Steelers/Cowboys week 14 (1 Viewer)

[Manster]

'Lers 14'Boys 20Roeth sacked, hurt, out for season. FWP comments after game he has never been hit so hard and so often.

went ahead and fixed that for ya.

Who gonna hurt Ben? Ware? He is gimped up this week. Zach THomas? Come on! James Harrison, aka Silverback, will hit Romo so hard Jessica Simpson will feel the pain. LaMarr Woodley, Troy P, Big Casey, Farrior....the pain will be brung.

Ware should be fine, and he's bringing his 15 sacks with him. if you wanna underestimate the Dallas D, go ahead, but i'm sure big ben is thinkin about em, with that huge ugly melon of his.

 

[PosterNutBag]

This guy thinks the Cowboys will beat PIT, NYG & BAL over the next 3 weeks.

 

[T Bell]

Please walk back five yards. Flozell got flagged for a false start again.

Are you trying to make a constructive argument to help people learn about the game or are you merely trying to troll for a flame war? Just curious.

You mean your arguments about how great the Cowboys OT's are is "constructive"? That line is one of the major reasons why they're scrambling for a playoff spot right now.

Can you point out where on this thread I've said the OTs are great? Or maybe you should look back and see how I'm saying the Steelers OLBs are likely to give them trouble. I guess thats too hard for you to do. Much easier just to flame away.

Strength and nastiness don't bother those OTs. They are 2 of the strongest guys around and Columbo is one of the nastiest SOBs on the planet.

 

[packersfan]

Over/under on how many times Roethlisberger is sacked?

10?

 

[Copeman]

Over/under on how many times Roethlisberger is sacked?10?

Same can be asked about Romo.

 

[Ridgelake]

Another thing that I think Dallas will do to help slow down the OLBs is run a lot of 2 TE sets. Witten and Bennett on either side of the tackles. They can chip the OLBs before releasing into the pattern. Don't be surprised to see this a lot on 1st and 2nd down.

 

[simmonjm]

Over/under on how many times Roethlisberger is sacked?10?

Same can be asked about Romo.

Uh no it cant. Dallas has a good offensive line arguably one of the best in the NFL last year, the Steelers not so much. For a point of reference take a common opponent the Eagles I believe Big Ben was sacked everytime he threw ball and twice while getting a drink of gatorade, meanwhile Romo left the Eagles game practically unscathed.

 

[simmonjm]

{Syrus} says this is like a playoff game for the Cowboys, so I think that's all you need to know. Steelers 27 - Cowboys 17

This really isn't getting enough attention

Probably because it doesn't make sense. The Cowboys have been to 8 super bowls. That's more than any other franchise. They have the most playoff wins of any franchise in the NFL. They are the last franchise you'd think of when it comes to losing in the playoffs.It just comes off as jealousy.

Huge Cowboys fan here but there is really nothing we as fans can say. Dallas has disappointed in December and the playoffs and until they win we will have to put up with this shtick. Very funny though T Bell.

 

[simmonjm]

It's early but the forecast for Sunday is snow showers with temps in the 20s.

Steelers 66Girls 20

Nothing like seeing a Pats fan jump on the Steelers bandwagon. And they say Dallas has alot of fairweather fans.

 

[Andy Herron]

Over/under on how many times Roethlisberger is sacked?10?

Same can be asked about Romo.

Obviously, you're confusing Romo with (Steve) Bono.Baaaaaack to the film room...

 

[Andy Herron]

Please walk back five yards. Flozell got flagged for a false start again.

Are you trying to make a constructive argument to help people learn about the game or are you merely trying to troll for a flame war? Just curious.

You mean your arguments about how great the Cowboys OT's are is "constructive"? That line is one of the major reasons why they're scrambling for a playoff spot right now.

Can you point out where on this thread I've said the OTs are great? Or maybe you should look back and see how I'm saying the Steelers OLBs are likely to give them trouble. I guess thats too hard for you to do. Much easier just to flame away.

He's a Redskins fan. Go figure. What else could we expect?

 

[Steel Dillo]

Harrison is going to rebreak Romo's finger in the process of another strip sack & Brad Johnson will come in & set a record... for most sacks in a half (23)

 

[Bankerguy]

Please walk back five yards. Flozell got flagged for a false start again.

