STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[tommyboy]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

Incompetent enough to use the force in muktipe ways, such as stopping a blaster , but can't defeat someone who just had a light sabre handed to them for the first time.Sorry, but i'm having a hard time accepting that luke couldn't use the force to pull up his own zipper despite being under obi wan tutelage, for some time anyway, and somehow she masters it in the time it takes to escape with no one to instruct her.

My wife said its because she is a woman. Case closed. I'm done arguing about it. It was a good movie I just found those qualities stop it from reaching its potential.

I watched a new hope and empire strikes back last night. Luke was clueless about his true potential goes to Yoda, fails, then next thing u see him fighting Darth Vader and somehow he's able to force fly straight up 30 feet and strike Vader a couple times before finally losing his hand. Oh and he all of a sudden knows he can jump into the abyss and fly into a maintenance chute. And he figures out how to telepathically call Leia to come save him. This all happens in 20 mins.

So Rey figures out some stuff quickly, yep. But she has had previous training. Not a big deal, IMO.

Couple that with the supreme Commander saying "there's been an awakening in the force, can you feel it?" to ren. This is the single most important scene in the movie.

Ren even says a couple times she's more powerful than she knows. All of this fits the Star Wars template

 

[FattyVM]

Album and video (low quality) of Rey's flashback.

Obi-Wan definitely said "Rey" there.

How did they get a dead actor's voice to say that. It sounds exactly like Alec Guinness.

“I said, ‘That’s cool, is that the thing from Ewan McGregor?’” Abrams recalled. “He said ‘No, we took a line from Alec Guinness saying ‘Afraid.’”

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens

 

[Rohn Jambo]

It seems like the old guards are all losers. The best they can look forward to is getting killed in a spectacular way in future episodes.

 

[Galileo]

When will the dark side ever figure out not to leave their most vulnerable point exposed??????

And with all the technological capability that they have, why can't they get their storm troopers better armor? Damn those guys go down easily.

 

[Insein]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

Incompetent enough to use the force in muktipe ways, such as stopping a blaster , but can't defeat someone who just had a light sabre handed to them for the first time.Sorry, but i'm having a hard time accepting that luke couldn't use the force to pull up his own zipper despite being under obi wan tutelage, for some time anyway, and somehow she masters it in the time it takes to escape with no one to instruct her.

My wife said its because she is a woman. Case closed. I'm done arguing about it. It was a good movie I just found those qualities stop it from reaching its potential.

I watched a new hope and empire strikes back last night. Luke was clueless about his true potential goes to Yoda, fails, then next thing u see him fighting Darth Vader and somehow he's able to force fly straight up 30 feet and strike Vader a couple times before finally losing his hand. Oh and he all of a sudden knows he can jump into the abyss and fly into a maintenance chute. And he figures out how to telepathically call Leia to come save him. This all happens in 20 mins.So Rey figures out some stuff quickly, yep. But she has had previous training. Not a big deal, IMO.

Couple that with the supreme Commander saying "there's been an awakening in the force, can you feel it?" to ren. This is the single most important scene in the movie.

Ren even says a couple times she's more powerful than she knows. All of this fits the Star Wars template

Luke had been training with Yoda for an undisclosed amount of time. We see him doing force things for at least 45 minutes of the movie. And as for Vader, he's very clearly toying with him. When its time for business, Vader shuts it down.

 

[AcerFC]

Who was the guy that gave poe the map to where luke was

 

[tangfoot]

Oh and he all of a sudden knows he can jump into the abyss and fly into a maintenance chute.

Vader pushed him into that shaft. I believe this is even visible as he looks over the railing after Luke jumps.

 

[MikeIke]

One thing I missed, did they confirm or just insinuate that Ren was the disciple that Luke lost? To that....what the 411 with Big Gollum?

Yes, Ren was training with Luke and turned dark, that's why Luke went into exile. The Supreme Leader, Snoke, is still a mystery.

ETA: I think Snoke is Yoda and Leia's son. She was a total slut.

 

[Thunderlips]

Who was the guy that gave poe the map to where luke was

I think he was the guy who was trying to get spice from those big worms in the deserts of Tattooine.

