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Stallworth Detained in traffic fatality (1 Viewer)
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nxmehta
Footballguy
It's strange but I kind of agree with this post. This story is not getting very much press. Donte Stallworth got drunk and killed the father of a family with his car. Just unbelievably awful. There should be some serious public outrage and discussion about this. The NFL also needs to take some swift action here. If players who have all the resources in the universe can't just hire drivers... I mean for god sakes, yes your got your huge bonus, ok get as ####faced drunk as you want, man. Go nuts. Just don't get behind the wheel!!!Although I actually think that the outrage against Vick has less to do with the dogs and more to do with him being such a huge star and public figure. Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little are nobodies compared to Vick.
simey
Footballguy
Frank Black
Footballguy
There is no such thing as a technicality. The law is the law. Without so called technicalities, the legal system would fall apart. That said, when there is an accident, that takes a lot of so called technicalities out of play, such as whether an officer had reasonable suspicion or probable cause to stop the motorist. Other so called technicalities may include whether the blood test was administered properly with accurate results.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Also, base on a report I read at PFT, there was a similar vehicular homicide crime which could be charged based on a witness account that Stallworth pulled around a stopped vehicle in order to run a red light. Reportedly, that crime involves “the killing of a human being... caused by the operation of a motor vehicle by another in a reckless manner likely to cause the death of, or great bodily harm to, another” and comes with the same penalties as the DUI version. If true, that could take any blood test technicalities out of the equation. Not sure if they can/would hedge by charging both though.
Banger
Footballguy
Wow, I haven't been following this story close at all, but did he really go around a car at a red light, run the light and then hit and killed a pedestrian while driving drunk? Unreal.The whole situation is terrible. It's terrible that some guy walking across the street was killed and it's a shame that Stallworth put himself in this position and will likely go to jail.Also, base on a report I read at PFT, there was a similar vehicular homicide crime which could be charged based on a witness account that Stallworth pulled around a stopped vehicle in order to run a red light. Reportedly, that crime involves “the killing of a human being... caused by the operation of a motor vehicle by another in a reckless manner likely to cause the death of, or great bodily harm to, another” and comes with the same penalties as the DUI version. If true, that could take any blood test technicalities out of the equation. Not sure if they can/would hedge by charging both though.
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Ozymandias
Footballguy
Yeah, but I'm not sure that pulling around a car in order to run a red light and hitting someone and killing them is reasonable cause to stop and arrest him.
Are you sure it isn't a case of "driving while black"?
Are you sure it isn't a case of "driving while black"?
nxmehta
Footballguy
Really? Well I'm going to just come out and say it- I think it's patently WRONG to have more outrage over the taking of a dog's life than a taking of a human's life. But maybe that's just me.
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
He broke the law in multiple ways and killed a man. What does the color of the skin matter at this point?
Frank Black
Footballguy
He broke the law in multiple ways and killed a man. What does the color of the skin matter at this point?
Don't take Ozzy's bait.
simey
Footballguy
There is a difference in someone unintentionally killing a person, and someone who intentionally tortures and kills dogs, and bankrolls a huge operation that is based on making dogs tear each other apart for money.Really? Well I'm going to just come out and say it- I think it's patently WRONG to have more outrage over the taking of a dog's life than a taking of a human's life. But maybe that's just me.
T Bell
Footballguy
The legal limit has been lowered and frankly isn't always reflective of impairment as it's a one-size-fits-all standard. People overlook that and adopt it as gospel that it reflects actual drunkenness or impairment. For a lot of people a single beer would put them at the legal limit, which is ludicrous. The bottom line here is that Stallworth is in major trouble though.
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
It's over Johnny, IT'S OVER!
Ozymandias
Footballguy
sarcasm is lost on some people.He broke the law in multiple ways and killed a man. What does the color of the skin matter at this point?
Sportscenter this morning said that his blood-alcohol level was measured at 1.02. Is that high enough for ya?