Are you trying to make a constructive argument to help people learn about the game or are you merely trying to troll for a flame war? Just curious.

You mean your arguments about how great the Cowboys OT's are is "constructive"? That line is one of the major reasons why they're scrambling for a playoff spot right now.

Can you point out where on this thread I've said the OTs are great? Or maybe you should look back and see how I'm saying the Steelers OLBs are likely to give them trouble. I guess thats too hard for you to do. Much easier just to flame away.

Strength and nastiness don't bother those OTs. They are 2 of the strongest guys around and Columbo is one of the nastiest SOBs on the planet.

You are off-sides here T Bell. Ridgelake is one of the boards top 10 posters in my opinion. He rarely gets emotional or personal. His posts are almost always with insight as to how he formed his opinions (Whether you argree or not). In my experience he is probably the most level headed and knowledgeable Cowboy poster on the site.

 

[Mustang Man]

The Pats defense is not a good defense. Dallas is and they will get to Big Ben, actually that is the key to this game

NFL Defensive rank in yards allowedallas 9New England 13NFL Defensive rank in points allowed:New England 12Dallas 15So why are the Cowboys good and the Patriots not?This could be one of the most exciting games of the year. Steelers 19, Cowboys 17

Numbers are misleading Dallas can get to the QB better and their defense is better for it. Pats defense is ok but strikes fear into no qb. Big Ben will be looking over his shoulder all day for D-Ware. This will be a a good one!

 

[comfortably numb]

Dallas 20

Pitt 17

 

[oddball]

I predict my wife(Steelers fan) and I(Cowboys fan) aren't going to have relations for a week, no matter the outcome

Your wife has excellent taste in football. Why did she marry a Dallas fan?

I'm really really good in the sack.

 

[Copeman]

Over/under on how many times Roethlisberger is sacked?10?

Same can be asked about Romo.

Uh no it cant.

Uh, yes it can. Pittsburgh is tops of the leader board for sacks.

 

[Copeman]

It's early but the forecast for Sunday is snow showers with temps in the 20s.

Steelers 66Girls 20

Nothing like seeing a Pats fan jump on the Steelers bandwagon. And they say Dallas has alot of fairweather fans.

I believe the topic is about who people think will win this game. He merely answered.

 

[Tyrion]

Tough and gritty team playing a cutesy little finesse team on a tough and gritty field in winter weather. Give me the tough and gritty team.Steelers 17Cowboys 13

Wearing black and having to live in Pittsburgh doesn't make them tough. I can't wait for this game so we can see how the Steelers hold up.

 

[Petey]

Pittsburgh plays so well in crappy weather. And Pittsburgh has been SOOO crappy lately.

I really think its going to be a low scoring game despite the high scoring offense of Dallas.

Final Score

Pittsburgh 17

Dallas 10

willie/moore will have combined 185 yards

and again pittsburgh wont give up a 100 yard rushing performance

 

[simmonjm]

It's early but the forecast for Sunday is snow showers with temps in the 20s.

Steelers 66Girls 20

Nothing like seeing a Pats fan jump on the Steelers bandwagon. And they say Dallas has alot of fairweather fans.

I believe the topic is about who people think will win this game. He merely answered.

Right and the Steelers scoring 66 is logical?

 

[Manster]

Pittsburgh plays so well in crappy weather. And Pittsburgh has been SOOO crappy lately.

I really think its going to be a low scoring game despite the high scoring offense of Dallas.

Final Score

Pittsburgh 17

Dallas 10

willie/moore will have combined 185 yards

and again pittsburgh wont give up a 100 yard rushing performance

rushing? you realize the Cowboys D has been dominating the run, right? the Cowboys wont need 100 yds rushing. they'll run just enough to keep pittsburgh honest. the question is, how are they going to cover TO, Witten, Roy, Crayton, Bennett, etc....with Romo throwing the rock?

 

[T Bell]

Please walk back five yards. Flozell got flagged for a false start again.

Are you trying to make a constructive argument to help people learn about the game or are you merely trying to troll for a flame war? Just curious.

You mean your arguments about how great the Cowboys OT's are is "constructive"? That line is one of the major reasons why they're scrambling for a playoff spot right now.

Can you point out where on this thread I've said the OTs are great? Or maybe you should look back and see how I'm saying the Steelers OLBs are likely to give them trouble. I guess thats too hard for you to do. Much easier just to flame away.