 

[Thunderlips]

One thing I missed, did they confirm or just insinuate that Ren was the disciple that Luke lost? To that....what the 411 with Big Gollum?

Yes, Ren was training with Luke and turned dark, that's why Luke went into exile.The Supreme Leader, Snoke, is still a mystery.

ETA: I think Snoke is Yoda and Leia's son. She was a total slut.

OK. Makes sense. I was looking for a big misdirection in that maybe Luke trained this Snoke clown.....he got ####ed up somehow...embraced the dark side and corrupted Ren as revenge.

 

[MikeIke]

Who was the guy that gave poe the map to where luke was

Max Von Sydow. HTH.

 

[fdas2]

This thread is getting weird now. Was really good for like a day after the movie was released.

Every thread Mario Kart posts in turns weird and creepy. You know this.

 

[Mario Kart]

This thread is getting weird now. Was really good for like a day after the movie was released.

Every thread Mario Kart posts in turns weird and creepy. You know this.

Your reading comprehension is severely low, hth.

 

[Todem]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

Incompetent enough to use the force in muktipe ways, such as stopping a blaster , but can't defeat someone who just had a light sabre handed to them for the first time.Sorry, but i'm having a hard time accepting that luke couldn't use the force to pull up his own zipper despite being under obi wan tutelage, for some time anyway, and somehow she masters it in the time it takes to escape with no one to instruct her.

My wife said its because she is a woman. Case closed. I'm done arguing about it. It was a good movie I just found those qualities stop it from reaching its potential.

I watched a new hope and empire strikes back last night. Luke was clueless about his true potential goes to Yoda, fails, then next thing u see him fighting Darth Vader and somehow he's able to force fly straight up 30 feet and strike Vader a couple times before finally losing his hand. Oh and he all of a sudden knows he can jump into the abyss and fly into a maintenance chute. And he figures out how to telepathically call Leia to come save him. This all happens in 20 mins.

So Rey figures out some stuff quickly, yep. But she has had previous training. Not a big deal, IMO.

Couple that with the supreme Commander saying "there's been an awakening in the force, can you feel it?" to ren. This is the single most important scene in the movie.

Ren even says a couple times she's more powerful than she knows. All of this fits the Star Wars template

It's freaking Star Wars.

A Saturday morning serial series, a spaghetti western set in space.

Come on folks.

 

[Capella]

This thread is getting weird now. Was really good for like a day after the movie was released.

Every thread Mario Kart posts in turns weird and creepy. You know this.

Yea. It's just been like 10 years now. Tiring.

 

[AcerFC]

Kids and I really liked it. Sitting at dinner trying to figure out the direction of episode 8

 

[dparker713]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

Incompetent enough to use the force in muktipe ways, such as stopping a blaster , but can't defeat someone who just had a light sabre handed to them for the first time.Sorry, but i'm having a hard time accepting that luke couldn't use the force to pull up his own zipper despite being under obi wan tutelage, for some time anyway, and somehow she masters it in the time it takes to escape with no one to instruct her.

My wife said its because she is a woman. Case closed. I'm done arguing about it. It was a good movie I just found those qualities stop it from reaching its potential.

I watched a new hope and empire strikes back last night. Luke was clueless about his true potential goes to Yoda, fails, then next thing u see him fighting Darth Vader and somehow he's able to force fly straight up 30 feet and strike Vader a couple times before finally losing his hand. Oh and he all of a sudden knows he can jump into the abyss and fly into a maintenance chute. And he figures out how to telepathically call Leia to come save him. This all happens in 20 mins.So Rey figures out some stuff quickly, yep. But she has had previous training. Not a big deal, IMO.

Couple that with the supreme Commander saying "there's been an awakening in the force, can you feel it?" to ren. This is the single most important scene in the movie.

Ren even says a couple times she's more powerful than she knows. All of this fits the Star Wars template

Luke had been training with Yoda for an undisclosed amount of time. We see him doing force things for at least 45 minutes of the movie. And as for Vader, he's very clearly toying with him. When its time for business, Vader shuts it down.

