Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Since I have one of the weaker teams...what kind of odds acan I get that I will be around after week 1?
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- Thread starter Aaron Rudnicki
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for the record, I think you had one of the strongest drafts in the first 8 or 9 rounds...but, you blew it in the second half.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
That's easy to say now BnB about Owens or at least easier. If he was good enough to take at 3.01, why wasn't he taken in your league? Also, Yudkin picked at 2.11 and didn't think it was such a steal or he would have taken him there. He did with Fred Taylor at 4.11, so obviously he didn't feel to compelled to take him there. At 3.2, you sort of run out of options so it's like........i might as well gamble, he is certainly worth a try.I still say that he's not playing 16 games this year......for whatever reason. In a redraft..........I would have taken Owens at 3.01 any day of the week, even that day of the draft when we didn't know if he was going to be suspended 4 games etc..... but in a league where you're accountable every week there was huge risk there.
Today, would I draft him.....probably. But if it were today, he probably wouldn't even get to 3.01. Like I always say, ADP is like the stock market. You've got some guys who are steadie eddie's. You've got Curtis Martin where his ADP is pretty regular. Then you have other guys who rock the boat.......and unfortunately I was in a bear market when drafting at 3.01 that evening.
Tick
Footballguy
A comment on Yudkin's team... he took a lot of risky players, and from the end of the draft until now, he's gotten a ton of good news. Mike Anderson, Fred Taylor, Terrell Owens, Mewelde Moore... this team didn't look as good right after the draft. I commend him both on taking the risks and on having good prediction skillz, but there was more luck involved in his team than any other to this point, I'd say.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'll give him credit when credit is due.........at the end.There's no garuantee Anderson's the starters the entire season.......Meweldee isn't the starter yet and Fred Taylor's played 1 quarter of preseason.
I still say for him to win it (which he could), he has to have Priest Holmes play most of the year. If Priest breaks down, the party is over.
Please do not tell me Priest has the same injury risk as Lt2 or SA. If that were true, if we all truely thought Priest Holmes would play 16 games he would definately be the NO.1 overall pick.
I used to think this but am less certain these days. Even when Priest is healthy, Larry Johnson could be a threat to his workload and TD total. I don't see any similar threat in San Diego or Seattle.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I thought Taylor, TO and MA were all very solid picks even before the good news...I've been targeting all three in my drafts for a while now. TO - NFL Players hardly ever hold out for a significant amount of time
Taylor - all indications were that he was going to be ready by week 1, and Jax wasn't in the market for RB help
MA - had been listed as #1 for weeks and looked better by almost all account in camp.
I thought these picks were an indication of very clever drafting personally...he took advantage of what I though was a weaker draft in league 2.
That being said, I didn't like the Priest pick for this format and agree with Aaron that he's got a lot riding on the padre.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'll spare us the math lesson again, but even if Holmes splits 60/40, he would still be a Top 3 RB. His years as the #1 RB, he had 75% of the workload.
I know, and I agree.If you knew he'd be healthy for all 16 games, would you draft him #1 overall? Do you think everybody else would?
radballs.
Footballguy
If he's out for a game or four like he has been the last couple years, he'll get 0% of the workload during that time. You're team is very tough but one key injury to an aging, oft-banged up RB could spell trouble in survivor format. Most of us have these problems though. If Manning goes down, I'm screwed. If anybody's first round pick misses some games, they're not likely to make the merger. Actually, as a Priest owner without LJ I'd just be more concerned about LJ sticking his nose in there and sucking more of that team production from Priest. He's looked great in the preseason. I know you keep quoting the 500 FP for the total of the KC running game, but I wonder if that's necessarily achievable each and every year. Still, very good work David.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'll be happy if he plays in 12 games. As I said in the Holmes/LJ Fourm (since we obviously need one), I see this as Holmes being the clear starter and LJ coming in when Holmes needs a blow, Johnson getting a series all to himself in the 3rd quarter, and LJ mopping up if a game is clearly decided late in the 4th quarter. So I'm pegging Holmes at 20 carries and LJ from 8-12 if both are healthy. LJ would obviously get more if Holmes had to miss some time. I am curious, though, as to what would happen if Holmes was healthy but LJ got hurt.
