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Any insight to why Julius Jones would hold on to his starting job.

I read this morning that Tyson Thompson would be the third down and change of pace back.

Barber outplayed Jones by a mile in pre-season why wold nt Parcell give him the starting job.

Actually i hope he becomes the starter i traded Mike Bell for him straight up ( dynasty league )

 
Actually i hope he becomes the starter i traded Mike Bell for him straight up ( dynasty league )
Funny from now on when people write something like this I'm going to think of the "2 Things that Need to Stop on this Forum". :lmao: Piss poor trade, by the way.
 
Actually i hope he becomes the starter i traded Mike Bell for him straight up ( dynasty league )
Funny from now on when people write something like this I'm going to think of the "2 Things that Need to Stop on this Forum". :lmao: Piss poor trade, by the way.
Already made the trade , just cant understand why a guy with a 2,3 ypc pre season and supposively fighting for the starting job would win it over a guy with a 4,1 ypc with better skills .I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .He lost it, just like his boss .And dont get me that Tomlinson did nt play or LJ had a ordinary pre season but it would not matter because they are entrenched starters, Julius Jones is nt in that category ( at least has nt done anything in his career to deserve the starting job automatically )
 
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In a dynasty league, this could end up being on of the most lopsided trades ever... If Mike Bell fizzles out, I'd do that trade any day Traders, don't listen to the Mike Bell "Next Denver great thing" folks.

 
Actually i hope he becomes the starter i traded Mike Bell for him straight up ( dynasty league )
Funny from now on when people write something like this I'm going to think of the "2 Things that Need to Stop on this Forum". :lmao: Piss poor trade, by the way.
Already made the trade , just cant understand why a guy with a 2,3 ypc pre season and supposively fighting for the starting job would win it over a guy with a 4,1 ypc with better skills .I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .He lost it, just like his boss .
:lmao: Man, get a clue. You need to start accepting some things:1. Julius Jones is starting in Dallas - or, at best for your MBIII owners, it's a RBBC.2. Pre-season YPC is pretty useless.3. Despite the fact that Parcells won't start a RB just because you have him, he has not "lost it".4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)5. Nobody likes to read crappy threads like this, unless they like trashing on people, like me.
 
Actually i hope he becomes the starter i traded Mike Bell for him straight up ( dynasty league )
Funny from now on when people write something like this I'm going to think of the "2 Things that Need to Stop on this Forum". :lmao: Piss poor trade, by the way.
Already made the trade , just cant understand why a guy with a 2,3 ypc pre season and supposively fighting for the starting job would win it over a guy with a 4,1 ypc with better skills .I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .He lost it, just like his boss .
:lmao: Man, get a clue. You need to start accepting some things:1. Julius Jones is starting in Dallas - or, at best for your MBIII owners, it's a RBBC.2. Pre-season YPC is pretty useless.3. Despite the fact that Parcells won't start a RB just because you have him, he has not "lost it".4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)5. Nobody likes to read crappy threads like this, unless they like trashing on people, like me.
I know that s all your doing , but no one cares about guys like you anymore .
 
4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)
:no: I would take MBIII over a Denver RB in a dynasty league any time. In the last 5 years, Denver's had 4 different leading rushers. Why does everyone think MBell will be the one? Bell owners can enjoy their 3 games as a starter then suffer thru the uncertainty.

Portis is the man. No wait, its Droughns. Here's Mike Anderson. Tatum's the guy! No, its Quintin...back to Bell....Mike Bell. Eh, you can have the headache.

 
4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)
:no: I would take MBIII over a Denver RB in a dynasty league any time. In the last 5 years, Denver's had 4 different leading rushers. Why does everyone think MBell will be the one? Bell owners can enjoy their 3 games as a starter then suffer thru the uncertainty.