Luke leaves Hoth at the same time as the Falcon. So he's only on Dagoba as long as it takes the Falcon to get through the asteroid field and limp to Bespin. Han Chewie and Leia couldn't have been on Beapin for much time at all before he arrives.

Now we have no idea how much time travel takes in this universe, but they basically ignore all relativistic effects and all hyperdrive trips seem pretty quick even between backwaters and the main systems.

So, Luke trained anywhere from a few days to several years. Though a couple of weeks seems the most likely.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

One of my favorite Star Wars death scenes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLACxMXBRhM

 

[Billy Bats]

From JJ on Rey's flashback:

The idea of the voices was, we wanted the audience to feel but not necessarily be presented right in your face this idea that familiar, Force-strong voices were connecting with her. At least as well as they couldYou do hear a little bit of Yoda. You hear Luke yelling out, Nooo! from that moment in Empire. And you hear Obi-Wan at the end say, Rey, these are your first steps.Heres the cool part. We asked Ewan McGregor to come in and do the line. And he was awesome and we were very grateful. He was incredibly sweet and handsome, and all that stuff. Then he rode off on his motorcycle. Literally the coolest voice over actor ever.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cry Baby masked voice: Annoying, nothing close to his idol. Sounded like a video game sound efx clip when a rebel ship is trying to dock and the guy waiving him in comes on the com to instruct. What a temper tantrum character, not worthy of a showdown with the last Jedi. We find out later this kid sings Alto at least. Han n Leia have the ugliest child imaginable. Yoda looks better than this guy.

Finn: Felt like he was in a different movie and perhaps that's how they wanted it. He almost felt like he fell from Earth 1995 or something, he wasn't in step with the others. It's sad he will be a main focus guy for the rest of the run. A sacrificial death for this one at one point instead of say Solo which I'll get to in a second. The instant transformation to a potential lightsaber wielding Jedi was nothing short of a miracle or leap of faith.

Portman 2.0: She did a good job, wasn't really feeling it with her character but I'm not a teenage girl so I probably wasn't supposed to.

Solo and Chewie: Great. What do you expect from Ford almost 40 years later, guy is running around in his 70s shooting up the place still. Of course he looked tired, we're all gonna look haggard or worse when we get to that age. The big Solo scene, sad a Hall of Fame space smuggler would even think he could turn that kid by walking out there. Was no shock in it, in fact he never stood a chance in any kind of battle, he can't use a lightsaber.

Leia: Should have been puffing a cigar or smoking a pipe when she got off the ship to explain that wretched voice. She must have started smoking 3 packs a day after she helped defeat the Empire.

Carbon copy and not a great one. I was disappointed, not sure if this is better than Episode III. It definitely beats Menace and AotC but that's not saying much.

I liked this movie a lot better when it first aired in 1977. I saw nothing to progress the story, not sure why we even should care about Luke now eventually having a duel with Cry Baby. And this is going to fill up 2 more movies?

And what was with the Lord of the Rings hologram dude? Did not get that at all.

So I'm leaving the theater after the credits roll and there is a 5 yr old kid with full robe and hood, star wars shirt and mom with Leia buns. I asked him if he liked the movie and he screams yes and that his name is actually Finn(mom confirmed), I smiled. He had a blast and that's all that matters, not my little complaints right or wrong.

 

[timschochet]

Saw it today, and I really liked it, except-

When the villain took off his helmet and it turned out to be Lena Dunham's boyfriend from Girls. (Probably somebody has mentioned this already, but I deliberately haven't looked through the thread.)

That kind of ruined him for me. But otherwise very enjoyable.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Numbers continue to look great:

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After scoring the biggest single day in history on Friday, it was all but assured that Star Wars: The Force Awakens would topple Jurassic World’s $208.8 million for the largest domestic opening weekend of all time, with the J.J. Abrams-directed blockbuster earning $238 million in North America.

Final weekend numbers are due tomorrow, with some distributors suggesting it could go as high as $245 million. The feat is all the more remarkable given that the previous record opening for December was just $84.6 million, set by The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.

