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STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (2 Viewers)

You're right it was a skill that she only would even be aware of from watching the first star wars. How did she even know that it was thing? It's like something out of spaceballs.
:lmao: Abrams ####ed your girlfriend or sister, right?
Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?
I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.
I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.

What was the point then?
Think I made it pretty clear in my first post. The only reason Rey knows about a Jedi mind trick is because of "star wars". Seemed a little too self aware and silly.

 
Disclaimer: I saw ROTJ in the theater with my aunt but was too young to really remember it. Was always a big fan of the movies and the merch but got burnt out by my last long term GF who was crazy about it and got me BobaFet everything.

This new one was pretty MEH to me.

The first flight of the MF was great... I enjoyed the humor. The new characters (minus Kylo) were okay enough. BB8 was pretty awesome.

What I disliked was the repetition, the accelerated skills, the length, the weak-### bad guy.

Seriously, like, did Rey see the first movie? The way she did the Jedi mind trick was so lame... she just decided to try that? Cmon.

Definitely wouldn't go see it in theaters again. I actually kind of want to go back and watch Ep I before I see it again to maybe increase me appreciation for the new one.

I don't have kids, which I can see how that would increase your enjoyment of the film. I'm kind of surprised by how much love it's getting though.
This kind of criticism seems really silly to me. You went to a science fiction movie that has people that use magical powers. You are upset because those people figured out how to use magical powers at a rate faster than you think is standard magical power learning time.

 
You're right it was a skill that she only would even be aware of from watching the first star wars. How did she even know that it was thing? It's like something out of spaceballs.
:lmao: Abrams ####ed your girlfriend or sister, right?
Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?
I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.
I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.

What was the point then?
Think I made it pretty clear in my first post. The only reason Rey knows about a Jedi mind trick is because of "star wars". Seemed a little too self aware and silly.
Just spitballing here, but you saying you can suspend disbelief about mind control as long as it was taught, but you simply can't accept that maybe the precursor to mind control is being able to connect inside somebody's head(which happened to her moments before).

Or maybe the little magical particles told her about it...

Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.
 
Disclaimer: I saw ROTJ in the theater with my aunt but was too young to really remember it. Was always a big fan of the movies and the merch but got burnt out by my last long term GF who was crazy about it and got me BobaFet everything.

This new one was pretty MEH to me.

The first flight of the MF was great... I enjoyed the humor. The new characters (minus Kylo) were okay enough. BB8 was pretty awesome.

What I disliked was the repetition, the accelerated skills, the length, the weak-### bad guy.

Seriously, like, did Rey see the first movie? The way she did the Jedi mind trick was so lame... she just decided to try that? Cmon.

Definitely wouldn't go see it in theaters again. I actually kind of want to go back and watch Ep I before I see it again to maybe increase me appreciation for the new one.

I don't have kids, which I can see how that would increase your enjoyment of the film. I'm kind of surprised by how much love it's getting though.
This kind of criticism seems really silly to me. You went to a science fiction movie that has people that use magical powers. You are upset because those people figured out how to use magical powers at a rate faster than you think is standard magical power learning time.
It's one thing when you set up rules and ignore them, but there are almost no rules about the force.

 
Disclaimer: I saw ROTJ in the theater with my aunt but was too young to really remember it. Was always a big fan of the movies and the merch but got burnt out by my last long term GF who was crazy about it and got me BobaFet everything.

This new one was pretty MEH to me.

The first flight of the MF was great... I enjoyed the humor. The new characters (minus Kylo) were okay enough. BB8 was pretty awesome.

What I disliked was the repetition, the accelerated skills, the length, the weak-### bad guy.

Seriously, like, did Rey see the first movie? The way she did the Jedi mind trick was so lame... she just decided to try that? Cmon.

Definitely wouldn't go see it in theaters again. I actually kind of want to go back and watch Ep I before I see it again to maybe increase me appreciation for the new one.