Portis is the man. No wait, its Droughns. Here's Mike Anderson. Tatum's the guy! No, its Quintin...back to Bell....Mike Bell. Eh, you can have the headache.
Thats exactly it , Bell has no value at all ( He aint a starting RB , Cobbs will probably end up starting by week 2 or 3 i had him and kept him did nt include him in the trade)so it will be a one sided trade but going my way .Guys who are keeping Bell remeber Q Griffin same thing ( I got Chris Brown and Larry Fitzgerald when i traded Griffin before the season started two years back )

 
4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)
:no: I would take MBIII over a Denver RB in a dynasty league any time. In the last 5 years, Denver's had 4 different leading rushers. Why does everyone think MBell will be the one? Bell owners can enjoy their 3 games as a starter then suffer thru the uncertainty.

Portis is the man. No wait, its Droughns. Here's Mike Anderson. Tatum's the guy! No, its Quintin...back to Bell....Mike Bell. Eh, you can have the headache.
Thats exactly it , Bell has no value at all ( He aint a starting RB , Cobbs will probably end up starting by week 2 or 3 i had him and kept him did nt include him in the trade)so it will be a one sided trade but going my way .Guys who are keeping Bell remeber Q Griffin same thing ( I got Chris Brown and Larry Fitzgerald when i traded Griffin before the season started two years back )
Ohh kayyyy, credibility lost right there.
 
4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)
:no: I would take MBIII over a Denver RB in a dynasty league any time. In the last 5 years, Denver's had 4 different leading rushers. Why does everyone think MBell will be the one? Bell owners can enjoy their 3 games as a starter then suffer thru the uncertainty.

Portis is the man. No wait, its Droughns. Here's Mike Anderson. Tatum's the guy! No, its Quintin...back to Bell....Mike Bell. Eh, you can have the headache.
Thats exactly it , Bell has no value at all ( He aint a starting RB , Cobbs will probably end up starting by week 2 or 3 i had him and kept him did nt include him in the trade)so it will be a one sided trade but going my way .Guys who are keeping Bell remeber Q Griffin same thing ( I got Chris Brown and Larry Fitzgerald when i traded Griffin before the season started two years back )
No matter what you think about Mike Bell's chances of being a long-term starter, the point is that this is a sell-high time for Mike Bell. He's starting right now, and that in itself is more than anyone can say for Marion Barber. You in fact sold LOW trading the starting Denver RB for a backup Dallas RB.terrible

trade

 
4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)
:no: I would take MBIII over a Denver RB in a dynasty league any time. In the last 5 years, Denver's had 4 different leading rushers. Why does everyone think MBell will be the one? Bell owners can enjoy their 3 games as a starter then suffer thru the uncertainty.

Portis is the man. No wait, its Droughns. Here's Mike Anderson. Tatum's the guy! No, its Quintin...back to Bell....Mike Bell. Eh, you can have the headache.
Thats exactly it , Bell has no value at all ( He aint a starting RB , Cobbs will probably end up starting by week 2 or 3 i had him and kept him did nt include him in the trade)so it will be a one sided trade but going my way .Guys who are keeping Bell remeber Q Griffin same thing ( I got Chris Brown and Larry Fitzgerald when i traded Griffin before the season started two years back )
No matter what you think about Mike Bell's chances of being a long-term starter, the point is that this is a sell-high time for Mike Bell. He's starting right now, and that in itself is more than anyone can say for Marion Barber. You in fact sold LOW trading the starting Denver RB for a backup Dallas RB.terrible

trade
Sorry to disagree. For a dynasty league, I think MBIII is a great pickup.ETA: Right now, the 2 are fairly close in dynasty value with MBIII holding a slight edge. Trading the 2 straight up, getting MBIII is the better value.

 
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4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)
:no: I would take MBIII over a Denver RB in a dynasty league any time. In the last 5 years, Denver's had 4 different leading rushers. Why does everyone think MBell will be the one? Bell owners can enjoy their 3 games as a starter then suffer thru the uncertainty.

