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Being an incurable homer I hope he and Thomas Jones (take Boldin too) end up in NE... but dang! ? Do the Chargers know something we don't? That's a game changing player to just let walk.

 
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Clearly team brass must be stinging from franchising him last year, and he didn't exactly live up to the lofty paycheck.

 
Being an incurable homer I hope he and Thomas Jones (take Boldin too) end up in NE... but dang! ? Do the Chargers know something we don't? That's a game changing player to just let walk.
According to rotoworld, a tender would have required SD to pay him 7mil and that AJ Smith didn't think hes worth it... :thumbdown:
 
any tender has to be 10% over previous years salary, means Sproles would get 7.3 million. This was expected.
but after letting LT walk, it seemed as if they might dish it out. sure hes not an every down back, but hes dangerous whenever he touches the ball. cribb's is getting a larger contract to do basically the same thing lol... anyway, whoever SD ends up drafting should get bumped up a couple more spots now imo.
 
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any tender has to be 10% over previous years salary, means Sproles would get 7.3 million. This was expected.
but after letting LT walk, it seemed as if they might dish it out. guess not. whoever SD ends up drafting should get bumped up a couple more spots now imo.
agreed and I think Dwyer, Mathews, Best, and Gerhart are your top candidates. Gerhart just feels like the kind of player AJ Smith will like, and Dwyer may go before their pick if he runs under 4.45 and weighs 220-225
 
the more i think about it the more i really like the idea of the packers going after sproles. that offense would be VERY dangerous with a guy like him.

 
The Chargers were in a tough spot. I think they'd love to keep him, but that's a lot of money to pay Sproles at this point and with the number of RB's available, I think AJ is confident that he can replace his production. Personally, I'm bummed, as I just love this guy and I think the team will miss him.

 
Punt return average:

2008 - 11.3

2009 - 7.0

Kickoff return average:

2008 - 26.0

2009 - 24.1

Rushing average:

2008 - 5.4

2009 - 3.7

Receiving average:

2008 - 11.8

2009 - 11.0

TDs:

2008 - 7 TDs on 165 touches (including special teams) = 1 TD every 23.6 touches

2009 - 8 TDs on 228 touches = 1 TD every 28.5 touches

It's not that Sproles was bad in 2009. But he wasn't nearly the impact player he was in 2008 when the Chargers decided to franchise him. In retrospect, he wasn't worth his 2009 salary, so it certainly didn't make sense to give him a 10% raise for 2010. I assume the Chargers would consider bringing him back at a more reasonable salary, but I assume he'll find another team who will pay him more.

 
5'6" and "185"... *cough* on a good day.

$7M/yr RBs in their prime dont get owned like this:

We dont know that, do we?Point is that tiny little RBs who rely purely on speed are not worth nearly seven and a half million a year. He is not an RB1, and really, there is no reason to pay him like one.

 
5'6" and "185"... *cough* on a good day.

$7M/yr RBs in their prime dont get owned like this:

I agree with you, actually (although I love the energy that Sproles brought to the Chargers). Just saying that play wasn't his fault -- he got hit right when he got the ball. Blame the O Line.
 
5'6" and "185"... *cough* on a good day.

$7M/yr RBs in their prime dont get owned like this:

Yeah that's not what I got from his original post either. Pretty sure any RB from the league minimum to the highest paid would have had the same result on that play.
 
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This is just a money move. If he tests the FA market and doesn't get much of a sniff and then comes back for a 2-3 year deal with a nice $4-5 million signing bonus then the Chargers maybe take a RB after the 2nd round and use both in a complimentary fashion. If Sproles doesn't come back because someone else gave him a nice offer then they may go higher in the draft for a RB.

Like the stats said above, can't have a guy making $7.3 million underperforming on special teams and playing second fiddle in the running game. Just not cost effective. They could wind up saving 2.5-3 million if he doesn't see much in FA and that could be a solid contributor in say a dime package D or an extra LB.

I'm a big Sproles fan but this is more about the money and the cost of tagging him a second year in a row...

 
That's a game changing player to just let walk.
I don't think he has changed too many games since that Indy playoff win.
What went wrong with the SD running game last year? I mean I understand LT getting older but Sproles came back to earth so to speak too. Aside from Kaeding, I think the lack of a running game is really what hurt them in the playoff game against NYJ.
i dont really think that sproles changed much, and its entirely on LT or lack of a lead back. sproles has never been a between the tackles guy. he needs space. he really excells in the passing game, third down situations and as a return man.i think the reason his stats went down this season is because he was being forced into that lead back situation and just couldn't perform. he's not a lead back and never will be imo. his passing stats are still what they were in previous years, but the rushing stats took a hit because of him taking on that lead back role that he wasn't big enough to fill (pun? intended).i'm going to throw this out there again... sproles wearing the green and gold 2010.
 
