Considering how long I waited on QBs, I can't ask for anything better than what I got at 7.01/8.16. All I need is for them to be average most weeks, and let Foster and the WRs carry the team. Overall, I'm very happy with the value I've gotten for my picks -- most everyone here was drafted earlier in SSL1/SSL2, or listed higher on the FBG staff rankings. I may have to scramble for some TE depth in the later rounds, but otherwise this looks pretty solid..7.01 AB in DC - Carson Palmer - QB15 - OAK
8.16 AB in DC - Christian Ponder - QB23 - MIN
1.01 AB in DC - Arian Foster - RB1 - HOU
3.01 AB in DC - DeMarco Murray - RB13 - DAL
9.01 AB in DC - Jacquizz Rodgers - RB44 - ATL
2.16 AB in DC - Victor Cruz - WR9 - NYG
4.16 AB in DC - Antonio Brown - WR22 - PIT
5.01 AB in DC - Steve Johnson - WR23 - BUF
6.16 AB in DC - Kellen Winslow - TE15 - TBB
Does everyone just talk about their own team?Considering how long I waited on QBs, I can't ask for anything better than what I got at 7.01/8.16. All I need is for them to be average most weeks, and let Foster and the WRs carry the team. Overall, I'm very happy with the value I've gotten for my picks -- most everyone here was drafted earlier in SSL1/SSL2, or listed higher on the FBG staff rankings. I may have to scramble for some TE depth in the later rounds, but otherwise this looks pretty solid..7.01 AB in DC - Carson Palmer - QB15 - OAK
8.16 AB in DC - Christian Ponder - QB23 - MIN
1.01 AB in DC - Arian Foster - RB1 - HOU
3.01 AB in DC - DeMarco Murray - RB13 - DAL
9.01 AB in DC - Jacquizz Rodgers - RB44 - ATL
2.16 AB in DC - Victor Cruz - WR9 - NYG
4.16 AB in DC - Antonio Brown - WR22 - PIT
5.01 AB in DC - Steve Johnson - WR23 - BUF
6.16 AB in DC - Kellen Winslow - TE15 - TBB
I can't be the one ripping on your depth picks as I also have 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, and 2 TEs. I agree that the season long capabilities for the remaining QBs are suspect. Middle of the draft is definitely my preferred location in 16 teamers as you can occasionally draft value. Near the end, you have a tendency to commit to your current weakness or go with what you perceive to be where positional runs are coming.Someone can feel free to rip me for taking backups at positions that only require 1 starter before taking backup RB/WRs. I was going purly on positional runs. Dont care for the TEs left and only a few QBs Id want. Hopefully I can hit on some late round guys. Its tough trying to predict the next 28 picks. I love middle picks in big leagues like this. Easier to adjust to the flow of the draft.
I used to go team by team...however this draft has been very enjoyable for everyone, we have a couple new folks, no reason for MOP to start taking a blowtorch to some teams. I have some questions but when you look at the teams that won last year, 2 or 3 of them had Gronkowski at TE...I'm not saying it is luck but a handful of players make the difference really.I guess I could highlight the ones I like but I never like anyone's more than mine or else I would have drafted those players...I clearly show I'm not concerned as much about ADP as I am about getting "my guys".Does everyone just talk about their own team?Considering how long I waited on QBs, I can't ask for anything better than what I got at 7.01/8.16. All I need is for them to be average most weeks, and let Foster and the WRs carry the team. Overall, I'm very happy with the value I've gotten for my picks -- most everyone here was drafted earlier in SSL1/SSL2, or listed higher on the FBG staff rankings. I may have to scramble for some TE depth in the later rounds, but otherwise this looks pretty solid..7.01 AB in DC - Carson Palmer - QB15 - OAK
8.16 AB in DC - Christian Ponder - QB23 - MIN
1.01 AB in DC - Arian Foster - RB1 - HOU
3.01 AB in DC - DeMarco Murray - RB13 - DAL
9.01 AB in DC - Jacquizz Rodgers - RB44 - ATL
2.16 AB in DC - Victor Cruz - WR9 - NYG
4.16 AB in DC - Antonio Brown - WR22 - PIT
5.01 AB in DC - Steve Johnson - WR23 - BUF
6.16 AB in DC - Kellen Winslow - TE15 - TBB
(Should we tell him that he can find that out by looking at the other 2-3 leagues and where they took the next 28 players?)"Shut up MOP!"Someone can feel free to rip me for taking backups at positions that only require 1 starter before taking backup RB/WRs. I was going purly on positional runs. Dont care for the TEs left and only a few QBs Id want. Hopefully I can hit on some late round guys. Its tough trying to predict the next 28 picks. I love middle picks in big leagues like this. Easier to adjust to the flow of the draft.
