STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

Did JJ take this from somewhere. Is the story one he came up with or adapted

I thought Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn was brilliant but nothing from there was used

Star Wars Ep4

 

[TripItUp]

5) Rey was far more advanced with a light saber than was Luke at first touch....seems inconsistent

this has received the most discussion in the thread. You can read back for the longer speculations but in short, one of the many interesting ideas is:

Rey was already trained by Luke. When Luke lost Ren to the dark side, he panicked and wanted to protect Rey and he did that by using a mind suppression and stashing her on the out of the way planet. When Rey finds Luke's saber, she experiences an Awakening, which helps her remember some of her early training.

I could see that...although the whole "mind erase" plot twist is kind of annoying.

 

[AcerFC]

So, if Luke is Reys father then Han, Leia and Luke suck as parents.

Han and Leia let their son go off to the dark side and then go to smuggling and being a general

Luke ditches his daughter in some desert planet to fend for herself with next to nothing.

Say it aint so

 

[NewlyRetired]

5) Rey was far more advanced with a light saber than was Luke at first touch....seems inconsistent

this has received the most discussion in the thread. You can read back for the longer speculations but in short, one of the many interesting ideas is:

Rey was already trained by Luke. When Luke lost Ren to the dark side, he panicked and wanted to protect Rey and he did that by using a mind suppression and stashing her on the out of the way planet. When Rey finds Luke's saber, she experiences an Awakening, which helps her remember some of her early training.

I could see that...although the whole "mind erase" plot twist is kind of annoying.

yeah, I agree but it would solve a lot of issues people have with her being "too good" immediately I think.

I assume this will be resolved in 8 one way or another with Luke explaining the back story.

 

[dparker713]

5) Rey was far more advanced with a light saber than was Luke at first touch....seems inconsistent

this has received the most discussion in the thread. You can read back for the longer speculations but in short, one of the many interesting ideas is:

Rey was already trained by Luke. When Luke lost Ren to the dark side, he panicked and wanted to protect Rey and he did that by using a mind suppression and stashing her on the out of the way planet. When Rey finds Luke's saber, she experiences an Awakening, which helps her remember some of her early training.

The simpler explanation is that Rey obviously had plenty of hand to hand experience growing up while Luke was bullseyeing womp rats in his T-16

 

[Scoresman]

I wonder if 8 is going to take place right after 7 or if time will have passed. I want to see that initial conversation between Luke and Rey.

 

[packersfan]

So, if Luke is Reys father then Han, Leia and Luke suck as parents.

Han and Leia let their son go off to the dark side and then go to smuggling and being a general

Luke ditches his daughter in some desert planet to fend for herself with next to nothing.

Say it aint so

The Skywalker clan is pretty much the definition of dysfunctional so this would be nothing new. Dad/Grandpa is the most feared villain in the galaxy. Brothers and sisters making out all the time. Lotsa stuff goin on here.

 

[NewlyRetired]

5) Rey was far more advanced with a light saber than was Luke at first touch....seems inconsistent

this has received the most discussion in the thread. You can read back for the longer speculations but in short, one of the many interesting ideas is:

Rey was already trained by Luke. When Luke lost Ren to the dark side, he panicked and wanted to protect Rey and he did that by using a mind suppression and stashing her on the out of the way planet. When Rey finds Luke's saber, she experiences an Awakening, which helps her remember some of her early training.

The simpler explanation is that Rey obviously had plenty of hand to hand experience growing up while Luke was bullseyeing womp rats in his T-16

I thought people were more concerned about her instant strong use of the force, which takes training, and not her physical skills.

I could be wrong though about what people did not like.

 

[AcerFC]

Why did Finn think Hans new ship was the First Republic

 

[dparker713]

5) Rey was far more advanced with a light saber than was Luke at first touch....seems inconsistent

this has received the most discussion in the thread. You can read back for the longer speculations but in short, one of the many interesting ideas is:

Rey was already trained by Luke. When Luke lost Ren to the dark side, he panicked and wanted to protect Rey and he did that by using a mind suppression and stashing her on the out of the way planet. When Rey finds Luke's saber, she experiences an Awakening, which helps her remember some of her early training.

