Starting a Team Today - Luck or Wilson (2 Viewers)

[ghostguy123]

I think many don't realize Seattle had the 9th best offense in the NFL this year. When you hear an argument about Wilson everyone just points to the defense being the reason they win. The Seahawks were a top 10 offense in the NFL this year. How many knew that?

Well, they sure do get the ball a lot because of that defense. It certainly helps.

 

[ghostguy123]

Looks like Luck beats up on garbage and loses to the big boys. Oh, but I'm sure this is due to the "terrible" team around him.

Well, yeah. He would have to be maybe the best QB ever to consistently beat good teams with his teammates.

But not even really sure why Luck's QB opponents matter that much. The Colts didn't exactly have the kind of defnese to be able to take full advantage of that.

An all time great D like Seattle will eat those losers up, which they did.

 

[CalBear]

Lot of qbs would know how to win with an all time great defense.

Wilson is really good, but just sayin.

Even looking at this year seattle hadnt played a playoff team in like the past 10 weeks. Cant say carolina really counts. And green bay had the game in a game wilson was terrible.

However some good fortune this year along with that incredible D has gotten them back in the super bowl.

A good qb looks one heck of a lot better playing with a historic D

Seattle had the fifth toughest schedule in the NFL based on the season records of their opponents this year but if you "looked" at their schedule and say it was easy then the facts probably don't matter.Seattle also played the cardinals in week 16. The cardinals made the playoffs if you weren't aware.

Keep up the good work.

The Cardinals were maybe the worst playoff team in the past decade given their injuries and QB situation.

So they didn't play a playoff team in the past 10 weeks, except the three weeks they played a playoff team. Right. That's like how CJ Anderson didn't perform well against any of the good defenses he played, except for the weeks he played against good defenses.

 

[ghostguy123]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

I keep forgetting this isn't a team game.

Luck throws a screen pass to Richardson who gets 1 yard while Wilson throws a screen pass to Lynch who gets a 30 yard TD. Same play, same pass, worse stats for Luck.

Also much easier to throw when the defense actually has to acknowledge you have a run game.

Keep the stats coming though. After all, they are the only thing that matters.

 

[ghostguy123]

So they didn't play a playoff team in the past 10 weeks, except the three weeks they played a playoff team. Right. That's like how CJ Anderson didn't perform well against any of the good defenses he played, except for the weeks he played against good defenses.

If the claim to fame here is they played the Cards twice and a Carolina team that won like 6 games, more power to ya

 

[CalBear]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

I keep forgetting this isn't a team game.

Luck throws a screen pass to Richardson who gets 1 yard while Wilson throws a screen pass to Lynch who gets a 30 yard TD. Same play, same pass, worse stats for Luck.

Also much easier to throw when the defense actually has to acknowledge you have a run game.

Keep the stats coming though. After all, they are the only thing that matters.

Luck pretty clearly has better receivers than Wilson. Marshawn had a total of 367 yards receiving this year; Ahmad Bradshaw had 300, Richardson and Herron combined for over 400. And Hilton/Wayne/Fleener against Baldwin/Kearse/L.Wilson is not even close.

If you want to look at something other than stats, Seattle also got further than Indianapolis.

I'm really struggling to see why so many people think Luck has shown (on the NFL football field) that he's better than Wilson. Other than assertions, what do you have?

 

[ghostguy123]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

I keep forgetting this isn't a team game.

Luck throws a screen pass to Richardson who gets 1 yard while Wilson throws a screen pass to Lynch who gets a 30 yard TD. Same play, same pass, worse stats for Luck.

Also much easier to throw when the defense actually has to acknowledge you have a run game.

Keep the stats coming though. After all, they are the only thing that matters.

Luck pretty clearly has better receivers than Wilson. Marshawn had a total of 367 yards receiving this year; Ahmad Bradshaw had 300, Richardson and Herron combined for over 400. And Hilton/Wayne/Fleener against Baldwin/Kearse/L.Wilson is not even close.

