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I think you might be struggling with the word "value" here. He has no value at 2B, becuase he sucks there. He has value from the offensive side of the plate. Sure, he would earn less as an outfielder, since he's not as powerful vs. other outfielders, but that's really not the problem for any team that has a decent second basebman.
"not all that great" -- dude, he's the worst in the league. Why are you delusional as to his abilities at second base?
He isn't. Sure, he has power and speed. Great. He still doesn't get on base enough and swings at anything.I'll take 9 Brad Wilkersons at the plate over 9 Sorianos any day of the week.
Where are these desperate GMs with a trade offer?
And lazy. Whether they "let" them talk to him or not isn't worth bringing up. They could have contacted him through a third party and found out what he thought about it beforehand. This is done secretly all the time.
I don't know what else to tell you. There isn't one single baseball mind on TV or radio that thinks you're right.He'll either play outfield today, or this will be the worst mistake he's made in his baseball career.
Not to play 2nd.They gave TX a better player (Wilkinson). Not good enough for you?
Oh I don't disagree that Soriano is overrated. I disagree with your statement the he's "not good" with the bat.He's not a top 20 player, not even close. He's obviously overrated in many circles due to his fantasy value. But he's still an above average player, due in most part to his ability to hit 35 HRs and steal 35 bases.
Pretty much what I expected especially after finding out that Soriano didn't even know he was supposed to play LF on Monday - the wrong lineup card was hanging up in the clubhouse.
Sounds like it. I'll agree that he's above average based on what he's done but it's getting pretty close.
Huh? Pitching and defense win the WS. Not sure what that has to do with Soriano. He'd look pretty silly against post-season pitching.
What's not true? What's hyperbole?Tell me who supports your argument, besides Soriano and his agent?
UPDATE: Doesn't even sound like he made a "smart decision" now.GOOD LUCK IN THE OUTFIELD!! SORRY ABOUT THE CONTRACT NEXT TIME!!
Just because he makes more money than us does not make any bit of difference.Also your point of "you can play elsewhere" is exactly the point. He can't. Baseball has special rules because they are a legally sanctioned monopoly. That's why the comparison between Soriano and you at your job is completely and utterly useless.This thread is an absolute
Just to summarize, the Soriano apologists first suggest that asking him to play the outfield is akin to your boss asking you to clean the crapper. Then they mention that money doesn't matter at all, he is simply standing up for his beliefs. Now they are saying it is all about the money and a smart financial move because he clearly will make more money as a second baseman than as an outfielder(although the last I checked, his contract was to play baseball, not specifically second base).
This guy is getting paid more money for one year than most of us will over an entire lifetime(well, I forgot that most FBGs are already millionaires) to play a game for a living. Sports are somewhat like the military or maybe more appropriately a family. If your commanding officer tells you to do something, you do. If your parents tell you to do something, you do it. You might not be happy about either of them, but that's the breaks. Those are the rules of the game you signed on to play. If you don't like it, you are welcome to seek employment elsewhere(Japan perhaps). Or, maybe go get a real job like the rest of the country.
Go play left field and quit your whining.
But he can play elsewhere, just not elsewhere in MLB. And part of the reason he makes so much money is because of the anti-trust system that was put into place. You can choose to ignore that fact if you want, but it is a major reason that they make so much money in the first place.FWIW, I'd love to play left field for the Nationals... as would probably 200 players in their minor league system.
This IS the point. He chose to make his profession in an occupation who's prime employment opportunities is within a special monopolistic system. He now must abide by those rules - rules which, as noted already, enable Soriano to make 10 mill for playing a boys game.But he is ONLY entitled to that 10 mill if he fulfills his contract. He has no right whatsoever to not switch positions. He can cry and whine about it like the baby he apparantly is in this regard... but his options are listen to his employer, or find a new line of work. The fact that a new line might mean not playing baseball is an unfortunate byproduct of the system that also enables him to receive ridiculous sums of money, far more than anyone deserves for playing a game.Just because he makes more money than us does not make any bit of difference.Also your point of "you can play elsewhere" is exactly the point. He can't. Baseball has special rules because they are a legally sanctioned monopoly. That's why the comparison between Soriano and you at your job is completely and utterly useless.This thread is an absolute
Just to summarize, the Soriano apologists first suggest that asking him to play the outfield is akin to your boss asking you to clean the crapper. Then they mention that money doesn't matter at all, he is simply standing up for his beliefs. Now they are saying it is all about the money and a smart financial move because he clearly will make more money as a second baseman than as an outfielder(although the last I checked, his contract was to play baseball, not specifically second base).
This guy is getting paid more money for one year than most of us will over an entire lifetime(well, I forgot that most FBGs are already millionaires) to play a game for a living. Sports are somewhat like the military or maybe more appropriately a family. If your commanding officer tells you to do something, you do. If your parents tell you to do something, you do it. You might not be happy about either of them, but that's the breaks. Those are the rules of the game you signed on to play. If you don't like it, you are welcome to seek employment elsewhere(Japan perhaps). Or, maybe go get a real job like the rest of the country.
Go play left field and quit your whining.
