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Kubiak keeps talking about this guy. It seems to me he's going to get his shot. From today:
Texans coach Gary Kubiak said rookie RB Arian Foster has "the ability to play in this league for a long time if he handles his business the right way."
The Texans will use all three of their running backs Sunday, but Kubiak has been hinting all week that Foster will get the most work. Foster touched the ball 17 times last week and if he runs well out of the gate, that number could rise against the Rams Sunday. He's a strong flex option this week.
Texans coach Gary Kubiak said rookie RB Arian Foster has "the ability to play in this league for a long time if he handles his business the right way."
The Texans will use all three of their running backs Sunday, but Kubiak has been hinting all week that Foster will get the most work. Foster touched the ball 17 times last week and if he runs well out of the gate, that number could rise against the Rams Sunday. He's a strong flex option this week.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
I've read a lot about Foster in numerous threads here, and one thing that comes up quite frequently, is Foster's "average" speed. I know an RB can't be slow and succeed, but of all the factors needed for an RB to succeed, how many quality RB's would you consider had accomplished careers with average speed?
Not at all trying to call Foster the next Emmitt Smith, so don't kill me for the comparison, but you could say Emmitt had average speed, right? Rudi Johnson also comes to mind, if memory servers me correctly. Are these fair speed comparison when thinking average but successful? Who else would fall into this category?
ETA, sorry for the semi hijack, I probably should have posted this in one of the other Foster threads. FWIW, I benched Addai so I could fit Foster in my lineup.
Not at all trying to call Foster the next Emmitt Smith, so don't kill me for the comparison, but you could say Emmitt had average speed, right? Rudi Johnson also comes to mind, if memory servers me correctly. Are these fair speed comparison when thinking average but successful? Who else would fall into this category?
ETA, sorry for the semi hijack, I probably should have posted this in one of the other Foster threads. FWIW, I benched Addai so I could fit Foster in my lineup.
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OK, so I was waiting for more data to come out on the Houston vs Seattle game. Thanks for all the compliments everyone. I wouldn't have posted this here but since some people seem to like my post and don't think it's worthless research so I took a couple extra hours off to make this one. There's so much more I want to look at than what's covered on this post but I just don't have enough time to look through all the games of people vs St. Louis and previous Texans games. Plus, I have no tapes of any of these so I'm missing the qualitative data I want in order to put a complete picture together. Luckily, I asked my friend who has the sunday ticket to tape the game for me so I could see how my predictions played out. Now, onto the analysis...Let's look at the breakdown between running plays and passing plays in this game. *Note* I excluded Schaub's -2 rushing yards and Johnson's 3 yards.Ditka is God said:What's taking so long?!?!?!?!? Seriously, great stuff you compiled - much obliged!tigerz said:
Texans
Passed the ball 39 times (66%)
Ran the ball 26 times (33%)
Schaub passed 11 times since the start of the second half and managed 29 passing yards on 5 completions. The Texans ran the ball 15 times during this time span. Furthermore, it wasn't until the fourth quarter that they started to really focus on running the ball. 12 runs in the fourth quarter and 3 pass attempts. What does this mean and why didn't Foster have more than 13 carries in a game where they took a massive 24 point lead early and had a 17+ point lead all game?
Well, here's what I think. One, Kubiak really doesn't trust his running game at all. He might have trusted them earlier in the year with Slaton against the Raiders but whatever he thought then does not apply now. Second, Matt Hasselbeck is not Jamarcus Russell. He wants to eat up the clock and sustain as many drives as he can in order to keep Hasselbeck off the field. Third, Seattle is ranked 16th with 4.2 yards allowed per carry but is one of the worst teams when it comes to pass defense. Looking at all that and judging on the performance of Schaub vs the performance of the RBs who averaged 2.45 yds per carry in the first half, it was reasonable to choose to continue throwing it.
Now what does this mean for the St. Louis game? If the Texans gain a huge lead on St. Louis early, could they still end up throwing the ball more than running the ball most of the game?
