What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.

Star Wars The Last Jedi Episode 8 thread: this thread sucks, you should avoid it even after you've seen the movie (1 Viewer)

need2know said:
Should have known Disney wouldn't have the balls to turn Rey to the dark side.  Would have been awesome.  Oh well
Click to expand...
Did anyone really think this was going to happen?

 
bagger said:
I still don’t think Kylo is lying about Rey’s parents...she was really nothing the same as the kid sweeping up the stables on canto bight. Shows there are force users out there who can be powerful beyond one lineage.
Click to expand...
Fair point. 

 
tommyboy said:
The story arc seems to be that Rey and kylo are in love. 
Click to expand...
I still can never figure out the romance stuff in these movies. I struggled the whole time trying to understand if they had a love thing or just a brother-sister thing or just a force thing.  Weird. 

 
Autumn Wind said:
One thing I learned today is that a LOT of people are really upset over the scene of Luke milking the alien cow. Yikes.
Click to expand...
Actually one of my favorites. Finding his inner Yoda in that scene.

The scene that irked me the most was actually right out of the gate with Poe crank calling the General.

I swear I thought the entire time I watching Spaceballs 2

Huge misstep that scene was. 

Seeing it again this week and I am sure I will find more to like. But I still stand by my original thoughts. Some great moments and scenes but overall not even in my top 5 Star Wars films. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
NewlyRetired said:
to make Kylo look stronger for 9 I wonder if they will consider giving him the force lightning power of the Sith
Click to expand...
i'm glad his move with snoke was the sith "kill your boss" style rather than the "i'm a good guy now" style

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
30 years of learning how to put gobs of emotion and subtext into just his voice for his voice acting career, and knowing when to ham it up and when to play it cool, have helped him a ton. 
Click to expand...
he definitely sounded like he was in voice actor mode when delivering his lines. it worked.

 
Well, having slept on it, I decided that i liked it, but did not love it.

Part of that may simply be the romanticism of the first trilogy.  I saw those as a kid, so I am certain that skews my experience a bit.  But, part of the "joy" in the first trilogy was the simplicity of the story, and yet how much I cared about the characters.  Each movie was a straight-forward, good v. evil, story.  Good guys have some success, Bad guys have some success, Good Guys win and live to fight another day.  The characters were iconic stereo types - Underdog Hero, Princess in distress, Reluctant Hero.  The Bad Guy, at least to the younger me, was evil incarnate.  Even the supporting characters felt worthy of rooting for/against.

If I look at the current trilogy, I "care" what happens to Rey.  I don't care what happens to Finn, I am mildly annoyed with Poe's character.  So, I am already fighting an uphill battle to be invested into these characters.  In the Last Jedi, I felt more empathy towards Rose's character, than Finn's (but their whole story line was dumb).  As for the BGs, a few things stood out, I never thought of Snoke the same way I thought about the Emperor - never had that same fear factor.  And, Kylo Ren may be coming around as a good antagonist - the third film may cement his lore - but he has taken an odd path.  I thought he was at his "Dark-Force" best in the opening scene in The Force Awakens, but then kind of drifted though the rest of the story - not quite Vader-like, and at times, more whiney kid-like.  I like humor - but I did not like Poe's scene with General Hux.  Hux is a leading General of the First Order, I don't imagine he got there by being anyone's fool.  I'd rather believe he is a psychopath, than see the character act the fool.

As for this movie itself - the story was odd.  I suppose we are supposed to feel relatively good at the end of the movie, yet the good guys were obliterated - such that the entire band of the resistance is reduced to a handful of people on the Falcon.  They could have had a different ending where the SOS calls are heeded, and Ren and the First Order were forced to retreat with a valiant last stand at the mine.  I realize the kid at the end was supposed to signify that there are others in the resistance - just felt odd seeing the entire Rebel Army decimated.

The whole Finn/Rose trip to the casino was dumb.  Could have cut that entire sequence and found some hacker already in the resistance - particularly since the plan was doomed to fail.

Loved the hyperdrive through the cruiser - though as others have mentioned, if you wanted to add humor this was a spot for Admiral Ackbar.  Dern's character in general seemed relatively useless.

Probably should have killed of Leia at some point - I am assuming the "plan" was to kill off Han Solo, then Luke, and finally Leia - but with real life stepping in the way, it would have made sense to give her a send off here.  I had been expecting her to have one last scene with Kylo Ren, and maybe he completed his move to the dark side my killing her. :shrug:

BTW - did they explain how gravity-based bombers worked in space?  If they did, I missed that.  Seemed odd.