I don't have kids, which I can see how that would increase your enjoyment of the film. I'm kind of surprised by how much love it's getting though.
This kind of criticism seems really silly to me. You went to a science fiction movie that has people that use magical powers. You are upset because those people figured out how to use magical powers at a rate faster than you think is standard magical power learning time.
It's one thing when you set up rules and ignore them, but there are almost no rules about the force.
If somebody thinks the actors did a bad job or didn't like the story in general I can understand that. Some criticism though is just going out of your way to criticize which to me basically means you aren't into science fiction. Thats cool too, but at least say that.

These weird "gotcha" things just make little sense to me.

Reminds me of people criticizing the Star Trek reboot for being fake because Kirk got promoted too quickly.

 
You're right it was a skill that she only would even be aware of from watching the first star wars. How did she even know that it was thing? It's like something out of spaceballs.
:lmao: Abrams ####ed your girlfriend or sister, right?
Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?
I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.
I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.What was the point then?
Think I made it pretty clear in my first post. The only reason Rey knows about a Jedi mind trick is because of "star wars". Seemed a little too self aware and silly.
Just spitballing here, but you saying you can suspend disbelief about mind control as long as it was taught, but you simply can't accept that maybe the precursor to mind control is being able to connect inside somebody's head(which happened to her moments before). Or maybe the little magical particles told her about it...

Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.
This is the 7th movie of the franchise. The prior 6 films established rules or guidelines to this fictional universe. So yeah, when one of these rules get broken it takes me out of the movie and ruins my suspension of disbelief. I feel like JJ should have been a little more faithful to the source material...especially since he didn't decided to plagiarize so much of it.

 
If you consider Star Wars Sci-Fi it means that YOU are not into Science Fiction. :nerd:

It is considered a space fantasy or space opera in that whole genre.

 
You're right it was a skill that she only would even be aware of from watching the first star wars. How did she even know that it was thing? It's like something out of spaceballs.
:lmao: Abrams ####ed your girlfriend or sister, right?
Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?
I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.
I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.What was the point then?
Think I made it pretty clear in my first post. The only reason Rey knows about a Jedi mind trick is because of "star wars". Seemed a little too self aware and silly.
Just spitballing here, but you saying you can suspend disbelief about mind control as long as it was taught, but you simply can't accept that maybe the precursor to mind control is being able to connect inside somebody's head(which happened to her moments before). Or maybe the little magical particles told her about it...

Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.
This is the 7th movie of the franchise. The prior 6 films established rules or guidelines to this fictional universe. So yeah, when one of these rules get broken it takes me out of the movie and ruins my suspension of disbelief. I feel like JJ should have been a little more faithful to the source material...especially since he didn't decided to plagiarize so much of it.
Which rule did they break? Anakin was using the force without any training. Luke only needed 5 minutes of training to block the shots from the training droid.The only new powers in the film were mind reading and stopping a blaster shot mid flight.

 
Seriously, like, did Rey see the first movie? The way she did the Jedi mind trick was so lame... she just decided to try that? Cmon.
we won't know until 8 or 9 but there has been plenty of speculation on this topic through out this thread and online that she had already received some training before being left on the planet and having her memory suppressed after Luke lost Kylo to the dark side.

All speculation at this point.
That was the first time she overtly used the force right?
yes, it was the first we saw of it and it came after she had the "awakening" from touching Luke's lightsaber.
See, that's total crap to me. It wasn't even in a moment of immediate danger where she might accidentally use the force instinctively. She just sort of nonchalantly tried it... and failed... and tried again?!
huh? Right before kylo ren tried to extract information from her and he couldn't do it. Instead she read his mind and knew he was scared of not being as strong as darth Vader. That's when she realized she may have the force and what made her attempt to use it on the guard.
Ok... if it works for you, great. For me the JMT is some high level #### that most people wouldn't even try... but this young non-padawan isn't even thwarted by failing, she still goes for it after fking it up and nails it... this super Jedi (who supposedly get all this crazy difficult and demanding training) move is her first outward manifestation of the Force.

