STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[Hang 10]

A bigger question is how come they can't send information electronically in the star wars universe? You have to physically stick the data in a droid. Then later go retrieve said droid. All that technology and you can't send a text or email.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Where Rey is getting the storm trooper to leave the room, the campy line where she asks him to drop his weapon...all he had to do was drop his weapon but instead JJ has him repeat the line back to her and the joke falls flat.

That is space camp folks and it's not something you saw much of if at all in the 1st 3 films. Usually C3PO and R2D2 handle a lot of the comedy relief but of course like Luke they are nowhere to be seen.

You're 100% wrong. Go youtube all of the instances where someone uses the "Jedi mind trick". The victim always repeats whatever the jedi says.

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

death sticks

But they never used the Force to order a Domino's pizza.

It was really campy when she did that and if the trooper just drops the weapon, she is doing the line as an add on, would have been a lot funnier.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Luke should have turned and said "Don't bother me I'm eating" and had a big Carl's Jr in that droid hand of his.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I see MOP didn't use his time away from the board for any self improvement.

 

[AcerFC]

I would definitely go see it again.

 

[AcerFC]

I agree with whoever said it (sorry for not quoting the post), this just felt like Star wars where episode 1 did not

I liked episode 2 and 3 even though they didnt have the star wars feel this one did

Was it a rehash, I dont really give a ####. Bring on episode VIII

 

[jon_mx]

And what do they have Finn, the only black character in the entire film I could find, what do they have his profession within the First Order?

JANITORIAL SERVICES!!!

You can't make this stuff up. Let's make him the custodian.

Star Wars

Janitor to Jedi

There were a few others. You had Lupita Nyongo playing Maz Kanata and Crystal Clarke playing Rachel.

 

[Insein]

A bigger question is how come they can't send information electronically in the star wars universe? You have to physically stick the data in a droid. Then later go retrieve said droid. All that technology and you can't send a text or email.

The extranet was an EU concept. They've ignored the EU except where convenient. Having something that eliminates the plot is not convenient.

 

[jon_mx]

A bigger question is how come they can't send information electronically in the star wars universe? You have to physically stick the data in a droid. Then later go retrieve said droid. All that technology and you can't send a text or email.

The extranet was an EU concept. They've ignored the EU except where convenient. Having something that eliminates the plot is not convenient.

Star Wars is a universe which had no Al Gore.

 

[Rick James]

A bigger question is how come they can't send information electronically in the star wars universe? You have to physically stick the data in a droid. Then later go retrieve said droid. All that technology and you can't send a text or email.

everyone in the galaxy was searching for Luke Skywalker, and you want them to just email the map?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and have no complaints at all.

We are shown how Kylo Ren isn't fully trained yet and then told it but Snoke at the end. His character was pretty perfect in that sense. Right down to the incomplete light saber. Driver played the emotions extremely well to me. And I thought it was clear - at least to me - that unlike Vader the First Order doesn't necessarily answer to Ren the way the Empire answered to Vader. He certainly wasn't second in command. At best he was the same "rank" as the Hitler guy that enjoyed his job a bit too much.

Rey was great. Actress was engaging in every way you need a lead to be and the character was fun. I have no problem with her awakening happening so quick. Luke turned off a targeting system after about 3 days of playing with a flying ball in the Falcon.

Which, side track - when the Falcon was flying around the training ball hit Fin I laughed way too loud in the theater. Yup, I was that guy.

Fin - liked his as well. He was conflicted almost immediately and when he saw the innocent people get slaughtered for no reason he snapped. I can buy it. He isn't a clone. Captain Phasma made that clear that they are just trained. Not unlike the Unsullied in Game of Thrones. It's certainly possible for one of them to have some humanity left in them. And the actor played the part well for me.

C3PO - I really don't like and never did like 3PO. I might be the only person that cheers when he gets blowed up in Empire. Hated with all hate that he was in the prequels. But I guess we are stuck with him. However, for some reason I was ok with R2. The fact that he was still Luke's driod was kinda cool for me. BB8 was really well done. He was more than just the new R2 but wasn't overpowering anywhere. Solid work there.