Well, let's be honest, it is a possibility. If Kubiak doesn't trust his RBs to a great extent, he could just throw the ball for three quarters, taking what the defense gives him to move the ball, and wait for the fourth quarter to start running the ball again since even if they go three and out it's too late for a comeback. If that were the case, numbers for RBs would be similar to what we saw versus Seattle rather than what we saw in Oakland. You wouldn't have multiple RBs with 15+ carries but you should have 1 RB in that range and most likely it should be Foster who gets the garbage time like I've noted earlier. He could definitely average under 3 yards a carry during garbage time again though so that's why I keep repeating that I don't see a lot of carries against St. Louis as guarenteed money. This team is horrible at running the ball and needs a lot of carries to gain decent fantasy points on the ground.
Despite the possibility of the team continuing to pass the ball, I think there are several positive indications that it will not go this way against St. Louis. First, Keith Null could very well be Jamarcus Russell. In the last game he did throw five interceptions so Kubiak should be able to trust his defense enough to not worry about keeping Null off the field. Also, their star has the flu and is a GTD. It is an obvious boost to the Texans D and at first I thought it should also have a noticeable effect on the running game. I'd like to say turnovers = more scoring opportunities, more time of possession, and more plays for the Texans offense but I don't have any evidence from the St. Louis vs Tennessee game to corroborate this. To be quite frank, I'm not sure what kind of effect this would have on the running game so I'm just abandoning this idea. Regardless, another positive indication was the St. Louis run defense itself and how they aren't in the same league as the Seattle run defense so it might affect Kubiak's game plan enough to keep the playcalling more balanced.
What I really wanted to know from the Houston vs Seattle game, however, was how the playing time was distributed amongst the RBs and how they were used so I could get an idea of how the committee would work for the St. Louis game. For this, I have to thank our favorite site. If you took a look at the distribution, you'd notice the following:
Total Plays
17 (25%) Ryan Moats
21 (30%) Chris Brown
30 (43%) Arian Foster
It doesn't add up to 100% because 2% of the time there were no RBs on the field. Now these numbers make sense when you look at the carries/receptions, but I think they tell us more than just the carries and receptions themselves.
Rushing Stats
Ryan Moats - 10 rushes, 43 yds, 1 TD
Chris Brown - 3 rushes, 7 yds
Arian Foster - 13 rushes, 34 yds
Receiving Stats
Ryan Moats - 1 tar, 1 rec, 3 yds
Chris Brown - 0 tar, 0 rec, 0 yds
Arian Foster - 4 tar, 4 rec, 54 yds
Ryan Moats had the best fantasy numbers this game and if you look at the fantasy stats themselves, it looked like he was an important part of the game before he fumbled and was taken out. However, I don't believe this is the case. Moats is an incomplete RB and the Texans continue to view him as such. He's a one dimensional player and so is Chris Brown. However, Brown is the more important football player and here's why:
Passing Plays
Ryan Moats - 7 total, 1 block
Chris Brown - 16 total, 4 blocks
Running Plays
Ryan Moats - 10 total
Chris Brown - 5 total, 1 run blocks
Arian Foster - 15 total, 2 run blocks
Brown made some great blocks this game. Two of which were highlights on NFL.com:
3-5-HOU 49 (6:48) (Shotgun) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 89-D.Anderson to SEA 24 for 27 yards (26-J.Wilson) [59-A.Curry].
1-10-SEA 17 (12:58) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 80-A.Johnson for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
He's not losing his role any time soon even if Foster has decent pass blocking skills. Foster had 0 blocks that game and Moats had 1. Brown will always see a lot of snaps during competitive games or where they are behind and have to throw. I like to think that Brown = Hightower while Moats = Wells, except they are both really crappy. In the game against the Jaguars in week 13, Brown was in for 35 passing plays and blocked 16 times. He has a role, it's clearly defined, and he does it well. Based on his role, it's easy to see why they praised him so highly. People thought he would be used extensively because Kubiak talked him up but what they didn't look at is why. He's a good pass blocker and that means a lot in the NFL in a pass happy team like Houston. If you look at it from that standpoint then it makes sense. Don't look at him as a threat to Foster's carries because clearly that's not how he is and will continue to be used. Starting the game means very little in this offense.