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What went wrong with the SD running game last year? I mean I understand LT getting older but Sproles came back to earth so to speak too. Aside from Kaeding, I think the lack of a running game is really what hurt them in the playoff game against NYJ.
i dont really think that sproles changed much, and its entirely on LT or lack of a lead back. sproles has never been a between the tackles guy. he needs space. he really excells in the passing game, third down situations and as a return man.i think the reason his stats went down this season is because he was being forced into that lead back situation and just couldn't perform. he's not a lead back and never will be imo. his passing stats are still what they were in previous years, but the rushing stats took a hit because of him taking on that lead back role that he wasn't big enough to fill (pun? intended).i'm going to throw this out there again... sproles wearing the green and gold 2010.
Wow... so Sproles being terrible is LT's fault...Amazing.
 
What went wrong with the SD running game last year? I mean I understand LT getting older but Sproles came back to earth so to speak too. Aside from Kaeding, I think the lack of a running game is really what hurt them in the playoff game against NYJ.
i dont really think that sproles changed much, and its entirely on LT or lack of a lead back. sproles has never been a between the tackles guy. he needs space. he really excells in the passing game, third down situations and as a return man.i think the reason his stats went down this season is because he was being forced into that lead back situation and just couldn't perform. he's not a lead back and never will be imo. his passing stats are still what they were in previous years, but the rushing stats took a hit because of him taking on that lead back role that he wasn't big enough to fill (pun? intended).i'm going to throw this out there again... sproles wearing the green and gold 2010.
Wow... so Sproles being terrible is LT's fault...Amazing.
if i put that between the lines, it wasn't intentional. my apologies. what i meant to put between the lines was that i dont think sproles was the guy to pick up LT's slack.
 
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What went wrong with the SD running game last year? I mean I understand LT getting older but Sproles came back to earth so to speak too. Aside from Kaeding, I think the lack of a running game is really what hurt them in the playoff game against NYJ.
i dont really think that sproles changed much, and its entirely on LT or lack of a lead back. sproles has never been a between the tackles guy. he needs space. he really excells in the passing game, third down situations and as a return man.i think the reason his stats went down this season is because he was being forced into that lead back situation and just couldn't perform. he's not a lead back and never will be imo. his passing stats are still what they were in previous years, but the rushing stats took a hit because of him taking on that lead back role that he wasn't big enough to fill (pun? intended).i'm going to throw this out there again... sproles wearing the green and gold 2010.
Wow... so Sproles being terrible is LT's fault...Amazing.
if i put that in between the lines, it wasn't intentional. my apologies. what i meant to put between the lines was that i dont think sproles was the guy to pick up LT's slack.
Gotcha. I wholeheartedly agree.
 
i think the reason his stats went down this season is because he was being forced into that lead back situation and just couldn't perform.
He only carried the ball less than an average of 6 times per game. I don't think that is anyone's idea of a lead back. His average carries per game only increased by two.
 
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i think the reason his stats went down this season is because he was being forced into that lead back situation and just couldn't perform.
He was the primary guy for two games. He averaged 103 total yards on 13.5 touches those two weeks. Sproles put up 150 total yards in one of the two games when he was the guy.LT had 13 games (threw out week 17 where he only had three touches) where he averaged 18+ touches for 66 total yards.LT had two games over 100 total yards, one at 100 even and another at 117.
He only carried the ball less than an average of 6 times per game. I don't think that is anyone's idea of a lead back. His average carries per game only increased by two.
Sproles' Per Game Average with 7+ touches:8.8 rushes3.3 recepts73 Total Yards.77 TDSproles' Per Game Average with 6 or fewer touches:2 Carries2.1 Recepts27 Total Yards0 TD
 
the point i was trying to make is that it seems the games where he was the lead back flawed his overall stats compared to his norm of the seasons passed. it was a response to the "coming down to earth" statement. he still did good when he was within his normal role imo. when he isnt, and has to run between the tackles, he doesn't do so well.

 
Buffaloes said:
Polar Dude said:
AngryPatriot said:
That's a game changing player to just let walk.
I don't think he has changed too many games since that Indy playoff win.
What went wrong with the SD running game last year? I mean I understand LT getting older but Sproles came back to earth so to speak too. Aside from Kaeding, I think the lack of a running game is really what hurt them in the playoff game against NYJ.
See the Ray Lewis link posted above. Run blocking was crap, and add in predictable, unimaginative play calling.
 