I like Rey's "training" more than Luke's training with Yoda.  And speaking of which, I assume Yoda brought a bong for him and Luke at the bonfire.

I liked the Rey-Kylo bonding scenes - and the throne room was a great sequence all the way around, from Kylo Ren killing Snoke, to Rey and Kylo teaming together to fight the guards, leading to the scene where he asked her to join him - you could feel her tension in even considering the offer.

I generally liked Luke's character arc - though I was not a fan of learning that he almost killed Kylo Ren - that seemed out of character for Luke, in general, who always seemed to find the good in people, and also for a character who was supposed to represent the light side of the force (I realize that everyone, in theory, has both light and dark, and Luke's genes certainly suggests an affinity towards the dark, but just seems an odd action to take against his nephew, even if he saw the darkness in Ben).

In the end, I was entertained for 2 1/2 hours, but not enamored.    

 
They spend time building up finding Luke then he doesn't teach Rey anything of significance? The time spent on the island was mostly pointless. The Jedi texts may have been interesting but of course they were promptly destroyed.

The only lightsaber duel was against guards with no force powers. Really? I've mostly enjoyed the new Star Wars films but there wasn't much I liked about this one.

 
sports_fan said:
They spend time building up finding Luke then he doesn't teach Rey anything of significance? The time spent on the island was mostly pointless. The Jedi texts may have been interesting but of course they were promptly destroyed.

The only lightsaber duel was against guards with no force powers. Really? I've mostly enjoyed the new Star Wars films but there wasn't much I liked about this one.
Click to expand...
I don’t think they were destroyed.  You see them on the Falcon at the end, so I think she swiped them on her way out. 

 
sports_fan said:
They spend time building up finding Luke then he doesn't teach Rey anything of significance? The time spent on the island was mostly pointless. The Jedi texts may have been interesting but of course they were promptly destroyed.

The only lightsaber duel was against guards with no force powers. Really? I've mostly enjoyed the new Star Wars films but there wasn't much I liked about this one.
Click to expand...
Rey has the texts 

 
Big SW fan and liked the movie...put it almost equal to TFA which I had behind Empire, Rogue 1 and ANH.  Kids loved it and definitely had a lot of great SW moments.  

I have the same big 2 complaints that seem to be consistent - flying lea (and not allowing her a more fitting on screen end - taking Laura Dern's demise would have been better) and the awful Fin/Rose story line....the movie clocked in too long and think it would have gone up a big notch in my book by making those 2 or 3 changes....they are so profoundly obvious faults that I honestly am dumbstruck on how they allowed them to be in there in the 1st place!  

 
bigmarc27 said:
I don’t think they were destroyed.  You see them on the Falcon at the end, so I think she swiped them on her way out. 
Click to expand...
yeah they were definitely not destroyed.  The camera clearly showed them in the drawer.  I think we are to assume Yoda knew this as well when he destroyed the tree.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
bigmarc27 said:
This was 30 minutes where the sole purpose was to bang on 1%ers. It was preachy, brought nothing to the movie, and bored the #### out of me. 
Click to expand...
Pretty much.  Instead of story-telling, the director had to waste our time with his views on war and try to blur the difference between good and evil, and place the real blame on the rich capitalists.  Come on, this is Star Wars, the creator of the phrase 'the Evil Empire'.  We want to see the underdog good guys defeat the evil villain.  

 
jon_mx said:
Pretty much.  Instead of story-telling, the director had to waste our time with his views on war and try to blur the difference between good and evil, and place the real blame on the rich capitalists.  Come on, this is Star Wars, the creator of the phrase 'the Evil Empire'.  We want to see the underdog good guys defeat the evil villain.  
Click to expand...
Good point.  That time could have been given towards snoke s origin or more Luke.  But no let's have Finn and some new character no ones cares about go to a casino and meet another lame character in del toro.

 
I also think it’s kinda funny that the rebels look like an Old Navy commercial and the Empire is a bunch of white dudes.  

 
Does anyone care about Finn anymore?  Or even Poe?  They turned them into fools instead of brave heros.   They were likable after 7, now they are throw away characters.   

 
jon_mx said:
Does anyone care about Finn anymore?  Or even Poe?  They turned them into fools instead of brave heros.   They were likable after 7, now they are throw away characters.   
Click to expand...
Finn and I guess Rey are my wife's favorite character(s). 