Moats ran well this game averaging 4.3 yds a carry and was the only RB to receive carries inside the 10 but other than his running ability, what more utility does this guy have? Chris Brown is better at pass blocking and Arian Foster seems to have passed him up as a receiving back. Sure, Moats should have gotten the carries during garbage time because of how well he was doing earlier but if all the guy can do is run then should you really leave him in the game if he fumbles the ball? That was his only job; it's understandable that he would be benched when you have alternatives that have more utility. Keep in mind, I'm not saying Kubiak was right but I'm just trying to make sense of why he felt he could remove him from the game. In the game against the Jaguars, he was in for half as many plays as Brown, 7 passing plays with 0 blocks, and his fantasy value derived from his 12 carries alone. Also did they ever talk this guy up really? They said he did good in the Bills game but they really didn't want to say anything about how he would be used the game after. Sure, they used him a lot that first game but I don't think they were ever really sold on him so they took him out before they ever said he was the guy.
Now let's bring this all back into focus. What does this all mean for Foster? What is his likely role in this offense going forward? Do Kubiak's words hold any value? I don't know about the last one but if we look at this logically and try to find any ounce of rationality in how the Houston's running game works we can see a small pattern.
1) Chris Brown = Good pass blocking back, poor goalline back (3/13 inside 10), poor runner in general, little receiving ability, doesn't fumble as much as other Houston backs
2) Ryan Moats = Poor pass blocking back (lacks the build), decent goalline back (3/9 inside 10), average to below average runner but better than Brown (4.04 vs 3.46), and isn't a good receiving back
3) Arian Foster = Pass blocking skills unknown but has good build, goalline skills unknown but has good build, poor runner if using last game as sole basis, good receiving ability, possibly a fumbler if looking at college history.
There's a lot of unknowns when it comes to Foster. The only way to make those unknowns go away is to play him. However, it is reasonable to see Kubiak praise him. Why? Well, because he adds a dimension to this game that they've been missing since Slaton and OD went out. Someone to catch the short throws while Andre Johnson draws coverage. He has utility unlike Moats and he has more potential given his build. Of course they will talk him up considering they also talked Chris Brown up. Does this mean Foster is way better than Moats and Brown? Heck no. If anything, it just means that they will continue to use him like that used him in the game against the Seahawks and perhaps give him a few more touches but not replace anyone completely. However, if you look at how he was used, you have to like it.
Passing Game
15 total, 0 blocks
4 tar, 4 rec, 54 yds
Running Game
15 total, 2 run blocks
13 rushes, 34 yds
2 red zone carries for 0 yards
He isn't a one dimensional player and when it comes to his involvement in the passing game, he's not just a pass blocker like Chris Brown. In fact, he probably won't be in much plays where they need protection and instead will be in a lot more plays where he's running routes. He's also a decent part of the running game. Before the forth quarter when Moats fumbled and before the return for the TD that gave them an insurmountable lead, Foster received 4 carries to Moats 8 carries while Brown only received 2. That's not bad for your first NFL game. It's not like they were just going to hand him the keys right away.
All this being said, this guy was a part of the offense even before the fourth quarter garbage time carries and you can see how they plan to use him going forward provided they don't yank him out right away. It seems as if Moats could easily be the kind of player who can be phased out if Foster gave them any reason to do so and I think after the last Moats fumble, they are praying Foster gives it to them. If Foster's receiving ability is for real, I don't see him being phased out of the gameplan in the last few weeks. Even if he is a terrible runner, he brings something to the table. Keep in mind, all of my analysis so far ignored hard to measure variables like "the value of Kubiak's praise" or any inherent talent Foster has that he hasn't shown. He could have talent but I never considered that as I have no way to judge that and I don't buy into hype as much as I think about how things might logically play out. In fact, I've been looking for every reason not to play this guy since I started looking up the data. You're still taking a considerable leap of faith here but I'm basing that leap based on my own personal logic rather than the words of a coach so I know I will be able to live with myself come Monday morning.