Globally, Star Wars: The Force Awakens has pulled in $517 million, giving it the second biggest worldwide opening behind Jurassic World’s $524.9 million, although final box office adjustments could give it the edge. However, unlike Jurassic World, The Force Awakens’ opening weekend did not include China, where the film will open in January.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Nostalgia clouds judgment of this movie it does.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Saw it today, and I really liked it, except-

When the villain took off his helmet and it turned out to be Lena Dunham's boyfriend from Girls. (Probably somebody has mentioned this already, but I deliberately haven't looked through the thread.)

That kind of ruined him for me. But otherwise very enjoyable.

Was it his look in general, that you knew him, he didn't need the mask, or what?

 

[Jobber]

Saw it today, and I really liked it, except-

When the villain took off his helmet and it turned out to be Lena Dunham's boyfriend from Girls. (Probably somebody has mentioned this already, but I deliberately haven't looked through the thread.)

That kind of ruined him for me. But otherwise very enjoyable.

The thing is Ren is supposed to be an off putting, putz of a man. He played the part perfectly. Ren is not, at this point, a villain at his peak ala Vader. We get to see him grow, along with Rey and the others.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Why R2 woke up from his coma:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9H8f58lgiQ

 

[AcerFC]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

 

[Otis]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

Yep, and arguably has more power from the start than Vader in IV- ie stopping the laser mid shot.

 

[Otis]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

Yep, and arguably has more power from the start than Vader in IV- ie stopping the laser mid shot.

Agreed. He may seem more screwed up and twisted, but I'm not seeing the perception of him being a crappy villain. He has the obsession and potential to end up a worse villain than Vader ever was.

 

[glvsav37]

I may have missed it but why did c3po have a red arm?

I asked a few pages back..... Nobody seems to know or care.

I'm guessing it will come up in 8 or one of the sidebar movies.

Not a real answer...but the only official answer we have so far

“Moments like Threepio’s arm came from the desire to, well, mark time. It’s almost like...”

Unknown events have transpired?

“Exactly. You know the moment when you reconnect with someone after years apart? You see the lines on their face, you think, oh, they’ve lived 10 years!”

from JJ Abrams

 

[Thunderlips]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

Agreed. I wasn't sold on him and probably judge him negatively because he plays Lena Dunham's BF on Girls......but he did a great job.

 

[El Floppo]

Saw it today, and I really liked it, except-

When the villain took off his helmet and it turned out to be Lena Dunham's boyfriend from Girls. (Probably somebody has mentioned this already, but I deliberately haven't looked through the thread.)

That kind of ruined him for me. But otherwise very enjoyable.

I thought Rey looked a lot like a Mexican teenager

 

[Otis]

I may have missed it but why did c3po have a red arm?

I asked a few pages back..... Nobody seems to know or care.

I'm guessing it will come up in 8 or one of the sidebar movies.

Not a real answer...but the only official answer we have so far

“Moments like Threepio’s arm came from the desire to, well, mark time. It’s almost like...”

Unknown events have transpired?

“Exactly. You know the moment when you reconnect with someone after years apart? You see the lines on their face, you think, oh, they’ve lived 10 years!”

from JJ Abrams

I like that concept. I think it's cool. A little ham handed when Threep introduces himself as "I'm C3P0, you may not recognize me because I have this red arm!"

 

[Otis]

Saw it today, and I really liked it, except-

When the villain took off his helmet and it turned out to be Lena Dunham's boyfriend from Girls. (Probably somebody has mentioned this already, but I deliberately haven't looked through the thread.)

That kind of ruined him for me. But otherwise very enjoyable.

I thought Rey looked a lot like a Mexican teenager

They scare me too.

HEYOOOO!

 

[Billy Bats]

Either no one actually reads the posts or I'm on everyone's ignore list.

This is at least the third, and final, post about it but the answer to 3PO's RED ARM can be found in this one shot comic: http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-special-c-3po-1

 

[Otis]

Either no one actually reads the posts or I'm on everyone's ignore list.

This is at least the third, and final, post about it but the answer to 3PO's RED ARM can be found in this one shot comic: http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-special-c-3po-1

So it's a cash grab. Pretty smart.

These guys have learned from the formula they've implemented in the Marvel universe. You can really leverage this into way more than just a three movie franchise.