She thinks the original trilogy is camp and hasn't bothered with the prequels. They are making these movies for demos all across the board. 

 
jon_mx said:
Does anyone care about Finn anymore?  Or even Poe?  They turned them into fools instead of brave heros.   They were likable after 7, now they are throw away characters.   
Click to expand...
I have always found Poe annoying.  I want to like Finn but the things the directors and writers make him do are making it tough.

 
need2know said:
I have always found Poe annoying.  I want to like Finn but the things the directors and writers make him do are making it tough.
Click to expand...
The forced romance between he and rose is cringeworthy.  The part after she wrecks him from the canon and tells him she loves him after a couple of days is so not star wars.  Just forced

 
Capella said:
Right. There was no romance. She was infatuated with him (from the start), not vice-versa. 

I mean, they made that clear at the jump when she saw him. Did people even watch this movie? 
Click to expand...
Wondering the same thing you asked there.. missing Snoke being the reason Rey and Kylo were communicating.. books were NOT destroyed... the kid at the end using the force to move the broom( there were "gasps" in the theater I was in so no idea how people missed that)... I think some of you need to stop :banned: before going to the movies

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Some scattered thoughts as I process:

1. Could have done without that whole casino planet/Finn and Rose subplot. Felt very out of place, Benecio Del Toro felt out of place (despite doing a good job), etc. It was the only scene out of these 3 new Star Wars movies that actually gave me a bit of the dreaded "prequel trilogy" feel--exotic, over the top scenery and buffoonery just for the sake of it and no real necessary relevance to the main plot. Felt a little silly despite the interesting things they tried to say about the elites vs the common folk and the weapons dealers profitting off both the First Order and the Resistance. They basically just needed a B plot so Finn could be doing something. I get it, but Finns chemistry with both Rey and Po was a highlight of TFA, so separating him from both for the entire movie was a dumb decision imo.

2. I love what they've done to update the original trilogy technology. That's what felt most off about the prequels, the shiny perfect (now dated) CGI everything. The tech and battles, despite being futuristic space warfare, feel very tactile and analog, if that makes sense. Obviously they took a lot of cues from the original trilogy, but even the things they've changed are cool.

For example, the bombers from the beginning operating like B52's with manual release, free-falling payloads that drop straight down off sliding racks--no, it doesn't make perfect sense given the other advanced tech on display, but it gives the battle a very cool strategic feel. The green cannon fire from the star destroyers having a range and arc to them like futuristic cannonballs also doesn't make sense given how lasers work, but again it lends an old school naval battle feel to it that is cool. Its like WW2 tech updated to be futuristic and it's cooler than just endless different colored laser strafing runs until someone's shield gives out for story reasons. Same with fuel and shields all of a sudden being exhaustible resources--yes, necessary to the plot. But cool. If Battle Star Galactica tech/space warfare was morphed into the Star Wars universe it would feel like this imo, and that's an upgrade.

3. I guess Leia dies offscreen? Was shocked when she Forced out of the space debris and saved herself. Then was shocked when she came out of her coma. Then was shocked when she didn't stay behind to confront (and be killed by) her son at the end. They were (intentionally or not) playing off my expectations that they'd find a way to kill her off in-universe after her real life death, so it was surprising when it didn't happen. 

4. I'm trying to decide if Rey's lack of important parentage works for me or if it feels too cute, like they knew everyone expected her to be Kylo's sister or Luke's daughter or someone important's daughter and wanted a "gotcha!" moment. I'm leaning towards liking it. Star Wars has always been about the Skywalker lineage but it almost means more to the galaxy that a total nobody can become the symbol, the hero. 

On the other hand, her flashback in TFA did show a ship flying away when she was "left", and Kylo was trying to manipulate her. So a twist there is still technically possible, although I agree they just wanted to cut off that line of questioning and not make her story all about that. 

5. If I had to pick out one MAJOR disappointment I had with the movie (and while the casino planet wasn't great it doesn't qualify for this imo, it wasn't terrible) it was that nothing about Snoke was revealed. At all. And he probably doesn't matter now...which is fine, we all knew they were building Kylo Ren into the main villain. But not gaining any info about him (when he looks ancient and all ####ed up but has been around for less than 20-30 years in the main story timeline) just makes him a generic silly-named Big Bad placeholder until Kylo was ready. That's disappointing because there was a lot to explore there. Where did he come from? How did he get in control of the remnants of the Empire and found or co-opt the First Order? Why isn't he a Sith, what's the order of Ren and how did he get Ben Solo to turn, what's his connection to Palpatine or any of the original trilogy or even prequels? 

