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Spencer Ware, possibly the new work horse (2 Viewers)

Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Gone with the fullback position is the true goal-line run offense in the NFL.  :sadbanana:
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Not true, both the Texans and Raiders had a goal-line offense on the field yesterday, they just decided to get cute and tried to throw it to an OL in the flat or some other nonsense.  Either have the big boys on the field and run it with your RB or go 5 wide and spread everyone out but stop with this nonsense trickery attempt 3 times.

 
West is probably out this week but Ware would have continued to be utilized ~20 times a game anyway. When it comes to pass catching Ware > Davis so I expect to see Ware take over West's role in the hurry up.

DEN is a plus match-up, they've given up 4.4ypc on the ground and the 7th most PPG to RBs (PPR) on season. They've given up the 6th most in the past 5 weeks, 3rd most in the last 3 weeks.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ware dropped a 20 burger this week, I'll be starting him at least.

 
Hu-Tang Clan said:
Not true, both the Texans and Raiders had a goal-line offense on the field yesterday, they just decided to get cute and tried to throw it to an OL in the flat or some other nonsense.  Either have the big boys on the field and run it with your RB or go 5 wide and spread everyone out but stop with this nonsense trickery attempt 3 times.
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Exactly the point -- with the prevalence of more creative 2 point conversion plays, I think a lot of the NFL teams look to throw at the goal line now. You rarely see a team line up in a tight I and pound away on the first couple of downs. Most are looking for the isolation corner fade, a backline cross, or a sweep. 

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Exactly the point -- with the prevalence of more creative 2 point conversion plays, I think a lot of the NFL teams look to throw at the goal line now. You rarely see a team line up in a tight I and pound away on the first couple of downs. Most are looking for the isolation corner fade, a backline cross, or a sweep. 
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Agreed, and it isn't very successful.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I read this every week. Then around the middle of the 3rd quarter everyone is #####ing about Andy Reid and what might have been. Not expecting anything to change this week.
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This Ware train has been a long and turbulent ride, but the factor that held true all along, dating back to Ware's emergence last year, is that he's had his biggest games when Charles and West are both out. This dynamic is (finally) once again in play this coming weekend, against a suspect Denver run D.

 
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Cowboysfan8 said:
I read this every week. Then around the middle of the 3rd quarter everyone is #####ing about Andy Reid and what might have been. Not expecting anything to change this week.

Meh....
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I mean, if you think you have a better option then play that dude. It's just hard to sit a talented RB who is going to be utilized 20 times in a plus match-up. With West looking unlikely I personally think he's unsittable.

Expectations have no doubt been too lofty but the overreaction in here is about as bad IMO. Ware is still being utilized ~20 times a game, is averaging 4.9ypc, has never had less than 72 yards from scrimmage in a game he's completed, is leading his team in RZ touches (20) etc. etc. You just have to hope for a regression to the mean.

Plus, he's a RB2/flex for most of us. Too much shade is being thrown on what is still looking to be a huge value pick this year.

 
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SameSongNDance said:
I mean, if you think you have a better option then play that dude. It's just hard to sit a talented RB who is going to be utilized 20 times in a plus match-up. With West looking unlikely I personally think he's unsittable.

Expectations have no doubt been too lofty but the overreaction in here is about as bad IMO. Ware is still being utilized ~20 times a game, is averaging 4.9ypc, has never had less than 72 yards from scrimmage in a game he's completed, is leading his team in RZ touches (20) etc. etc. You just have to hope for a regression to the mean.

Plus, he's a RB2/flex for most of us. Too much shade is being thrown on what is still looking to be a huge value pick this year.
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Oh I'm starting him, I don't really have much choice. I'm just jaded because every week I think he's got a chance to blow up and never really does. I blame Andy

 
Hu-Tang Clan said:
Agreed, and it isn't very successful.
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Where do you get that impression from? A few years ago, there was a study that showed that teams on the 1-yard line ran the ball 73.97% of the time since 2000 and were successful 53.88% of the time. Teams passing from the 1-yard line posted a 48.34% success rate.

Not a huge difference, but it's data, not opinion. And the study was already far into the pass-happy era of 2000s era WC/spread offenses, where teams simply weren't investing anymore in the kinds of fullback you used to see like Lorenzo Neal, Darryl Johnson, or Tom Rathman. If they had, I would expect the run success rate to be higher.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I read this every week. Then around the middle of the 3rd quarter everyone is #####ing about Andy Reid and what might have been. Not expecting anything to change this week.