Even if they flash back int he next one and show her training and they say, "Here, if you're even captured, just do this"... it just didn't work for me and goes against what I thought were the mechanics of the Star Wars world.

 
Seriously, like, did Rey see the first movie? The way she did the Jedi mind trick was so lame... she just decided to try that? Cmon.
we won't know until 8 or 9 but there has been plenty of speculation on this topic through out this thread and online that she had already received some training before being left on the planet and having her memory suppressed after Luke lost Kylo to the dark side.

All speculation at this point.
That was the first time she overtly used the force right?
yes, it was the first we saw of it and it came after she had the "awakening" from touching Luke's lightsaber.
See, that's total crap to me. It wasn't even in a moment of immediate danger where she might accidentally use the force instinctively. She just sort of nonchalantly tried it... and failed... and tried again?!
huh? Right before kylo ren tried to extract information from her and he couldn't do it. Instead she read his mind and knew he was scared of not being as strong as darth Vader. That's when she realized she may have the force and what made her attempt to use it on the guard.
Ok... if it works for you, great. For me the JMT is some high level #### that most people wouldn't even try... but this young non-padawan isn't even thwarted by failing, she still goes for it after fking it up and nails it... this super Jedi (who supposedly get all this crazy difficult and demanding training) move is her first outward manifestation of the Force.

Even if they flash back int he next one and show her training and they say, "Here, if you're even captured, just do this"... it just didn't work for me and goes against what I thought were the mechanics of the Star Wars world.
You're reading in rules that just don't exist.

 
You're right it was a skill that she only would even be aware of from watching the first star wars. How did she even know that it was thing? It's like something out of spaceballs.
:lmao: Abrams ####ed your girlfriend or sister, right?
Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?
I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.
I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.What was the point then?
Think I made it pretty clear in my first post. The only reason Rey knows about a Jedi mind trick is because of "star wars". Seemed a little too self aware and silly.
Just spitballing here, but you saying you can suspend disbelief about mind control as long as it was taught, but you simply can't accept that maybe the precursor to mind control is being able to connect inside somebody's head(which happened to her moments before). Or maybe the little magical particles told her about it...

Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.
This is the 7th movie of the franchise. The prior 6 films established rules or guidelines to this fictional universe. So yeah, when one of these rules get broken it takes me out of the movie and ruins my suspension of disbelief. I feel like JJ should have been a little more faithful to the source material...especially since he didn't decided to plagiarize so much of it.
Which rule did they break? Anakin was using the force without any training. Luke only needed 5 minutes of training to block the shots from the training droid.The only new powers in the film were mind reading and stopping a blaster shot mid flight.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Anakin and Luke were both great pilots before they had any formal training. Hell, I'm pretty sure there's a line in the phantom menace about anakins reflexes being so fast because he could see the moves he need to make a head of time. They were using the force without even realizing. I guess you could say the same thing about the training ball.

But the Jedi mind trick we've only seen done by Obi-wan(Jedi master) and Luke in ROTJ when it was established that he was now a badass.

 
Here are the occurrences of the JMT: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_trick

this was a good one:

When Skywalker was on Rodia to acquire weapons for the Rebel Alliance, he encountered an obnoxious Rodian who refused to take him to his contact, Taneetch Soonta. He attempted a mind trick to get the Rodian to be more cooperative, but to no effect. He tried again, adding the hand gesture that Kenobi had used, but the attempt again failed. He then gave up the attempt as pointless, realizing he didn't have enough knowledge for the trick to work, but the problem was resolved when the Rodian received a comm message instructing him to cooperate.[13]

Not sure where he was at with his training there

 
Which rule did they break?
That the JMT is typically accompanied by a little hand gesture. That and no one who's not a Jedi Master has ever done it.
I would recommend not bothering with Episodes 8, 9 and any that follow after that. If this type of thing ruins a movie for you, I can almost be certain you will hate any future Star War movies.
Never said the movie was bad or that part ruined it. I said it was okay and that part didn't work for me.