Some of this could be addressed later but I think a lot will go unanswered in favor of Kylo being the main focus now. Which makes sense but leaves Snoke as a kind of a dumb placeholder villain in these first two movies. 

6. Some of the humor felt forced compared to TFA. Could have really done without the Skywalker shoulder brush-off near the end, for instance. There were a couple awkward (chuckle-worthy but out of place) spots of humor like that. Felt more fun and organic in TFA.
Click to expand...
As to #1 - did you miss at the end the little kid with the rebel ring he got from Rose used the force to grab the broom? I think there could be a bit more significance to this place.

Billy Bats said:
SPOILERS INCOMING

Random thoughts. 

I can’t believe you guys think Kylo told Rey the truth about her parents. Junk dealer parents? As strong as she is in the force? I ain’t buying it.

A lot to process. Good movie, probably doesn’t crack my top 3. 

Agree with everyone that the Finn storyline was a waste, especially after they accomplished nothing. 

How did Rey get from Snoke’s throne room back onto the Falcon?

Really surprised they whacked Snoke so quick. Makes sense for the story but damn I wanted more of him. He’ll get his own comic book which I won’t read. 

They absolutely CANNOT kill Leia off screen. If they do that in the opening crawl that would be most the egregious writing in cinema history. 

A lot to take in still. Have to spend more time thinking about what I seen.
Click to expand...
Agreed, no way are her parents some junk dealers that died inconsequentially.

I need to see it again but I loved it, so many good to great things in this movie. The only part that was really bad IMO was Leia using the force to fly back on board the ship.

 
snogger said:
Wondering the same thing you asked there.. missing Snoke being the reason Rey and Kylo were communicating.. books were NOT destroyed... the kid at the end using the force to move the broom( there were "gasps" in the theater I was in so no idea how people missed that)... I think some of you need to stop :banned: before going to the movies
Click to expand...
My youngest and I both noticed that but my oldest and wife missed it.

 
Hawks64 said:
As to #1 - did you miss at the end the little kid with the rebel ring he got from Rose used the force to grab the broom? I think there could be a bit more significance to this place.
Click to expand...
You could be right, but I think it's more likely that was more symbolic. 

 
Kiddnets said:
Big SW fan and liked the movie...put it almost equal to TFA which I had behind Empire, Rogue 1 and ANH.  Kids loved it and definitely had a lot of great SW moments.  

I have the same big 2 complaints that seem to be consistent - flying lea (and not allowing her a more fitting on screen end - taking Laura Dern's demise would have been better) and the awful Fin/Rose story line....the movie clocked in too long and think it would have gone up a big notch in my book by making those 2 or 3 changes....they are so profoundly obvious faults that I honestly am dumbstruck on how they allowed them to be in there in the 1st place!  
Click to expand...
I mean the reason for the whole casino thing was to give Finn something to do. Without it, how much screen time does he get?

 
need2know said:
I was kinda hoping he would die destroying the Canon.  
Click to expand...
Would have been more interesting (despite the fact that he was basically riding a mo-ped while the 6 monster tanks stared at him very... Slowly.... Moving... Towards... The... Cannon). But no they ruined that moment for him. 

 
Insein said:
I was kind of wondering if they'd go full progressive and make Finn/Poe a thing. They seem to have more chemistry than FinnRey or FinnRose. First gay Star wars couple.
Click to expand...
Think they're going for more of a bromance there. Which is why it was even dumber that they split them up in favor of a new character for the entire movie. Poe is clearly a Resistance badass, but we know nothing about his story other than his piloting ability. They could have easily given him the motivations they gave Rose and had a much more compelling B plot regardless of its irrelevance. 

 
Taking my kids (6yo) this week to see it. This will be the first Star Wars they see in the theater. They haven't even sat through all of TFA yet but my son's fav character is Kylo and my daughter's is Rey. So I'm sure this will change my perspective.

 
Finn is kind of a dud for me but I really like Poe. Good mix of swagger and humor. I see him as filling the role Han did on the OT to an extent.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Capella
DC movie thread: nerds unite
Replies
16
Views
574
Hilts
Hilts
G
Manti Te'o's girlfriend who died...
40 41 42
Replies
2K
Views
82K
facook
facook

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Top