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Stars aligning for Packers, Patriots Super Bowl (1 Viewer)

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Madden Freak
It's all beginning to fall into place. The contenders are beginning to drop back. It is now becoming increasingly likely that there will be a Packers-Patriots Super Bowl.

Let's take the AFC first of all.

The Texans could have been a threat to the Pats but now they've lost not one, but two, QBs in Schaub and Leinart so although they may still scrap their way to the playoffs, they're not going to the big game.

The Chargers have enough firepower and a good enough QB to threaten the Pats but they keep losing and now it looks like they're nearly out of it.

The Chiefs were beginning to roll until they lost Cassel and they are now done.

The Jets and Bills are both talented enough in different ways to have threatened the Pats in the East but their weaknesses have been exposed in recent weeks.

It looks like the Patriots could be joined as division champions by a Texans team without a QB and either a flimsy Raiders team or a freakishly over-achieving Broncos team.

The only real competition the Pats will have in the playoffs will come from the North division, where the Ravens and Steelers should both make the playoffs and the Bengals have a shot too.

But even there, the Steelers are seriously beat-up and the Ravens are wildly inconsistent, so neither should be able to defeat New England. Cincinnati is a nice story but a rookie QB is not going to beat Brady in the playoffs.

Over in the NFC, the contenders keep falling by the wayside too.

Chicago could have caused some trouble but they're pretty much out of it with Cutler gone.

Detroit would be more dangerous if they had not lost their top RB.

San Francisco is likely to be the #2 seed but they have been exposed as a good D with an average at best QB and I don't see them beating Green Bay.

The Giants were looking pretty good but they lost Bradshaw and keep losing too so they are nearly out of it.

The main contenders for the Pack will be Dallas, Atlanta and New Orleans, but all those teams have been up and down this season and have some obvious weaknesses.

The Pack face tougher competition than the Patriots but they are unbeaten and a better team overall.

It would be a surprise if they don't meet in the Super Bowl, and I like Brady to pull out the surprise win as the underdog.

Full disclosure: I support neither New England nor Green Bay.

 
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The team that is the most relevant to the Packers chances of losing is New Orleans yet you give them one sentence, and the best analysis you could come up with is that they have "obvious weaknesses"?

 
Both the Ravens and Steelers would be favorites over New England.
Roethlisberger is throwing with a broken thumb and really struggled to beat a poor Chiefs team. They have had so many injuries, with Polamalu just the latest this year, that I don't see them going all the way.The Ravens have had some good performances but also some bafflingly poor ones, including some where they apparently forgot to give Rice the ball. There is plenty of disunity inside their camp with Flacco apparently upset and the top brass unhappy with OC Cameron. So I don't know that they would beat New England either, to be honest.
 
The team that is the most relevant to the Packers chances of losing is New Orleans yet you give them one sentence, and the best analysis you could come up with is that they have "obvious weaknesses"?
I only gave them one sentence because I'm not writing an essay here. I agree they are contenders.
 
Patriots are what they were last season, i.e., one-n-done in the playoffs.they won't get past the div round.

they have NO defense...they're only looking like a SB team because they are playing weak,very weak teams at this point..

Eagles made them look like world-beaters. Jets did too..

They couldn't deal with what the Steelers have: TOP speed at WR ..they can't stop the run...last time Baltimore went to NE for a playoff game they blew out them out..Patriots can't pass protect, the Chiefs were all over Brady last week..

top teams in the AFC:

Pitt

Baltimore

Houston

Oakland

Cincy

Jets have an outside shot at making the postseason, we know what happened last time they faced NE in the playoffs..

I doubt the SB has anything to do with NE.. more likely Baltimore v. GB, or a repeat of last season, Pitt v. GB..

from the NFC I'd give the Saints a shot at the SB, or Giants and of course SF..

I doubt NE could beat any SB contending team from the NFC..

 
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The team that is the most relevant to the Packers chances of losing is New Orleans yet you give them one sentence, and the best analysis you could come up with is that they have "obvious weaknesses"?
I only gave them one sentence because I'm not writing an essay here. I agree they are contenders.
You devote more words to the Chiefs than the Saints in your Super Bowl Contenders thread because you don't want to write an essay. Own it.
 