Han. Man. I knew it was coming having read the spoilers. But it was still tough to see the character die. Ford did great though. I might be reading way too much into this but the very end when he touched Ren's face before he fell I think is going to be an important moment and Ford played it well. Driver did too, as he looked both evil and scared at the same time. Han clearly loved him and in that moment you could say he forgave him, something that Ren clearly couldn't fathom at the time. If Rey eventually turns good or something akin to Vader I'm betting it will be that moment that is used as the flash point. Maybe not.

When Ren got into Rey's mind he clearly says he sees the island she dreams of. So she has either been to where Luke is or Luke is talking to her, or unbeknownst to her, she is connected to Luke somehow. That was well done.

Leia - I'm overlooking the fact that she is old. Frankly, so is Harrison Ford (Ford just has the "cool" about him that Carrie Fischer never had). I didn't hate any of her scenes. I though they were well done. My small gripe would be though why she didn't go with Rey to get Luke. She should have I think. Although I can understand the need to only have Rey standing with him at the end.

And then Luke - I though Hamill did more with that 3 minutes of silent acting than he ever did in any of the first three movies. You could see a whole story in his expression. Sadness, guilt, failure, fear, all of it. IT certainly is set up for her being his kid, but I wonder if that is so obvious that it's not true. Either way, Hamill was gripping in that scene. The flyover tracking shot was well done to end it as well. Basically - there is something so much bigger here at play that a ground level shot can't capture it all. I was expecting Luke to have the saber fly to him right before the credits rolled. Doesn't matter.

Overall, I enjoyed how JJ was able to tell a lot of stories without actually telling them. With the acting, some of the backdrop, some phrases that could have been throw away lines but clearly weren't, it was a lot of fun. I have no trouble with the parallels to New Hope. In fact, I think it makes it work better. Because to me I think the overarching story that JJ might be going for here is something that the alien rodent looking chick that was hiding the lightsaber said - how over thousands and thousands of years she has seen the empire, the first order, all of it. All the same, just different names. The give and take between good and bad in this universe never stops. And history always repeats itself. Vader was taken from his mother, Luke was taken from his parents and then his gaurdians, Rey was taken/left from her family, Ren left his family, and on and on it goes. Even with the best of intentions, even the good guys get trapped in the same cycle the bad guys get trapped in. The failure of the jedi in Revenge of the Stih was thinking that they could stop it, the failure of the resistance and Luke in Return of the Jedi was thinking they ended it, and the failure of Luke again in the intervening years was thinking that it couldn't happen again almost the same way. There will always be evil somewhere and there will always be good to stand against it. And when both sides try to eliminate the other all they do is make things worse for themselves. That is one of the clear lessons of his universe.

Or, given that the original trilogy dropped so many moments on us that we weren't expecting, maybe I'm reading more into it. But I like where JJ took this. It was very much a Star Wars movie and not a movie set in the Star Wars universe - the ultimate reason why the prequels seem to have failed. They didn't capture what this movie did. None of the 7 are the best movie ever made from an acting and writing point of view, but this one clearly captured whatever was clearly missing from at least the first 2 prequels.

So I'm hooked. Can't wait for the next one. Will be going to see this one again just because it is better on the big screen. The one issue I do have that was brought up here though is the planet that was destroyed - I thought it was Courressant. Seems it wasn't. If not I would have liked a little more info on why that was the main hub of the new galactic government. But it's a small problem. And apparantly all the government politics stuff in the prequels wasn't well received even though I enjoyed it, so I'm probably the wrong audience for that story at this point.

Empire is still the best of all of them and none of them are a close second. I would put New Hope second and this one third. But I could be made to change my mind. It wasn't better than Empire though. To me, few movies int he sci/fi fantasy arena are (really only one and that is Wrath of Khan which I still say is a top 10 overall movie ever).

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

A bigger question is how come they can't send information electronically in the star wars universe? You have to physically stick the data in a droid. Then later go retrieve said droid. All that technology and you can't send a text or email.

everyone in the galaxy was searching for Luke Skywalker, and you want them to just email the map?

I am sure there are people like Mrs. Clinton in the Star Wars uni. No way you can trust the Luke Map with such a service.

