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I think this too. But Greenberg thought this morning that even knowing what we know, everyone would still pick Luck as the word seems to be that he's destined to be the greatest QB ever.I don't see it. I'll say that if Andrew Luck gives whoever drafts him 85% of what Cam Newton has thus far, that team should be THRILLED. J
I think that the difference with Newton is that he already reads the pass first and runs when the play breaks down. Most of those other players (Vick, Young, etc.) choose to run before going through their reads in the pocket, and over time the coaches try to teach them to go through their reads more; Newton is already doing that. There are very few plays where Cam simply takes off running, except for the called goal line plays.I know I'm biased, but his development (just from what I saw in college to today) is nothing short of amazing. I think we're seeing a case of a player who simply "gets it" immediately, which is quite rare.
Count me in for this line of thinking. I also seriously underestimated Newton, but the pendeliumm may have swung too far the other way now. There are flaws in his game to be exploited, and the next chapter of Newton joining the elite will be whether or not he can adjust and keep adjusting and adapting. I guess part of the halo of success is, I feel like he WILL make that adjustment. Luck, he should be good, but I'm not sure about his arm.
Came to post this.
And again.
Undoubtedly. A bird in the hand, as they say.
Just curious as to what those flaws are?The only thing I've seen is some poor decision making at the end of games. The way Cam was throwing the ball last week, you'd be hard pressed to find another NFL QB that could make the same throws. If the Panthers can find one WR2 that is as talented as the first guy off the bench on most other NFL teams Cam will take the next step forward.
The greatest thing about Luck is the perceived lack of downside. It seems he's practically a lock to be a solid starter and looks to be a good to great QB. I don't see Peyton Manning Jr. here, but it would be a shock to most of us if he doesn't have a decent career. Newton has the higher ceiling and we've seen that he will perform in the NFL. There's some risk that he won't continue to shine, but IMO there's probably less chance of him falling apart than of Luck busting. Give me Newton.
Wow. This is very poor posting. The Panthers are clearly a better team than they were a year ago, and that is cleary a result of Cam. Can he prove he can win a tight game? Oh my. The media is not coddling Cam. The media would love nothing more that to continue their pre-draft assualt on him and the Pathers for taking him. But when the guy is doing special things, they have to rethink things. And what does Cam Newton have in common with Vince young? Ingorant comparison. Take away Cam's ability to run and he is STILL one of the most impressive rookie QBs in some time.
That's where I heard it this morning. I thought it was an interesting question. What was really interesting though is that Greenberg was adamant (and Golic didn't seem to disagree) that the vast majority of people would still take Luck as an answer to the question.So I wanted to ask you guys.J
The Panthers losses have more to do with the Panthers injury riddled defense than Cam Newton. If they had a good defense, that team would be very good. The offense is ranked in the top five in the league, and that is without a good #2 WR, and an offensive line that lost Jeff Otah early, and has suffered other injuries.
How many wins did Peyton Manning get his rookie year? Just wondering, I can't recall.
We can agree to disagree. So you think a 2-6 record is indicative of a great QB? How bout as a leader? My comparison to VY is based on him being a dual threat QB, and lets face it. Who comes to mind as the last outstanding dual threat rookie QB if not VY? How is that ignorant? Is there anybody else you had in mind? Regardless of whether or not Cam was bashed fairly or unfaily in the media, and most of them have eaten crow, there's no way to project that success going forward. Lot's of QB's have trouble in their second year. Josh Freeman for example is starting his second full year as a starter (3rd overall) and is regressing. It happens all the time. Cam has an electic skillset, and I love his game. Carolina has their QB of the future. What have you to say about Andrew Luck? Traditional pocket passers with rocket arms line the halls of Canton Ohio's MVP trophies. That is pretty much the recipe and it has been for generations. It's what works. McNabb, Cunningham, Moon were all great dual threat QB's, but who ended up with the Super Bowl rings?
VY was terrible his rookie year, how is that even a valid comparison.