The team that is the most relevant to the Packers chances of losing is New Orleans yet you give them one sentence, and the best analysis you could come up with is that they have "obvious weaknesses"?
I think it is pretty clear that NO has the best chance of beating the Pack in the NFC. Assuming they make it to the NFC Championship Game in GB, that will be a pretty great game. Of course, I do think both could lose on the way their, but I just don't see it as likely.
 
As a Pats fan, I would love to see this. To get there, I think we have to be the #1 seed in the AFC. They have a much better chance at beating Baltimore or Pitt at home vs on the road.

 
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I'm beginning the think the Cowboys are coming together at the right time. And I can't stand the Cowboys. DeMarco Murray has changed the balance for them. Romo no longer has to go out and sling it into double coverage. They're a very balanced team and the defense is playing very well. This isn't the same team as they were back in September.

 
If the Ravens and Patriots both win out and finish 13-3, who gets the number 1 seed? They both would have two conference losses.

 
The team that is the most relevant to the Packers chances of losing is New Orleans yet you give them one sentence, and the best analysis you could come up with is that they have "obvious weaknesses"?
I only gave them one sentence because I'm not writing an essay here. I agree they are contenders.
You devote more words to the Chiefs than the Saints in your Super Bowl Contenders thread because you don't want to write an essay. Own it.
"Own it"?! Where do they get these guys?Anyway, I think the Saints are too inconsistent this year (you have to beat teams like the Rams) and I don't think their D is as intimidating or getting as many turnovers as their Super Bowl year.
 
I'm beginning the think the Cowboys are coming together at the right time. And I can't stand the Cowboys. DeMarco Murray has changed the balance for them. Romo no longer has to go out and sling it into double coverage. They're a very balanced team and the defense is playing very well. This isn't the same team as they were back in September.
I think they are. Their soft schedule down the stretch is gonna enable them to probably win the NFC East, but they just struggled to beat both the Redskins and the Dolphins, two teams which are in the bottom tier of the league right now. If they were playing tough teams right now, with the way they are playing right now, they wouldn't be winning. Dallas will win the NFC East, and maybe even win one playoff game depending on their first round opponent, but that's about it.
 
The Packers barely squeezed in last year and didn't look like contenders IMO.

Any of the Ravens, Steelers, Saints, and 49ers should give the Packers a hard game. When the Ravens are on, I don't think there's a better team in the NFL. There are inconsitent, but all it takes is a few well played games. The Lions or Cowboys could beat them if they play well.

The Ravens are my team this year, I see them coming together when Ray returns.

 
I'm beginning the think the Cowboys are coming together at the right time. And I can't stand the Cowboys. DeMarco Murray has changed the balance for them. Romo no longer has to go out and sling it into double coverage. They're a very balanced team and the defense is playing very well. This isn't the same team as they were back in September.
I think they are. Their soft schedule down the stretch is gonna enable them to probably win the NFC East, but they just struggled to beat both the Redskins and the Dolphins, two teams which are in the bottom tier of the league right now. If they were playing tough teams right now, with the way they are playing right now, they wouldn't be winning. Dallas will win the NFC East, and maybe even win one playoff game depending on their first round opponent, but that's about it.
Good point. Plus the fact that Romo (at least to this point) has been anything but "clutch" when the season is one the line.
 
The Patriots defense has looked a lot better of late than it really is because of their weak schedule...That said there has clearly been some growth on the defensive side of the ball. If the Pat's D can simply become mediocre their offense makes them a threat to make the Superbowl.

 
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Patriots are what they were last season, i.e., one-n-done in the playoffs.they won't get past the div round.they have NO defense...they're only looking like a SB team because they are playing weak,very weak teams at this point..Eagles made them look like world-beaters. Jets did too..They couldn't deal with what the Steelers have: TOP speed at WR ..they can't stop the run...last time Baltimore went to NE for a playoff game they blew out them out..Patriots can't pass protect, the Chiefs were all over Brady last week..top teams in the AFC:PittBaltimoreHoustonOaklandCincyJets have an outside shot at making the postseason, we know what happened last time they faced NE in the playoffs..I doubt the SB has anything to do with NE.. more likely Baltimore v. GB, or a repeat of last season, Pitt v. GB..from the NFC I'd give the Saints a shot at the SB, or Giants and of course SF..I doubt NE could beat any SB contending team from the NFC..
Houston, Oakland, and Cincy are better than the Pats? Wow someone has a grudge. That's awful.
 