 

[Todem]

And Rick James is happy to post in the other thread he thought Luke would be more involved in the movie. I think it was pretty lame and we waited the whole movie for that? We had to sacrifice Han because R2D2 couldn't act quick enough and wake the bleep up?

In whatever year and technology these folks they have but they can't piece a GD map together? That one little tetris piece was the end all be all piece of the pie?

What was the real objective in this movie? When the planet imploded a few minutes later I realized that was it...it was anti climatic as all could be.

But that's me and there are a handful of critics who also have some reservations. You guys are being goofs for just drinking this up because they wheeled out some of the old characters. Take Solo out of this movie and you have a lot of angry folks. Luke will carry the next 2 films I suppose.

I grew up with this, and I think the weakest scene of the movie involved Han, Leia was bad, and cringed when c3-po showed up.

I think Kylo, Rey, and Poe were great. For me Finn was just good - just a few too mang jokes and snarks.

I will admit that I wouldn't have had quite the reaction if there wasnt X-Wing fighters and other stuff I love in it, but all I wanted out of this is some good acting, good looking action and no stupid physical humor and fart jokes. It delivered on those big time.

Talk to me about the action because I almost fell asleep in most of the "action" scenes. I felt the special efx were very so so. Nothing blew me away they did this in this film form a technical aspect.

You really want to have a discussion about it, this is how I felt:

The X-wing/Tie Fighter stuff didn't get me that juiced up, Poe was almost too good during that one scene where he took out like 7 Tie Fighters in 11 seconds.

But the scene with the X-Wings coming over the water was amazing. Visually, the crashed Star Destroyer Rey rode by on the speeder was incredible, but we saw that in the trailer. That's actually the shot that sold me on Abrams' vision for this.

As far as action goes, the Falcon/Tie Fighter chase at the beginning was excellent.

And most importantly, the lightsaber duels. WOW. They were raw, passionate, and intense, like the ones in ESB and ROTJ. Didn't look choreographed to death or performed by 130 lb acrobats twirling batons. The lightsaber battles had some weight to them, very gritty compared to the prequels which were just like circus acts, too clean and rehearsed-looking.

While I prefer the gritty more raw duels like you said. I have to defend the prequels here (don't throw tomatoes at me please) The prequels was the golden age of the Jedi Order and it was a universe with highly skilled and highly trained Jedi's from basically birth. So that is why the fighting was so concise and amazing and for some, over the top.

I have to point that out.

Where as in the original series Luke was raw and it was well shown in the first two episodes. And now again in Episode 7 with Rey. Kylo was badly hurt. Rey had that advantage and it was her only advantage for the most part. Kylo healthy would have sliced her apart IMO.

Anyway of course back in 77-83 Lucas did not have the same type of acrobatic choreographed duals like the prequels. But I really enjoyed the amazing duels of Episodes 1-3. It was really the only redeeming qualities of the prequels. The rest was pure CGI fodder.

Saw this again yesterday (then walked into Creed which also was a heck of flick) and it was even better the second time around. I will see this one more time for good measure. It was meant to be seen on the giant silver screen.

 

[Hang 10]

A bigger question is how come they can't send information electronically in the star wars universe? You have to physically stick the data in a droid. Then later go retrieve said droid. All that technology and you can't send a text or email.

everyone in the galaxy was searching for Luke Skywalker, and you want them to just email the map?

How was BB8 supposed to get to Leia?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

A bigger question is how come they can't send information electronically in the star wars universe? You have to physically stick the data in a droid. Then later go retrieve said droid. All that technology and you can't send a text or email.

The extranet was an EU concept. They've ignored the EU except where convenient. Having something that eliminates the plot is not convenient.

Star Wars is a universe which had no Al Gore.

I think you are on to something. That would explain all the hot desert planets as well.

 

[Jaysus]

It is an unpopular opinion that I believe Rey to be Kylo's brother: the daughter of Han and Leia that Han did not know about?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

It is an unpopular opinion that I believe Rey to be Kylo's brother: the daughter of Han and Leia that Han did not know about?

Maybe. I'm enjoying the ideas that Leia had a kid with everyone that no one else knows about.

Hey, maybe in the aftermath of Jedi, Luke found the old cloning center on Genosis and cloned Leia to be his own daughter and that is who Rey is. Why not?