Strength and nastiness don't bother those OTs. They are 2 of the strongest guys around and Columbo is one of the nastiest SOBs on the planet.

You are off-sides here T Bell. Ridgelake is one of the boards top 10 posters in my opinion. He rarely gets emotional or personal. His posts are almost always with insight as to how he formed his opinions (Whether you argree or not). In my experience he is probably the most level headed and knowledgeable Cowboy poster on the site.

I got nothing against Ridgelake, and in fact said nothing directed at him until he called me out for being non-"constructive", after of course he was singing the praises of the "strength" of the highly overrated OT's on the Cowboys. I agree that he's a solid poster here. Yes, I'm needling Cowboys fans, not on a personal level unless they make it personal, but because so many of them seem to relish being supporters of "America's Team" when times are good, but don't like the attention when times aren't.

 

[{Syrus}]

Please walk back five yards. Flozell got flagged for a false start again.

Are you trying to make a constructive argument to help people learn about the game or are you merely trying to troll for a flame war? Just curious.

You mean your arguments about how great the Cowboys OT's are is "constructive"? That line is one of the major reasons why they're scrambling for a playoff spot right now.

Can you point out where on this thread I've said the OTs are great? Or maybe you should look back and see how I'm saying the Steelers OLBs are likely to give them trouble. I guess thats too hard for you to do. Much easier just to flame away.

Strength and nastiness don't bother those OTs. They are 2 of the strongest guys around and Columbo is one of the nastiest SOBs on the planet.

You are off-sides here T Bell. Ridgelake is one of the boards top 10 posters in my opinion. He rarely gets emotional or personal. His posts are almost always with insight as to how he formed his opinions (Whether you argree or not). In my experience he is probably the most level headed and knowledgeable Cowboy poster on the site.

I got nothing against Ridgelake, and in fact said nothing directed at him until he called me out for being non-"constructive", after of course he was singing the praises of the "strength" of the highly overrated OT's on the Cowboys. I agree that he's a solid poster here. Yes, I'm needling Cowboys fans, not on a personal level unless they make it personal, but because so many of them seem to relish being supporters of "America's Team" when times are good, but don't like the attention when times aren't.

People should just report this troller.Nothing exciting going on in redskins threads, obviously. Aww he so sad.

 

[Copeman]

Tough and gritty team playing a cutesy little finesse team on a tough and gritty field in winter weather. Give me the tough and gritty team.Steelers 17Cowboys 13

Wearing black and having to live in Pittsburgh doesn't make them tough. I can't wait for this game so we can see how the Steelers hold up.

Haven't watched many of their games huh?

 

[Ridgelake]

As for the over/under on how many times each QB will be sacked, here are some stats.

Big Ben: 12 games, 33 times sacked, 2.75 times per game

Romo: 9 games, 8 times sacked, 0.89 times per game.

They've each faced the NFC East at least once.

And for turnovers, which very easily could be what turns this game:

Big Ben: 12 picks, 3 fumbles, or 1.25 turnovers per game.

Romo: 8 picks, 4 fumbles, or 1.33 turnovers per game.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

And for turnovers, which very easily could be what turns this game:Big Ben: 12 picks, 3 fumbles, or 1.25 turnovers per game.Romo: 8 picks, 4 fumbles, or 1.33 turnovers per game.

some more stats on topic:Steelers D: averaging 1.67 Takeaways per game (13 INT / 7 FR)Dallas D: averaging 1.25 TA/g (6 INT / 9FR)

 

[T Bell]

Please walk back five yards. Flozell got flagged for a false start again.

Are you trying to make a constructive argument to help people learn about the game or are you merely trying to troll for a flame war? Just curious.

You mean your arguments about how great the Cowboys OT's are is "constructive"? That line is one of the major reasons why they're scrambling for a playoff spot right now.

Can you point out where on this thread I've said the OTs are great? Or maybe you should look back and see how I'm saying the Steelers OLBs are likely to give them trouble. I guess thats too hard for you to do. Much easier just to flame away.

Strength and nastiness don't bother those OTs. They are 2 of the strongest guys around and Columbo is one of the nastiest SOBs on the planet.