If you want to look at something other than stats, Seattle also got further than Indianapolis.

I'm really struggling to see why so many people think Luck has shown (on the NFL football field) that he's better than Wilson. Other than assertions, what do you have?

I am sorry to hear that you are struggling to see it. Not many others are.

 

[FUBAR]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

Seriously? Why would anyone bother with this?

Because it speaks to how they've actually performed on the field, as opposed to how they were expected to perform on the field coming out of college.

Does it?

In 2014, Ryan Fitzpatrick had a higher td%, passer rating, and y/a than Russell. Equal ay/a and completion % and lower sack % than Russell.

is Fitzpatrick a better passer than Wilson? Is he a better qb?

 

[ghostguy123]

Does it?

In 2014, Ryan Fitzpatrick had a higher td%, passer rating, and y/a than Russell. Equal ay/a and completion % and lower sack % than Russell.

is Fitzpatrick a better passer than Wilson? Is he a better qb?

If we look at it objectively, apparently he is.

 

[Niles Standish]

I think we can all agree on a few things.

Currently Wilson's team is a lot better around him than Luck's team. They're both pretty good. Sooner or later when Wilson doesn't have what might be the best D of all time backing him up we'll have a better idea of how just how good he is.

I expect you put Wilson on an average team he elevates them. Luck has already shown he can elevate an average team around him to a playoff team.

 

[Hooper31]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

Seriously? Why would anyone bother with this?

Because it speaks to how they've actually performed on the field, as opposed to how they were expected to perform on the field coming out of college.

It speaks to how the team has performed. There's not a GM in the league that would take Wilson over Luck. Not one. That's not a knock on Wilson. It's an affirmation that Luck is a once in a generation (or more) prospect.

 

[FUBAR]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

Seriously? Why would anyone bother with this?

Because it speaks to how they've actually performed on the field, as opposed to how they were expected to perform on the field coming out of college.

It speaks to how the team has performed. There's not a GM in the league that would take Wilson over Luck. Not one. That's not a knock on Wilson. It's an affirmation that Luck is a once in a generation (or more) prospect.

Luck is great, no doubt about it. But how many years does a generation span? How many once in a generation players can be in the NFL at once?

 

[Freelove]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

Seriously? Why would anyone bother with this?

Because it speaks to how they've actually performed on the field, as opposed to how they were expected to perform on the field coming out of college.

It speaks to how the team has performed. There's not a GM in the league that would take Wilson over Luck. Not one. That's not a knock on Wilson. It's an affirmation that Luck is a once in a generation (or more) prospect.

Luck is great, no doubt about it. But how many years does a generation span? How many once in a generation players can be in the NFL at once?

Of what sort? In talking about QB prospects, one. And Luck was, indeed, considered the best QB prospect since 1983, at least.

Once the draft is over, you have to wait a career to see how it turns out, alas. He's off to a strong start in justifying that hype though.

 

[ghostguy123]

114-16

closer than I thought it would be

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

Seriously? Why would anyone bother with this?

Because it speaks to how they've actually performed on the field, as opposed to how they were expected to perform on the field coming out of college.

Does it?

In 2014, Ryan Fitzpatrick had a higher td%, passer rating, and y/a than Russell. Equal ay/a and completion % and lower sack % than Russell.

is Fitzpatrick a better passer than Wilson? Is he a better qb?

I hope this post does not get over looked. Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story.

 

[Warrior]

I'm not a completely blind homer, so clearly my answer is Andrew Luck and it's not close.

Russell Wilson is still very good though.

 

[Warrior]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

Seriously? Why would anyone bother with this?

Because it speaks to how they've actually performed on the field, as opposed to how they were expected to perform on the field coming out of college.

Does it?

In 2014, Ryan Fitzpatrick had a higher td%, passer rating, and y/a than Russell. Equal ay/a and completion % and lower sack % than Russell.

is Fitzpatrick a better passer than Wilson? Is he a better qb?