 

[AcerFC]

Did JJ take this from somewhere. Is the story one he came up with or adapted

I thought Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn was brilliant but nothing from there was used

 

[bagger]

MOP really is wrong about everything, all the time. Impressive. Most impressive.

Opinions are not wrong, they're opinions. I'm happy folks are happy but there is definitely room for criticism and there is plenty around the internet if you look. Solo and Leia were both welcome pick you ups but the leads are once again sort of so so. I acknowledge that the KR guy might have played it as written so then we can take aim at Abrahams.

Let's start at the top, opening credits and then we get a ship passing that is eerily the same as Star Wars and it's supposed to be but again the original was bigger and more impressive even vs the modern film, it is/was.

Let's talk about Tatooine II or whatever they called it, Jackaroo. In the first film they had Mos Eisley and crazy characters with lightsaber duels in the bar...this place was like the set was still there but all the actors had been sent home. The ice planet was like Hoth but no At At walkers or whatevr. Remember the ropes going around the Imperial Walkers in Empire? They were trying to pay homage but in the process reminding us of better films.

Just an opinion.

You're pretty alone in not liking the two new leads.

The Finn character played like Samuel Jackson in Die Hard 3. Where were Finn's parents? His family? His ancestors? His planet? There were not many other folks that looked much like Finn. He kind of stuck out like a sore thumb but I'm glad everyone liked him. I'm surprised they didn't dress him up in a Michael Jackson leather jacket and have him moonwalk onto the Millenium Falcon.

So your problem with Finn is that he's black? Nice. Did you question the existence of Lando in the original trilogy?

Finn was taken from his family at a young age by the First Order and conditioned to be a soldier. They're nobodies, and he doesn't know who they are. That's all that matters about his backstory.

Your explanations of your opinions are even more wrong than your opinions.

Not that he's black but he's the only black person in the entire film. It was a big part of the movie and there really wasn't any reason to cast it the way they did. They cast it that way to appeal to a broader audience, just calling it like it is.

he is a great actor.Isn't there an aisle in whole foods that needs some mopping?

 

[El Floppo]

I though Hamill did more with that 3 minutes of silent acting than he ever did in any of the first three movies.

Had the exact same thought. Every time I see the original movies I'm struck by just how bad Hamill is. Maybe the key is to not let him say anything?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Did JJ take this from somewhere. Is the story one he came up with or adapted

I thought Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn was brilliant but nothing from there was used

JJ and Kasdan wrote the outline on their own for the trilogy. Whether anything in the now non cannon EU influenced them is up to each fans interpretation.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I did end my OP with what was the best moment of the film for me, meeting little Finn on the way out of the theater. He had a blast and so the movie is a huge success.

My wife got irritable with me leaving the theater as well once she knew I didn't like it as much as her.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Did JJ take this from somewhere. Is the story one he came up with or adapted

I thought Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn was brilliant but nothing from there was used

I think that was the only book I ever read that was post Jedi.

30 years went by and we got very little info. I wouldn't be shocked if they came out with several spin offs, Disney paid $4B and wants a lot more than 3 films.

 

[Jaysus]

I asked the 10 year old boy who sat behind us what he thought of the movie once it was over, he was visibly disturbed and he said that he hated it. His dad or uncle or whoever claimed it was all because Han died.

 

[AAABatteries]

It is an unpopular opinion that I believe Rey to be Kylo's brother

That's one crazy theory. She's pretty hot for a dude.

 

[AcerFC]

It is an unpopular opinion that I believe Rey to be Kylo's brother

That's one crazy theory. She's pretty hot for a dude.

lolz

 

[AAABatteries]

A bigger question is how come they can't send information electronically in the star wars universe? You have to physically stick the data in a droid. Then later go retrieve said droid. All that technology and you can't send a text or email.

everyone in the galaxy was searching for Luke Skywalker, and you want them to just email the map?

How was BB8 supposed to get to Leia?

I think Poe told him to wait and he'd come back to get him. Not a great plan in hindsight.