You are off-sides here T Bell. Ridgelake is one of the boards top 10 posters in my opinion. He rarely gets emotional or personal. His posts are almost always with insight as to how he formed his opinions (Whether you argree or not). In my experience he is probably the most level headed and knowledgeable Cowboy poster on the site.

I got nothing against Ridgelake, and in fact said nothing directed at him until he called me out for being non-"constructive", after of course he was singing the praises of the "strength" of the highly overrated OT's on the Cowboys. I agree that he's a solid poster here. Yes, I'm needling Cowboys fans, not on a personal level unless they make it personal, but because so many of them seem to relish being supporters of "America's Team" when times are good, but don't like the attention when times aren't.

People should just report this troller.Nothing exciting going on in redskins threads, obviously. Aww he so sad.

Hey, look at {Syrus} revealing his hidden virtuoso talent! You've been sandbagging us this whole time!

 

[Wrigley]

20-13 Boys

 

[Andy Herron]

Hard facts.

If the Dallas front seven can exploit Pittsburgh's problems in pass protection, the Cowboys should come home 9-4.

The Steelers have allowed the sixth-most sacks in the league (36).

When faced by other NFC East teams, the Eagles racked up nine sacks in a win over Pittsburgh this season. The Giants got Big Ben five times in New York's win.

Per Stats Inc., the Steelers' top six offensive linemen and RB Mewelde Moore all rank among the league's top 60 in most sacks allowed. (LT Flozell Adams, who ranks 15th, is the only Cowboy in that bad company.)

Next.

 

[Shutterbug]

I am really looking forward to this game. My favorite team against my least favorite team.

GO STEELERS!

ETA: Gator> Another bet?

 

[Tyrion]

Tough and gritty team playing a cutesy little finesse team on a tough and gritty field in winter weather. Give me the tough and gritty team.Steelers 17Cowboys 13

Wearing black and having to live in Pittsburgh doesn't make them tough. I can't wait for this game so we can see how the Steelers hold up.

Haven't watched many of their games huh?

I have watched them and other than an excellent ability to throw cheap shots I haven't been seen much from the Steelers to impress me. What you are going to discover when they are on the same field and across from each other is that Dallas is going to look a lot bigger and meaner (albeit prettier) than the Steelers. And when you see Harrison and Woodley driven into the turf by Adams and Columbo and see Barber punching the Polo in the grill your going to figure out real quick what I have been trying to tell you. The Steelers are going to lose and lose hard.

 

[poopdawg]

Tough and gritty team playing a cutesy little finesse team on a tough and gritty field in winter weather. Give me the tough and gritty team.Steelers 17Cowboys 13

Wearing black and having to live in Pittsburgh doesn't make them tough. I can't wait for this game so we can see how the Steelers hold up.

Haven't watched many of their games huh?

I have watched them and other than an excellent ability to throw cheap shots I haven't been seen much from the Steelers to impress me. What you are going to discover when they are on the same field and across from each other is that Dallas is going to look a lot bigger and meaner (albeit prettier) than the Steelers. And when you see Harrison and Woodley driven into the turf by Adams and Columbo and see Barber punching the Polo in the grill your going to figure out real quick what I have been trying to tell you. The Steelers are going to lose and lose hard.

Im not going to sit here and say that the Steelers are the roughest and toughest defense in the league (although an argument can be made), but you can honestly say that the Steelers are not a tough, hard-nosed team? Wow.

 

[T Bell]

Tough and gritty team playing a cutesy little finesse team on a tough and gritty field in winter weather. Give me the tough and gritty team.Steelers 17Cowboys 13

Wearing black and having to live in Pittsburgh doesn't make them tough. I can't wait for this game so we can see how the Steelers hold up.

Haven't watched many of their games huh?

I have watched them and other than an excellent ability to throw cheap shots I haven't been seen much from the Steelers to impress me. What you are going to discover when they are on the same field and across from each other is that Dallas is going to look a lot bigger and meaner (albeit prettier) than the Steelers. And when you see Harrison and Woodley driven into the turf by Adams and Columbo and see Barber punching the Polo in the grill your going to figure out real quick what I have been trying to tell you. The Steelers are going to lose and lose hard.