Portis is the man. No wait, its Droughns. Here's Mike Anderson. Tatum's the guy! No, its Quintin...back to Bell....Mike Bell. Eh, you can have the headache.
:goodposting: nuff said

 
4. You made a terrible trade (talk about relying on pre-season performance TOO MUCH on one hand (Jones vs. Barber) and NOT ENOUGH on another (M. Bell locking down the starting gig in Denver)
:no: I would take MBIII over a Denver RB in a dynasty league any time. In the last 5 years, Denver's had 4 different leading rushers. Why does everyone think MBell will be the one? Bell owners can enjoy their 3 games as a starter then suffer thru the uncertainty.

Portis is the man. No wait, its Droughns. Here's Mike Anderson. Tatum's the guy! No, its Quintin...back to Bell....Mike Bell. Eh, you can have the headache.
Thats exactly it , Bell has no value at all ( He aint a starting RB , Cobbs will probably end up starting by week 2 or 3 i had him and kept him did nt include him in the trade)so it will be a one sided trade but going my way .Guys who are keeping Bell remeber Q Griffin same thing ( I got Chris Brown and Larry Fitzgerald when i traded Griffin before the season started two years back )
Ohh kayyyy, credibility lost right there.
Why , sorry i did nt explain myself properly ( Of course he has value now that is why i traded him but his value will go down the drain by week 1 ,2 or 3 when he will go back to RB 3 )

 
Subtract the stats from the following:

Game 1: Anything after the 10 minute mark of Quarter 1.

Game 2: Anything after the first half.

Game 3: Anything after the first half.

Game 4: Anything after the opening kickoff.

With the starters on the field, see what the stats say about the (Pick an NFL team) run game. All the rest is seeing who is going to make the team.

 
Subtract the stats from the following:Game 1: Anything after the 10 minute mark of Quarter 1.Game 2: Anything after the first half.Game 3: Anything after the first half.Game 4: Anything after the opening kickoff.With the starters on the field, see what the stats say about the (Pick an NFL team) run game. All the rest is seeing who is going to make the team.
Great so Marion Barber outplayed Jones in Game 1 ,2 ,3 and 4.
 
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I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .He lost it
Good thing you don't own an NFL team, or are the GM of one. Your ability to judge Coaching talent is shaky, to say the least.
Explain , i am not the only one ( and by the way there are some experts out there who thinks axactly the same, the Cowboys would be a much better organization without Parcells and Jerry jones )
 
I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .He lost it
Good thing you don't own an NFL team, or are the GM of one. Your ability to judge Coaching talent is shaky, to say the least.
Explain , i am not the only one ( and by the way there are some experts out there who thinks axactly the same, the Cowboys would be a much better organization without Parcells and Jerry jones )
:lmao:
 
I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .

He lost it
Good thing you don't own an NFL team, or are the GM of one.Your ability to judge Coaching talent is shaky, to say the least.
Explain , i am not the only one ( and by the way there are some experts out there who thinks axactly the same, the Cowboys would be a much better organization without Parcells and Jerry jones )
Agreed the Cowboys would be better if Jerry Jones would quit meddling, but what is there to explain about Parcells?And I've never heard any expert say the Cowboys would be better off without Parcells.

Think you'll need to provide a :link: on the experts who are saying this, or I'll have to call the big :bs: on that one Traders2001.

 
Explain , i am not the only one ( and by the way there are some experts out there who thinks axactly the same, the Cowboys would be a much better organization without Parcells and Jerry jones )
Would you prefer:Davis and ShellFord and MorningwegMcCombs and TiceYou cant say the team would be better off unless you know exactly what the alternative might be.Gotta love talking heads.
 
I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .

He lost it
Good thing you don't own an NFL team, or are the GM of one.Your ability to judge Coaching talent is shaky, to say the least.
Explain , i am not the only one ( and by the way there are some experts out there who thinks axactly the same, the Cowboys would be a much better organization without Parcells and Jerry jones )
Agreed the Cowboys would be better if Jerry Jones would quit meddling, but what is there to explain about Parcells?And I've never heard any expert say the Cowboys would be better off without Parcells.