 

[ericttspikes]

I loved it . Smiled the whole movie. I was on Star Wars media blackout until I saw it, so I knew nothing going in. The film looked great. It had a warm quality that made it kind of look it was from the 70's, especially the scenes on Jukka. I like the old school touches throughout, while also ramping up the special effects. Great battle scenes.

Casting was great too. Other than Oscar Isacc, who I recognized and thought did a great job, I didn't know the others. The actors all did a great job and fit their parts. I thought Rey was really good. Fin too. Worthy leads IMO. The subtle humor that I remember making Star Wars unique, and that was sorely missing from the prior 3 films, was back. Will see it again soon, and looking forward to the rest. Great job JJ!!!

My only complaint was that the plot was basically Episode IV, but still loved it.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Did JJ take this from somewhere. Is the story one he came up with or adapted

I thought Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn was brilliant but nothing from there was used

I think that was the only book I ever read that was post Jedi. 30 years went by and we got very little info. I wouldn't be shocked if they came out with several spin offs, Disney paid $4B and wants a lot more than 3 films.

They have already announced numerous times this year that they are making multiple films outside of the new trilogy. The first is coming out in December of 2016 called Star Wars Rogue One.

 

[mcintyre1]

And what do they have Finn, the only black character in the entire film I could find, what do they have his profession within the First Order?

JANITORIAL SERVICES!!!

You can't make this stuff up. Let's make him the custodian.

Star Wars

Janitor to Jedi

There are several black Rebels in the base, and at least one of them is a wingman of Poe.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Saw it over the weekend, and I loved it. Far better than any of the prequels in almost every way. Unlike the prequels, the CGI here didn't distract from the movie. While it did not always look perfect (i'm not sure why walking is the toughest thing to do with CGI), but it didn't constantly make it seem like you were watching a cartoon.

The scene with Rey going through the downed star destroyers instantly hooked me. It made me feel like I was actually watching a star wars movie. While I think Lucas felt the need to constantly create something new (maybe it was for toy purposes, maybe it was because of a massive amount of creativity he was trying to express?) but he didn't make the prequels feel like they came before the orignals. The prequel costumes, ships, weapons all felt newer. Maybe that is hard to do when you're going from physical models in 1977 to CGI, but it didn't work. Looking at the ships from the originals made me feel like I was watching Star Wars instead of something inspired by Star Wars.

Ford was meh. Fisher was horrible. Looking forward to seeing Hamil be the aging Jedi master in movies to come.

The new characters were all solid.

I wonder if people complaining about the camp, and too many jokes are the same people who think Ep V is the best? Because Ep IV was the funniest, and had the most intentional humor of all the movies (also uncoincidentally was the only one Lucas didn't first hand destroy the dialogue as he had someone else write it).

 

[Billy Bats]

About R2 and why he woke up:

Abrams also explained why it was that R2 woke up at the end of the film, saying, "BB-8 comes up and says something to him, which is basically, Ive got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest? The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up."

 

[NewlyRetired]

About R2 and why he woke up:

Abrams also explained why it was that R2 woke up at the end of the film, saying, "BB-8 comes up and says something to him, which is basically, Ive got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest? The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up."

I must not be remembering the interaction correctly. For some reason I think BB8 pulls the sheet off of R2, head butts him a few times and nothing happens and then 3PO explains the low power mode.

I thought it was a later scene in which R2 awakens?

 

[El Floppo]

About R2 and why he woke up:

Abrams also explained why it was that R2 woke up at the end of the film, saying, "BB-8 comes up and says something to him, which is basically, Ive got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest? The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up."

I must not be remembering the interaction correctly. For some reason I think BB8 pulls the sheet off of R2, head butts him a few times and nothing happens and then 3PO explains the low power mode.

I thought it was a later scene in which R2 awakens?

yep.

 

[TripItUp]

saw it on IMAX 3D last night...

1) I really liked the 3D experience....it was subtle enough not to give me a headache but used enough to add a dimension to action scenes. Probably the most well done 3D that I've seen.

2) Overall I thought the acting was good, wasn't a huge fan of Finn but I can see how he would appeal to younger generations. Fisther's performance was inconsistent.

3) Rey was awesome, you can build a series around her.

4) The deathstar plot is played out...this was the most disappointing facet of the film IMHO.