I still think it's Baltimore from the AFC. I don't care about the surprising losses in the past if that win over SF is the shift into high gear that we usually see from one or two teams before a run at the Super Bowl.

On the other side, NO is good but I just don't see them winning a NFCC on the road unless the weather is unusually mild.

 
With these two pass defenses...

New England 74, Green Bay 72

Total of 3 safeties to give that lucky chump in the office pool the victory despite his crappy 2 and 4 numbers.

 
If the Ravens and Patriots both win out and finish 13-3, who gets the number 1 seed? They both would have two conference losses.
It would go to Baltimore, based on Common Games. Baltimore would be 5-0 in games vs. NYJ, Pitt (twice), Indy, and SD. New England would be 4-1, beating Indy, SD and NYJ (twice) but losing to Pittsburgh.New England has the #32 defense in the NFL. They were whipped by Pittsburgh and are just a few weeks removed from consecutive losses to the Steelers and Giants. I don't think they match up well vs. the Steelers or Ravens.
 
I always say a Belichick-coached team is the favorite. His 2001 super bowl team was completely disrespected as a fluke until they won it again two years later. The 1990 Giants team was considered overmatched but Belichick's defensive gameplan from that Super Bowl is in the hall of fame. The one hallmark of Belichick teams is the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. They say "well the defense is has problems blah blah blah". Yeah, they said that in 2001.I know they've been one-and-done in recent post-seasons. I still wouldn't bet against him.

New England has the #32 defense in the NFL.
No they don't. They do if you measure them by yards allowed, but that's not an accurate measure, especially when attempting to grade a Belichick defense. Belichick believes in bend-but-dont-break. Give up lots of yards between the 20s, but not many points. The Patriots defense is giving up 20.22 yards per point, which is actually excellent. Anything above 20 is super bowl caliber. So while they are 32nd in yards allowed, their defense is actually playing very well.
 
Patriots are what they were last season, i.e., one-n-done in the playoffs.they won't get past the div round.they have NO defense...they're only looking like a SB team because they are playing weak,very weak teams at this point..Eagles made them look like world-beaters. Jets did too..They couldn't deal with what the Steelers have: TOP speed at WR ..they can't stop the run...last time Baltimore went to NE for a playoff game they blew out them out..Patriots can't pass protect, the Chiefs were all over Brady last week..top teams in the AFC:PittBaltimoreHoustonOaklandCincyJets have an outside shot at making the postseason, we know what happened last time they faced NE in the playoffs..I doubt the SB has anything to do with NE.. more likely Baltimore v. GB, or a repeat of last season, Pitt v. GB..from the NFC I'd give the Saints a shot at the SB, or Giants and of course SF..I doubt NE could beat any SB contending team from the NFC..
Houston, Oakland, and Cincy are better than the Pats? Wow someone has a grudge. That's awful.
Hard to take anyone seriously who thinks Houston with TJ Yates is better than the Patriots.
 
The Packers barely squeezed in last year and didn't look like contenders IMO.

Any of the Ravens, Steelers, Saints, and 49ers should give the Packers a hard game. When the Ravens are on, I don't think there's a better team in the NFL. There are inconsitent, but all it takes is a few well played games. The Lions or Cowboys could beat them if they play well.

The Ravens are my team this year, I see them coming together when Ray returns.
Really? Rodgers was killing it down the stretch and the D was playing lights-out, the only reason they barely squeezed in was Rodgers' injury. I would say I'm biased but plently of folks in the sports media were saying they were the most dangerous team in the NFC field at the time.As for the Ravens, I agree they could distinguish themselves over the final five games. Flacco is a big concern though.