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Lash
Footballguy
i realize this thread is about short term
but to add a dynasty opinion to this thread from someone who saw EVERY foster college game:
he will not ever be a feature back unless he drastically improves ball control ... he was a fumbling machine (and even greater fumble % inside his own and his opponent's 10-yard lines)
that fact above and his game-speed isn't even average (SEC D-lineman chasing him down memories in my head) probably dull his longterm outlook
he was a good blocker and ironically, for a fumbler, he had great pass catching skills
but to add a dynasty opinion to this thread from someone who saw EVERY foster college game:
he will not ever be a feature back unless he drastically improves ball control ... he was a fumbling machine (and even greater fumble % inside his own and his opponent's 10-yard lines)
that fact above and his game-speed isn't even average (SEC D-lineman chasing him down memories in my head) probably dull his longterm outlook
he was a good blocker and ironically, for a fumbler, he had great pass catching skills
Ditka is God
Footballguy
Thanks, guys, for the great analysis and insight. Foster has me intrigued, but I've decided to sit him this weekend unless Fitz' GTD goes the wrong way on me. That said, I hope he has a solid game and gives me an additional option for Week 16 if I'm still alive. Much obliged to everyone who contributed in this thread, particularly Tigerz. 
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Good stuff tigerz.
The way you broke down Foster/Moats/Brown is valuable. Had me thinking it would be worthwhile to look at each game and see how the touches were carved up. In looking at the data back to week 8, the game that Slaton fumbled away the job to Moats, here are my takeaways:
* As tigerz says, C. Brown has a role. If you look at each of his games there is a consistency there in terms of touches. We're talking anywhere from 5-10 carries and maybe a couple of receptions. That said, nothing that amounts to starters touches. Kubiak has been consistent with Brown's use. So, we can expect that C. Brown will get his usual share of touches today. I'd expect say, 7 carries, 25 yards, 2 receptions 11 yards.
* There's something about Moats that Kubiak must not like. Here's a guy who put up 23-126-3 against Buffalo after Slaton fumbled. Great performance right? You'd think Kubiak would let him roll the next week against Indy right? Not really. Moats goes for 16-38 on the ground and 3-15-1 through the air (still a decent fantasy game), but fumbles and Slaton enters the picture and punches a TD in the endzone. Two weeks later after the bye, Moats gets ZERO carries and it's back to Slaton/Brown. Kubiak doesn't think Moats is part of their running back solution clearly.
Kubiak is clearly looking for something that Moats doesn't provide in the running game. It tells me that Foster is going to get his chance. What does that mean? If I were to forecast rushing touches, I'd look at it this way assuming 25 rushing attempts:
* C. Brown: 6 attempts -- his usual workload
* R. Moats: 5 attempts -- gives Foster a break; Maybe inserted every third or fourth series to throw him a bone.
* A. Foster: 14 attempts -- For the most part, replaces Slaton, but it's unrealistic for him to take on the full workload understanding his knowledge of offense
Now, 14 attempts isn't a lot, but a couple things to consider:
1. STL Matchup -- STL stinks clearly. Grade A matchup. If Houston gets up big, those attempts increase into the neighborhood of 18-20.
2. Receiving Beneifts -- Foster was clearly the go to RB in the passing game. In limited time, he had 5 receptions. Let's give him a modest four receptions here.
3. Schaub and Passing TDs -- If you look at the RB data, Schaub likes to throw TDs to his RBs. There's a distinct possibility Foster could benefit here.
Bottom Line:
* Foster's Floor: To me this speaks to a floor of 14 carries-50-60 yards, 3 receptions, 21 yards = 10 pts in PPR.
* Foster's Ceiling: 20 carries, 80-100 yards; 5 receptions, 40 yards, with the POTENTIAL for 1-2 TDs either on the ground or through the air = 23+ fantasy points in PPR.
For me, I don't see this upside in a Q. Ganther.