I wonder what the Rams would say about the Cowboys toughness.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Hard facts.If the Dallas front seven can exploit Pittsburgh's problems in pass protection, the Cowboys should come home 9-4.The Steelers have allowed the sixth-most sacks in the league (36).When faced by other NFC East teams, the Eagles racked up nine sacks in a win over Pittsburgh this season. The Giants got Big Ben five times in New York's win.Per Stats Inc., the Steelers' top six offensive linemen and RB Mewelde Moore all rank among the league's top 60 in most sacks allowed. (LT Flozell Adams, who ranks 15th, is the only Cowboy in that bad company.)Next.

next what?

 

[Urinal Mint]

Romo throws a couple INTs this game. I don't see any way around it.

 

[Godsbrother]

I have watched them and other than an excellent ability to throw cheap shots I haven't been seen much from the Steelers to impress me.

The Steelers defense is ranked #1 overall, #1 against the pass, #1 against the run, have given up the least amount of points in the NFL and lead the NFL in sacks. They also rank higher than the Cowboys on pretty much every defensive stat there is.What does it take to impress you?

 

[apalmer]

{Syrus} says this is like a playoff game for the Cowboys, so I think that's all you need to know. Steelers 27 - Cowboys 17

This really isn't getting enough attention

Probably because it doesn't make sense. The Cowboys have been to 8 super bowls. That's more than any other franchise. They have the most playoff wins of any franchise in the NFL. They are the last franchise you'd think of when it comes to losing in the playoffs.It just comes off as jealousy.

Jealous of a team that hasn't won a playoff game since 1996?

To be fair, they've won as many as the Browns.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Romo throws a couple INTs this game. I don't see any way around it.

Oh, I agree. I still recommend starting him, though. I see him getting 275 yards, 3 TDs and two INTs.

 

[simmonjm]

Going to be alot of sad Pittsburgh fans after the game. The way some of your posts read I would have figured that the Pittsburgh Steelers were undefeated and beating every opponent by an margin of 20 points ala 2007 Patriots. Would have loved to see what Pittsburghs record would have been had they played Dallas schedule. So far they are 1-2 against the NFC East.

 

[Copeman]

Going to be alot of sad Pittsburgh fans after the game. The way some of your posts read I would have figured that the Pittsburgh Steelers were undefeated and beating every opponent by an margin of 20 points ala 2007 Patriots.

Funny, I have the same reaction after reading all of the Cowboy fan's posts in this thread.

 

[Franknbeans]

Going to be alot of sad Pittsburgh fans after the game. The way some of your posts read I would have figured that the Pittsburgh Steelers were undefeated and beating every opponent by an margin of 20 points ala 2007 Patriots. Would have loved to see what Pittsburghs record would have been had they played Dallas schedule. So far they are 1-2 against the NFC East.

You do realize that the Steelers had the toughest schedule in the league this year? and Dallas is 2-2 aginst the NFC East. Hardly world beaters.

 

[Sylira21]

Going to be alot of sad Pittsburgh fans after the game. The way some of your posts read I would have figured that the Pittsburgh Steelers were undefeated and beating every opponent by an margin of 20 points ala 2007 Patriots. Would have loved to see what Pittsburghs record would have been had they played Dallas schedule. So far they are 1-2 against the NFC East.

Hilarious. Record of Dallas' combined opponents: 65-77-2

Record of Pittsburgh's combined opponents: 66-75-3

But I suppose Dallas' opponents were still somehow "tougher".

 

[Judge Smails]

If this game were in Dallas, the Cowboys would be the pick. In Pittsburgh, in the elements, it's the Steelers. Really not that hard.

 

[Manster]

Tough and gritty team playing a cutesy little finesse team on a tough and gritty field in winter weather. Give me the tough and gritty team.Steelers 17Cowboys 13

Wearing black and having to live in Pittsburgh doesn't make them tough. I can't wait for this game so we can see how the Steelers hold up.

Haven't watched many of their games huh?

I have watched them and other than an excellent ability to throw cheap shots I haven't been seen much from the Steelers to impress me. What you are going to discover when they are on the same field and across from each other is that Dallas is going to look a lot bigger and meaner (albeit prettier) than the Steelers. And when you see Harrison and Woodley driven into the turf by Adams and Columbo and see Barber punching the Polo in the grill your going to figure out real quick what I have been trying to tell you. The Steelers are going to lose and lose hard.

I wonder what the Rams would say about the Cowboys toughness.

that was a horrible outing for the Cowboys, but if you think THIS team is THAT team, you're mistaken.