Think you'll need to provide a :link: on the experts who are saying this, or I'll have to call the big :bs: on that one Traders2001.
Gimme a little time and i will find a few links .
 
Already made the trade , just cant understand why a guy with a 2,3 ypc pre season and supposively fighting for the starting job would win it over a guy with a 4,1 ypc with better skills .
2.3 YPC vs. starters > 4.1 YPC vs. guys who are now looking for a job.
 
Starting Denver RB is not as valuable as the backup in Dallas.

Bill Parcells has "lost it" and, according to Traders2001 and many TBD "experts", the Cowboys would be better off without him.

Starting RB's should be determined by pre-season performances.

Good info here.

 
' date='Sep 3 2006, 12:50 PM' post='5444560']2.3 YPC vs. starters > 4.1 YPC vs. guys who are now looking for a job.
He's the captain of this ship and going down with it.Just board the lifeboat and salute him on his final voyage. ;)
 
' date='Sep 3 2006, 03:50 PM' post='5444560']

Already made the trade , just cant understand why a guy with a 2,3 ypc pre season and supposively fighting for the starting job would win it over a guy with a 4,1 ypc with better skills .
2.3 YPC vs. starters > 4.1 YPC vs. guys who are now looking for a job.
I like guys like that they take a part of the post and base their judgement on that .Hey mr Julius Jones owner , they both played against the same defenses ( Barber did not play in the 4th while Jones played in the first quarter ) and dont tell me Jones was entrenched as the starter . So all i am saying is that Barber is the best RB ( proved it in training camp ) and he should start .
 
I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .

He lost it
Good thing you don't own an NFL team, or are the GM of one.Your ability to judge Coaching talent is shaky, to say the least.
Explain , i am not the only one ( and by the way there are some experts out there who thinks axactly the same, the Cowboys would be a much better organization without Parcells and Jerry jones )
Agreed the Cowboys would be better if Jerry Jones would quit meddling, but what is there to explain about Parcells?And I've never heard any expert say the Cowboys would be better off without Parcells.

Think you'll need to provie a :link: on the experts who are saying this, or I'll have to call the big :bs: on that one Traders2001.
Gimme a little time and i will find a few links.
www.traders2001.com/asinineopinions/index.html
 
Starting Denver RB is not as valuable as the backup in Dallas.Good info here.
I'm looking at it from a dynasty perspective (per the initial post). Wanna gamble on who's the starting RB in Denver? History tells us it won't be MBell. Remember when TBell was the can't-miss Denver prospect? How's that going?Again, for *dynasty* purposes, I'll take MBIII.
 
Pretty funny stuff- it's all in good fun- right? right? I actually like Barber, and Jones, at best, Barber would cut the load just because he's a talent-This could be there year. Parcells is top five coach.

 
Starting Denver RB is not as valuable as the backup in Dallas.Good info here.
I'm looking at it from a dynasty perspective (per the initial post). Wanna gamble on who's the starting RB in Denver? History tells us it won't be MBell. Remember when TBell was the can't-miss Denver prospect? How's that going?Again, for *dynasty* purposes, I'll take MBIII.
So take a guy who is starting now but may not in the future, and trade him for a guy who is not starting now and may not in the future.Good call.
 
Starting Denver RB is not as valuable as the backup in Dallas.Good info here.
I'm looking at it from a dynasty perspective (per the initial post). Wanna gamble on who's the starting RB in Denver? History tells us it won't be MBell. Remember when TBell was the can't-miss Denver prospect? How's that going?Again, for *dynasty* purposes, I'll take MBIII.
So take a guy who is starting now but may not in the future, and trade him for a guy who is not starting now and may not in the future.Good call.
You're right. You should gamble on the Denver-stud-of-the-week. Shanahan says he's the starter. Good luck with that. BTW, did you jump on the Dayne bandwagon a few weeks ago? Wasn't he the starter for a week?From a *talent* stand point, I'll still go with Barber. And for dynasty leagues, talent usually wins out in the long run.
 