 
You're right it was a skill that she only would even be aware of from watching the first star wars. How did she even know that it was thing? It's like something out of spaceballs.
:lmao: Abrams ####ed your girlfriend or sister, right?
Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?
I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.
I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.What was the point then?
Think I made it pretty clear in my first post. The only reason Rey knows about a Jedi mind trick is because of "star wars". Seemed a little too self aware and silly.
Just spitballing here, but you saying you can suspend disbelief about mind control as long as it was taught, but you simply can't accept that maybe the precursor to mind control is being able to connect inside somebody's head(which happened to her moments before). Or maybe the little magical particles told her about it...

Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.
This is the 7th movie of the franchise. The prior 6 films established rules or guidelines to this fictional universe. So yeah, when one of these rules get broken it takes me out of the movie and ruins my suspension of disbelief. I feel like JJ should have been a little more faithful to the source material...especially since he didn't decided to plagiarize so much of it.
Which rule did they break? Anakin was using the force without any training. Luke only needed 5 minutes of training to block the shots from the training droid.The only new powers in the film were mind reading and stopping a blaster shot mid flight.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Anakin and Luke were both great pilots before they had any formal training. Hell, I'm pretty sure there's a line in the phantom menace about anakins reflexes being so fast because he could see the moves he need to make a head of time. They were using the force without even realizing. I guess you could say the same thing about the training ball.

But the Jedi mind trick we've only seen done by Obi-wan(Jedi master) and Luke in ROTJ when it was established that he was now a badass.
Again, Luke isn't even a Jedi when he uses it.

 
You're right it was a skill that she only would even be aware of from watching the first star wars. How did she even know that it was thing? It's like something out of spaceballs.
:lmao: Abrams ####ed your girlfriend or sister, right?
Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?
I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.
I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.What was the point then?
Think I made it pretty clear in my first post. The only reason Rey knows about a Jedi mind trick is because of "star wars". Seemed a little too self aware and silly.
Just spitballing here, but you saying you can suspend disbelief about mind control as long as it was taught, but you simply can't accept that maybe the precursor to mind control is being able to connect inside somebody's head(which happened to her moments before). Or maybe the little magical particles told her about it...

Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.
This is the 7th movie of the franchise. The prior 6 films established rules or guidelines to this fictional universe. So yeah, when one of these rules get broken it takes me out of the movie and ruins my suspension of disbelief. I feel like JJ should have been a little more faithful to the source material...especially since he didn't decided to plagiarize so much of it.
Which rule did they break? Anakin was using the force without any training. Luke only needed 5 minutes of training to block the shots from the training droid.The only new powers in the film were mind reading and stopping a blaster shot mid flight.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Anakin and Luke were both great pilots before they had any formal training. Hell, I'm pretty sure there's a line in the phantom menace about anakins reflexes being so fast because he could see the moves he need to make a head of time. They were using the force without even realizing. I guess you could say the same thing about the training ball.

But the Jedi mind trick we've only seen done by Obi-wan(Jedi master) and Luke in ROTJ when it was established that he was now a badass.
Again, Luke isn't even a Jedi when he uses it.
Yoda said he didn't require any more training and he trained Jedi for like 800 years. I'll yield to Yoda on that one.

 
Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.I don't think it's a coincidence that Anakin and Luke were both great pilots before they had any formal training. Hell, I'm pretty sure there's a line in the phantom menace about anakins reflexes being so fast because he could see the moves he need to make a head of time. They were using the force without even realizing. I guess you could say the same thing about the training ball.But the Jedi mind trick we've only seen done by Obi-wan(Jedi master) and Luke in ROTJ when it was established that he was now a badass.
Again, Luke isn't even a Jedi when he uses it.
This is true. But I don't think he had undergone anymore training. He just needed to face Vader.

Yoda says: "You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be."