 
The Ravens defense is only at 17.66 yards allowed per point. They actually aren't as good as the Patriots. Sure, they give up less yards, but opposing teams maximize those yards much better against the Ravens than the Patriots.

I think the Patriots are #1 in the NFL in winning the battle of field position. They force the other team to complete long drives to get touchdowns. I'm trying to find the stats. I know they are top 5 at least.

 
The Patriots have a cakewalk schedule the rest of the way. If they get the #1 seed there's a good chance they could end up playing the Ravens and Steelers in the playoffs, beating those two teams back to back would be an impressive feat. Starting to get jazzed for the playoffs. :excited:

 
The Ravens defense is only at 17.66 yards allowed per point. They actually aren't as good as the Patriots. Sure, they give up less yards, but opposing teams maximize those yards much better against the Ravens than the Patriots. I think the Patriots are #1 in the NFL in winning the battle of field position. They force the other team to complete long drives to get touchdowns. I'm trying to find the stats. I know they are top 5 at least.
I'm not sure I buy into the significance of this yards per point stat. To me it's all about total points allowed, and it turns out the much-malined NE and GB defenses are actually #11 and #13, respectively.
 
Let's take a closer look at the Patriots' work against the Eagles last week. The Eagles offense got 11 drives in the game. What was their starting field position for each drive?

drive 1 phi 16

drive 2 phi 20

drive 3 phi 20

drive 4 phi 20

drive 5 phi 29

drive 6 phi 18

drive 7 phi 20

drive 8 phi 20

drive 9 phi 12

drive 10 phi 20

drive 11 phi 10

That's brutal. Out of 11 drives, only once did they get the ball further than their own 20, and that was only at the 29. Their average starting field position was the 18.6 yard line.

Here are the stats that tell us more about New England. These were compiled before last weekend's games.

The Patriots ranked 6th in the NFL in average starting field position against. They were 30th in yards allowed, but because they've been awesome at field position, its not as bad as it looks. On the flipside, the Patriots offense is only 21st in average starting field position, but their offense is LETHAL which makes up for it. They are 3rd in yards per drive, 3rd in points per drive, 2nd in TDs per drive.

 
The Ravens defense is only at 17.66 yards allowed per point. They actually aren't as good as the Patriots. Sure, they give up less yards, but opposing teams maximize those yards much better against the Ravens than the Patriots. I think the Patriots are #1 in the NFL in winning the battle of field position. They force the other team to complete long drives to get touchdowns. I'm trying to find the stats. I know they are top 5 at least.
I'm not sure I buy into the significance of this yards per point stat. To me it's all about total points allowed, and it turns out the much-malined NE and GB defenses are actually #11 and #13, respectively.
Yards per point is a quick and easy stat to compile. If you see a number over 20, it usually means the team has great red zone defense and/or gives the other team the ball with lousy starting field position.
 
The Ravens big flaw is that they are giving the other team the football on average on the 30 yard line. That's near the bottom of the league. It helps make their yards allowed look pretty though.

 
nice try at the jinx, but the pats have a few more regular season games to play, then let's just hope they can win a playoff game, let alone playing in the superbowl.

 
'FUBAR said:
The Packers barely squeezed in last year and didn't look like contenders IMO.

Any of the Ravens, Steelers, Saints, and 49ers should give the Packers a hard game. When the Ravens are on, I don't think there's a better team in the NFL. There are inconsitent, but all it takes is a few well played games. The Lions or Cowboys could beat them if they play well.

The Ravens are my team this year, I see them coming together when Ray returns.
really? They have beat everyone they have played, but don't look like contenders?Detroit could beat them? That worked well for Detroit on Thanksgiving. Really think they are going to do better in Green Bay?