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The Chargers were in a tough spot. I think they'd love to keep him, but that's a lot of money to pay Sproles at this point and with the number of RB's available, I think AJ is confident that he can replace his production. Personally, I'm bummed, as I just love this guy and I think the team will miss him.
lots of RB's on the market this year. if Sproles gets out there and doesn't find the money he thought there'd be, no reason the Chargers can't still try to sign him to a longer term deal. signing him for one year at almost $8 million just isn't practical.
 
TS Garp said:
The Chargers were in a tough spot. I think they'd love to keep him, but that's a lot of money to pay Sproles at this point and with the number of RB's available, I think AJ is confident that he can replace his production. Personally, I'm bummed, as I just love this guy and I think the team will miss him.
lots of RB's on the market this year. if Sproles gets out there and doesn't find the money he thought there'd be, no reason the Chargers can't still try to sign him to a longer term deal. signing him for one year at almost $8 million just isn't practical.
I agree with you in regards to plenty of FA's RB's being on the market this year BUT remember the "final 8" rule. I doubt very much Tomlinson gets much of a contract despite what people say.It would actually be advantageous to SD if someone overpaid for Sproles. The more the better so SD can go out and sign some FA(s).I've always liked Sproles but think they should just keep Cromartie, have Cromartie return kicks/punts while he plays for a new contract and pick up a cheaper 3rd down back.With all the $ they are saving from last years under-performing backfield they might be able to afford quite a bit of help in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
 
Damn you, Gartrell Johnson (I drafted him last year on the hopes of this very eventuality in the offseason--LT and Sproles gone)

 
Look for San Diego to pursue Willie Parker.
That seems like a poor fit IMO. San Diego uses its RBs heavily in the passing game, and that is not a strong suit for Parker. And Parker turns 30 in November.
Not so fast.I agree Parker is pretty one dimensional as a runner but that's what will keep his salary very, very low. I think he could certainly contribute as 1/3rd of a backfield. I'd be all for signing someone like Parker or LJ before the draft so they don't have to reach in the draft and can let value drop to them. Even if they were to able to move up and take a Spiller(which I think is very possible considering SD's FA restrictions) then you can keep a Parker/LJ as veteran depth.I don't think guys like that will have any penalty associated with dropping just before the season if they aren't fitting or a better FA RB become available.
 
Damn you, Gartrell Johnson (I drafted him last year on the hopes of this very eventuality in the offseason--LT and Sproles gone)
I think there's a shot he may end up in SD. The Giants have Jacobs/Bradshaw/Ware firmly entrenched ahead of him on the depth chart so there's no guarantee he even makes their roster.SD obviously like him or they wouldn't have drafted him.
 
Look for San Diego to pursue Willie Parker.
That seems like a poor fit IMO. San Diego uses its RBs heavily in the passing game, and that is not a strong suit for Parker. And Parker turns 30 in November.
Not so fast.I agree Parker is pretty one dimensional as a runner but that's what will keep his salary very, very low. I think he could certainly contribute as 1/3rd of a backfield. I'd be all for signing someone like Parker or LJ before the draft so they don't have to reach in the draft and can let value drop to them. Even if they were to able to move up and take a Spiller(which I think is very possible considering SD's FA restrictions) then you can keep a Parker/LJ as veteran depth.I don't think guys like that will have any penalty associated with dropping just before the season if they aren't fitting or a better FA RB become available.
Agree about them signing a cheap veteran, but I think LJ has a lot more left than Parker, despite being a year older. I can't see them being interested in Parker.
 
Look for San Diego to pursue Willie Parker.
That seems like a poor fit IMO. San Diego uses its RBs heavily in the passing game, and that is not a strong suit for Parker. And Parker turns 30 in November.
Not so fast.I agree Parker is pretty one dimensional as a runner but that's what will keep his salary very, very low. I think he could certainly contribute as 1/3rd of a backfield. I'd be all for signing someone like Parker or LJ before the draft so they don't have to reach in the draft and can let value drop to them. Even if they were to able to move up and take a Spiller(which I think is very possible considering SD's FA restrictions) then you can keep a Parker/LJ as veteran depth.I don't think guys like that will have any penalty associated with dropping just before the season if they aren't fitting or a better FA RB become available.
Agree about them signing a cheap veteran, but I think LJ has a lot more left than Parker, despite being a year older. I can't see them being interested in Parker.
Depends on what you're looking for. You have to keep in mind that it's not ALL about football skills. I completely agree LJ is a better rounded and probably more talented RB than Parker BUT there's a reason that guy hasn't found a backup job... attitude. Despite all the inane babble about one or two instances in a decade making Tomlinson a cry baby I always got the feeling he was a good locker room influence and those inside the organization have always said glowing things about him. There are a ton of HOF RB's that would have made a lot more of a fuss about having to renegotiate a contract than Tomlinson did to stay on the team a year ago. If you do go out and sign an LJ you have to wonder how he's going to react if you draft a RB or bring in another during summer cut-down dates. One would have hoped he's matured since he's been without a job but you never know. For the role he's going to play in the teams ultimate success you can't put up with too much of a locker room distraction... which may explain while he's still on the market.
 