 

[Billy Bats]

Either no one actually reads the posts or I'm on everyone's ignore list.

This is at least the third, and final, post about it but the answer to 3PO's RED ARM can be found in this one shot comic: http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-special-c-3po-1

So it's a cash grab. Pretty smart.

These guys have learned from the formula they've implemented in the Marvel universe. You can really leverage this into way more than just a three movie franchise.

Oh yea. This is a never ending money printing machine. The 4B price tag will look like a bargain within 5 years.

 

[The Duff Man]

Either no one actually reads the posts or I'm on everyone's ignore list.

This is at least the third, and final, post about it but the answer to 3PO's RED ARM can be found in this one shot comic: http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-special-c-3po-1

Spoiler: he gets a side job as a sex toy during that time of the month and gets caught red handed.

 

[MikeIke]

Saw it today, and I really liked it, except-

When the villain took off his helmet and it turned out to be Lena Dunham's boyfriend from Girls. (Probably somebody has mentioned this already, but I deliberately haven't looked through the thread.)

That kind of ruined him for me. But otherwise very enjoyable.

I thought Rey looked a lot like a Mexican teenager

Nothing wrong with that!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

http://i.imgur.com/D07zuFf.jpg

 

[Capella]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

Agreed. And how many people seeing this movie have seen Girls? Very small portion. I saw 15 minutes of it and then broke my tv.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

MOP really is wrong about everything, all the time. Impressive. Most impressive.

 

[timschochet]

Saw it today, and I really liked it, except-

When the villain took off his helmet and it turned out to be Lena Dunham's boyfriend from Girls. (Probably somebody has mentioned this already, but I deliberately haven't looked through the thread.)

That kind of ruined him for me. But otherwise very enjoyable.

Was it his look in general, that you knew him, he didn't need the mask, or what?

He was fine. It was just- it's Adam Sackler! I just couldn't buy it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP really is wrong about everything, all the time. Impressive. Most impressive.

Opinions are not wrong, they're opinions.

I'm happy folks are happy but there is definitely room for criticism and there is plenty around the internet if you look. Solo and Leia were both welcome pick you ups but the leads are once again sort of so so. I acknowledge that the KR guy might have played it as written so then we can take aim at Abrahams.

Let's start at the top, opening credits and then we get a ship passing that is eerily the same as Star Wars and it's supposed to be but again the original was bigger and more impressive even vs the modern film, it is/was.

Let's talk about Tatooine II or whatever they called it, Jackaroo. In the first film they had Mos Eisley and crazy characters with lightsaber duels in the bar...this place was like the set was still there but all the actors had been sent home. The ice planet was like Hoth but no At At walkers or whatevr. Remember the ropes going around the Imperial Walkers in Empire? They were trying to pay homage but in the process reminding us of better films.

Just an opinion.

 

[mcintyre1]

I thought it was over rated. Ray is somehow good at everything, masters the force in 24 hours, and way to obvious ending with ren/Ray.

Have you, you know, seen a Star Wars movie before? That's basically the MO of every single titular character in the series. Literally everything that Rey is good at is something that both Luke and Anakin are also naturally good at. Anakin blows up a capital ship at like, 9 years old while basically fiddling with the controls on a star fighter and Luke destroys the Deathstar by turning off the targeting equipment and just winging it.

We've seen throughout the original trilogy that the key to Luke becoming powerful is to believe in the force and to trust it. It takes him a movie and a half to do so (outside of the Death Star trench run). Rey grew up clearly knowing the legend of Luke, the Rebellion, and the Jedi. She's already primed to believe. She fully masters that belief at the end right before she starts kicking Ren's ###.

Frankly I'm glad they didn't drag it out. People are complaining that it is too much like IV, but if it took her two movies to become any kind of a badass, they'd just be rehashing what we've seen before.

Of course I've seen them...wow.How did she even know she could do some of that stuff with nobody to train her? She has never even used a sabre before and somehow able to beat ren who has been training his entire life. It diminishes her victory by making him appear incompetent.

And Luke knew about the force and rebellion, or have u never seen the originals trilogy? And she didn't believe it till han said so.

I'll entertain this for a brief moment.