The simpler explanation is that Rey obviously had plenty of hand to hand experience growing up while Luke was bullseyeing womp rats in his T-16

I thought people were more concerned about her instant strong use of the force, which takes training, and not her physical skills.

I could be wrong though about what people did not like.

I'm just specifically talking about her proficiency with a light saber. Of course that doesn't satisfy the people that think light sabers are some sort of mythical weapon that only a Jedi can use. Hence the speculation that Finn is force sensitive.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

-Chewbacca hamming it up for the nurse showing his bravery in Star Wars '15

-Chewbacca hamming it up playing chess in Star Wars '77.

 

[NewlyRetired]

So, if Luke is Reys father then Han, Leia and Luke suck as parents.

Han and Leia let their son go off to the dark side and then go to smuggling and being a general

Luke ditches his daughter in some desert planet to fend for herself with next to nothing.

Say it aint so

The Skywalker clan is pretty much the definition of dysfunctional so this would be nothing new. Dad/Grandpa is the most feared villain in the galaxy. Brothers and sisters making out all the time. Lotsa stuff goin on here.

do we know who Luke and Leia's grandfather is for certain (at least in the now non canon EU?)?

I know we got the explanation of the virgin birth from Shmi Skywalker about how she had Anikan but we also got the story of Plagueis who could "create life".

I always assumed these were related somehow and that metaphorically, Darth Plagueis was the grandfather.

 

[packersfan]

I didn't have a problem with Rey picking the Force up quickly - especially if she is Luke's daughter. But even if she isn't she has the Force and is clearly powerful. So I'm cool with her picking everything up quickly.

Finn using the lightsaber like he'd owned one for years is something I do have a problem with - unless we find out later he too has the Force.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Why did Finn think Hans new ship was the First Republic

my daughter asked me the exact same question yesterday and I could not answer.

I either missed something entirely, or it was just a small writing trick to make the Han and Chewie reveal more surprising.

Could they have stolen the ship from the First Order?

 

[dparker713]

I didn't have a problem with Rey picking the Force up quickly - especially if she is Luke's daughter. But even if she isn't she has the Force and is clearly powerful. So I'm cool with her picking everything up quickly.

Finn using the lightsaber like he'd owned one for years is something I do have a problem with - unless we find out later he too has the Force.

Finn got his ### handed to him both times he picked up a light saber.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I didn't have a problem with Rey picking the Force up quickly - especially if she is Luke's daughter. But even if she isn't she has the Force and is clearly powerful. So I'm cool with her picking everything up quickly.

Finn using the lightsaber like he'd owned one for years is something I do have a problem with - unless we find out later he too has the Force.

I don't see how wielding a light saber like a sword (in which he was likely trained to do as a Storm Trooper some where along the way since we see them using various type of weapons) is all that surprising.

He was not using it in any force sensitive ways from what I could tell but I will watch much closer next time.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

-Mysterious child grows up on a desert planet and becomes vital to blowing up a massive planet destroying space station, Star Wars '77.

-Mysterious child grows up on a desert planet and becomes vital to blowing up a massive planet destroying space station, Star Wars '15.

 

[dparker713]

Why did Finn think Hans new ship was the First Republic

my daughter asked me the exact same question yesterday and I could not answer.

I either missed something entirely, or it was just a small writing trick to make the Han and Chewie reveal more surprising.

Could they have stolen the ship from the First Order?

I took that to be the case because they had just fled the planet from the first order.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Why did Finn think Hans new ship was the First Republic

my daughter asked me the exact same question yesterday and I could not answer.

I either missed something entirely, or it was just a small writing trick to make the Han and Chewie reveal more surprising.

Could they have stolen the ship from the First Order?

