Somewhat suspect qb rankings for week 8 (1 Viewer)

[Dexter Manley]

I'm not sure how much detail I can write about here since it's subscriber info, so edit/delete if necessary. How is Matt Schaub not ranked in the top 5 for this week in the QB rankings?

Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati. Schaub has also been en fuego of late, and the Texans offense has been firing on all cylinders. Are there really people in the shark pool that would start Delhomme and/or Big Ben over Schaub this week? The qb ranked #2 for this week has a great matchup just like Schaub, but is ranked several spots higher than him.

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

 

[Buffaloes]

I'm probably rolling with Schaub over Warner and Derrick Anderson if that helps. I'm not trying to turn this into an ACF thread...just giving my opinion on his value this week.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'm probably rolling with Schaub over Warner and Derrick Anderson if that helps. I'm not trying to turn this into an ACF thread...just giving my opinion on his value this week.

Personally, there's only 3 qb's that I would consider ranking ahead of Schaub this week. Neither of those guys are in the trio.

 

[tombonneau]

I was shocked by it as well, given he was ranked something like #3 last week. I'll be starting him over Eli and not thinking twice. IMO, he's pretty much a must-start until he cools off.

 

[Marauder]

In a keeper league where I've owned Peyton Manning since his rookie year, I can probably count on one hand the times I've started someone other than Manning (other than Manning's bye weeks) but I'm probably going with Schaub this week.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Schaub... Campbell... Schaub... Campbell...

 

[Nate]

...Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati....

Cincy is the #6 ranked pass defense in the NFL. They're only giving up 180yds/gm in the air.They're horrendous against the run and get scored on a ton; but it's not a QBs dream matchup.

 

[Kiddnets]

Schaub... Campbell... Schaub... Campbell...

whats there to think about? Campbell is a good QB but his best weapon is portis who gets most of the TDs - Schaubs best weapons are Owen Daniels and AJ - a no brainer vs a turkey Def like Cincy. Every time I started Campbell in a big spot against a lousy team I would get 200 yds and no TDs.

 

[MCguidance]

I'm probably rolling with Schaub over Warner and Derrick Anderson if that helps. I'm not trying to turn this into an ACF thread...just giving my opinion on his value this week.

I hate to bench Warner but Schaub against the Bengals seems pretty solid to me - giving me a very tough decision. Carolina's D is much better than the Bengals, no? Or is Warner and Fitz and Co. almost match up prooff?

 

[MCguidance]

...Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati....

Cincy is the #6 ranked pass defense in the NFL. They're only giving up 180yds/gm in the air.They're horrendous against the run and get scored on a ton; but it's not a QBs dream matchup.

Why pass when you can run all over them? Of course it skews the numbers when your defense is giving 152+ yards per game, 4.4 YPR, on the ground in addition to 10 rushing TDs. The question is whether or not Houston pounds the ball or continues a pretty good balance. Every team strives for balance, but against a rush defense that's poor they may pound the rock (maybe that comes after they are up big). Cincy has given up 10 Tds with only 4 INTs and a passer rating of 89.5, not good numbers, either.

 

[Buffaloes]

I'm probably rolling with Schaub over Warner and Derrick Anderson if that helps. I'm not trying to turn this into an ACF thread...just giving my opinion on his value this week.

I hate to bench Warner but Schaub against the Bengals seems pretty solid to me - giving me a very tough decision. Carolina's D is much better than the Bengals, no? Or is Warner and Fitz and Co. almost match up prooff?

Carolina did a pretty good job against Brees last week.

 

[MCguidance]

I'm probably rolling with Schaub over Warner and Derrick Anderson if that helps. I'm not trying to turn this into an ACF thread...just giving my opinion on his value this week.

I hate to bench Warner but Schaub against the Bengals seems pretty solid to me - giving me a very tough decision. Carolina's D is much better than the Bengals, no? Or is Warner and Fitz and Co. almost match up prooff?