Not to mention that RW's defense has played a huge part in those particular stats. The %'s look a lot better when you have MUCH better field position off turnovers and 3 and outs caused by your defense.

RW is pretty good, but Luck is on another level as far as talent and potential.

 

[Phenomena]

There's not a GM out there (including Seattle's) that wouldn't take Luck. Anyone homer enough to vote Wilson isn't thinking clearly.

I'm going to be interested in how Wilson does without Lynch next year. We'll see what he can do when teams aren't forced to stack 8+ guys in the box.

 

[biju]

There's not a GM out there (including Seattle's) that wouldn't take Luck. Anyone homer enough to vote Wilson isn't thinking clearly.

I'm going to be interested in how Wilson does without Lynch next year. We'll see what he can do when teams aren't forced to stack 8+ guys in the box.

Just so we're all operating on the same information, John Schneider has actually said he rated Russell Wilson higher than Luck so this is factually incorrect.

ETA: I got it wrong, he graded them the same. Link: http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/ESPN-airs-Waiting-For-Wilson-feature-prior-to-Week-14/8de54ce0-fa09-4d72-ae5c-dc1b03fc86dd

 

[ghostguy123]

There's not a GM out there (including Seattle's) that wouldn't take Luck. Anyone homer enough to vote Wilson isn't thinking clearly.

I'm going to be interested in how Wilson does without Lynch next year. We'll see what he can do when teams aren't forced to stack 8+ guys in the box.

Just so we're all operating on the same information, John Schneider has actually said he rated Russell Wilson higher than Luck so this is factually incorrect.

ETA: I got it wrong, he graded them the same. Link: http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/ESPN-airs-Waiting-For-Wilson-feature-prior-to-Week-14/8de54ce0-fa09-4d72-ae5c-dc1b03fc86dd

lol is all i can say

 

[ghostguy123]

My mom calls me the best son in the world also. Pretty sure she is just trying to be nice.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I don't really care one way or another how people vote because both are great QBs but I believe that their pedigree coming into the league has a lot to do with the perception.

If all things remained the same in the NFL since they've been drafted but instead Wilson was the one touted as the number one pick and great college QB and Luck was a third round pick with question marks around him then I think you'd see much different voting results.

 

[biju]

There's not a GM out there (including Seattle's) that wouldn't take Luck. Anyone homer enough to vote Wilson isn't thinking clearly.

I'm going to be interested in how Wilson does without Lynch next year. We'll see what he can do when teams aren't forced to stack 8+ guys in the box.

Just so we're all operating on the same information, John Schneider has actually said he rated Russell Wilson higher than Luck so this is factually incorrect.

ETA: I got it wrong, he graded them the same. Link: http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/ESPN-airs-Waiting-For-Wilson-feature-prior-to-Week-14/8de54ce0-fa09-4d72-ae5c-dc1b03fc86dd

lol is all i can say

I'm sorry it doesn't fit your strange agenda?

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't really care one way or another how people vote because both are great QBs but I believe that their pedigree coming into the league has a lot to do with the perception.

If all things remained the same in the NFL since they've been drafted but instead Wilson was the one touted as the number one pick and great college QB and Luck was a third round pick with question marks around him then I think you'd see much different voting results.

You might see different voting results, but not by much.

I sure wouldnt change my opinion

 

[ghostguy123]

lol is all i can say

I'm sorry it doesn't fit your strange agenda?

How many coaches in the league that have a good QB have year heard say that they prefer other QBs to the one they have???

It doesn't happen. Why on Earth would you think it would? Do we need to introduce you to "coach speak"??? I thought everyone knew about this. Huh. Learn something new every day.

 

[CalBear]

I sure wouldnt change my opinion

That much is obvious.

 

[ghostguy123]

I sure wouldnt change my opinion

That much is obvious.

well yeah. I dont decide how much I like a guy based on where he was drafted. Not three years later after watching them both play.

You see me sitting here saying 10 other guys are better than Tom Brady from that draft class?

 

[biju]

lol is all i can say

I'm sorry it doesn't fit your strange agenda?