 

[Nipsey]

If this game were in Dallas, the Cowboys would be the pick. In Pittsburgh, in the elements, it's the Steelers. Really not that hard.

Public hammering Pitt, line dropped to 2.5. As a Romo owner and someone who's already hammered Dallas at +3, love that you, John Q Public, is posting stuff like this. The weather scares me a little, sure, but Dallas is rolling offensively with Romo back (the D ain't too shappy either). Dallas getting points? Sharps hammering it. I just don't believe Pitt is as good as people think they are and don't believe people know how good Dallas actually is. Again, if the wind is whipping around at 40 MPH, I'm hedging because who the hell know what'll happen.

 

[Copeman]

If this game were in Dallas, the Cowboys would be the pick. In Pittsburgh, in the elements, it's the Steelers. Really not that hard.

I just don't believe Pitt is as good as people think they are

Just curious why you think this, seeing that Pitt is 9-3 against so far what was widely regarded as the toughest schedule in the league, and they lead the league in every defensive category. They are ahead of what most people thought they would be at this point. So you thought they would have been even better at this point? What am I missing? I am truly curious. Thanks.

 

[T Bell]

Tough and gritty team playing a cutesy little finesse team on a tough and gritty field in winter weather. Give me the tough and gritty team.Steelers 17Cowboys 13

Wearing black and having to live in Pittsburgh doesn't make them tough. I can't wait for this game so we can see how the Steelers hold up.

Haven't watched many of their games huh?

I have watched them and other than an excellent ability to throw cheap shots I haven't been seen much from the Steelers to impress me. What you are going to discover when they are on the same field and across from each other is that Dallas is going to look a lot bigger and meaner (albeit prettier) than the Steelers. And when you see Harrison and Woodley driven into the turf by Adams and Columbo and see Barber punching the Polo in the grill your going to figure out real quick what I have been trying to tell you. The Steelers are going to lose and lose hard.

I wonder what the Rams would say about the Cowboys toughness.

that was a horrible outing for the Cowboys, but if you think THIS team is THAT team, you're mistaken.

I can understand how injuries can affect lineups and performances, but you don't put on and take off toughness like a pair of slacks.

 

[Nipsey]

If this game were in Dallas, the Cowboys would be the pick. In Pittsburgh, in the elements, it's the Steelers. Really not that hard.

I just don't believe Pitt is as good as people think they are

Just curious why you think this, seeing that Pitt is 9-3 against so far what was widely regarded as the toughest schedule in the league, and they lead the league in every defensive category. They are ahead of what most people thought they would be at this point. So you thought they would have been even better at this point? What am I missing? I am truly curious. Thanks.

Huh? I'm just saying the public is really, really high on them. They're a good team, no doubt. I just don't believe they're as good as most of the public thinks they are. As far as the "toughest schedule in the league", I'm not seeing it.

Week Date Opponent Time/Result Buy Tickets TV

1 Sun, Sep 7 Houston W 38-17 -- CBS

2 Sun, Sep 14 at Cleveland W 10-6 -- NBC

3 Sun, Sep 21 at Philadelphia L 6-15 -- CBS

4 Mon, Sep 29 Baltimore W 23-20 -- ESPN

5 Sun, Oct 5 at Jacksonville W 26-21 -- NBC

6 -- bye -- -- --

7 Sun, Oct 19 at Cincinnati W 38-10 -- CBS

8 Sun, Oct 26 NY Giants L 14-21 -- FOX

9 Mon, Nov 3 at Washington W 23-6 -- ESPN

10 Sun, Nov 9 Indianapolis L 20-24 -- CBS

11 Sun, Nov 16 San Diego W 11-10 -- CBS

12 Thu, Nov 20 Cincinnati W 27-10 -- NFL

13 Sun, Nov 30 at New England W 33-10 -- CBS

Just doesn't look super impressive to me. Next 3 weeks will be telling I guess.

 

[Godsbrother]

The weather scares me a little, sure, but Dallas is rolling offensively with Romo back (the D ain't too shappy either).

I am not trying to discount the Cowboys resurgence but let's not forget the last 2 weeks they were playing San Francisco & Seattle at home. I would think that going on the road to play the #1 defense in the snow on a slow track is going to be a little bit more of a challenge.