I think Foster get's his chance. I'm rolling the dice with him and basically praying that he doesn't fumble. If he doesn't, I think Foster owners benefit.
The way you broke down Foster/Moats/Brown is valuable. Had me thinking it would be worthwhile to look at each game and see how the touches were carved up. In looking at the data back to week 8, the game that Slaton fumbled away the job to Moats, here are my takeaways:
* As tigerz says, C. Brown has a role. If you look at each of his games there is a consistency there in terms of touches. We're talking anywhere from 5-10 carries and maybe a couple of receptions. That said, nothing that amounts to starters touches. Kubiak has been consistent with Brown's use. So, we can expect that C. Brown will get his usual share of touches today. I'd expect say, 7 carries, 25 yards, 2 receptions 11 yards.
* There's something about Moats that Kubiak must not like. Here's a guy who put up 23-126-3 against Buffalo after Slaton fumbled. Great performance right? You'd think Kubiak would let him roll the next week against Indy right? Not really. Moats goes for 16-38 on the ground and 3-15-1 through the air (still a decent fantasy game), but fumbles and Slaton enters the picture and punches a TD in the endzone. Two weeks later after the bye, Moats gets ZERO carries and it's back to Slaton/Brown. Kubiak doesn't think Moats is part of their running back solution clearly.
Kubiak is clearly looking for something that Moats doesn't provide in the running game. It tells me that Foster is going to get his chance. What does that mean? If I were to forecast rushing touches, I'd look at it this way assuming 25 rushing attempts:
* C. Brown: 6 attempts -- his usual workload
* R. Moats: 5 attempts -- gives Foster a break; Maybe inserted every third or fourth series to throw him a bone.
* A. Foster: 14 attempts -- For the most part, replaces Slaton, but it's unrealistic for him to take on the full workload understanding his knowledge of offense
Now, 14 attempts isn't a lot, but a couple things to consider:
1. STL Matchup -- STL stinks clearly. Grade A matchup. If Houston gets up big, those attempts increase into the neighborhood of 18-20.
2. Receiving Beneifts -- Foster was clearly the go to RB in the passing game. In limited time, he had 5 receptions. Let's give him a modest four receptions here.
3. Schaub and Passing TDs -- If you look at the RB data, Schaub likes to throw TDs to his RBs. There's a distinct possibility Foster could benefit here.
Bottom Line:
* Foster's Floor: To me this speaks to a floor of 14 carries-50-60 yards, 3 receptions, 21 yards = 10 pts in PPR.
* Foster's Ceiling: 20 carries, 80-100 yards; 5 receptions, 40 yards, with the POTENTIAL for 1-2 TDs either on the ground or through the air = 23+ fantasy points in PPR.
For me, I don't see this upside in a Q. Ganther.
I think Foster get's his chance. I'm rolling the dice with him and basically praying that he doesn't fumble. If he doesn't, I think Foster owners benefit.
mistersmith
Footballguy
fantastic analysis everyone. at such a critical time in the playoffs, too. much appreciated. thank you all very much and happy holidays.
starting foster over ganther...no regrets.
starting foster over ganther...no regrets.
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JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
No Guts No Glory!!!
I think he puts up good numbers since Houston is virtually out of po contention and they need to see what this kid has, I understand people love the analysis, but those are all the definitions of overcoaching....
Keep it simple.....
Kubiak says hes starting and wants to see more, and what better game to do so?
StL sucks
Moats Sucks, and had his chance
Brown Sucks, and had his chance
They'll be up by a ton
Isnt that all we need to look at instead of ypc or projection of carries or even worrying about Kubiaks so called history...I tell u what if I coached a fb team and I had players fumble all the time, I'd pull them too.
Remember its all about your gut, dont let overcoaching analysis cost u a superbowl!
I think he puts up good numbers since Houston is virtually out of po contention and they need to see what this kid has, I understand people love the analysis, but those are all the definitions of overcoaching....
Keep it simple.....
Kubiak says hes starting and wants to see more, and what better game to do so?