5) Abrams did a great job with the cinematography and visuals and the score was well done too

6) A little too much nostalgia in this one, I understand it goes a long way with some of the audience, but made it a little hokey for me.

7) Dialogue was soooo much better than the prequels and perhaps some of the originals.

Overall I'd rank it behind IV and V...very close to VI...need to digest it more.

 

[tommyboy]

About R2 and why he woke up:

Abrams also explained why it was that R2 woke up at the end of the film, saying, "BB-8 comes up and says something to him, which is basically, Ive got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest? The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up."

I must not be remembering the interaction correctly. For some reason I think BB8 pulls the sheet off of R2, head butts him a few times and nothing happens and then 3PO explains the low power mode.

I thought it was a later scene in which R2 awakens?

yep.

it was after Han died. Chewie was sitting down next to R2 and then he powers up.

 

[El Floppo]

saw it on IMAX 3D last night...

1) I really liked the 3D experience....it was subtle enough not to give me a headache but used enough to add a dimension to action scenes. Probably the most well done 3D that I've seen.

2) Overall I thought the acting was good, wasn't a huge fan of Finn but I can see how he would appeal to younger generations. Fisther's performance was inconsistent.

3) Rey was awesome, you can build a series around her.

4) The deathstar plot is played out...this was the most disappointing facet of the film IMHO.

5) Abrams did a great job with the cinematography and visuals and the score was well done too

6) A little too much nostalgia in this one, I understand it goes a long way with some of the audience, but made it a little hokey for me.

7) Dialogue was soooo much better than the prequels and perhaps some of the originals.

Overall I'd rank it behind IV and V...very close to VI...need to digest it more.

Agree with every point.

I still totally enjoyed the movie, even if the nostalgia/hehash was a bit much.

 

[AcerFC]

I cant wait til we see Jabba and Leias offspring

When it comes out that Kylo is the son of Leia, the one who killed Jabba, I am sure the Hutts will launch an all out attack on the First Order. That should be a fun subplot

 

[TripItUp]

Plot/story issues I had

1) The Republic just let them build a multi planet destroyer? Doesn't seem likely.

2) Solo had never fired Chewey's xbow?? Cmon man.

3) Leia has the force but never develops it after several decades...seems weird

4) If the force is spontaneous within newborns, there should be hundreds of jedis throughout the galaxy, right? More of a question.

5) Rey was far more advanced with a light saber than was Luke at first touch....seems inconsistent

 

[Billy Bats]

About R2 and why he woke up:

Abrams also explained why it was that R2 woke up at the end of the film, saying, "BB-8 comes up and says something to him, which is basically, Ive got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest? The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up."

I must not be remembering the interaction correctly. For some reason I think BB8 pulls the sheet off of R2, head butts him a few times and nothing happens and then 3PO explains the low power mode.I thought it was a later scene in which R2 awakens?

yep.

That's what I thought too. Glad I'm not going that nuts.

 

[packersfan]

About R2 and why he woke up:

Abrams also explained why it was that R2 woke up at the end of the film, saying, "BB-8 comes up and says something to him, which is basically, Ive got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest? The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up."

I must not be remembering the interaction correctly. For some reason I think BB8 pulls the sheet off of R2, head butts him a few times and nothing happens and then 3PO explains the low power mode.I thought it was a later scene in which R2 awakens?

yep.

That's what I thought too. Glad I'm not going that nuts.

I like my explanation that Luke reached out to R2 and triggered his return more than what Abrams said and I'd be happy to tell him that if he'd like to schedule a meeting.

 

[packersfan]

Oh and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Luke would use the Force to take the lightsaber out of Rey's hand at the end.

 

[Scoresman]

Oh and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Luke would use the Force to take the lightsaber out of Rey's hand at the end.

When the lightsaber was in the snow and Ren and Rey were both trying to grab it during their fight, that's when I thought Luke was going to show up and go to town on Ren.

 

[Scoresman]

I dont think Luke's gonna kick the bucket anytime soon. They're setting him up for a major redemption arc after letting his student go to the darkside and abandoning everyone. Him and Rey have a lot of work to do.

EDIT: They're probably going to keep Leia around too but I'm sure they have something in their back pocket to kill her off in case Fisher falls off the wagon or something.