How many coaches in the league that have a good QB have year heard say that they prefer other QBs to the one they have???

It doesn't happen. Why on Earth would you think it would? Do we need to introduce you to "coach speak"??? I thought everyone knew about this. Huh. Learn something new every day.

So now because I don't agree with your exceptionally subjective viewpoint and the projection of your beliefs onto actual football men, now you're down to putting me down? Ok, internet guy. Pretend you've "won" while I decide to not bother with you.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I also think it's weird that people crucify Manning because he didn't have much success in the playoffs after dragging bad teams in a bad division there every year, and that same scenario is somehow proof that luck is better than a guy who has a ring and is playing for another one along with better rate stats.

Peyton didn't win his first playoff game until his 6th season. Three years in, Luck has won three and made an AFCCG with teams that may have been even worse than Peyton's.

 

[ghostguy123]

lol is all i can say

I'm sorry it doesn't fit your strange agenda?

How many coaches in the league that have a good QB have year heard say that they prefer other QBs to the one they have???

It doesn't happen. Why on Earth would you think it would? Do we need to introduce you to "coach speak"??? I thought everyone knew about this. Huh. Learn something new every day.

So now because I don't agree with your exceptionally subjective viewpoint and the projection of your beliefs onto actual football men, now you're down to putting me down? Ok, internet guy. Pretend you've "won" while I decide to not bother with you.

Ur the only one who believes Carrol thinks that.

 

[Bucky86]

Biju-it's really okay if Russel Wilson isn't better than Andrew Luck. He's still really good and is the perfect QB for that team. He's so far led them to the Super Bowl twice.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm curious for those who are "Luck by a landslide" to try to ground this with hard data. I mean, the guy throws the ball a lot more so he's going to have more yardage. But outside of the attempts/yardage angle I don't see the efficiency metrics you think you'd see from someone miles better.

I'm more than willing to be wrong, but I'm going to need something more than your subjective (and likely biased) viewpoint.

Luck has won 11 games in three straight years with defenses that were 21, 9, and 19 in points allowed.

Wilson has had the #1 defense all three years.

And that means what? You're telling me because Wilson has the #1 defense you know if they switched positions there would be a markedly different number of games won? I'm going to let you all in on a surprise--the Seahawks would still be a running team with Luck and he'd have the same "####ty" numbers Wilson does, but probably more INTs, a lower completion percentage, and more sacks.

It's weird that you want to compare something like that without taking into account the playcalling...

That's true, and this has been covered several times in the thread. We don't know how Luck would do if he were asked to just manage the game alongside an elite RB and an elite defense. Likewise, we don't know how Wilson would do if he were asked to put a poor team on his back and win games almost single-handedly.

That said, I have an easier time saying Luck would probably win a Super Bowl on a team with an elite defense and running game than I would saying Wilson would probably put up MVP-like numbers and carry a bad team to three straight playoff games and an AFCG. Lots of mediocre quarterbacks have done the former (not saying Wilson is mediocre in any way, just that his merits so far have been accomplished by much lesser players) while very few, if any, have done the latter.

 

[biju]

I'm curious for those who are "Luck by a landslide" to try to ground this with hard data. I mean, the guy throws the ball a lot more so he's going to have more yardage. But outside of the attempts/yardage angle I don't see the efficiency metrics you think you'd see from someone miles better.

I'm more than willing to be wrong, but I'm going to need something more than your subjective (and likely biased) viewpoint.

Luck has won 11 games in three straight years with defenses that were 21, 9, and 19 in points allowed.

Wilson has had the #1 defense all three years.

And that means what? You're telling me because Wilson has the #1 defense you know if they switched positions there would be a markedly different number of games won? I'm going to let you all in on a surprise--the Seahawks would still be a running team with Luck and he'd have the same "####ty" numbers Wilson does, but probably more INTs, a lower completion percentage, and more sacks.

It's weird that you want to compare something like that without taking into account the playcalling...