All Soriano was doing was following the rules. I don't know why this is so complicated. He had a dispute with the team and, under the rules of this special monopolistic organization, the dispute would go to an arbitrator. For some reason, Soriano decided not to use the mechanism set up by the league and MLBPA and caved to the team.This IS the point. He chose to make his profession in an occupation who's prime employment opportunities is within a special monopolistic system. He now must abide by those rules - rules which, as noted already, enable Soriano to make 10 mill for playing a boys game.But he is ONLY entitled to that 10 mill if he fulfills his contract. He has no right whatsoever to not switch positions. He can cry and whine about it like the baby he apparantly is in this regard... but his options are listen to his employer, or find a new line of work. The fact that a new line might mean not playing baseball is an unfortunate byproduct of the system that also enables him to receive ridiculous sums of money, far more than anyone deserves for playing a game.Just because he makes more money than us does not make any bit of difference.Also your point of "you can play elsewhere" is exactly the point. He can't. Baseball has special rules because they are a legally sanctioned monopoly. That's why the comparison between Soriano and you at your job is completely and utterly useless.This thread is an absolute
Just to summarize, the Soriano apologists first suggest that asking him to play the outfield is akin to your boss asking you to clean the crapper. Then they mention that money doesn't matter at all, he is simply standing up for his beliefs. Now they are saying it is all about the money and a smart financial move because he clearly will make more money as a second baseman than as an outfielder(although the last I checked, his contract was to play baseball, not specifically second base).
This guy is getting paid more money for one year than most of us will over an entire lifetime(well, I forgot that most FBGs are already millionaires) to play a game for a living. Sports are somewhat like the military or maybe more appropriately a family. If your commanding officer tells you to do something, you do. If your parents tell you to do something, you do it. You might not be happy about either of them, but that's the breaks. Those are the rules of the game you signed on to play. If you don't like it, you are welcome to seek employment elsewhere(Japan perhaps). Or, maybe go get a real job like the rest of the country.
Go play left field and quit your whining.
These defenders of such a selfish ballplayer kinda sicken me. Not only do they have no legal leg to stand on as I see it, but the thought that people want to protect a guy who wont be a team player when he gets paid 10 mill is flat out stupid imo.
The arbitrator can't help him here. You're the only one who doesn't know that.
So, now it's the goodness of his heart that's making him take the outfield?Wow.
Given the "insubordination" and "disqualification" that Soriano was about to be tagged with if he didn't take the field as an outfielder, I'd be there's a precedence for dumb jocks who overstate their importance at a certain position.
The rule is there, and the MLBPA would have agreed to it.
Man, the apologists don't give up.Put it this way - if what you said had any value, then even the self centered Soriano would have "stood his ground"All Soriano was doing was following the rules. I don't know why this is so complicated. He had a dispute with the team and, under the rules of this special monopolistic organization, the dispute would go to an arbitrator. For some reason, Soriano decided not to use the mechanism set up by the league and MLBPA and caved to the team.This IS the point. He chose to make his profession in an occupation who's prime employment opportunities is within a special monopolistic system. He now must abide by those rules - rules which, as noted already, enable Soriano to make 10 mill for playing a boys game.But he is ONLY entitled to that 10 mill if he fulfills his contract. He has no right whatsoever to not switch positions. He can cry and whine about it like the baby he apparantly is in this regard... but his options are listen to his employer, or find a new line of work. The fact that a new line might mean not playing baseball is an unfortunate byproduct of the system that also enables him to receive ridiculous sums of money, far more than anyone deserves for playing a game.Just because he makes more money than us does not make any bit of difference.Also your point of "you can play elsewhere" is exactly the point. He can't. Baseball has special rules because they are a legally sanctioned monopoly. That's why the comparison between Soriano and you at your job is completely and utterly useless.This thread is an absolute
Just to summarize, the Soriano apologists first suggest that asking him to play the outfield is akin to your boss asking you to clean the crapper. Then they mention that money doesn't matter at all, he is simply standing up for his beliefs. Now they are saying it is all about the money and a smart financial move because he clearly will make more money as a second baseman than as an outfielder(although the last I checked, his contract was to play baseball, not specifically second base).
This guy is getting paid more money for one year than most of us will over an entire lifetime(well, I forgot that most FBGs are already millionaires) to play a game for a living. Sports are somewhat like the military or maybe more appropriately a family. If your commanding officer tells you to do something, you do. If your parents tell you to do something, you do it. You might not be happy about either of them, but that's the breaks. Those are the rules of the game you signed on to play. If you don't like it, you are welcome to seek employment elsewhere(Japan perhaps). Or, maybe go get a real job like the rest of the country.
Go play left field and quit your whining.
These defenders of such a selfish ballplayer kinda sicken me. Not only do they have no legal leg to stand on as I see it, but the thought that people want to protect a guy who wont be a team player when he gets paid 10 mill is flat out stupid imo.
So please get off your high horse and stop being jealous of a guy who is protecting his assets.
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVGHome 23 91 23 29 5 0 11 18 67 10 12 6 2 .386 .736 .319Away 30 123 15 34 5 0 7 17 60 6 34 6 3 .315 .488 .276
Hit another one today, albeit @ Philly
Link? I predicted ~ 14-15 wins for Young - if I mentioned 12 wins and Brazelton in the same sentence it was likely in the "could potentially win 12 if his spring stats carry over" context.You posted Dewon would win 12 games here. In fact, you said $10 on the over of 12.I said the guy was worth a late flyer, nothing more.You're confusing Brazelton with my Chris Young hype. How's he working out?
Link? I predicted ~ 14-15 wins for Young - if I mentioned 12 wins and Brazelton in the same sentence it was likely in the "could potentially win 12 if his spring stats carry over" context.You posted Dewon would win 12 games here. In fact, you said $10 on the over of 12.
How come I can always remember the dumb things you say but you never can?