This is just amazingly ######ed by Stallworth. He deserves every bit of justice that gets thrown at him.Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I bet he is regretful now. It wouldn't shock me to find out he is even making bargains with the Lord if he will just get him out of this.
towney
Footballguy
1.02 are you sure?Sportscenter this morning said that his blood-alcohol level was measured at 1.02. Is that high enough for ya?This is just amazingly ######ed by Stallworth. He deserves every bit of justice that gets thrown at him.
omally
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
why?I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
Penguin
Footballguy
Because he'd be dead long before reaching 0.5why?I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
Ralph Furley
Footballguy
Cause anything over .40 is potentially lethal. Do you realize to obtain a BAC of 1.02 an 185lb man would have to consume 50 beers in 5 hours.why?I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
Beaumont
Footballguy
So true.http://www.intox.com/physiology.aspBecause he'd be dead long before reaching 0.5why?I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
They must have said .12.
bcr8f
Footballguy
50 beers. Come on.Cause anything over .40 is potentially lethal. Do you realize to obtain a BAC of 1.02 an 185lb man would have to consume 50 beers in 5 hours.why?I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
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Whoops. That's what I heard and that's what I wrote. Should've caught that. I swear the anchor said that though. lolMust've been .12. I know the numbers 1 and 2 were in there.So true.http://www.intox.com/physiology.aspBecause he'd be dead long before reaching 0.5why?I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
They must have said .12.
I have absolutely no tolerance for drunk drivers. I lost my father to one three years ago(3 years this coming tuesday). He was out running when he was struck and killed by a drunk driver. This has really affected my family's lifes and I really feel for the victims family. To lose someone to such senseless act, something that could have been easily prevented, is really tough to swallow. I don't care how much he was over the limit, the fact is that he got into a car after he had been drinking and put his life and others at risk.
This won't be resolved anytime soon and will likely be in the courts for quite some time. I don't know how strict the courts are in the US but in Canada the guy got 2 years house arrest in my fathers case which was a slap on the wrist. If guilty, I hope Stallworth gets the time he deserves but at the same time I can't help but feel a bit sorry for the guy as this is something he will have to live with the rest of his life.
This won't be resolved anytime soon and will likely be in the courts for quite some time. I don't know how strict the courts are in the US but in Canada the guy got 2 years house arrest in my fathers case which was a slap on the wrist. If guilty, I hope Stallworth gets the time he deserves but at the same time I can't help but feel a bit sorry for the guy as this is something he will have to live with the rest of his life.
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Banger
Footballguy
Really sorry to hear that.
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
Yeah, I am not sure this is the best topic to try your "sarcm" on.sarcasm is lost on some people.Don't take Ozzy's bait.
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
Cabby - I am sorry for your loss, especially from such a sensless act! I pray that the Lord gives you some peace especially this Tuesday.
SaintArnold
Footballguy
If athletes are capable of giving 110% effort, maybe they're capable of having a BAC of 1.02.gianmarco said:You realize you could drink 5000000000000000000000000000000 beers in 5 minutes and not have a BAC of 1.02?Cause anything over .40 is potentially lethal. Do you realize to obtain a BAC of 1.02 an 185lb man would have to consume 50 beers in 5 hours.why?I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
DarabZarrabi
Footballguy
your BAC cant be over 1.00...1.00=100% so...
bcr8f
Footballguy
Yes me too.
CalBear
Footballguy
No, 1.00=1.00%. That means that 1% of your bloodstream is alcohol. It's theoretically possible to go higher than that, but death would soon follow.
bcr8f
Footballguy
That's right. .1 means 1 tenth of one percent not 10 percent(.10). You guys are off by 2 decimal points.
Beaumont
Footballguy
A toxicologist once tried to explain to me readings as breath vs. whole blood vs. serum/plasma. It gets complicated.Pasted:Serum v. Whole BloodHave you ever tried cases where defense counsel challenged a hospital blood test, claiming a valid correlation cannot be made between serum and whole blood test results? Usually, these challenges are made in the most egregious cases involving car crashes and personal injuries. Recent court decisions in various jurisdictions have held that serum tests converted to whole blood test results are admissible in evidence.Serum is part of whole blood. When whole blood is spun in a centrifuge, the heavier blood cells go to the bottom and the lighter serum remains on top. Lab technicians, toxicologists and other hospital personnel use this top layer of serum to determine a blood alcohol reading. Serum samples produce higher alcohol content values than whole blood samples because serum contains more water than whole blood. Alcohol has an affinity for water, thus a blood test performed on serum will result in a higher blood alcohol reading than a test performed on whole blood.Although serum tests result in higher BAC readings than do tests on whole blood, courts have recognized a correlation between serum and whole blood. In fact, differences in the readings can readily be rectified by converting serum alcohol readings into whole blood alcohol readings. Conversion is necessary in most states and is often highly relevant to the outcome of a case. Specifically, a state's failure to produce conversion evidence has resulted in reversal of a defendant's driving under the influence conviction.The defendant may challenge conversion of serum to whole blood claiming every individual has a different conversion ratio or that the defendant was on medication or dehydrated. While individual ratios may vary, experts generally agree that there is a known range within which a person's conversion ratio will fall.Prosecutors should be armed with a thorough knowledge of the distinctions between serum and whole blood readings and consult with their toxicologist to discuss the conversion ratio used. The process of converting a serum reading to a whole blood reading does not involve complex equations. Defense counsel's attempts to make the basic conversion ratio much more complicated than it is can be easily defeated by preparing yourself and your witness in advance.NTLC has recent case law and research articles on the issue of converting serum test results to whole blood.