 

[NewlyRetired]

4) If the force is spontaneous within newborns, there should be hundreds of jedis throughout the galaxy, right? More of a question.

I roughly guess that this has something to do with Order 66.

It is Jedi's who first recognize and test young candidates if they think they are force sensitive.

With Jedi's being all but removed from the universe by Order 66, there might be plenty of candidates out there who will never be trained to learn how to use the power they have inside of them.

 

[NewlyRetired]

For those reading the books or with better hearing than me if they said in the movies, could you name the following planets for me?

1) The planet where Luke is (which I assume is the place of the first Jedi temple).

2) The planet where Leia and the resistance are based

3) The planet where Rey finds Luke's light saber

 

[Hawks64]

MOP really is wrong about everything, all the time. Impressive. Most impressive.

Opinions are not wrong, they're opinions. I'm happy folks are happy but there is definitely room for criticism and there is plenty around the internet if you look. Solo and Leia were both welcome pick you ups but the leads are once again sort of so so. I acknowledge that the KR guy might have played it as written so then we can take aim at Abrahams.

Let's start at the top, opening credits and then we get a ship passing that is eerily the same as Star Wars and it's supposed to be but again the original was bigger and more impressive even vs the modern film, it is/was.

Let's talk about Tatooine II or whatever they called it, Jackaroo. In the first film they had Mos Eisley and crazy characters with lightsaber duels in the bar...this place was like the set was still there but all the actors had been sent home. The ice planet was like Hoth but no At At walkers or whatevr. Remember the ropes going around the Imperial Walkers in Empire? They were trying to pay homage but in the process reminding us of better films.

Just an opinion.

You're pretty alone in not liking the two new leads.

The Finn character played like Samuel Jackson in Die Hard 3. Where were Finn's parents? His family? His ancestors? His planet? There were not many other folks that looked much like Finn. He kind of stuck out like a sore thumb but I'm glad everyone liked him. I'm surprised they didn't dress him up in a Michael Jackson leather jacket and have him moonwalk onto the Millenium Falcon.

So your problem with Finn is that he's black? Nice. Did you question the existence of Lando in the original trilogy?

Finn was taken from his family at a young age by the First Order and conditioned to be a soldier. They're nobodies, and he doesn't know who they are. That's all that matters about his backstory.

Your explanations of your opinions are even more wrong than your opinions.

Not that he's black but he's the only black person in the entire film. It was a big part of the movie and there really wasn't any reason to cast it the way they did. They cast it that way to appeal to a broader audience, just calling it like it is.

he is a great actor.Isn't there an aisle in whole foods that needs some mopping?

Unless you believe he was able to actually secure a job teaching our youth.

 

[Hawks64]

Did JJ take this from somewhere. Is the story one he came up with or adapted

I thought Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn was brilliant but nothing from there was used

I think that was the only book I ever read that was post Jedi. 30 years went by and we got very little info. I wouldn't be shocked if they came out with several spin offs, Disney paid $4B and wants a lot more than 3 films.

They have already announced numerous times this year that they are making multiple films outside of the new trilogy. The first is coming out in December of 2016 called Star Wars Rogue One.

Don't feed the troll

 

[NewlyRetired]

5) Rey was far more advanced with a light saber than was Luke at first touch....seems inconsistent

this has received the most discussion in the thread. You can read back for the longer speculations but in short, one of the many interesting ideas is:

Rey was already trained by Luke. When Luke lost Ren to the dark side, he panicked and wanted to protect Rey and he did that by using a mind suppression and stashing her on the out of the way planet. When Rey finds Luke's saber, she experiences an Awakening, which helps her remember some of her early training.

 

[packersfan]

Oh and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Luke would use the Force to take the lightsaber out of Rey's hand at the end.

When the lightsaber was in the snow and Ren and Rey were both trying to grab it during their fight, that's when I thought Luke was going to show up and go to town on Ren.

Me too. Then I thought it was going to happen after the battle. I thought he would show up then, everyone would mourn Han and begin a new plan for the future.

I need to see the film again knowing that he isn't going to show up until the end. I really spent most of my time watching the film waiting for him to show up and wondering when he would.