I took that to be the case because they had just fled the planet from the first order.

damn I missed that mention in the movie. Why did they flee the planet? Did they steal those creatures?

 

[packersfan]

I didn't have a problem with Rey picking the Force up quickly - especially if she is Luke's daughter. But even if she isn't she has the Force and is clearly powerful. So I'm cool with her picking everything up quickly.

Finn using the lightsaber like he'd owned one for years is something I do have a problem with - unless we find out later he too has the Force.

I don't see how wielding a light saber like a sword (in which he was likely trained to do as a Storm Trooper some where along the way since we see them using various type of weapons) is all that surprising.

He was not using it in any force sensitive ways from what I could tell but I will watch much closer next time.

I'm not rehashing everything about this I posted on Saturday. It was a major problem I had with the story. If it's just me so be it.

 

[AcerFC]

-Mysterious child grows up on a desert planet and becomes vital to blowing up a massive planet destroying space station, Star Wars '77.

-Mysterious child grows up on a desert planet and becomes vital to blowing up a massive planet destroying space station, Star Wars '15.

and your point is?We all know it's the same story AND WE STILL LIKE IT. Go write a RB to exploit article

 

[dparker713]

Why did Finn think Hans new ship was the First Republic

my daughter asked me the exact same question yesterday and I could not answer.

I either missed something entirely, or it was just a small writing trick to make the Han and Chewie reveal more surprising.

Could they have stolen the ship from the First Order?

I took that to be the case because they had just fled the planet from the first order.

damn I missed that mention in the movie. Why did they flee the planet? Did they steal those creatures?

Rey and Finn had just fled. But I'm sure Han and Chewie did steal those creatures

 

[NewlyRetired]

Why did Finn think Hans new ship was the First Republic

my daughter asked me the exact same question yesterday and I could not answer.

I either missed something entirely, or it was just a small writing trick to make the Han and Chewie reveal more surprising.

Could they have stolen the ship from the First Order?

I took that to be the case because they had just fled the planet from the first order.

damn I missed that mention in the movie. Why did they flee the planet? Did they steal those creatures?

Rey and Finn had just fled. But I'm sure Han and Chewie did steal those creatures

oh sorry, I misunderstood you. When you said "I took that to be the case", I thought you were referring to my question about Han stealing the ship from the First Order.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Didn't Luke destroy the Empire back in '83? 30 years later and we get no real story for how this 1st Order came to power or how the Rebellion would have even allowed them to get to the point where they could build all this.

 

[AcerFC]

Didn't Luke destroy the Empire back in '83? 30 years later and we get no real story for how this 1st Order came to power or how the Rebellion would have even allowed them to get to the point where they could build all this.

And here the world thought we solved the German power in 1918. Who would have thought they would ever come to power again, way less than 30 years later.

 

[packersfan]

Didn't Luke destroy the Empire back in '83? 30 years later and we get no real story for how this 1st Order came to power or how the Rebellion would have even allowed them to get to the point where they could build all this.

I would assume much/most/all of this is tied into whatever happened that caused Luke to split. Once Luke left town it likely got easier to take on the rebellion. I would think that will be further developed in the next film or the next two. For what it's worth I did post on Saturday that I thought this film was weakened by having nearly everything about its story (other than Han's storyline) be a set-up for the future films.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Didn't Luke destroy the Empire back in '83? 30 years later and we get no real story for how this 1st Order came to power or how the Rebellion would have even allowed them to get to the point where they could build all this.

I would assume much/most/all of this is tied into whatever happened that caused Luke to split. Once Luke left town it likely got easier to take on the rebellion. I would think that will be further developed in the next film or the next two. For what it's worth I did post on Saturday that I thought this film was weakened by having nearly everything about its story (other than Han's storyline) be a set-up for the future films.

for me I love long form story telling. I never look at these as individual movies but more as an over all story. This movie in time will just become a chapter in a longer story for me. I actually am happy that they want to set things up for the future and not have a clean cut ending in 7.