That didn't work out for me to well on QB 2. Luck went early, Palmer didn't drop a little and the next three drafted had the same bye as Schaub.(Should we tell him that he can find that out by looking at the other 2-3 leagues and where they took the next 28 players?)"Shut up MOP!"Someone can feel free to rip me for taking backups at positions that only require 1 starter before taking backup RB/WRs. I was going purly on positional runs. Dont care for the TEs left and only a few QBs Id want. Hopefully I can hit on some late round guys. Its tough trying to predict the next 28 picks. I love middle picks in big leagues like this. Easier to adjust to the flow of the draft.
(OK, yeah no reason to point that out)
But the other SSL leagues don't use the same drafting strategies as used in SSL4(Should we tell him that he can find that out by looking at the other 2-3 leagues and where they took the next 28 players?)"Shut up MOP!"Someone can feel free to rip me for taking backups at positions that only require 1 starter before taking backup RB/WRs. I was going purly on positional runs. Dont care for the TEs left and only a few QBs Id want. Hopefully I can hit on some late round guys. Its tough trying to predict the next 28 picks. I love middle picks in big leagues like this. Easier to adjust to the flow of the draft.
(OK, yeah no reason to point that out)
True, but it was a good barometer for me to figure out who would hurt the most if they got taken before I picked again.But the other SSL leagues don't use the same drafting strategies as used in SSL4(Should we tell him that he can find that out by looking at the other 2-3 leagues and where they took the next 28 players?)"Shut up MOP!"Someone can feel free to rip me for taking backups at positions that only require 1 starter before taking backup RB/WRs. I was going purly on positional runs. Dont care for the TEs left and only a few QBs Id want. Hopefully I can hit on some late round guys. Its tough trying to predict the next 28 picks. I love middle picks in big leagues like this. Easier to adjust to the flow of the draft.
(OK, yeah no reason to point that out)
Any guess who is the "worst" pick so far according to ADP, meaning the player with the lowest ADP that has been selected?I had a couple of RB sleepers that I was planning to take around 10th or 11th round and they are long gone. Maybe it would be better if some of y'all paid closer attention to ADP so that my guys could slide like they were supposed to.
Worse at the spot they were taken or worse as of now?Any guess who is the "worst" pick so far according to ADP, meaning the player with the lowest ADP that has been selected?I had a couple of RB sleepers that I was planning to take around 10th or 11th round and they are long gone. Maybe it would be better if some of y'all paid closer attention to ADP so that my guys could slide like they were supposed to.
Rashard Mendenhall went 15.10 in SSL1 and still hasn't been drafted in SSL2. (Though frankly, that seems awfully late...if Mendenhall is only worth a 15th round pick, then Isaac Redman should be a 5th rounder at worst.)Any guess who is the "worst" pick so far according to ADP, meaning the player with the lowest ADP that has been selected?I had a couple of RB sleepers that I was planning to take around 10th or 11th round and they are long gone. Maybe it would be better if some of y'all paid closer attention to ADP so that my guys could slide like they were supposed to.
Not necessarily judging the biggest reach, just the lowest ranked player that has been drafted, according to current ADP.Worse at the spot they were taken or worse as of now?Any guess who is the "worst" pick so far according to ADP, meaning the player with the lowest ADP that has been selected?I had a couple of RB sleepers that I was planning to take around 10th or 11th round and they are long gone. Maybe it would be better if some of y'all paid closer attention to ADP so that my guys could slide like they were supposed to.
For RB, I would guess Vereen (my pick) or Kendall Hunter.Not necessarily judging the biggest reach, just the lowest ranked player that has been drafted, according to current ADP.Worse at the spot they were taken or worse as of now?Any guess who is the "worst" pick so far according to ADP, meaning the player with the lowest ADP that has been selected?I had a couple of RB sleepers that I was planning to take around 10th or 11th round and they are long gone. Maybe it would be better if some of y'all paid closer attention to ADP so that my guys could slide like they were supposed to.
It is Moss that I was referring to and I also think he will do better than many expect. I just thought it was funny that the guy who made that pick was complaining about others reaching and not drafting according to ADP.S Moss, who I suspected was the answer, Ponder, and Rudolph. Were some of the lower ADPs that I found with a quick look.Obviously I think that Moss will do better than predicted.
Totally agree and Moss is traditionally a better option in best ball format. If anyone else had made the comment, I would not have thought about it. I just remembered how far down my list I had to go to mark off MossGotta take some of these ADP rankings with a grain of salt. Draft value looks a lot different in a best ball, 16-team, draft-only league than in a standard, 12-team league that allows waiver pickups.