That's true, and this has been covered several times in the thread. We don't know how Luck would do if he were asked to just manage the game alongside an elite RB and an elite defense. Likewise, we don't know how Wilson would do if he were asked to put a poor team on his back and win games almost single-handedly.

That said, I have an easier time saying Luck would probably win a Super Bowl on a team with an elite defense and running game than I would saying Wilson would probably put up MVP-like numbers and carry a bad team to three straight playoff games and an AFCG. Lots of mediocre quarterbacks have done the former (not saying Wilson is mediocre in any way, just that his merits so far have been accomplished by much lesser players) while very few, if any, have done the latter.

Just to make a final point: The 2011 Seahawks aren't too much different than the 2012 Seahawks, both in terms of defense and also RB.

Ok folks, continue on with your Andrew Luck masterbationfest.

 

[ghostguy123]

Carry on looking at box scores.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

These guys essentially played the exact same game in regulation of the conference championships (except that Wilson threw twice as many INTs). For one team, that performance meant that they went into overtime. For the other team, a virtually identical performance (with fewer picks) meant that they lost by THIRTY EIGHT points.

I think that gives a pretty good indication of where each of these teams are without their QB play.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm curious for those who are "Luck by a landslide" to try to ground this with hard data. I mean, the guy throws the ball a lot more so he's going to have more yardage. But outside of the attempts/yardage angle I don't see the efficiency metrics you think you'd see from someone miles better.

I'm more than willing to be wrong, but I'm going to need something more than your subjective (and likely biased) viewpoint.

Then u probably shouldnt talk about sports

Yeah, I assumed some sort of retort in that fashion. Funny, I tend to think if you want to have a debate on this subject you probably need to have an objective viewpoint. Sounds like you don't have the capacity for it.

you want "hard data" regarding who is better at a sport. Hard data would only work if they each took a turn with the same team, using a time machine so the other could go back and get the same exact chance.

I am objective as they come. I have no dog in this fight. I go by what I see. I see a superior QB in Luck over Wilson. So does basically everyone else.

I don't care who has more yards, i care who is better. Thats the point of the thread.

So you are saying if the NFL had to start over, the team with the #1 pick should take WIlson, right?

Something tells me you don't understand the meaning of "objective".

 

[Dr. Octopus]

lol is all i can say

I'm sorry it doesn't fit your strange agenda?

How many coaches in the league that have a good QB have year heard say that they prefer other QBs to the one they have???

It doesn't happen. Why on Earth would you think it would? Do we need to introduce you to "coach speak"??? I thought everyone knew about this. Huh. Learn something new every day.

So now because I don't agree with your exceptionally subjective viewpoint and the projection of your beliefs onto actual football men, now you're down to putting me down? Ok, internet guy. Pretend you've "won" while I decide to not bother with you.

Ur the only one who believes Carrol thinks that.

He said the GM, Schneider, had them even on his draft board (per the linked article).

 

[Pwingles]

Fantasy, luck not remotely close

Real life, personally i take luck but it really would depend on how youre building your team seeing as they have sach been very sucessful but in totally different situations

 

[proninja]

If the entire league was redrafted today, these two along with Rodgers are the top 3, yes?

 

[mr roboto]

If the entire league was redrafted today, these two along with Rodgers are the top 3, yes?

Probably. Maybe Watt.

 

[Freelove]

If the entire league was redrafted today, these two along with Rodgers are the top 3, yes?

Never change, 12.

 

[Freelove]

But no, if the entire league were redrafted, Wilson wouldn't be among the first three Seahawks drafted, much less players.

 

[FUBAR]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

Seriously? Why would anyone bother with this?

Because it speaks to how they've actually performed on the field, as opposed to how they were expected to perform on the field coming out of college.

It speaks to how the team has performed. There's not a GM in the league that would take Wilson over Luck. Not one. That's not a knock on Wilson. It's an affirmation that Luck is a once in a generation (or more) prospect.

Luck is great, no doubt about it. But how many years does a generation span? How many once in a generation players can be in the NFL at once?