Meh....
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This.

I'm starting him in my leagues, but I'm not expecting a huge game like many people have been talking up the past few weeks. I'm expecting 7-9 points (standard scoring), would love if he could break double digits, but it's been about a month now since he's done that. Gotta produce before I can start expecting those type of games again.

 
Well - tough division game on the road. Looks like the Denver defense can be exploited by the run. Ware cost me last week in the Subscriber contest and a key game in fantasy. This is where the pain of fantasy football bubbles up. Are there better choices? Maybe. 

 
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I expect a nice game from Ware. Smith won't be able to pass on the Denver D. Reid will have no choice but to use Ware extensively. 

 
SameSongNDance said:
West is probably out this week but Ware would have continued to be utilized ~20 times a game anyway. When it comes to pass catching Ware > Davis so I expect to see Ware take over West's role in the hurry up.

DEN is a plus match-up, they've given up 4.4ypc on the ground and the 7th most PPG to RBs (PPR) on season. They've given up the 6th most in the past 5 weeks, 3rd most in the last 3 weeks.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ware dropped a 20 burger this week, I'll be starting him at least.
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Did you just copy and paste last week's post you made like this?

 
SameSongNDance said:
I mean, if you think you have a better option then play that dude. It's just hard to sit a talented RB who is going to be utilized 20 times in a plus match-up. With West looking unlikely I personally think he's unsittable.

Expectations have no doubt been too lofty but the overreaction in here is about as bad IMO. Ware is still being utilized ~20 times a game, is averaging 4.9ypc, has never had less than 72 yards from scrimmage in a game he's completed, is leading his team in RZ touches (20) etc. etc. You just have to hope for a regression to the mean.

Plus, he's a RB2/flex for most of us. Too much shade is being thrown on what is still looking to be a huge value pick this year.
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This is exactly my thoughts. While I understand people being frustrated, who are these teams starting as they bench Ware?

 
Dope said:
This is exactly my thoughts. While I understand people being frustrated, who are these teams starting as they bench Ware?
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McCoy, Forte, and possibly Rawls in a standard league

Bell, McCoy, Forte in PPR

Zeke and maybe Rawls in a TD heavy league

 
I'm starting DJ (of course) and Hyde over Ware this week. I have Kelly and would seriously consider him over Ware too.

PPR league.

 
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shadyridr said:
Kelley had the same # of TDs last week as ware has all year, plays in a better offense, guaranteed to get 20 carries (unless they get blown out), and goal line touches. I'd love to hear how this is laughable.
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Give it a couple weeks. These things tend to work themselves out. 

 
Milkman said:
Give it a couple weeks. These things tend to work themselves out. 
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Just a phenomenal counter argument by you on why I should play ware over kelley THIS week. This is do or die time for fantasy playoffs. You can't let things work themselves out over the next few weeks. You play your best guys and then the next week you reevaluate things.

 
This feels like one of those trap weeks were everyone benches Ware and he goes off for 20+ points. Going to start him in my flex over Hyde.(if West is ruled out)

 
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shadyridr said:
Just a phenomenal counter argument by you on why I should play ware over kelley THIS week. This is do or die time for fantasy playoffs. You can't let things work themselves out over the next few weeks. You play your best guys and then the next week you reevaluate things.
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Yeah I've already made the playoffs and lead my league in scoring by like 200 points or something ridiculous like that. 

I don't typically react to one game unless I really like the tape. Kelly is meh but by all means start him if you think he's your best play. Excuse me for finding it humorous. 

 
Milkman said:
Yeah I've already made the playoffs and lead my league in scoring by like 200 points or something ridiculous like that. 

I don't typically react to one game unless I really like the tape. Kelly is meh but by all means start him if you think he's your best play. Excuse me for finding it humorous. 
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Kelley "meh" has been getting more opportunities than Ware since taking over as the lead back in Washington. I'm not sure why someone choosing the back with more volume would be laughed at.

 
Milkman said:
Yeah I've already made the playoffs and lead my league in scoring by like 200 points or something ridiculous like that. 

I don't typically react to one game unless I really like the tape. Kelly is meh but by all means start him if you think he's your best play. Excuse me for finding it humorous. 
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So, you have done well in spite of Ware...not because of him.  I have made it in 2 of the 3 leagues Im in (have Ware in all 3)...he has been a low spot for much of it and counting on him over some others has cost me on the one where I need to win to get to the playoffs right now.