Family Matters
Footballguy
I want to add my thoughts about Yudkin's team. I agree that he is the ultimate hight risk high reward team. Here's why:Holmes-if healthy he is without question the clear #1. Anderson-if he remains the starter he is top 5.Taylor-if healthy all year he could be a solid #3. And still has top 10 upside.So with these 3 RB's you can see potential. But what happens if they don't pan out?Holmes-LJ could take over and become the #1 RB by doing so.Anderson-Bell could become the starter and render Anderson to a back up role.Taylor-may not be healthy enought to carry the ball 20 time per game.So you can see if these guys pan out he's gold. If not he's toast. He can go from the best team to the worst team in 1 weekend with this crew.QB-Collins and Vick give him another pair that can finish top 5 on potential or crash and burn in another week.WR-Williams, TO and Harrison need no explanation. The bottom line is this-if the 3 RB's are healthy he wins this thing hands down. In fact as long as Holmes remains healthy he will likely win it because he has one of the best WR groups as well. Basically there are no weaknesses on this team outside of risk. He drafted like a true shark in what I consider to be one of the two best draft spots (2 & 3) to have this year.So my hats off to David on what I consider one of the best drafts I've seen in what was a difficult situation to draft in. He did one heck of a job.
so do you agree with IWBACB or not?
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Let's be realistic here, all it takes is one bad week and any team is toast. EXHIBIT A: the original Survivor team that had LT and Jamal Lewis the year they both went nuts, yet that team got booted after one week. IIRC, if that team had made it past Week 1 it would have won.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If the question was in reference to Priest playing 16 games = #1 overall pick, absolutely.
Tick
Footballguy
Owens went at 3.02 in both, Taylor was actually taken later in 1 than in 2. Moore and Anderson lasted longer in 2, but only because other guys fell (KFaulk - what the heck was going on in 1?).I don't know how you compare the strength of two drafts. I don't think comparing to ADP is useful, partly because the Survivor format is different from redrafts and partly because ADP includes mostly mock drafts.Everyone has different rankings. Does the fact that I rate Michael Bennett as the best RB available at 3.03 and know he'll be gone by 4.10 make our league weaker? Dunno. Since we can't trade draft picks, there will be some oddball picks when personal rankings differ from ADP.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I wasn't worried about Terell holding out.............I was worried about what Philly was going to do, that's what the issue was.It was the fact he was suspended a week from practice......that he was kicked out of practice for the week because he was insubordinate to his coach and wasn't acting professionally during practice. There was some talk about what happened to Keyshawn would happen to TO, which would be a total waste.
Worrying about TO holding out was one of the least of my worries.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I don't see how you can compare two drafts until after the season is over.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
That's his MO; it was the same style of thinking in the Anarchy League as well. Although I'll root for him here, I'm lucky enough to be in a couple head to head leagues with him to take out my frustration on his ignorant comments.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Of course nobody knows which draft is tighter until the season is finished...I'm obviously speculating. Thus I don't see how comments can be labeled as ignorant...I just put out an opinion(like I always do.) From my perspective league 1 looked like a tighter draft...that's all there is to it.That's his MO; it was the same style of thinking in the Anarchy League as well. Although I'll root for him here, I'm lucky enough to be in a couple head to head leagues with him to take out my frustration on his ignorant comments.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I can hang with this - please let me be clear, LHUCKS, I was not implying you are an ignoramus or anything like that. I just think determining whether one draft is better than another would have to include a retrospective view of how players performed relative to their draft positions.Of course nobody knows which draft is tighter until the season is finished...I'm obviously speculating. Thus I don't see how comments can be labeled as ignorant...I just put out an opinion(like I always do.) From my perspective league 1 looked like a tighter draft...that's all there is to it.That's his MO; it was the same style of thinking in the Anarchy League as well. Although I'll root for him here, I'm lucky enough to be in a couple head to head leagues with him to take out my frustration on his ignorant comments.
radballs.
Footballguy
Are you referring to LHUCKS or BNB or both? Michael Bennett is going to carry me to the championship.That's his MO; it was the same style of thinking in the Anarchy League as well. Although I'll root for him here, I'm lucky enough to be in a couple head to head leagues with him to take out my frustration on his ignorant comments.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Ok, speculate on this..........in your draft tell me how Kelly Holcomb, John Kitna, A.J. Feeley, and Billy Volek all get drafted ahead of or right near Patrick Ramsey and Trent Dilfer who are the starters to their teams.Tell me how Joey Harrington gets drafted at 9.08 and 13 rounds later Ramsey and Dilfer get drafted. Does that sound tight to you? That's called LUCY GOOSIE baby!Of course nobody knows which draft is tighter until the season is finished...I'm obviously speculating. Thus I don't see how comments can be labeled as ignorant...I just put out an opinion(like I always do.) From my perspective league 1 looked like a tighter draft...that's all there is to it.That's his MO; it was the same style of thinking in the Anarchy League as well. Although I'll root for him here, I'm lucky enough to be in a couple head to head leagues with him to take out my frustration on his ignorant comments.