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Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
Sure the "unofficial" world record is held by the Greatest Boozer of them All. Andre The Giant. 119 12oz beers in one 6 hour sitting.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/André_the_Giant50 beers. Come on.Cause anything over .40 is potentially lethal. Do you realize to obtain a BAC of 1.02 an 185lb man would have to consume 50 beers in 5 hours.why?I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.1.02 are you sure?
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Penguin
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Over/Under on time served? Some sort of plea then cut in half for good behavior. 2.5 years, see it all the time.
puckalicious
Footballguy
Latest.
http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80f6e6cc
Confirms the guy was not trying to cross at a cross-walk. Not that it changes anything, although the article does state that Stallworth's blood test results are not available yet.
http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80f6e6cc
Confirms the guy was not trying to cross at a cross-walk. Not that it changes anything, although the article does state that Stallworth's blood test results are not available yet.
az_prof
Footballguy
Morally it doesn't change anything, but legally it does. In this country, in most cities and counties, killing someone with your car is almost always brushed under the rug. When you are walking you better be careful; someone can kill you and most likely suffer no consequences. The fact that the man wasn't in a cross walk makes it even more likely that Stallworth walks. It makes me sick but that's the truth. You are more likely to do jail time for being caught in possession of some weed than for killing someone with your car.
Moe Green
Footballguy
Yeah, but given his weight, that only brought his BAC up to 0.02.
T Bell
Footballguy
Again, this is where people taking the legal limit as the gospel definition of impairment start to stray from reality. Let's all remember that the legal limit is a a legal convenience, nothing more. Everyone gets impaired at different alcohol levels based upon a multitude of biological factors. Because that's too complex to measure on a case-by-case basis, they simply pass laws with a single legal limit above which everyone is considered to be impaired. This victim was rushing across the street, not at a cross-walk, trying to reach a bus to get home. It may well be that he was in fact the person most responsible for causing his own death.
I'm not defending drinking and driving nor am I ignoring the information that Stallworth may have been speeding or driving recklessly. If his BAC was as high as reported he's most certainly screwed because someone got killed and will get punished. If he was driving recklessly - driving too fast for conditions and pulling abruptly around other cars to run through a light - then he's got a lot of blame for this and may well be the most to blame.
But if you're truly trying to get to the bottom of what happened in this incident and reconstruct how it actually happened, you don't lean on the legal limit to determine fault.
fatness
Footballguy
From that article
A few feet. If it had only been a few feet in the other direction --- prior to hitting him --- the guy would be alive and we wouldn't be talking about any of this.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Nice to see he had time to flick his lights at the guy but didn't have time to stop or avoid him.
Big 'N Tasty
Footballguy
He had to have been still drunk if he thought that was a reasonable defense for his actions when he told that to the police."Hell, I gave it my best try to not hit him, officer...I even flashed my lights at him."
Frank Black
Footballguy
Regarding the levels of media attention I think its not just a matter of the ultimate result of the wrongdoing but also the level of premeditation and repetition of the wrongful act in question, as well as motive and profit.Yes, there is a level of premeditation involved in drinking and driving. There is a level of recklessness concerning the risk of danger to life and safety. Yet, this does not arise to the level of premeditated taking of life, be it human or canine. Vick's dog fighting involved a premeditated taking of animal life.
Stallworth's victim involved only a single incident, whereas Vick's wrongdoing involved repeated premeditated taking of life.
Stallworth's drinking and driving did not involve profit or other perpetrators in furtherance of the wrongdoing, whereas Vick's taking of life involved several other people in furtherance of the taking of life and had a motive of profit among other motivations.
Last but not least, from a media reporting perspective, there are more interesting facts to report on Vick's wrongdoing than on Stallworth.
It is non-debatable that human life > than animal life.
I am merely pointing to some factors why the media promotes the Vick story over the stories involving Stallworth and Little. It's not just as simple as prioritizing media exposure based on what is considered to be a greater loss of life.
Frank Black
Footballguy
Cabby, I am sorry to learn of your loss.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Depending on how many feet away it was, he couldn't have been going that fast when he hit him or else the brake time and distance would have been longer one would assume.
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