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I know there are a few topics about each player out there, but I thought there may be value in having a thread dedicated to Spiller owners (who do not already own F-Jax) to gauge whether (1) they are trying to acquire Jackson (or have thought about it) and (2) if so, what they may have sent in return. Regardless of injury, it is a unique situation in my eyes in that Jackson likely was not top 2-3 round pick, and Spiller likely came off the board as one of the first backups...i.e. their value was perceived to be somewhat equal. My thought is that you can lock up this backfield, which regardless of how the team has played under the current staff, the only consistent thing has been their dedication AND success running the ball.

So would love to hear opinions as to whether people are trying to acquire Jackson and if so, the types of offers they are making (whether it worked or failed).

 
Seeing that F Jackson was drafted as one of your starting RB's; and the reports are that he is coming back sooner than later, the price is probably going to be pretty steep. If you wait until he comes back AND Spiller outperforms him, the price will drop dramatically.

 
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.

 
He was cut in one of my leagues, so I picked him up. Wouldn't have traded for him even though Spiller has a slight build and will obviously become the focus of other D's going forward.

 
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
 
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
Yeah, that was my fear. If you own Spiller, and not Jackson, you likely thought he was the better buy, and you have been rewarded. With that said, I also agree with your thought in that who knows what Buffalo will do, and I would like some coverage (oddly it seems as though the lead is becoming the handcuff and vice versa).
 
No, he's over 30 and has the tendency to get hurt.
I agree, but that does not mean he will not get a shot at having his job back...basically, if the overwhelming majority said "Yeah, I just moved him for Pierre Thomas, etc.", I could live with that, it just seems as though the owners of F-Jax want more in return, regardless of what his true value is.
 
Unfortunately I'm smelling a full blown committee when FJax gets back although both may have rb2 value if they can keep running the ball like they have and Fitzpatrick hasn't looked great so why not run the ball 30x or more per game if it's effective.

 
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
Isn't that most always the case though? That's inherently why one person owns one guy over another...they value him more, so they used a higher draft pick, etc. I'm a Jackson owner (drafted with pick 3-12), but with that said, if Jackson was back tomorrow, and the Spiller owner offered me Spiller for Jackson straight-up, I'd take it. But...that'll never happen, and for me, the price I'd have to pay to get Spiller is just too high. And the offer I'd likely get for Jackson is too low. So we're stuck, and I'd bet it's that way in many leagues.That said, I think Jackson still has a good bit of value here. To be clear, he hasn't had two knee injuries (correct me if I'm wrong). He broke his leg last year, which, in reality, should have no long-term effects, and isn't knee related. This injury, while a knee injury, isn't like a torn ligament or anything either. I also don't think one can tag him as "injury prone" yet as he had 3 straight healthy seasons prior to these last 2 issues. Now if he comes back from this one and gets hurt again...I might change my mind, but if he hadn't broken his leg last year, nobody would be saying anything about this sprain.

The last thing I think Jackson has going in his favor is that he's an excellent blocker. He was the best pass blocker in pass blocking efficiency last year. That's very key. Spiller may do more with the ball in his hands, but one could easily argue that Jackson is more beneficial to the team as a whole.

Time will tell, but I think this will end up being much more RBBC than either one winning out going forward.

 
As a Spiller owner I think he'll produce nice FF stats even in a 50/50 split with Jackson, if and when he comes back. And I'll also bet that Spiller would put up better stats of the two. I wouldn't trade for Jackson just because of his age, plus he's had two big injuries in a short time span. I could be wrong of course, but hey, we're all just trying to predict the future. If I needed another RB I'd look elsewhere and let the current Jackson owner deal with a potential headache.

 
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Players seldom lose their starting job to injury. Spiller owners are sure to go nuts when Fjax gets his 20 carries back.

 
Players seldom lose their starting job to injury. Spiller owners are sure to go nuts when Fjax gets his 20 carries back.
Coaches say that but don't always do that. Who was it Randall Cunningham replaces due to injury back in the day in Minnesota? Coaches said the starter would be back when he was 100%. Damnedest thing. The guy was only 98% the rest of the season and Cunningham shredded the league...
 
Unless Spiller owners believe he is going to continue to lead the league in rushing all year his value is WAY to high right now. Jackson is slated to come back for week 5 and even then probably won't see a very high work load. So, any Jackson or Spiller owners need to hold on a few weeks and let Spiller come back down to Earth and let both players' values level off a bit.

 
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
I really really try to be unbias, it's human nature to have a favorite so you might be right. They way I look at it is if I'm drafting today where would I take Spiller vs Jackson? I wouldn't think of Jackson as more than a high end handcuff honestly, sort of like D.Murry and F.Jones a year ago how this is playing out. The only difference is Buf can't be counted on to make the best decision, they would rather go with the cool story like a CFL running back from Coe College or the only Ivy league staring QB ect...
 
I think those who feel FJax will simply be a bit player upon his return are overestimating the ability of the Bills to produce in the passing game. When Jackson gets back, you can argue that he's still going to be the 2nd best offensive player on the Bills.