StL sucks
Moats Sucks, and had his chance
Brown Sucks, and had his chance
They'll be up by a ton
Isnt that all we need to look at instead of ypc or projection of carries or even worrying about Kubiaks so called history...I tell u what if I coached a fb team and I had players fumble all the time, I'd pull them too.
Remember its all about your gut, dont let overcoaching analysis cost u a superbowl!
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is Foster starting? I thought Brown would start but by the 2nd quarter Foster would be used liberally the rest of the way.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
This is what I'm envisioning as well. Still not at all comfortable with this dude in the starting lineup in the playoffs though.
eh you should be fine. i originally planned to research and report all three, forsett, jennings, and fosters this week since i picked up all three + morris and hart this week but I just spent way too much time on Foster so I didn't have time to report findings on the other guys. I'm down to my RB4/5 after smith went out. With just some skimming through stats I thought it would be Foster, Jennings, Forsett but it was close enough that I juggled them a few times. Hopefully all three give us good games.Going Forsett, just can't do it
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Early fumble certainly won't help his case
Worst case senerio right there.
thatguy
Footballguy
Yup. Damn.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I think we have different definitions of "floor'.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Right now he is in the negative for me. At the end of the game I am hoping he won't be but I doubt it.
Thought Kubiak would give the kid an honest shot the way he has been talking about him. Upside seemed too good to pass up the way STL and HOU played last week. 
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
He has not been on the field since, he got stripped from behind, it could of happened to anyone.To not let the kid redeem himself shows bad coaching and is rediculous.
Sorry, my bad guys. All my analysis and predictions really mean squat when he fumbles the ball on the first 3 touches. I thought if he fumbled, it would at least be after he did something so they'd have a reason to keep him in the game or they'd at least be scoring so big that it wouldn't even matter. Don't know how you really account for fumbles in analysis, couldn't really give a % chance of fumbling prediction without pulling numbers out of my butt. Fumble or not, just being in a competitive game already limited his ceiling but unless they turn things up big time in the second half I don't see this guy getting a shot anymore. My last shred of hope was that if they were up big they'd see what they'd have in the kid in garbage time but yeah... he's trying to keep his job so Brown is the main guy here with Moats on the field during running plays.
chook
Footballguy
Exactly what I'm thinking. How he thinks instilling that kind of mindset into his players works is beyond me.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Bad "coaching" is relying on a rookie RB with 13 career carries in you league semi finals based on coachspeak and a decent matchup.
Futz
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
This is what I feared would happen and why I shied away from Foster today. Kubiak made it clear he was going to play all 3 RBs and he's had an itchy trigger finger with the position all season long. When he criticized Foster's practice work on Thursday that raised a red flag with me because it told me Foster would have a very short leash. I didn't expect it to be this short but I was concerned that an early mistake would doom him. I didn't start Foster but I was rooting for the Texans to lose today because Kubiak has mishandled his backfield all season long.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
ouch. though I doubt many rolled w/ Harrison this week. 16+ teams, maybe - but I'll bet his points this week are on MANY waiver wires. if it makes you feel any better - i played Jennings over SJax.
for Foster the fumble sealed his deal, and STL playing tough @ home took away the potential run game w/ a nice lead in the 2nd half. here's a for my opponent who played Foster over MBIII & PT. lots of us make bonehead calls like these, b/c sometimes the actually work. and interesting dynasty opinions. thx.