And we have examples of Masters Like Mace Windu failing with it.

 
The success of TFA is why we get sequels to movies like Independence Day. Sad.
The reason TFA is successful is the same reason sequels are made for almost any high grossing film, but TFA itself has nothing to do with other sequels. Godfather and the original trilogy helped create the practice. Plus that the desire to make money exceeds new ideas.Sequels don't really bother me but I friggin' hate that many series end with the last film broken into two movies. Harry Potter did it will but most do not.
Hunger Games did it also - just trying to milk one last film out of a closed-ended trilogy.
Sure. I haven't seen the last one yet, suspect it won't be very good.

 
Dumb question, why was Luke's light saber blue in the movie when it was always green?
Luke made a new one after Vader chopped his hand off in ESB. That's why people were asking how the hell bug eyes ever got it in the first place.
I'm watching return of the Jedi right now and it's green
Yeah, that's what I mean. The green one was made after the blue one (Anakin's) went bye bye with his hand in Bespin.

 
Dumb question, why was Luke's light saber blue in the movie when it was always green?
Luke made a new one after Vader chopped his hand off in ESB. That's why people were asking how the hell bug eyes ever got it in the first place.
I'm watching return of the Jedi right now and it's green
This is LITERALLY painful...
sorry not everybody is a mega nerd fanboy like you. No reason to be a ####.
 
Dumb question, why was Luke's light saber blue in the movie when it was always green?
Luke made a new one after Vader chopped his hand off in ESB. That's why people were asking how the hell bug eyes ever got it in the first place.
I'm watching return of the Jedi right now and it's green
Yeah, that's what I mean. The green one was made after the blue one (Anakin's) went bye bye with his hand in Bespin.
gotcha
 
Dumb question, why was Luke's light saber blue in the movie when it was always green?
Luke made a new one after Vader chopped his hand off in ESB. That's why people were asking how the hell bug eyes ever got it in the first place.
I'm watching return of the Jedi right now and it's green
This is LITERALLY painful...
sorry not everybody is a mega nerd fanboy like you. No reason to be a ####.
Sorry. I'm just teasing a little.I thought everyone that has seen Jedi would also have seen ESB.

 
Was reading my son's lego star wars book to him and noticed the band in the Mos Eisley cantina plays jizz music
Jizz music? Were you using The Force on your light saber when listening to it as a teen?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jizz
You got the genres of music figured out but can't get light sabers?
just telling you what I read five minutes ago and in watching rotj now with my son and forgot he had a blue one.
 
Dumb question, why was Luke's light saber blue in the movie when it was always green?
Luke made a new one after Vader chopped his hand off in ESB. That's why people were asking how the hell bug eyes ever got it in the first place.
I'm watching return of the Jedi right now and it's green
Yeah, that's what I mean. The green one was made after the blue one (Anakin's) went bye bye with his hand in Bespin.
It will be interesting to see if there is any relation between Maz's story about the saber and the fact that Rey's vision had a piece from Cloud City in it.

Alternatively, this might also be a way to introduce Lando back into the story as he maybe he found it some how and got it to Maz.

 
Dumb question, why was Luke's light saber blue in the movie when it was always green?
Luke made a new one after Vader chopped his hand off in ESB. That's why people were asking how the hell bug eyes ever got it in the first place.
I'm watching return of the Jedi right now and it's green
This is LITERALLY painful...
sorry not everybody is a mega nerd fanboy like you. No reason to be a ####.
Sorry. I'm just teasing a little.I thought everyone that has seen Jedi would also have seen ESB.
Vader also makes a point to say mention that Luke made his own light saber in ROTJ.

 
Dumb question, why was Luke's light saber blue in the movie when it was always green?
Luke made a new one after Vader chopped his hand off in ESB. That's why people were asking how the hell bug eyes ever got it in the first place.
I'm watching return of the Jedi right now and it's green
This is LITERALLY painful...
sorry not everybody is a mega nerd fanboy like you. No reason to be a ####.
Sorry. I'm just teasing a little.I thought everyone that has seen Jedi would also have seen ESB.
I saw it a month ago. Just forgot the color in each movie. Watching rotj now and it's green and figured that was the one from episode 7 but I guess not.
 