Of what sort? In talking about QB prospects, one. And Luck was, indeed, considered the best QB prospect since 1983, at least.

Once the draft is over, you have to wait a career to see how it turns out, alas. He's off to a strong start in justifying that hype though.

okay. somehow I'm falsely remembering Peyton as having graded out higher.

 

[FUBAR]

But no, if the entire league were redrafted, Wilson wouldn't be among the first three Seahawks drafted, much less players.

FWIW: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=678422&page=3

I was not expecting to go this way, but while I debated the options, I decided he's worth the pick and the moderate risk.

What do I want from my franchise player?

Leadership

The ability to take over a game when needed

Good teammate (sort of goes with #1, but there's more to it)

Youth is a factor but not definitive

In the end, I'm taking a young kid who has seen the playoffs, is a proven leader, and while he didn't have the draft stock coming out that many others have, the kid has it all.

1.04 The Titans take Russell Wilson, QB

and yes, that was 2013. At the time behind Luck, Rodgers and RG3.

 

[MattFancy]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

I can do something similar with RG3:

YPA: 7.6

AY/A: 7.4

Rating: 90.6

Rushing YPA: 6.1

TD%: 3.8

INT: 2.2

I'm an RG3 fan, but I don't think anyone on here would take RG3 over either of these 2.

 

[proninja]

We can all agree that because of their respective situation we'd expect luck to have better aggregate stats and Wilson to have better efficiency stats, yes?

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

I can do something similar with RG3:

YPA: 7.6

AY/A: 7.4

Rating: 90.6

Rushing YPA: 6.1

TD%: 3.8

INT: 2.2

I'm an RG3 fan, but I don't think anyone on here would take RG3 over either of these 2.

I think you could have found a better example. All those stats are worse than Wilson's. But better than Luck's.

It actually does bring up the fact that Luck does have some mediocre stats though.

 

[MattFancy]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

I can do something similar with RG3:

YPA: 7.6

AY/A: 7.4

Rating: 90.6

Rushing YPA: 6.1

TD%: 3.8

INT: 2.2

I'm an RG3 fan, but I don't think anyone on here would take RG3 over either of these 2.

I think you could have found a better example. All those stats are worse than Wilson's. But better than Luck's.

It actually does bring up the fact that Luck does have some mediocre stats though.

I wasn't trying to say RG3 is better than either of them, just that he has comparable numbers. I'm pretty sure there aren't many on here that would take him over Luck or Wilson.

 

[proninja]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

I can do something similar with RG3:

YPA: 7.6

AY/A: 7.4

Rating: 90.6

Rushing YPA: 6.1

TD%: 3.8

INT: 2.2

I'm an RG3 fan, but I don't think anyone on here would take RG3 over either of these 2.

I think you could have found a better example. All those stats are worse than Wilson's. But better than Luck's.

It actually does bring up the fact that Luck does have some mediocre stats though.

It's funny, because I don't disagree with the sentiment that Luck is better. But it's hard to make an argument for it based on their play so far because their situations are so drastically different.

 

[CalBear]

Man, the mythology is amazing.

YPA: Wilson 7.9, Luck 7.1

AY/A: Wilson 8.2, Luck 7.0

Passer rating: Wilson 98.6, Luck 86.6

Rushing YPA: Wilson 6.1, Luck 4.8

TD%: Wilson 5.8%, Luck 4.7%

INT%: Wilson 1.5%, Luck 2.5%

Wilson has performed better in virtually every passing stat than Luck, not even including the playoff differential.

I can do something similar with RG3:

YPA: 7.6

AY/A: 7.4

Rating: 90.6

Rushing YPA: 6.1

TD%: 3.8

INT: 2.2

I'm an RG3 fan, but I don't think anyone on here would take RG3 over either of these 2.

That's "similar" except that it's below Wilson in every stat. If RGIII had progressed rather than regressed from his rookie season, which was better than all the above numbers, everyone would take him over both Wilson and Luck. But, he's not played will since his injury.