Now, he's probably going to cede his RB1 slot to Spiller based on Spiller's emergence, but I certainly think Jackson can become the Bills version of Thomas Jones 2010. And if he does that, then he's most definitely in that FF RB2 territory.

 
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
Isn't that most always the case though? That's inherently why one person owns one guy over another...they value him more, so they used a higher draft pick, etc. I'm a Jackson owner (drafted with pick 3-12), but with that said, if Jackson was back tomorrow, and the Spiller owner offered me Spiller for Jackson straight-up, I'd take it. But...that'll never happen, and for me, the price I'd have to pay to get Spiller is just too high. And the offer I'd likely get for Jackson is too low. So we're stuck, and I'd bet it's that way in many leagues.

That said, I think Jackson still has a good bit of value here. To be clear, he hasn't had two knee injuries (correct me if I'm wrong). He broke his leg last year, which, in reality, should have no long-term effects, and isn't knee related. This injury, while a knee injury, isn't like a torn ligament or anything either. I also don't think one can tag him as "injury prone" yet as he had 3 straight healthy seasons prior to these last 2 issues. Now if he comes back from this one and gets hurt again...I might change my mind, but if he hadn't broken his leg last year, nobody would be saying anything about this sprain.

The last thing I think Jackson has going in his favor is that he's an excellent blocker. He was the best pass blocker in pass blocking efficiency last year. That's very key. Spiller may do more with the ball in his hands, but one could easily argue that Jackson is more beneficial to the team as a whole.

Time will tell, but I think this will end up being much more RBBC than either one winning out going forward.
Bolded = he has a sprained LCL liagment, which is a partial tear, not completely torn. no surgery, he needs rest & rehab.

 
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
The only difference is Buf can't be counted on to make the best decision, they would rather go with the cool story like a CFL running back from Coe College or the only Ivy league staring QB ect...
This is sheer silliness. Jackson was the best RB in football before he broke his leg last year, not some charity case.
 
'GroveDiesel said:
'ShaHBucks said:
'dagwood said:
'ShaHBucks said:
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
The only difference is Buf can't be counted on to make the best decision, they would rather go with the cool story like a CFL running back from Coe College or the only Ivy league staring QB ect...
This is sheer silliness. Jackson was the best RB in football before he broke his leg last year, not some charity case.
+1. fjax is indeed one of the best rb's in football. he averaged a ridiculous 3.75 yards per carry after contact last season. moreover, he's been performing at that level for the past few years. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/27/2011-elusive-rating/https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/01/three-years-of-the-elusive-rating/
 
'GroveDiesel said:
'ShaHBucks said:
'dagwood said:
'ShaHBucks said:
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
The only difference is Buf can't be counted on to make the best decision, they would rather go with the cool story like a CFL running back from Coe College or the only Ivy league staring QB ect...
This is sheer silliness. Jackson was the best RB in football before he broke his leg last year, not some charity case.
But how long can he maintain that? He's 31. How many more years does he have? I'd say its this year. His body is wearing down. Don't give me the mileage BS. Wear on the tires and so on. As the body ages it takes longer to heal. Him rushing back is not a good idea IMO. The coaches better not give him a full load or he'll be right back on the training table...
 
'GroveDiesel said:
'ShaHBucks said:
'dagwood said:
'ShaHBucks said:
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
The only difference is Buf can't be counted on to make the best decision, they would rather go with the cool story like a CFL running back from Coe College or the only Ivy league staring QB ect...
This is sheer silliness. Jackson was the best RB in football before he broke his leg last year, not some charity case.
I agree with this. Lost in all the Spiller hype is how well Jackson has performed as the lead dog in the exact same offense. Maybe, just maybe, the coaching staff knows what they are doing in terms of actual football (and not fantasy) decisions.
 
Look, nobody here is expected Jackson to get nothing. What is expected that Spiller gets about 60-65% of the carries and Jackson 35-40%, since Spiller has clearly shown elite talent (not like Jackson isn't talented as well).

That said, I own Spiller in an keeper league, and I also have Rice, Richardson, P Thomas, Leshoure and Hunter. I have no need for FJax, and if did, I wouldn't acquire him unless it was really cheap.

 
Look, nobody here is expected Jackson to get nothing. What is expected that Spiller gets about 60-65% of the carries and Jackson 35-40%, since Spiller has clearly shown elite talent (not like Jackson isn't talented as well).That said, I own Spiller in an keeper league, and I also have Rice, Richardson, P Thomas, Leshoure and Hunter. I have no need for FJax, and if did, I wouldn't acquire him unless it was really cheap.
Really? Is that what is expected? Where is the link?The bottom line is that nobody really knows what is going to transpire....FJAx could never be back to normal or he could come back stronger than ever. Meanwhile anyone who owns either of them has a tough decision to make. Me personally, I am going to try and unload FJax to the Spiller owner for either a RB 2 or a decent WR (ppr).
 
No interest in Jackson. He likely won't be back until after their bye week. He's a year older and 2 injuries from the player he was last year.