Carolina did a pretty good job against Brees last week.

I am in total agreement. Thus, as of now, I have Schaub over Warner. I think that if you have Schaub, these are the type of weeks you want to use him.

 

[tombonneau]

...Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati....

Cincy is the #6 ranked pass defense in the NFL. They're only giving up 180yds/gm in the air.They're horrendous against the run and get scored on a ton; but it's not a QBs dream matchup.

Why pass when you can run all over them? Of course it skews the numbers when your defense is giving 152+ yards per game, 4.4 YPR, on the ground in addition to 10 rushing TDs. The question is whether or not Houston pounds the ball or continues a pretty good balance. Every team strives for balance, but against a rush defense that's poor they may pound the rock (maybe that comes after they are up big). Cincy has given up 10 Tds with only 4 INTs and a passer rating of 89.5, not good numbers, either.

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but it seems to me Houston likes to throw a lot once they get inside the ten.

 

[Gopher State]

with Cinn being 27th against the run I would expect the Texans RB's have great games this week

I would temper your hopes on what the Texans passing game will do, they be too busy running to pass much in this game.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

with Cinn being 27th against the run I would expect the Texans RB's have great games this weekI would temper your hopes on what the Texans passing game will do, they be too busy running to pass much in this game.

my exact thinking... if they get up early like they did last week it will be a second half Green/Slaton show. (Maybe even Rossenfells!) He's over ranked if anything!

 

[tombonneau]

So I went and looked it up and Texans RZ Looks is something like 53/42 Pass/Run. I did a spot check of about 10 other teams and most leaned to a slightly higher pass/run ratio, but Houston def. seems to pass a lot more in the RZ than most teams.

So even if Schaub only throws for 200, he could toss 2 or dare I say 3 TDs.

ETA: Houston also seemed to have a lot more RZ plays than other teams I checked. And that's *with* a bye. That either speaks to opportunity or inefficiency depending on your POV.

 

[sentr]

So I went and looked it up and Texans RZ Looks is something like 53/42 Pass/Run. I did a spot check of about 10 other teams and most leaned to a slightly higher pass/run ratio, but Houston def. seems to pass a lot more in the RZ than most teams. So even if Schaub only throws for 200, he could toss 2 or dare I say 3 TDs.ETA: Houston also seemed to have a lot more RZ plays than other teams I checked. And that's *with* a bye. That either speaks to opportunity or inefficiency depending on your POV.

Is there any easy link to this data or is it multiple site homework?

 

[tombonneau]

So I went and looked it up and Texans RZ Looks is something like 53/42 Pass/Run. I did a spot check of about 10 other teams and most leaned to a slightly higher pass/run ratio, but Houston def. seems to pass a lot more in the RZ than most teams. So even if Schaub only throws for 200, he could toss 2 or dare I say 3 TDs.ETA: Houston also seemed to have a lot more RZ plays than other teams I checked. And that's *with* a bye. That either speaks to opportunity or inefficiency depending on your POV.

Is there any easy link to this data or is it multiple site homework?

It's in the paid subscriber section; every week they update Red Zone Targets by team.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Schaub... Campbell... Schaub... Campbell...

whats there to think about? Campbell is a good QB but his best weapon is portis who gets most of the TDs - Schaubs best weapons are Owen Daniels and AJ - a no brainer vs a turkey Def like Cincy. Every time I started Campbell in a big spot against a lousy team I would get 200 yds and no TDs.

Here's what there is to think aboutetroit is giving up 21.4 fantasy points/game to QBs (worst in the NFL)Cincinnati is giving up 16.0/game, which puts them right in the middle of the pack. The NFL average is 16.3.

 

[section 8]

So....How about a decision...Schaub or Delhomme????

 

[NeverEnough]

I like his matchup this week as well. So much that I have thought about benching Brees for him.

 

[3nOut]

Schaub... Campbell... Schaub... Campbell... :(

I know how you feel...Schaub... Big Ben... Schaub... Big Ben...