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Look for San Diego to pursue Willie Parker.
That seems like a poor fit IMO. San Diego uses its RBs heavily in the passing game, and that is not a strong suit for Parker. And Parker turns 30 in November.
Not so fast.I agree Parker is pretty one dimensional as a runner but that's what will keep his salary very, very low. I think he could certainly contribute as 1/3rd of a backfield. I'd be all for signing someone like Parker or LJ before the draft so they don't have to reach in the draft and can let value drop to them. Even if they were to able to move up and take a Spiller(which I think is very possible considering SD's FA restrictions) then you can keep a Parker/LJ as veteran depth.I don't think guys like that will have any penalty associated with dropping just before the season if they aren't fitting or a better FA RB become available.
Agree about them signing a cheap veteran, but I think LJ has a lot more left than Parker, despite being a year older. I can't see them being interested in Parker.
Depends on what you're looking for. You have to keep in mind that it's not ALL about football skills. I completely agree LJ is a better rounded and probably more talented RB than Parker BUT there's a reason that guy hasn't found a backup job... attitude. Despite all the inane babble about one or two instances in a decade making Tomlinson a cry baby I always got the feeling he was a good locker room influence and those inside the organization have always said glowing things about him. There are a ton of HOF RB's that would have made a lot more of a fuss about having to renegotiate a contract than Tomlinson did to stay on the team a year ago. If you do go out and sign an LJ you have to wonder how he's going to react if you draft a RB or bring in another during summer cut-down dates. One would have hoped he's matured since he's been without a job but you never know. For the role he's going to play in the teams ultimate success you can't put up with too much of a locker room distraction... which may explain while he's still on the market.
Definitely agree on LJ's attitude. We'll see what happens. It's looking more and more likely that Thomas Jones will b a free agent, so there are going to be a lot of choices out there between free agents, the draft, and trades, and I'm cautiously optimistic that AJ will make a smart decision.
 
Definitely agree on LJ's attitude. We'll see what happens. It's looking more and more likely that Thomas Jones will b a free agent, so there are going to be a lot of choices out there between free agents, the draft, and trades, and I'm cautiously optimistic that AJ will make a smart decision.
I trust in AJ too, but if he just would have franchised Turner for one season the team would be in a much, much better situation imo. He's made many more hits than misses though.I don't think SD will be able to sign guys like Chester Taylor or Thomas Jones due to FA restrictions unless someone overpays wildly for Sproles or Tomlinson. It's really difficult to gauge what interest will be in Sproles because he plays such a well defined role.... but he plays it very, very well. Just as a fan of football I think it would be fun to see Sproles in that NO offense if they let Bush walk. If there was interest from multiple teams I can see NO being a team that could pay Sproles handsomely to produce more than Bush did while still costing much less than the salary of Bush without the constant injury concerns.
 
Definitely agree on LJ's attitude. We'll see what happens. It's looking more and more likely that Thomas Jones will b a free agent, so there are going to be a lot of choices out there between free agents, the draft, and trades, and I'm cautiously optimistic that AJ will make a smart decision.
I trust in AJ too, but if he just would have franchised Turner for one season the team would be in a much, much better situation imo. He's made many more hits than misses though.I don't think SD will be able to sign guys like Chester Taylor or Thomas Jones due to FA restrictions unless someone overpays wildly for Sproles or Tomlinson. It's really difficult to gauge what interest will be in Sproles because he plays such a well defined role.... but he plays it very, very well. Just as a fan of football I think it would be fun to see Sproles in that NO offense if they let Bush walk. If there was interest from multiple teams I can see NO being a team that could pay Sproles handsomely to produce more than Bush did while still costing much less than the salary of Bush without the constant injury concerns.
I was hoping this as well but it looks like Bush will be staying in NO.
 
What selections do the Chargers have in this year's draft? I wonder if they're likely, with the depth at RB, to pick a couple of RBs but not until the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds.

SD-homers, does this make any sense?

 
What selections do the Chargers have in this year's draft? I wonder if they're likely, with the depth at RB, to pick a couple of RBs but not until the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds.SD-homers, does this make any sense?
They have all of their early picks, but not a 6th rounder, I believe. It's so hard to say -- I could see AJ doing what you're suggesting if there's someone he really likes who he thinks is falling, but I could just as easily see him trading up for Spiller. Very hard to say at this point.
 
if SD takes a RB with their first pick, whoever it is, could become fantasy relevant immediately. looks like there's another thread discussing this... lets talk about where sproles ends up! GO PACK GO!

 
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