Terell Owens went 3.02 in both leagues
Tatum Bell in your league goes at 3.01, in ours 3.8 (of course it was the staff who overpayed in both
).........his ADP is now somewhere in the 6th round. And Fred Taylor went at 4.09 in your draft, and goes 4.11 in ours, big deal!
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radballs.
Footballguy
I don't know but I was happy to get both of them to back up Peyton with my last two picks.Ok, speculate on this..........in your draft tell me how Kelly Holcomb, John Kitna, A.J. Feeley, and Billy Volek all get drafted ahead of or right near Patrick Ramsey and Trent Dilfer who are the starters to their teams.Tell me how Joey Harrington gets drafted at 9.08 and 13 rounds later Ramsey and Dilfer get drafted. Does that sound tight to you? That's called LUCY GOOSIE baby!Of course nobody knows which draft is tighter until the season is finished...I'm obviously speculating. Thus I don't see how comments can be labeled as ignorant...I just put out an opinion(like I always do.) From my perspective league 1 looked like a tighter draft...that's all there is to it.That's his MO; it was the same style of thinking in the Anarchy League as well. Although I'll root for him here, I'm lucky enough to be in a couple head to head leagues with him to take out my frustration on his ignorant comments.
BassNBrew Player YTD Pts Bye Drafted Bledsoe, Drew DAL QB - 9 15.05 Brooks, Aaron NOS QB - 10 7.05 Harrington, Joey DET QB (P) - 3 11.05 Arrington, J.J. ARI RB - 6 3.05 Davenport, Najeh GBP RB - 6 18.08 Davis, Stephen CAR RB - 7 20.08 Jordan, Lamont OAK RB - 5 2.08 McAllister, Deuce NOS RB - 10 1.05 Shipp, Marcel ARI RB - 6 14.08 Bennett, Drew TEN WR - 10 4.08 Booker, Marty MIA WR - 4 16.08 Branch, Deion NEP WR - 7 6.08 Burleson, Nate MIN WR - 5 5.05 Ferguson, Robert GBP WR - 6 22.08 Moss, Santana WAS WR - 3 8.08 Stokley, Brandon IND WR (P) - 8 10.08 Cooley, Chris WAS TE - 3 12.08 Smith, L.J. PHI TE - 6 9.05 Mare, Olindo MIA PK - 4 21.05 Nugent, Mike NYJ PK - 8 19.05 Panthers, Carolina CAR Def - 7 13.05 Redskins, Washington WAS Def - 3 17.05 Gotta love your WR3 posting 13 or so points in the first quarter. Jordan with 6 early also. These opening weeks with no byes and most of the teams intact are always the best. 
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
2 first half TDs from Brady thus far...
Jason Wood
Zoo York
How's everyone doing? My QBs :X (Green and Hasselbeck) and my RBs were mediocre (Dillon and K. Jones), but I was likely saved by Keenan McCardell and Larry Fitz having monster weeks 
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain - Ministry of Pain Player YTD Pts Bye Drafted Griese, Brian TBB QB - 7 9.12How's everyone doing? My QBs :X (Green and Hasselbeck) and my RBs were mediocre (Dillon and K. Jones), but I was likely saved by Keenan McCardell and Larry Fitz having monster weeks
Schaub, Matt ATL QB - 8 21.12
Vick, Michael ATL QB - 8 7.12
Jones, Julius DAL RB - 9 2.01
Rhodes, Dominic IND RB (D) - 8 20.01
Westbrook, Brian PHI RB - 6 1.12
Williams, Carnell TBB RB - 7 3.12
Chambers, Chris MIA WR - 4 5.12
Evans, Lee BUF WR - 9 8.01
Jackson, Darrell SEA WR - 8 4.01
Jones, Brandon TEN WR - 10 22.01
Parker, Samie KCC WR - 5 14.01
Pathon, Jerome FA WR - - 19.12
Randle El, Antwaan PIT WR - 4 11.12
Robinson, Marcus MIN WR - 5 12.01
Franks, Bubba GBP TE (P) - 6 15.12
Shockey, Jeremy NYG TE - 5 6.01
Akers, David PHI PK - 6 13.12
Hanson, Jason DET PK - 3 18.01
Bengals, Cincinnati CIN Def - 10 16.01
Falcons, Atlanta ATL Def - 8 17.12
Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def - 3 10.01
22 Total Players
QB:Griese did well...maybe Vick will do better
RB: Julius Jones...TD and 93 yds...fine
RB: Westbrook...tomorrow night
Flex "Cadillac" Williams...150 yds and 1 TD...terrific
WR: Darrell Jackson...60 yds and a TD...fine
WR: Antwaan Randel El...got lucky with him 80 yds and TD
WR3: Lee Evan/Chris Chambers...1 of them had a few yds, I'll survive I hope
TE: Jeremy Shockey...TD
PK...Need Akers to do something tomorrow night
Def/ST...Cincinnati...maybe Atlanta can help me out tomorrow night.