I'm still looking.Totally agree and Moss is traditionally a better option in best ball format. If anyone else had made the comment, I would not have thought about it. I just remembered how far down my list I had to go to mark off MossGotta take some of these ADP rankings with a grain of salt. Draft value looks a lot different in a best ball, 16-team, draft-only league than in a standard, 12-team league that allows waiver pickups.
But you see the difference was that the others were taking my RBs, it is not nearly the same when you get the guy you want.'jeter23 said:It is Moss that I was referring to and I also think he will do better than many expect. I just thought it was funny that the guy who made that pick was complaining about others reaching and not drafting according to ADP.'Stephen Holloway said:S Moss, who I suspected was the answer, Ponder, and Rudolph. Were some of the lower ADPs that I found with a quick look.Obviously I think that Moss will do better than predicted.
If he didn't take him, I was going to...makes an interesting backup QB...at "worst" he runs a few plays a game and gets you 5-9 points...no other backup QB (as of today) is a guarantee to provide even one point during the season. With that said, now that he did pass, I am thrilled to have Heath Miller as my backup TE...177 points last year in our scoring model.I was eyeballing Jake Locker, would like to hear from Go Pack on his reasons for the pick. Also the Tim Tebow pick I thought was interesting.
I'll bite since I laughed ....at this 9.3 Santana Moss WR WSHI think that folks are misremembering the drop off that Steve Smith had in 2010. Most abused him for resigning in Carolina in the summer of 2011 after the Panthers had drafted Cam Newton at #1 overall. Almost every dynasty owner bemoaned Smith resigning as it was felt that his value was forever gone, due to his previous production dip with poor QB play in 2010 and now being hooked up long term with the rookie.
I am not saying that RG III will produce rookie numbers in 2012 similar to Newton, primarily because his numbers were unprecedented. However, I do believe that RG III is a solid QB and with the recent rookie success by QBs, he could produce startable QB numbers. If he can, then who will be the guy on the receiving end for the Redskins?
Davis could be a nice target and Cooley returns so he might supplement to give a solid TE team. At WR, you have Garcon coming in to join Moss and possibly Hankerson. If Moss indeed shifts to the slot or plays both outside and the slot, I see him as the most likely candidate to lead the Redskins in receptions.
What are others' thoughts on Redskin receivers?
NP BnB, FYI...almost all of the picks have been very timely. We should be thru round 14 I imagine by Sunday or close to it...doubt you will have to speed things up. :lightsup:fyi - I'll be adjusting the clock as needed next week to get you guys done by Memorial Day weekend.
Yup...you guys are doing very well. Just wanted to give a heads up in case things bog down.NP BnB, FYI...almost all of the picks have been very timely. We should be thru round 14 I imagine by Sunday or close to it...doubt you will have to speed things up. :lightsup:fyi - I'll be adjusting the clock as needed next week to get you guys done by Memorial Day weekend.
As do I with Mr. Hankerson, love the upside here.S Moss, who I suspected was the answer, Ponder, and Rudolph. Were some of the lower ADPs that I found with a quick look.Obviously I think that Moss will do better than predicted.
Holloway....?....
I'll bite since I laughed ....at this 9.3 Santana Moss WR WSHI think that folks are misremembering the drop off that Steve Smith had in 2010. Most abused him for resigning in Carolina in the summer of 2011 after the Panthers had drafted Cam Newton at #1 overall. Almost every dynasty owner bemoaned Smith resigning as it was felt that his value was forever gone, due to his previous production dip with poor QB play in 2010 and now being hooked up long term with the rookie.
I am not saying that RG III will produce rookie numbers in 2012 similar to Newton, primarily because his numbers were unprecedented. However, I do believe that RG III is a solid QB and with the recent rookie success by QBs, he could produce startable QB numbers. If he can, then who will be the guy on the receiving end for the Redskins?
Davis could be a nice target and Cooley returns so he might supplement to give a solid TE team. At WR, you have Garcon coming in to join Moss and possibly Hankerson. If Moss indeed shifts to the slot or plays both outside and the slot, I see him as the most likely candidate to lead the Redskins in receptions.
What are others' thoughts on Redskin receivers?
Santana Moss and RG III 12 = Steve Smith and Cam Newton 11
Best thing that happened to Moss was Gaffney leaving or he may have been on the bubble and would have saved WAS about 3 mil I think. You didn’t mention anything about Josh Morgan also being in town. Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, Armstrong, Moss, Davis, Cooley. Some options/mouths to feed. Newton fed the ball to Smith since outside of Olsen that’s about all he had until LaFell came on a little. Thinking that Moss is going to have a 2011 Steve Smith type season is a little over the top. Nice to be optimistic but predicting that huge of a season is crazy IMO.