Starting Denver RB is not as valuable as the backup in Dallas.Good info here.
I'm looking at it from a dynasty perspective (per the initial post). Wanna gamble on who's the starting RB in Denver? History tells us it won't be MBell. Remember when TBell was the can't-miss Denver prospect? How's that going?Again, for *dynasty* purposes, I'll take MBIII.
So take a guy who is starting now but may not in the future, and trade him for a guy who is not starting now and may not in the future.Good call.
Make sure you pile on heavily now. Cowardice is ignorance. :thumbdown:
 
By the way for such a bad post without interest , already 34 replies not bad.
:lmao: All because your sanity is being called into question.Yep.... give yourself a big ol' pat on the back.
Fok i did nt there was so many frustrated Julius Jones owner ......Anyway i love it ( you know what i am not even a Barber or a Bell owner ) just wanted to stirr the chit a little.
R U NcStAtE GrL? a/s/l?
 
here is a pretty good article from another mb

JFE-Julius isnt the real problem

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By Jennifer Floyd Engel

Star-Telegram Staff Writer

STAR-TELEGRAM/DARRELL BYERS

Despite an unimpressive preseason, Julius Jones has already shown he can be a go-to running back.Julius Jones is one of those rare athletes who actually admits to knowing exactly what is being written and said about him. By everybody. Every day. Good, bad and ugly.

So this should come as no shock to him: Some people believe Jones is "just a guy," a JAG, a not-so-special running back.

Possibly even his head coach agrees.

Sir William spent a good portion of this off-season underwhelming us when talk turned to Jones. Whatever the question, Sir William dodged mentioning Jones exclusively and instead launched into why a buddy system with Marion Barber is a much better idea.

Parcells stands on somewhat sound statistical ground.

Jones finished the preseason averaging a very Troy Hambrick-esque 2.3 yards per carry. There is also that little detail of him only starting 19 games in two NFL seasons. Oh yeah, of his 1,812 career rushing yards, 691 came in four games.

Does this make him a JAG? Hardly.

If anything, just knowing those four games exist, that on some days he has that kind of game in him, should be enough to earn him another go at being this team's carry-the-mail back. This is his third year. The Tom Landry Rule requires at least that much patience.

He is not likely to get it.

Certain chatter boxes, as Sir William has tabbed us media types, already have begun opining that Barber has looked better. "Go with him," seems to be the hip thinking.

Funny because, on Thursday, when the Cowboys' offensive line was getting blown off the ball, it seemed Barber had his share of problems, too. Or maybe one carry for 1 yard against the Vikings' real defense is sneaky good?

The reality is this whole team is trying to work around the fact that the offensive line remains a big, fat question mark. Running backs, quarterbacks, everybody.

Owner Jones keeps talking about going to backup QB Tony Romo if the line has problems. How about this idea, Jerry? Fix the problems with the line.

This is what everybody was talking about when it was pointed out that money spent on "The Player" might have been better spent on a lineman.

I'm not talking about Kyle Kosier or Jason Fabini, either. Kosier will be lucky if he avoids being supplanted by Cory Procter at some point. And Fabini should have been cut Saturday, not Rob Petitti. But apparently being a former Jet is more important than being a 16-game starter with upside.

For anybody looking for a "who" the Cowboys could have signed, try Steve Hutchinson.

He is also the guy the Cowboys could have drafted if they had not traded the pick for wide receiver Joey Galloway.

Imagine how good Julius might be with Hutchinson.

Instead, the Cowboys are content to cross their fingers about the line and rotate their running backs.

"If that is what they want to do, that is what they are going to do," Julius said recently. "I'm not bitter. I'm not anything."