What if they meant to show the one from Jedi but showed the one from ANH/ESB instead?

It'd be like those old Snickers commercials where the old guy misspelled Chiefs, "Good googly moogly."

 
Dumb question, why was Luke's light saber blue in the movie when it was always green?
Luke made a new one after Vader chopped his hand off in ESB. That's why people were asking how the hell bug eyes ever got it in the first place.
I'm watching return of the Jedi right now and it's green
This is LITERALLY painful...
sorry not everybody is a mega nerd fanboy like you. No reason to be a ####.
Sorry. I'm just teasing a little.I thought everyone that has seen Jedi would also have seen ESB.
I saw it a month ago. Just forgot the color in each movie. Watching rotj now and it's green and figured that was the one from episode 7 but I guess not.
ignoring color, Maz says that the light saber belonged to both Luke and Luke's father. Here is how the order goes:

Obi picks up the saber in 3 after defeating Anikan

Obi gives the saber to Luke in 4

The saber is then lost in 5 when Vader cuts off Luke's hand in Cloud City

Luke then constructs a new saber in the year between 5 and 6.

Somehow Maz acquires the lost saber between 6 and 7 and then Rey touches it kicking off the flashbacks.

 
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What if they meant to show the one from Jedi but showed the one from ANH/ESB instead?

It'd be like those old Snickers commercials where the old guy misspelled Chiefs, "Good googly moogly."
Fans would fill in the blanks for them either way.

What's funny about the blue light saber is that Lucas made that one that Vader slaughters a buncha kids with it in ROTS. Why the #### would Obi-wan keep that thing and pass it on??

 
Disclaimer: I saw ROTJ in the theater with my aunt but was too young to really remember it. Was always a big fan of the movies and the merch but got burnt out by my last long term GF who was crazy about it and got me BobaFet everything.

This new one was pretty MEH to me.

The first flight of the MF was great... I enjoyed the humor. The new characters (minus Kylo) were okay enough. BB8 was pretty awesome.

What I disliked was the repetition, the accelerated skills, the length, the weak-### bad guy.

Seriously, like, did Rey see the first movie? The way she did the Jedi mind trick was so lame... she just decided to try that? Cmon.

Definitely wouldn't go see it in theaters again. I actually kind of want to go back and watch Ep I before I see it again to maybe increase me appreciation for the new one.

I don't have kids, which I can see how that would increase your enjoyment of the film. I'm kind of surprised by how much love it's getting though.
This kind of criticism seems really silly to me. You went to a science fiction movie that has people that use magical powers. You are upset because those people figured out how to use magical powers at a rate faster than you think is standard magical power learning time.
This post was awesome.

 
As the JMT thing goes, Star Wars is definitely one of those franchises where you have to suspend disbelief a bit with things like power and marksmanship, which will change starkly depending on who they need to win the current encounter.

Yeah, it was kind of silly that Rey decided to try that JMT thing she saw Obi Wan do in the 1977 film Star Wars directed by George Lucas. It was equally silly that the first time she picked up a lightsaber she beat the crap out of a trained force user that was strong enough to be able to manipulate the force in ways that even Yoda/Vader/Obi-Wan could not. But this is a franchise that makes stormtroopers crackshot marksmen when shooting faceless rebels and completely inept when shooting at a known character. If they backed the good guys into the corner enough, they'd have Jar Jar pick up a broom and beat Darth Vader in a lightsaber/broom duel to save the day.

I can understand the criticism, but just enjoy the ride and know that the good guy is going to be weak and useless when they need them to be weak and useless and is going to be the most powerful Jedi in the universe when they need them to be the most powerful Jedi in the universe. I think they rushed it this time, but it's all in the fun.

 

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