I think I might make it past the 1st week.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Clayton Gray, Gringo, and Radballs all look like they might have a tough week...I didn't see a lot of TD for those guys.
BruceKennisonTroupe/KinneyI should be fine. My WR depth really kicked in this week.
BassNBrew Player YTD Pts Bye Drafted Bledsoe, Drew DAL QB - 9 15.05 23 ptsBrooks, Aaron NOS QB - 10 7.05 Harrington, Joey DET QB (P) - 3 11.05 Arrington, J.J. ARI RB - 6 3.05 Davenport, Najeh GBP RB - 6 18.08 Davis, Stephen CAR RB - 7 20.08 14 ptsJordan, Lamont OAK RB - 5 2.08 16 ptsMcAllister, Deuce NOS RB - 10 1.05 20 ptsShipp, Marcel ARI RB - 6 14.08 Bennett, Drew TEN WR - 10 4.08 11 ptsBooker, Marty MIA WR - 4 16.08 21 ptsBranch, Deion NEP WR - 7 6.08 23 ptsBurleson, Nate MIN WR - 5 5.05 Ferguson, Robert GBP WR - 6 22.08 Moss, Santana WAS WR - 3 8.08 13 ptsStokley, Brandon IND WR (P) - 8 10.08 15 ptsCooley, Chris WAS TE - 3 12.08 6 ptsSmith, L.J. PHI TE - 6 9.05 Mare, Olindo MIA PK - 4 21.05 11 ptsNugent, Mike NYJ PK - 8 19.05 Panthers, Carolina CAR Def - 7 13.05 15 ptsRedskins, Washington WAS Def - 3 17.05 22 Total Players 164 totalGo figure...Bledsoe, Booker, Stokley, Davis, and Mare are big contributors. I'm starting to warm up to this team.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Collins, Kerry 24.45Holmes, Priest 16.00Taylor, Fred 11.00Harrison, Marvin 18.90Clayton, Mark 9.40Glenn, Terry DAL 7.20Owens, TerrellWatson, Ben 7.50Scobee, Josh 16.00Bengals, Cincinnati 7.00117.45 + TO
Family Matters
Footballguy
Where are the scoring results located?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I don't think they are up anywhere. People have been doing it themselves. Someone will likely post the numbers later today. Good game in the FBGL-IV League
.Family Matters
Footballguy
Where is the "up your's" smiley? I can't believe you got me by 1.5 points because again I lost a player early in the first qtr to injury. It's dejavu all over.I don't think they are up anywhere. People have been doing it themselves. Someone will likely post the numbers later today. Good game in the FBGL-IV League
Tick
Footballguy
It sure felt like I was in trouble, but adding it up, it's not so bad.QB: Frerotte 20.95RB: Barlow 11.9RB: Perry 9.8WR: SSmith 27.8WR: Keyshawn 23.5WR: ChadJ 18.1Flex: CAnderson 16.8TE: McMichael 17.5PK: Carney 13DT: Seattle 3Big goose-egg from Baltimore's defense, both my top two RBs (Alexander, Bennett), my top QB (Plummer)... scary. I wasted the big day by Courtney Anderson when McMichael nipped him in scoring.Total looks like 162.35 to me, which should be enough.
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Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
I think we start 10 guys, not 9. Add another RB or WR.I figured I also got trashed, but looking it over, I might be ok.
Palmer - 21
Foster - 7.1
Dom Davis - 6.8
Holt - 22.5
Keyshawn - 23.5
Mason - 17.9
Bryant - 11.5
Putzier - 13.7
Wilkins - 15
Jax - 12
TOTAL - 151 (with Dunn needing 6.8+ to add)
Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
I think they can. Add another RB or WR or TE.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
RB: Larry Johnson 25Rudi Johnson 21Lt2 13R. Smith 16B. Lloyd 15Muhsin M. 11Marcus Pollard 16Arizona D 13Longwell 4134 with Donovan McNabb to play and Atlanta in case Atlanta's D gets more than 13 points, doubt it. But I will use McNabb's points as Ramsey didn't even finish his game.