Are we talking redraft or dynasty? J/KObviously, I'm not talking about fantasy or stats here. I'm talking about if I have a favorite team, and I have my choice of who is going to lead it. Remember, I am a Super Bowl trophy starved fan here, I'm putting my chips on Andrew Luck.
Horrible you say? VY was offensive ROY.
Vince Young? Bradford did have a very good rookie season, and it also helped that he played in a weak division. We are 8 weeks into the season, and that is plenty of time for teams to "catch on" to Newton, and he is still doing great, and he is still learning as he goes along. All rookies have their growing pains. I think he has proven he can play in the NFL.
VY ran his way to ROY. Here are the stats:
Games Rating Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A Int TD Att Yds TDYoung 8 87.1 174 287 50.6 2393 8.3 9 11 63 319 7Newton 16 66.7 184 357 51.5 2199 6.2 13 12 83 552 7Oh. Okay. If that is your argument - Cam runs, running QBs don't win rings - just say so.But take away Cam's ability to run, and he is STILL the best rookie QB we have seen in some time. But, if it is a negative, in your eyes, that Cam does more than the traditional QB (while offering all of the same skills), then nothing I, or Cam, can say or do to change your mind.
There are a lot of people in Tennessee who never believed in Vince, myself being one of them.He was never, and will never be as good of a passer as Newton. Vince Young was more comparable to Tim Tebow, with a little better running skills.Young finished his rookie season with a 66.7 QB rating. He played in 15 games and finished with these stats:2199 yards 12 passing TDs7 rushing TDsCam is nearly even with those stats after just 8 games:2393 yards 11 passing TDs7 rushing TDs
In 2006, VY's record was 8-5 as a starter. Cam is currently 2-6. Wins and Losses are the only thing. The ONLY THING that matters.
I just did plainly say that running QB's don't win rings. So you can now quote me on this. Would I rather have Rodgers/Brady or Vick? I think the answer is plain as day. Now, I like that style. It's entertaining. It even wins a ton of games and gets teams to playoff runs sometimes. But the rings are won by the prototypical QB. If you have any data or analysis that refutes this, please offer it up. TIA.
You do realize that the "original" Peyton Manning only went 3-13 in his rookie season, right? So I guess Luck is better than him too?Newton is the only new skill player on the Carolina Panthers offense that was horrendous last season, and they are now near the top of the league in total offense. He isn't the reason Carolina is losing games.
He kinda has his head in the sand about that whole 3-13 rookie year thing.
Steve Young ended up with a Super Bowl ring, and he was a running QB, or does he not count because he is white? Newton has a skill set all his own, and he is very good, and he will only get better as he continues to learn.
Carolina would be 0-8 with Vince.They will win games when their defense improves.By your logic, Alex Smith is a better QB than Drew Brees because his team has more wins.
Except for rushing yards- a key stat for both players- where he has barely more than half of Young's rookie total. Also, they're also almost even in a few other categories you forgot to mention. There's INTs, where Newton trails by only 4 despite playing in, as you say, only 8 games so far. And sacks taken/yards lost to sacks, where Newton has also almost surpassed Young's 15 game total in 8 games. I agree with your point generally, Newton is having a clearly better year than Young's rookie year. But I hate when people cherry-pick statistics. It undercuts the legitimacy of their argument even if it's a good one.
Did you really mean to put Warren Moon in that list?
Sorry, I'm done with the wins/losses fishing trip. Have a nice day.
Cam is very clearly not a running QB; he is a QB who can run, like Steve Young, who has a ring. He is prototypical passing QB, who can do more. His ability to do more, is not a negative. He is not Vick or Young; watch him play and those comparisions will stop.
Just comparing last year (2010 was the only year Newton started Div I football) I really don't think that the stats agree with that statement...2010 PA PC Comp % PYds PTDs INT RA RYds RAvg RTDsNewton 280 185 66.10% 2,854 30 7 264 1,473 5.6 20Luck 372 263 70.70% 3,338 32 8 55 453 8.2 3
I think he meant something different when he said "dual threat" QBs.
John Elway also does not count because he is white, even though he ran for barely fewer yards per season as McNabb (both ran for at least twice as many as Moon).