Hell, any team "could" beat them. It is not a matter of could, its a matter of will

 
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'Ghost Rider said:
If the Ravens and Patriots both win out and finish 13-3, who gets the number 1 seed? They both would have two conference losses.
It would go to Baltimore, based on Common Games. Baltimore would be 5-0 in games vs. NYJ, Pitt (twice), Indy, and SD. New England would be 4-1, beating Indy, SD and NYJ (twice) but losing to Pittsburgh.New England has the #32 defense in the NFL. They were whipped by Pittsburgh and are just a few weeks removed from consecutive losses to the Steelers and Giants. I don't think they match up well vs. the Steelers or Ravens.
Cool. Thanks for the answer on the NE/Balt tiebreaker. :)But while NE might not match up well with the Steelers per se, there is no way I think that the Steelers will beat them again if they face off in the postseason. The Patriots under Belichick usually own the Steelers, and while the Steelers got them last month, if they play again in January, there is no doubt in my mind that the Patriots will beat them. No matter where the game is.
 
'FUBAR said:
The Packers barely squeezed in last year and didn't look like contenders IMO.

Any of the Ravens, Steelers, Saints, and 49ers should give the Packers a hard game. When the Ravens are on, I don't think there's a better team in the NFL. There are inconsitent, but all it takes is a few well played games. The Lions or Cowboys could beat them if they play well.

The Ravens are my team this year, I see them coming together when Ray returns.
really? They have beat everyone they have played, but don't look like contenders?Detroit could beat them? That worked well for Detroit on Thanksgiving. Really think they are going to do better in Green Bay?

Hell, any team "could" beat them. It is not a matter of could, its a matter of will
I'm referring to last year at this time. They had just lost to the Falcons and were 7-4. They had won 4 in a row with a couple impressive victories, but they didn't look like the best overall team in the NFL. Yes, the Lions can beat them if Stafford plays better. I'm not saying they will, but they have the talent to pull it off.

 
It's all beginning to fall into place. The contenders are beginning to drop back. It is now becoming increasingly likely that there will be a Packers-Patriots Super Bowl.Let's take the AFC first of all.The Texans could have been a threat to the Pats but now they've lost not one, but two, QBs in Schaub and Leinart so although they may still scrap their way to the playoffs, they're not going to the big game.The Chargers have enough firepower and a good enough QB to threaten the Pats but they keep losing and now it looks like they're nearly out of it.The Chiefs were beginning to roll until they lost Cassel and they are now done.The Jets and Bills are both talented enough in different ways to have threatened the Pats in the East but their weaknesses have been exposed in recent weeks.It looks like the Patriots could be joined as division champions by a Texans team without a QB and either a flimsy Raiders team or a freakishly over-achieving Broncos team.The only real competition the Pats will have in the playoffs will come from the North division, where the Ravens and Steelers should both make the playoffs and the Bengals have a shot too.But even there, the Steelers are seriously beat-up and the Ravens are wildly inconsistent, so neither should be able to defeat New England. Cincinnati is a nice story but a rookie QB is not going to beat Brady in the playoffs.Over in the NFC, the contenders keep falling by the wayside too.Chicago could have caused some trouble but they're pretty much out of it with Cutler gone.Detroit would be more dangerous if they had not lost their top RB.San Francisco is likely to be the #2 seed but they have been exposed as a good D with an average at best QB and I don't see them beating Green Bay.The Giants were looking pretty good but they lost Bradshaw and keep losing too so they are nearly out of it.The main contenders for the Pack will be Dallas, Atlanta and New Orleans, but all those teams have been up and down this season and have some obvious weaknesses.The Pack face tougher competition than the Patriots but they are unbeaten and a better team overall.It would be a surprise if they don't meet in the Super Bowl, and I like Brady to pull out the surprise win as the underdog.Full disclosure: I support neither New England nor Green Bay.
I could see GB losing in a competitive NFC. The Patriots are good enough to smoke many NFL teams but they could struggle with play-off caliber teams.I'd be surprised in they both make it - although it would be epic if GB were 18-0. Shades of Miami knocking off the 85 Bears.
 
Both the Ravens and Steelers would be favorites over New England.
I'll take NE at home and points in the playoffs every time.
haha you mean like against the Jets last year or the Ravens the year before?
Trying to remember the last time NE won a playoff game. :boxing:
Haha, no. Were they favorites? Vs. the Jets, NE was 8.5 pt. favorites. I would not have bet that.
 
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I find it hard too believe that two teams with defenses that bad will make it.

And let's not forget, the Saints went to dumpsville in week 1 and almost won that game. Yes, January will be different due to weather.

 

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