Seriously, let's put this into perspective... Foster, Jennings, Forsett, Morris, Harrison.... they were all long shots but they had potential. It's so extremely hard to pick the guy who will go off for the one week of a lifetime but sometimes you have to do it. Especially when you are up against a guy whose 2 WR (Wayne/Austin) who went off earlier in the week and guys like AP, Rice, Charles to go. The guy who chose Harrison is no more a genius than the guy who chose Foster. Probably more ballsy though. I concede that it might not even be possible to analyze who the best sleeper would be any given week. However, I'd make this move over and over again if I had to because well, I had to and the moment you start second guessing your logic and strategies the worse you will become. But yeah, picked wrong this time. Very wrong and now I'm being reminded (and will probably continue to be) of how dumb I am by my opponent so yeah, I'm getting what's coming to me.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
That is a truly stupid comment. I didn't start Foster but gave it a lot of thought and I fault nobody who was in a situation where the gamble made sense to them. Coming in after the game and acting like anyone who started Foster was an idiot tells us more about the commenter than the owners who ended up on the wrong side of a high risk/high reward move.tommyGunZ said:
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
It wasn't "after the game". Several of us cautioned people not to sit decent to good RB plays in favor of Foster this week before the game.And I didn't call anyone an "idiot". I poked fun at Just Cuz for taking out his bitterness on Kubiak, as if Kubiak cares about Foster's fantasy owners.
Yep. Chalk that up under 'Famous Last Words'
Buffaloes
Footballguy
YEah, he was a bad play. Looked alright until the fumble. But that's a big no no w/ Kubiak.Yep. Chalk that up under 'Famous Last Words'
Black
Footballguy
Remember a couple of years back when R. Grant fumbled in the playoff game, not once, but twice in the first two drives, then McCarthy keeps putting him back in and he redeems himself with like, a 200 yard game and a TD or two?
COME ON FREAKING KUBIAK! Give a guy a break!
Why is it that I think Kubiak is Man-gina like and probably fining his players from taking Ozarka from the minibar?
I know they have families, but they are TERRIBLE coaches...if Kubiak and Man-gina get fired this year, it can't happen too soon.
BTW, somehow I survived starting A.Foster...
COME ON FREAKING KUBIAK! Give a guy a break!
Why is it that I think Kubiak is Man-gina like and probably fining his players from taking Ozarka from the minibar?
I know they have families, but they are TERRIBLE coaches...if Kubiak and Man-gina get fired this year, it can't happen too soon.
BTW, somehow I survived starting A.Foster...
bigmiiiiike
Footballguy
I'm down 15 points in a ppr league with Santana left. I started Foster (0 points) over Steve Smith Car (20+ points), Finley (20+ points) and Nicks (still to play). I'm going to be sick to my stomach if starting Foster over any of these guys costs me a chance at a title. Hopefully Santana scores on a long TD early and I don't have to worry about it...
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Are you kidding?I read 2 of your posts yesterday and they had some of the best analysis I've seen in a long time.I wish I read more of them during the season.No one could predict that Foster would fumble in the first series. But once I saw it, I knew all of us who started him were doomed. Par for the course for my team during the 2nd half I'm sorry to say. I traded for Brady after Week 7. Ouch!tigerz said:
19 carries, 97 yards, 1 TD.
Well, he probably didn't help any of you this week but he did show you why we had so much faith in him last week. It just so happens the game scenario I laid out didn't happen against St. Louis but did against Miami. They got up big early and that allowed Foster to get more garbage time carries. Plus, even when it was early in the game he was the one to get the TD. I'm anxious to see all the stats about who played what plays this game or thoughts on how we looked from people who watched it but I'm more thankful that all that analysis I did last week wasn't just crazy talk. Looks like we can really say it was one of those things where a random variable like fumbling can turn your whole projections out of whack.
Well, he probably didn't help any of you this week but he did show you why we had so much faith in him last week. It just so happens the game scenario I laid out didn't happen against St. Louis but did against Miami. They got up big early and that allowed Foster to get more garbage time carries. Plus, even when it was early in the game he was the one to get the TD. I'm anxious to see all the stats about who played what plays this game or thoughts on how we looked from people who watched it but I'm more thankful that all that analysis I did last week wasn't just crazy talk. Looks like we can really say it was one of those things where a random variable like fumbling can turn your whole projections out of whack.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Decent stat line. How'd he look?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Good enough that if he can stay away from fumbling, he can sieze the gig and at a minimum, share with Slaton. Fumbles are both their undoing. Chris Brown looks stupid virtually every game so he's no factor and Moats is not the longterm future.The TD , a mack truck could have drove through untouched.
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