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MyAwesomePrizeAlias
Footballguy
When do people get eliminated in this thing?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'm in trouble.... more or less everyone on my team short of Mason and Brady crapped the bed this week. T. Gonzalez, Michael Clayton, Dom Davis, Ahman Green all were subpar. Staring down the barrel of 125.0 points with only Reggie Brown and Michael Jenkins (-7.3) able to contribute.
Tick
Footballguy
Right you are... thanks.Here are the rules:
. There will be two twelve team leagues each consisting of 6 FBG Staff and 6 Message Board players.
2. Picks will alternate between staff and MB (ie pick 1 = staff, pick 2 = MB, pick 3 = staff, etc in one league and pick 1 = MB, pick 2 = staff, pick 3 = MB, etc in the other league ).
3. Both drafts will take place (using MyFantasyLeague Software) at the same time (to be determined later). The drafts will be serpentine and last 22 rounds.
4. There will be no trading of draft picks, no trading of players and no free agent pickups. The team you draft will be the team you have for the entire season.
5. Scores will be determined to the tenth of a point by adding up:
the highest scoring QB
the two highest scoring RBs
the three highest scoring WRs
the highest scoring TE
the highest flex (RB/WR/TE not used already)
the highest scoring kicker
and the highest scoring defense
each week per roster. Scores reset after each week.
6. Low scorers will be booted from the Island based on this criteria:
Week 1-4 - Lose 1 team per week, High score gets immunity (and is exempt from leaving) for the next week
Week 5/6 - Lose 1 team per two weeks (combined score of week 5 and 6)
Week 7/8 - Lose 1 team per two weeks (combined score of week 7 and 8)
Week 9/10 - Lose 1 team per two weeks (combined score of week 9 and 10)
Week 11/12 - Lose 1 team per two weeks (combined score of week 11 and 12)
Immunity will be for the first three weeks only (week 3 winner gets immunity for the 4th week). Week 4 high score does not get immunity.
7. After week 12, each league's remaining 4 teams will combine into the final 8. Scores will be reset and the winner will be determined by adding the totals scored for weeks 13 through 16.
8. To determine if FBG Staff or the Message Board wins, we will award the top 8 finishes the following point totals:
1st place = 20 points
2nd place = 15 points
3rd place = 12 points
4th place = 10 points
5th place = 8 points
6th place = 4 points
7th place = 2 points
8th place = 1 point
72 points are possible. The team that gets 37 points or more is crowned the 2004 Champion.
9. Prizes will be the following:
1st Place = $500
2nd Place = $200
3rd Place = $75
4th Place = $50
5th Place = $40
6th Place = $30
7th Place = $25
8th Place = $20
Bonus of $500 given to all 12 message board members ($30 each and an extra $140 to the top MB team) if they beat or tie the FBG staff in the overall competition.
10. Everyone will receive $25 for answering 5 team specific questions as well as a writeup discussing your particular strategy. No player writeups are required.
11. Player Scoring:
Passing TDs = 4 pts
Rushing/receiving TDs = 6 pts
interceptions = -1 points
1 pt per 20 yards passing
1 pt per 10 yards rushing or receiving
1 pt per reception for QBs, RBs, WRs and TEs
2 pts awarded for 2 point conversions (pass, rush, or receive)
Kicker Scoring (only can score on FG or EP)
3 pts per FG of 39 yards or less
4 pts per FG between 40 and 49 yards
5 pts per FG 50 yards or greater
1 pt per EP
12. Defense/Special Teams Scoring:
Points Allowed
0 = 10 points
2-6 = 4 points
7-13 = 1 point
14+ = 0 points
Total Yards Allowed
0-199 = 10 points
200-249 = 4 points
250-299 = 1 point
300+ = 0 points
Sack = 1 point
INT/Fumble Recovery = 2 points
Safety = 2 points
Defense or ST TD = 6 points (Kickoff return, punt return, interception, fumble recovery, blocked punt/FG return)
13. We will use My Fantasy League Scoring to rule on disputes. Their scoring will be final the week the game is played. If the NFL changes statistics later, we will not change the outcomes of previously determined games.
14. If two teams should tie for low score, the tie will be broken by best player not used in calculating the maximum score per squad regardless of position. Scoring will be to tenths.
15. Should a dispute arise, Joe Bryant (who will not field a team) will act as the league commish. His decision is final.