 
I only own Ware in the subscriber contest.  Really needing him to start performing as he is 1 of only 3 active RB's getting points for me.  Luckily 1 of those is Bell, but the other is James White who is the picture of inconsistency.

As a Missouri guy, I watch a lot of Chiefs games and when they are rolling, they can rack up the points at all positions.  Unfortunately, they aren't rolling on offense very often and seem to lean very heavily on the defense and special teams to win games.  It works in NFL regular season more often than not, but doesn't help fantasy and doesn't work as well in the playoffs.

 
simey said:
Kelley "meh" has been getting more opportunities than Ware since taking over as the lead back in Washington. I'm not sure why someone choosing the back with more volume would be laughed at.
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running over GB and looking nothing more than average doing it = meh to me but again start him and see what happens maybe he's better than I think. Shrug. I'll start Ware again and see if he can turn that offense around. He's all KC has really with Maclin out.

 
I'm forced to start him with Jeremy Hill and Wendell Smallwood.  My only other option at this point is CMike.  WTF happened to my roster?

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Where do you get that impression from? A few years ago, there was a study that showed that teams on the 1-yard line ran the ball 73.97% of the time since 2000 and were successful 53.88% of the time. Teams passing from the 1-yard line posted a 48.34% success rate.

Not a huge difference, but it's data, not opinion. And the study was already far into the pass-happy era of 2000s era WC/spread offenses, where teams simply weren't investing anymore in the kinds of fullback you used to see like Lorenzo Neal, Darryl Johnson, or Tom Rathman. If they had, I would expect the run success rate to be higher.
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It's probably just my impression from specifically watching my RB's like Ingram, Miller and Ware.  It looks like the overall stats for the whole league have it fairly even.  

 
I guess Spencer's season went like this:

September - RB1

October - RB2

November - High Floor Flex

I've had him in my lineup every weeks he's played. Knowing that, barring injury, he's at LEAST 7 or 8 points in a non-PPR is good enough for my flex. But I also have a strong team. If I needed my flex to be higher scoring, (think DeSean Jackson back in the day) I'd change my tactics, but for my team...the bottom line 7-10 with the POSSIBILITY of a 25 pointer is part of my winning formula.

I've said this before...I drafted him late as a flier. I didn't trade for him and I didn't NEED him to step up for an under-performer or injured player. So my perspective on Spencer is something ummmmmmm more forgiving I guess.

 
Milkman said:
Yeah I've already made the playoffs and lead my league in scoring by like 200 points or something ridiculous like that. 

I don't typically react to one game unless I really like the tape. Kelly is meh but by all means start him if you think he's your best play. Excuse me for finding it humorous. 
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LOLOLOL

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Gone with the fullback position is the true goal-line run offense in the NFL.  :sadbanana:

Loved me some true smash-mouth football. The Titans are really the only team left in this regard.
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Zeke also seems to be doing fine, although I'd like to see more goal line opps as well. Guess I'm spoiled. :P

But seriously, yeah I'm seeing way to many TE runs in the NFL these days. :yucky:

Can't they just take one of their rather large linemen, even defensive linemen and practice with them in a goal line package for these situations, or possible one of the special team backup running backs or even a linebacker? Maybe I am naïve, and I am willing to admit that, but these are world class athletes and a few goal line package plays wouldn't be too hard to learn for these types of situations. I understand not carrying a full time FB, but a part time one would be helpful.

 
Milkman said:
Yeah I've already made the playoffs and lead my league in scoring by like 200 points or something ridiculous like that. 

I don't typically react to one game unless I really like the tape. Kelly is meh but by all means start him if you think he's your best play. Excuse me for finding it humorous. 
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You're only up by 200? meh I'm up 500 points to the next closest team and I clinched the playoffs weeks ago. Are you even trying? :lmao:

 
Milkman said:
Have you started West at all during you dominating year? lololol
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Do I really have to explain how West was a good handcuff to you again, especially after the Charles news broke, even though 4-5 days after I suggested picking West up ... Ware got a concussion and missed the following game, REALLY? :deadhorse:

 
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mnmplayer said:
Do I really have to explain how West was a good handcuff to you again, especially after the Charles news broke, even though 4-5 days after I suggested picking West up ... Ware got a concussion and missed the following game, REALLY? :deadhorse:
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So you still think West is Ware's equal then? Will you be keeping him through the offseason? [[[snicker]]]

 
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