What he is not is a JAG.

Seriously, JAGs don't do what he did at Carolina last year, rushing for 194 yards. He has talent, no matter what he reads or hears. And he hears and reads everything.

"Sometimes, man, it does [anger me]," Julius said. "I go out there every year and try to prove to everybody that I'm worthy to be here. I know what things are said about me, and I just go out and try to prove people wrong."

What he needs to hope is the offensive line is doing likewise.

 
So take a guy who is starting now but may not in the future, and trade him for a guy who is not starting now and may not in the future.Good call.
For knowing so much about rb's your dynasty rb's are horrible. I'd take Barber anyday over Bell 'the flavor of the week' in Denver.GDB relying on Skeletor for anything,ever
 
So take a guy who is starting now but may not in the future, and trade him for a guy who is not starting now and may not in the future.Good call.
For knowing so much about rb's your dynasty rb's are horrible. I'd take Barber anyday over Bell 'the flavor of the week' in Denver.GDB relying on Skeletor for anything,ever
thepont ispeopleMike Bell is the starting RB for Denver today. I share the same concerns about his long-term value as you do. I think the "shark" move (while I hate that term) is to sell high on Mike Bell, as I did in Ron Dayne.Selling high is not MBIII straight up. So when I say that you traded the starting Denver RB for the Dallas backup RB, I'm not implying that Mike Bell will remain the starting RB permanently, I'm implying that you didn't get enough for M. Bell given his current value.Let me know if you need anything else explained letter by letter, I'm happy to do it.
 
I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .He lost it
Good thing you don't own an NFL team, or are the GM of one. Your ability to judge Coaching talent is shaky, to say the least.
Explain , i am not the only one ( and by the way there are some experts out there who thinks axactly the same, the Cowboys would be a much better organization without Parcells and Jerry jones )
Has it really come to this around here? This is so brutal to read it's sickens me to be doing so. Threads like this really do hurt this site IMO. I would hope its a sign of the times and that this site is just about unbearable in season. Wow some of these threads really just make you say, get me out of here fast. Is their anything more aggravating than a thread that makes you pissed off because of its stupidity? Bye out of here..jeez.
 
I really think Parcells days as a coach should be over , the guy is just on a power trip and that s it .

He lost it
Good thing you don't own an NFL team, or are the GM of one.Your ability to judge Coaching talent is shaky, to say the least.
Explain , i am not the only one ( and by the way there are some experts out there who thinks axactly the same, the Cowboys would be a much better organization without Parcells and Jerry jones )
Agreed the Cowboys would be better if Jerry Jones would quit meddling, but what is there to explain about Parcells?And I've never heard any expert say the Cowboys would be better off without Parcells.

Think you'll need to provide a :link: on the experts who are saying this, or I'll have to call the big :bs: on that one Traders2001.
Gimme a little time and i will find a few links .
Still waiting Traders2001.Or do we just go ahead and call your post :bs:

 
So take a guy who is starting now but may not in the future, and trade him for a guy who is not starting now and may not in the future.Good call.
For knowing so much about rb's your dynasty rb's are horrible. I'd take Barber anyday over Bell 'the flavor of the week' in Denver.GDB relying on Skeletor for anything,ever
thepont ispeopleMike Bell is the starting RB for Denver today. I share the same concerns about his long-term value as you do. I think the "shark" move (while I hate that term) is to sell high on Mike Bell, as I did in Ron Dayne.Selling high is not MBIII straight up. So when I say that you traded the starting Denver RB for the Dallas backup RB, I'm not implying that Mike Bell will remain the starting RB permanently, I'm implying that you didn't get enough for M. Bell given his current value.Let me know if you need anything else explained letter by letter, I'm happy to do it.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you've never been in a dynasty league. How much do you think most dynasty owners are going to give you for a Denver-flavor-of-the-week? Getting Barber is pretty damn good in my book.
 
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