Had their sniffing around Eddie Royal turned out to be more than sniffing, Moss would have been (and still may be) gonzo. Pretty obvious they were looking to upgrade at his spot.
Yeah, I just didn't like anyone left on the board at RB or D, and 13.01 seemed too early to think about a QB3, TE3, or WR6 who may not hit my starting lineup more than two or three times a season. So kicker was all that was left.Kicker run starting early.. Def run already cost me a player
I figured we got got the end of the D/ST run. Mind as well get the top of the Kicker run to offset that. Im assuming everyone is going to have to take two of each so Im thinking there will be this run on D and K and a later run. Need to get some while they're left.Yeah, I just didn't like anyone left on the board at RB or D, and 13.01 seemed too early to think about a QB3, TE3, or WR6 who may not hit my starting lineup more than two or three times a season. So kicker was all that was left.Kicker run starting early.. Def run already cost me a player
don't really mean to say it this way, but Sanatana Moss ain't no Steve Smith and while I am all for going out on a limb.....predicting basically 80/1400/9 for Moss is ......welll.... guess we'll see....but I really think comparing the numbers and what not about where they finished in 2007 thru 2009 and somehow thinking that has anything to do with their present situation and thinking that has any affect on where these two different guys will finish this year is kind of whacked.....sometimes I think we go searching for things in past numbers to help justify something when what is going on in the current situation is what is really important....I'm sure if we looked hard enough we could make Ryan Leaf look like Brett Favre for a short time somehow....Sorry for the delayed response, been working all day in the yard wih my wife.Response to Stinkin Ref regarding my comparison of Griffin and Moss to last year's turnaround by Steve Smith with Rookie quarterback Cam Newton.I am not expecting Griffin to produce similar to Cam Newton. However the improvement for the veteran receiver even when teamed with a rookie quarterback seems reasonable to me.Steve Smith finished ranked as WR #16, #5, and #19 in 07, 08 and 09. However injuries combined with atrocious quarterback play for the Panthers in 2010 and Steve Smith only managed 100 targets 46 catches 554 yards and 2 TDs in 14 games. All dynasty owners wanted Smith a free agent to move on to a better opportunity and were extremely disappointed when he resigned with the Panthers who had already selected Cam Newton. His ADP slid down considerably as he entered the season at 32 years old and most owners a year ago had a pleasant surprise as Smith rebounded with 79 catches on 129 targets for 1394 yards and 9 TDs finishing as WR #6.Now, compare to Santana Moss who finished as WR # 17, #33 and #18 in 08, 09, and 10. Then in 2011, he missed ofur games and was teamed with atrocious quarterback play to register 95 targets, 46 catches for 584 yards and 4 TDs. Almost exactly Smith's numbers in two less games.He enters 2012 at33 years old.I can definitely see him as the Redskins top receiver this year and drafting him at 9.3 and WR 43 seems like a solid play despite current ADP much lower.Others must have more faith in Josh Morgan (career year 52 catches) and Hankerson with 13 career receptions.
'Stinkin Ref said:don't really mean to say it this way, but Sanatana Moss ain't no Steve Smith and while I am all for going out on a limb.....predicting basically 80/1400/9 for Moss is ......welll.... Never thought this at all'Stephen Holloway said:I can definitely see him (Moss) as the Redskins top receiver this year and drafting him at 9.3 and WR 43 seems like a solid play despite current ADP much lower.
INSERT - I am not thinking he will match Steve Smith's production at all, just that he will be worthy of WR 43 production, similar to the improvement pattern listed. END INSERT
Others must have more faith in Josh Morgan (career year 52 catches) and Hankerson with 13 career receptions.
guess we'll see....but I really think comparing the numbers and what not about where they finished in 2007 thru 2009 and somehow thinking that has anything to do with their present situation and thinking that has any affect on where these two different guys will finish this year is kind of whacked.....sometimes I think we go searching for things in past numbers to help justify something when what is going on in the current situation is what is really important....I'm sure if we looked hard enough we could make Ryan Leaf look like Brett Favre for a short time somehow....
I got the impression they know each other and are just going back and forth. Otherwise it makes no sense to me either. After the 9th round or so these are all crap shoot picks anyways.Why is everyone arguing over which player someone picked? If you don't like someones player, be happy they picked him, because if you're right, then likely said player will be the downfall of their team..Sounds more like sour grapes to me though..
yes, still 8-hour clockAre we still on an 8 hour clock?