 

[tombonneau]

All you guys on the fence, stop overthinking it. Right now ppg Schaub is the hottest QB in FF the last 3 weeks (he looks even better if you go back to his start vs. Jax). This game ain't that tricky: Ride the hot hand.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Interesting that I have the Schaub vs. Warner dilemma too. Carolina shut down Brees, so I am leaning toward Schaub. He has been en fuego lately and does pass more in the RZ. Warner hasn't exactly been chump change though.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I benched Brees for Schaub last week and I'm doing it again this week.

 

[Nate]

...Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati....

Cincy is the #6 ranked pass defense in the NFL. They're only giving up 180yds/gm in the air.They're horrendous against the run and get scored on a ton; but it's not a QBs dream matchup.

Why pass when you can run all over them? Of course it skews the numbers when your defense is giving 152+ yards per game, 4.4 YPR, on the ground in addition to 10 rushing TDs. The question is whether or not Houston pounds the ball or continues a pretty good balance. Every team strives for balance, but against a rush defense that's poor they may pound the rock (maybe that comes after they are up big). Cincy has given up 10 Tds with only 4 INTs and a passer rating of 89.5, not good numbers, either.

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but it seems to me Houston likes to throw a lot once they get inside the ten.

Houston is exactly 50/50 inside the 10.

 

[tombonneau]

...Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati....

Cincy is the #6 ranked pass defense in the NFL. They're only giving up 180yds/gm in the air.They're horrendous against the run and get scored on a ton; but it's not a QBs dream matchup.

Why pass when you can run all over them? Of course it skews the numbers when your defense is giving 152+ yards per game, 4.4 YPR, on the ground in addition to 10 rushing TDs. The question is whether or not Houston pounds the ball or continues a pretty good balance. Every team strives for balance, but against a rush defense that's poor they may pound the rock (maybe that comes after they are up big). Cincy has given up 10 Tds with only 4 INTs and a passer rating of 89.5, not good numbers, either.

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but it seems to me Houston likes to throw a lot once they get inside the ten.

Houston is exactly 50/50 inside the 10.

Do you know how that compares to the league average? Based on the red zone splits I was seeing, there are a lot of teams inside the 20 that are 60/40 run, I'd imagine that percentage probably gets higher inside the 10. Even at 50/50, that is probably near the top of the league for passing inside the 10.

 

[Nate]

...Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati....

Cincy is the #6 ranked pass defense in the NFL. They're only giving up 180yds/gm in the air.They're horrendous against the run and get scored on a ton; but it's not a QBs dream matchup.

Why pass when you can run all over them? Of course it skews the numbers when your defense is giving 152+ yards per game, 4.4 YPR, on the ground in addition to 10 rushing TDs. The question is whether or not Houston pounds the ball or continues a pretty good balance. Every team strives for balance, but against a rush defense that's poor they may pound the rock (maybe that comes after they are up big). Cincy has given up 10 Tds with only 4 INTs and a passer rating of 89.5, not good numbers, either.

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but it seems to me Houston likes to throw a lot once they get inside the ten.

Houston is exactly 50/50 inside the 10.

Do you know how that compares to the league average? Based on the red zone splits I was seeing, there are a lot of teams inside the 20 that are 60/40 run, I'd imagine that percentage probably gets higher inside the 10. Even at 50/50, that is probably near the top of the league for passing inside the 10.

Houston is tied with Philly for #3 in pass attempts inside the 10 (behind Arizona & Denver).8 teams pass as often or more than they run inside the 10. Aside; St. Louis has yet to attempt a pass inside the 10 this season!

 

[Buffaloes]

...Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati....

Cincy is the #6 ranked pass defense in the NFL. They're only giving up 180yds/gm in the air.They're horrendous against the run and get scored on a ton; but it's not a QBs dream matchup.