She HAS the force, so don't be surprised that she can use it.

Nothing is diminished because Ren "IS" incompetent, and this fact was thrown in our faces several times. Throwing about 10 hissy fits didn't give that away?

She didn't necessarily "not believe" about the force and whatnot, she had just never SEEN it.

I guess people really do interpret obvious things in very different ways sometimes.

Incompetent enough to use the force in muktipe ways, such as stopping a blaster , but can't defeat someone who just had a light sabre handed to them for the first time.Sorry, but i'm having a hard time accepting that luke couldn't use the force to pull up his own zipper despite being under obi wan tutelage, for some time anyway, and somehow she masters it in the time it takes to escape with no one to instruct her.

My wife said its because she is a woman. Case closed. I'm done arguing about it. It was a good movie I just found those qualities stop it from reaching its potential.

For questioning whether I've seen the OG trilogy, you don't seem to remember it all that well. Luke didn't know about the Force when A New Hope starts and he's about the same age as Rey. Kenobi has to explain what the Force is to Luke after he hands over Anakin's saber - Obi-wan: "Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force..." Luke: "The Force?" Obi-wan: "The force is what gives the Jedi his power. It's an energy field surrounding all living things..." etc.

As for Luke "being under Obi-Wan's tutelage" -- what grand training do you think he was able to impart in the roughly week long time between when he explained what the Force even was to his death at the hands of Vader? People far nerdier than I have estimated that A New Hope takes place over roughly 6 days of in-universe time. By that timeline, Luke went from someone who had zero force ability or knowledge to capable of flying an X-Wing and using the force to launch a torpedo down a tiny hole to destroy the Death Star in about 6 days. Like I said, Rey being awesome at stuff over a very short timeline is hardly unlike any of the previous trilogies.

You also have to remember that Ren is not trying to kill Rey. He wants to train her in the force and the dark side. Combine that with him having taken both a bowcaster shot and a saber swipe, plus the obvious issues he has with control of his abilities when he's emotional (he is unable to penetrate Rey's mind when she throws him emotionally off-balance), and I'm not at all surprised that Rey was able to best him with a saber.

Purely in terms of movie making and honoring the style of the previous films, Rey needed to have some big moment to hint at her true power. Anakin had his stupid blowing up a droid control ship moment, Luke blew up the Death Star. But Rey isn't piloting a ship at that point in the plot, so she needs another way to show it. Enter her badassery with a saber. You may not have liked it, but I don't think it makes sense to criticize it as not being in line with the rest of the saga.

 

[Capella]

Either no one actually reads the posts or I'm on everyone's ignore list.

This is at least the third, and final, post about it but the answer to 3PO's RED ARM can be found in this one shot comic: http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-special-c-3po-1

I just don't know if I can read comics to connect the story. There's so many of them. Maybe if somebody compiles them all at the end as a lead up to the next movie I would be into it.

 

[mcintyre1]

MOP really is wrong about everything, all the time. Impressive. Most impressive.

Opinions are not wrong, they're opinions.

What world are you from? Of course opinions can be wrong.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

MOP really is wrong about everything, all the time. Impressive. Most impressive.

Opinions are not wrong, they're opinions.

I'm happy folks are happy but there is definitely room for criticism and there is plenty around the internet if you look. Solo and Leia were both welcome pick you ups but the leads are once again sort of so so. I acknowledge that the KR guy might have played it as written so then we can take aim at Abrahams.

Let's start at the top, opening credits and then we get a ship passing that is eerily the same as Star Wars and it's supposed to be but again the original was bigger and more impressive even vs the modern film, it is/was.

Let's talk about Tatooine II or whatever they called it, Jackaroo. In the first film they had Mos Eisley and crazy characters with lightsaber duels in the bar...this place was like the set was still there but all the actors had been sent home. The ice planet was like Hoth but no At At walkers or whatevr. Remember the ropes going around the Imperial Walkers in Empire? They were trying to pay homage but in the process reminding us of better films.

Just an opinion.

You're pretty alone in not liking the two new leads.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

The latest fan theory: Snoke is Darth Darth Binks.

http://www.wired.com/2015/10/insane-star-wars-theory/