 64 23.40%

Jordan,  LaMont - 48 22.90%

Jones,  Thomas - 38 21.10%

Jackson, Steven - 46 19.60%

Portis,  Clinton - 49 18.40%

James,  Edgerrin - 76 18.40%

Johnson,  Rudi - 66 18.20%

Davis,  Domanick - 23 17.40%

Jones,  Kevin - 33 15.20%

Brown,  Chris - 34 14.70%

Williams,  Carnell - 35 14.30%

Gore,  Frank - 7 14.30%

Barber,  Tiki - 54 13.00%

Jones,  Julius - 31 12.90%

Bell,  Tatum - 39 12.80%

Parker,  Willie - 24 12.50%

Martin,  Curtis - 40 12.50%

McAllister,  Deuce - 28 10.70%

Brown,  Ronnie - 32 9.40%

Lewis,  Jamal - 44 9.10%

McGahee,  Willis - 64 7.80%

Taylor,  Fred - 26 7.70%

Foster,  DeShaun - 34 5.90%

Taylor,  Chester - 20 5.00%

Dunn,  Warrick - 33 3.00%

Droughns,  Reuben - 35 2.90%

Green,  Ahman - 4 0.00%

Benson,  Cedric - 4 0.00%
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This is a highly flawed way of rating runners; it's a far better way to rate teams, but because this is of course retrospective, that only helps you so much. For example, do you really think at this stage of their careers that Corey Dillon and Dominic Rhodes are superior to Clinton Portis as red zone runners? I've always thought that the red zone was too broadly defined to be of any value beyond a general discription of game situation. Do you really think that teams call the same plays from the 19 yard line that they call from the 4 yard line?
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Not ranking runners based on redzone scoring percentage, just replying to Mark Levin's post about Jackson being a great redzone threat. These were the best stats I could find supporting/negating that statement. How would you classify somebody as a great redzone threat?
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I would define that purely as touches (and scores) inside the five, and touches and scores inside the ten. Do both, because it helps differentiate guys who are multiple threats (receivers as well as runners) from the Leroy Hoards of the world. The 20 yard line is too far out to be of any great value in this analysis, at least as far as RB's go; it's more useful as to TE's and WR's.
 
i liked the video :shrug:

except for the play where he catches a pass and gets tripped up. not sure why that's in there.

 
redman said:
I would define that purely as touches (and scores) inside the five, and touches and scores inside the ten. Do both, because it helps differentiate guys who are multiple threats (receivers as well as runners) from the Leroy Hoards of the world. The 20 yard line is too far out to be of any great value in this analysis, at least as far as RB's go; it's more useful as to TE's and WR's.
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Well RBs that are also receiving threats (westy, LT, jordan) have the added dimension of being able to take it in from the 20 on a pass play. showing only from the 5 and 10 would show better stats for pure runners, whereas showing from the 20 and in evens out the playing field for rbs with the added dimension of being able to catch it and take it in for the score. there are different ways to be a "redzone threat" and showing from the 20 and in doesn't favor either one, whereas showing from the 5 or 10 and in would IMO.
 
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TheLastDispatch said:
redman said:
I would define that purely as touches (and scores) inside the five, and touches and scores inside the ten. Do both, because it helps differentiate guys who are multiple threats (receivers as well as runners) from the Leroy Hoards of the world. The 20 yard line is too far out to be of any great value in this analysis, at least as far as RB's go; it's more useful as to TE's and WR's.
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Well RBs that are also receiving threats (westy, LT, jordan) have the added dimension of being able to take it in from the 20 on a pass play. showing only from the 5 and 10 would show better stats for pure runners, whereas showing from the 20 and in evens out the playing field for rbs with the added dimension of being able to catch it and take it in for the score. there are different ways to be a "redzone threat" and showing from the 20 and in doesn't favor either one, whereas showing from the 5 or 10 and in would IMO.
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You may be right on that. I think the goal of my analysis would be to try to separate guys who are essentially not in the game from the 10 or 5 yard line in (e.g. Warrick Dunn, Tiki Barber), from guys who are purely goalline runners (e.g. Jacobs, Duckett), from guys who have a role in the offense in the entire red zone (LT, Portis, etc.). A simple "red zone" analysis doesn't allow you to do that very well.
 
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