I also expect future chapters to fill in some of the holes in the story we are experiencing today.

 

[Scoresman]

MOP spouting nonsense - FFA April 14, 2003

MOP spouting nonsense - FFA 2015

 

[Capella]

I wonder if 8 is going to take place right after 7 or if time will have passed. I want to see that initial conversation between Luke and Rey.

My thought is it picks up right there on that cliff.

 

[Capella]

MOP - you're seriously ruining this thread. I know you think you're cute or witty or whatever but it's really tired. Just let it go.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I wonder if 8 is going to take place right after 7 or if time will have passed. I want to see that initial conversation between Luke and Rey.

My thought is it picks up right there on that cliff.

that is interesting as I think it would make for a change in how things were done in the past from movie to movie. Every Star Wars movie has had a gap if memory serves

From 1 to 2 was 10 years

From 2 to 3 was 3 years

From 3 to 4 was 19 years

From 4 to 5 was 3 years

From 5 to 6 was 1 year

From 6 to 7 was ~30 years

The introduction scroll is typically used to help fill in the time gap. If they pick up right from that cliff scene, the scroll might have to get inventive to not just summarize EP 7

 

[hagmania]

MOP spouting nonsense - FFA April 14, 2003

MOP spouting nonsense - FFA 2015

 

[Rick James]

Finn has been in training since birth to be a stormtrooper. I don't see why it's totally unbelievable for him to have some skill with a sword. plus, he got whooped by Kylo Ren.

 

[Capella]

I wonder if 8 is going to take place right after 7 or if time will have passed. I want to see that initial conversation between Luke and Rey.

My thought is it picks up right there on that cliff.

that is interesting as I think it would make for a change in how things were done in the past from movie to movie. Every Star Wars movie has had a gap if memory serves

From 1 to 2 was 10 years

From 2 to 3 was 3 years

From 3 to 4 was 19 years

From 4 to 5 was 3 years

From 5 to 6 was 1 year

From 6 to 7 was ~30 years

The introduction scroll is typically used to help fill in the time gap. If they pick up right from that cliff scene, the scroll might have to get inventive to not just summarize EP 7

Good point about the scroll. Didn't consider that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Finn has been in training since birth to be a stormtrooper. I don't see why it's totally unbelievable for him to have some skill with a sword. plus, he got whooped by Kylo Ren.

He was a custodian, his words not mine.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I wonder if 8 is going to take place right after 7 or if time will have passed. I want to see that initial conversation between Luke and Rey.

My thought is it picks up right there on that cliff.

that is interesting as I think it would make for a change in how things were done in the past from movie to movie. Every Star Wars movie has had a gap if memory serves

From 1 to 2 was 10 years

From 2 to 3 was 3 years

From 3 to 4 was 19 years

From 4 to 5 was 3 years

From 5 to 6 was 1 year

From 6 to 7 was ~30 years

The introduction scroll is typically used to help fill in the time gap. If they pick up right from that cliff scene, the scroll might have to get inventive to not just summarize EP 7

Good point about the scroll. Didn't consider that.

So if there is a time gap, AND we all want answers, I guess we have to assume that Luke just does not tell her anything about her past until some other event happens in 8 and we finally get the back story on screen. There is no way they would ever give that back story in the scroll since they are making it too important to the story line.

 

[dparker713]

Finn has been in training since birth to be a stormtrooper. I don't see why it's totally unbelievable for him to have some skill with a sword. plus, he got whooped by Kylo Ren.

He was a custodian, his words not mine.

Everybody goes through Basic.

 

[Scoresman]

I wonder if 8 is going to take place right after 7 or if time will have passed. I want to see that initial conversation between Luke and Rey.

My thought is it picks up right there on that cliff.

that is interesting as I think it would make for a change in how things were done in the past from movie to movie. Every Star Wars movie has had a gap if memory serves

From 1 to 2 was 10 years

From 2 to 3 was 3 years

From 3 to 4 was 19 years

From 4 to 5 was 3 years

From 5 to 6 was 1 year

From 6 to 7 was ~30 years

The introduction scroll is typically used to help fill in the time gap. If they pick up right from that cliff scene, the scroll might have to get inventive to not just summarize EP 7

Good point about the scroll. Didn't consider that.