Why pass when you can run all over them? Of course it skews the numbers when your defense is giving 152+ yards per game, 4.4 YPR, on the ground in addition to 10 rushing TDs. The question is whether or not Houston pounds the ball or continues a pretty good balance. Every team strives for balance, but against a rush defense that's poor they may pound the rock (maybe that comes after they are up big). Cincy has given up 10 Tds with only 4 INTs and a passer rating of 89.5, not good numbers, either.

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but it seems to me Houston likes to throw a lot once they get inside the ten.

Houston is exactly 50/50 inside the 10.

Do you know how that compares to the league average? Based on the red zone splits I was seeing, there are a lot of teams inside the 20 that are 60/40 run, I'd imagine that percentage probably gets higher inside the 10. Even at 50/50, that is probably near the top of the league for passing inside the 10.

Houston is tied with Philly for #3 in pass attempts inside the 10 (behind Arizona & Denver).8 teams pass as often or more than they run inside the 10. Aside; St. Louis has yet to attempt a pass inside the 10 this season!

 

[tombonneau]

...Houston is playing at home against a very bad defensive team, Cincinnati....

Cincy is the #6 ranked pass defense in the NFL. They're only giving up 180yds/gm in the air.They're horrendous against the run and get scored on a ton; but it's not a QBs dream matchup.

Why pass when you can run all over them? Of course it skews the numbers when your defense is giving 152+ yards per game, 4.4 YPR, on the ground in addition to 10 rushing TDs. The question is whether or not Houston pounds the ball or continues a pretty good balance. Every team strives for balance, but against a rush defense that's poor they may pound the rock (maybe that comes after they are up big). Cincy has given up 10 Tds with only 4 INTs and a passer rating of 89.5, not good numbers, either.

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but it seems to me Houston likes to throw a lot once they get inside the ten.

Houston is exactly 50/50 inside the 10.

Do you know how that compares to the league average? Based on the red zone splits I was seeing, there are a lot of teams inside the 20 that are 60/40 run, I'd imagine that percentage probably gets higher inside the 10. Even at 50/50, that is probably near the top of the league for passing inside the 10.

Houston is tied with Philly for #3 in pass attempts inside the 10 (behind Arizona & Denver).8 teams pass as often or more than they run inside the 10. Aside; St. Louis has yet to attempt a pass inside the 10 this season!

Thank you for confirming my apparently not-so-baseless assumption. Just another reason why Schaub is teetering toward Must Start status.And STL not throwing once inside the 10? That's a pretty amazing stat that can't possible hold. The Law of Averages dictates that Marc Bulger is due for a huge second half!

 

[IVNACATES]

ESPN just announced that a Texan is in the group that tested positive for banned substances that was just released. No name released and I doubt it affects this week, but Johnson or Slaton being suspended would be a huge negative to Schaub.

 

[Sputnikv8]

ESPN just announced that a Texan is in the group that tested positive for banned substances that was just released. No name released and I doubt it affects this week, but Johnson or Slaton being suspended would be a huge negative to Schaub.

and *IF* its Sage, it would be a positive. Come on, no need to rumor monger here.

 

[Nate]

ESPN just announced that a Texan is in the group that tested positive for banned substances that was just released. No name released and I doubt it affects this week, but Johnson or Slaton being suspended would be a huge negative to Schaub.

Gah! Need more info!

 

[Ysatnaf_Gnik]

ESPN just announced that a Texan is in the group that tested positive for banned substances that was just released. No name released and I doubt it affects this week, but Johnson or Slaton being suspended would be a huge negative to Schaub.

Gah! Need more info!

They just announced in the radio it was Kubiak that tested positive....granted it was a local Dallas comedy show that said that...

 

[tombonneau]

Hopefully everyone here once again started the red hot Schaub.

 

[duece2626]

ESPN just announced that a Texan is in the group that tested positive for banned substances that was just released. No name released and I doubt it affects this week, but Johnson or Slaton being suspended would be a huge negative to Schaub.

Gah! Need more info!

Wasn't it the long snapper Pittman?