Marshall Faulk was a beast a few years ago, but i'm not picking him up on my fantasy team thinking he's the same guy he was in the past.

 
There is a lot more to football than fantasy numbers in a couple of games. These coaches work day in and day out with these guys. Their is a reason that Fred Jackson is their starter. Spiller is very exciting with the ball. That doesn't mean that they plan on having him carry the load, or even a large chunk of it. It's very likely that Jackson goes right back into his starting role and Spiller gets 25% of the carries or so. That will keep a guy like Spiller fresh for the year, and Jackson is a better pass blocker and a great RB as well. I don't know what will happen, and neither does anyone else on here. However, people always blow things way out of proportion when a backup has a couple big games when a starter gets hurt. However, rarely ever does it result in the starter losing his job. Especially when the starter has already proven to put up big games himself.

 
There is a lot more to football than fantasy numbers in a couple of games. These coaches work day in and day out with these guys. Their is a reason that Fred Jackson is their starter. Spiller is very exciting with the ball. That doesn't mean that they plan on having him carry the load, or even a large chunk of it. It's very likely that Jackson goes right back into his starting role and Spiller gets 25% of the carries or so. That will keep a guy like Spiller fresh for the year, and Jackson is a better pass blocker and a great RB as well. I don't know what will happen, and neither does anyone else on here. However, people always blow things way out of proportion when a backup has a couple big games when a starter gets hurt. However, rarely ever does it result in the starter losing his job. Especially when the starter has already proven to put up big games himself.
I agree with a lot of this - except it isn't a couple of games. It's two games this year and several games last year.
 
I'm going to post this in a couple of Spiller threads, because I think it's interesting.

Since filling in for Fred Jackson in week 10 of 2011, and including two games this year, the only WR or RB with more fantasy points than CJ Spiller is Calvin Johnson.

I cannot provide a link, since I heard Matthew Berry point this out on his podcast this week (9-17-12). As a Spiller dynasty owner, I'm trying to be objective here. I think that there are Spiller owners that just assume he's won the starting job - despite the fact that the Bills' coaching staff loves Jackson. So I know this stat is sure to make this debate even more contentious - but it's still worth knowing.

 
'GroveDiesel said:
'ShaHBucks said:
'dagwood said:
'ShaHBucks said:
I tried. FJax owners and not going for his current value, almost like they don't buy Spiller. Then I realize he's 31 coming off of two knee injuries with a better RB on the team so idc. I really want to make a blockbuster trade with Spiller, the Bills are one team that would do something as stupid as putting Spiller back on the bench for FJax. Hell he's been there for two years and they did the same with Lynch. I wouldn't give more than a Leshoure or Pierre Thomas type right now for FJax.
And herein lies the problem. Spiller owners are "overvalueing" Spiller and "undervalueing" Jackson. Jackson owners are "overvalueing" Jackson and "undervalueing" Spiller. There is risk on both sides. Jackson produced at high RB1 rate when he was healthy. No telling what Buffalo will do when he comes back or how long it will take him to get to 100%. Buffalo could continue play Spiller; move Jackson back to the lead role; or split carries. Depending on what they do, the value of these backs in a redraft will vary dramatically.
The only difference is Buf can't be counted on to make the best decision, they would rather go with the cool story like a CFL running back from Coe College or the only Ivy league staring QB ect...
This is sheer silliness. Jackson was the best RB in football before he broke his leg last year, not some charity case.
I agree with this. Lost in all the Spiller hype is how well Jackson has performed as the lead dog in the exact same offense. Maybe, just maybe, the coaching staff knows what they are doing in terms of actual football (and not fantasy) decisions.
My thing with Jackson was he is a injury risk at this point, if he was to stay healthy all year then whatever he beat odds. The other issue was CJ Spiller, no way I was touching him with a more electric running back behind him. Spiller looks like someone pressed fast forward when he gets the ball. It was always Spiller or avoid the Bill backfield. The reason I say the Bills can be illogical is they only used him to this date because of injuries. For two years you can't figure out a way to consistently let Spiller put pressure on defenses? I cant think of any better player on the team to have more involved. That's not a knock entirely on FJax, more so the coaches. This is the 2nd year in a row I've cashed in on Spiller because of FJax injuries. As of now I'm not scared of FJax because he's hurt lol. I'll ride Spiller for now unless I'm blown out of my socks by a offer, maybe later in a few weeks we can talk.
 
FJax owner in my 16-teamer was being stingy after Week 1 largely due to having won that week despite FJax going down.

Tried to fleece Spiller from me for waiver fodder and then tried selling me FJax for Doug Martin.

Was having none of that.

He then made a desperation gamble trade sending FJax to another owner for Donald Brown so he could start 2 healthy "starting" RBs against me last week. Naturally, I crushed him.

So now I'm trying to swing a deal with FJax owner #2 who happens to be 0-2 and currently has Toby Gerhart against the 49ers in his starting lineup.

Offering up Kendall Hunter and the Bills D/ST for FJax. (I've also got the Cards; he's starting the Giants.)

Nobody makes the money in this league if they start 0-3 so I'm hoping he'll bite.

 

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