So if there is a time gap, AND we all want answers, I guess we have to assume that Luke just does not tell her anything about her past until some other event happens in 8 and we finally get the back story on screen. There is no way they would ever give that back story in the scroll since they are making it too important to the story line.

That's what I'm thinking too. It's almost like they have to pick it up right there on the cliff in 8. Or use some kind of flashback.

 

[Scoresman]

and what's the deal with Rey understanding BB8's bleeps and bloops. Did they have classes on how to speak droid there in the little slave village?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Loved this movie a lot. Only complaint I have is all I could think about was boning Rey.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I wonder if 8 is going to take place right after 7 or if time will have passed. I want to see that initial conversation between Luke and Rey.

My thought is it picks up right there on that cliff.

that is interesting as I think it would make for a change in how things were done in the past from movie to movie. Every Star Wars movie has had a gap if memory serves

From 1 to 2 was 10 years

From 2 to 3 was 3 years

From 3 to 4 was 19 years

From 4 to 5 was 3 years

From 5 to 6 was 1 year

From 6 to 7 was ~30 years

The introduction scroll is typically used to help fill in the time gap. If they pick up right from that cliff scene, the scroll might have to get inventive to not just summarize EP 7

Good point about the scroll. Didn't consider that.

So if there is a time gap, AND we all want answers, I guess we have to assume that Luke just does not tell her anything about her past until some other event happens in 8 and we finally get the back story on screen. There is no way they would ever give that back story in the scroll since they are making it too important to the story line.

That's what I'm thinking too. It's almost like they have to pick it up right there on the cliff in 8. Or use some kind of flashback.

it helps that Luke had the recognition and not Rey having any recognition. They shot that scene with the two reactions for a very specific purpose I think.

If Rey had any recognition, she would likely demand answers right on the cliff but since it was not played that way, the viewer could believe that Luke is going to bite his tongue to continue to protect her. Until we finally get some answers later.

Just grasping at straws here........................

 

[NewlyRetired]

and what's the deal with Rey understanding BB8's bleeps and bloops. Did they have classes on how to speak droid there in the little slave village?

I noticed that they made it a point to show that Rey could understand a lot of different languages. I think she speaks 3 languages, as well as understanding what ever Chewy does and BB8.

Not sure the meaning behind that.

 

[Rick James]

Rey has to be Luke's daughter. Here's a direct quote from that little creature thing after Rey has her vision

"That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him and now it calls to you!"

 

[packersfan]

Rey's reaction wasn't "Dad, WTF?" It was all about giving him his lightsaber back because it's time for him to join the fight. Luke's reaction is the one that could mean about a million different things but I definitely got the sense of him standing at the top of the mountain looking off into the distance that he was mourning Han.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Maybe Rey and Ren are both Lukes kids

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

and what's the deal with Rey understanding BB8's bleeps and bloops. Did they have classes on how to speak droid there in the little slave village?

Luke understands R2 right?

 

[NewlyRetired]

I wonder if Lupita Nyong'o is the first actor ever to win an academy award in an acting category and then go on to play a full CGI character in a future movie....

 

[NewlyRetired]

and what's the deal with Rey understanding BB8's bleeps and bloops. Did they have classes on how to speak droid there in the little slave village?

Luke understands R2 right?

not in 4. 3PO has to translate.

 

[dparker713]

and what's the deal with Rey understanding BB8's bleeps and bloops. Did they have classes on how to speak droid there in the little slave village?

Poe understands it too. Understanding droids isn't that unusual

 

[dparker713]

I wonder if Lupita Nyong'o is the first actor ever to win an academy award in an acting category and then go on to play a full CGI character in a future movie....

Tom hanks