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Steelers/Cowboys week 14 (1 Viewer)

If a 20% higher success rate, on nearly 15 more attempts, isn't a decided advantage, I don't know what is.
I agree the Steelers have a decided advantage over your average kicker in Reed. However, Folk is not your average kicker. He's one of the top kickers in the NFL.
5-ish - Great job on the kicker stats. :thumbup:Die - In a game in December, in cold, snowy, windy conditions, that very well could come down to a late field goal, I'll take Reed over Folk every single time.
To each his own. Gimme Folk.I am hoping that Dallas runs alot of 2 TE sets. Witten and Bennett are very blockers in addition to recievers. I think this could help slow down the Steeler pass rush. I also wouldnt mind seeing some occasional max protect with Williams and Owens going deep. On defense I am concerned about the bunch WR set that the Steelers run. Dallas has had problems passing off WR's and this could prove an effective way for the Steelers to move the ball.Cant wait for this game seems like its taking forever for Sunday to get here.
 
I also took a few minutes to think about how Dallas will likely defend Pittsburgh.

The Steelers seem to like to run a 1 back (Fast Willie or Mewelde), 1 TE (Miller), 3 WR (Ward, Holmes, Washington) base set. On first and second downs, Dallas will most likely defend this set with a 3-4-4 lineup with the 4 DBs being Newman, Pacman, Henry, and Hamlin. The strong safety is replaced by a third corner to match up with the 3 wideouts. This leaves the base front 7 to help control the run game. Its tough to run on a 7 man front with only 6 blockers. The weakness of this defense is that the TE draws a LB in coverage. Dallas is very susceptible to opposing TE play and this is one of the reasons. So don't be surprised if Heath Miller has a lot of success on first and second downs.

Occasionally, it appears Pittsburgh goes to a 2 TE, 2 WR set. In this case, Dallas will take the 3rd corner off the field and bring back the strong safety. They also will likely bring out a defense they first showed in the Washington game about 3 weeks ago, a modified version of the Chicago Bears/Philadelphia Eagle 46 defense. In this set, the DTs slide inside over the guards, Ware over the weakside OT, ILB James over the strongside OT, and Spencer/Ellis over the TE. The Strong safety often moves up to create a 6-2 look with the other ILB (Burnett or Zach). This lineup gave Washington all kinds of trouble and really shut down their run game.

In long yardage situations, it appears Pittsburgh stays with their 1 back, 1 TE, 3 WR set. Miller flexes outside. Dallas will likely counter this group with moving CB Henry onto Miller, and using CBs Newman, Pacman, and Scandrick on the WRs. Hamlin will play high safety. This leaves 6 guys in the box. Dallas will likely employ a 2-4 package with the downlinemen being Ratliff and Canty/Hatcher/Bowen. The LBs would be Ware, Ellis, Burnett, and possibly James or Spencer. This group will zone blitz and occasionally send more than 4. Don't be surprised to see blitzes out of the slot. These have been very effective for Dallas this season.

 
I also took a few minutes to think about how Dallas will likely defend Pittsburgh.

The Steelers seem to like to run a 1 back (Fast Willie or Mewelde), 1 TE (Miller), 3 WR (Ward, Holmes, Washington) base set. On first and second downs, Dallas will most likely defend this set with a 3-4-4 lineup with the 4 DBs being Newman, Pacman, Henry, and Hamlin. The strong safety is replaced by a third corner to match up with the 3 wideouts. This leaves the base front 7 to help control the run game. Its tough to run on a 7 man front with only 6 blockers. The weakness of this defense is that the TE draws a LB in coverage. Dallas is very susceptible to opposing TE play and this is one of the reasons. So don't be surprised if Heath Miller has a lot of success on first and second downs.

Occasionally, it appears Pittsburgh goes to a 2 TE, 2 WR set. In this case, Dallas will take the 3rd corner off the field and bring back the strong safety. They also will likely bring out a defense they first showed in the Washington game about 3 weeks ago, a modified version of the Chicago Bears/Philadelphia Eagle 46 defense. In this set, the DTs slide inside over the guards, Ware over the weakside OT, ILB James over the strongside OT, and Spencer/Ellis over the TE. The Strong safety often moves up to create a 6-2 look with the other ILB (Burnett or Zach). This lineup gave Washington all kinds of trouble and really shut down their run game.

In long yardage situations, it appears Pittsburgh stays with their 1 back, 1 TE, 3 WR set. Miller flexes outside. Dallas will likely counter this group with moving CB Henry onto Miller, and using CBs Newman, Pacman, and Scandrick on the WRs. Hamlin will play high safety. This leaves 6 guys in the box. Dallas will likely employ a 2-4 package with the downlinemen being Ratliff and Canty/Hatcher/Bowen. The LBs would be Ware, Ellis, Burnett, and possibly James or Spencer. This group will zone blitz and occasionally send more than 4. Don't be surprised to see blitzes out of the slot. These have been very effective for Dallas this season.
Ridge....are you Vela? It would not surprise me.by Rafael Vela on Dec 4, 2008 6:45 PM CST

Adam Jones' return gives the Cowboys cornerback corps its deepest, healthiest hand since week three, when Jones, Anthony Henry, Terence Newman, Orlando Scandrick and Mike Jenkins played against Green Bay.

Jenkins is out with a hamstring injury but the other four will be available. What's more, Newman should be much healthier than he was earlier in the year, when he was trying to grit his teeth and play with a hernia.

That Packers game was the defense's best, before Newman broke down the following week against Washington and the defensive line followed suit. The Steelers offensive philosophy resembles Green Bay's quite a bit, so it won't be a coincidence if we see Wade Phillips use several features from that game.

The Steelers have a reputation for being a ground-based, grind it out team. Against New England last week, Pittsburgh ran variations of a three WR, one TE, one RB set about 90% of the time. The Steelers swapped a WR for a second TE when they were in short yardage situations, but in almost all other situations the personnel packages were:

QB -- Ben Roethlisberger;

RB -- Mewelde Moore or Willie Parker;

TE -- Heath Miller;

WR -- Santonio Holmes;

WR -- Hines Ward;

WR -- Nate Washington

Pittsburgh used this personnel group in two basic formations. One is a spread set, with Holmes alone on one side and Ward slotted inside Washington on the other. Miller lines up next to one of the OTs and the running back is set in the shotgun to one side of Roethlisberger.

The other is a bunch set, run from the shotgun or with Roethlisberger under center. In this set Holmes, their deep threat, is again split alone, with Miller, Ward and Washington in a trident just wide of the OT opposite side.

Ward usually plays on the point of the bunch, with Miller flanking him inside and Washington flanking him wide. Miller's inside set lets him help the OT when the Steelers max protect or to motion into the backfield as a FB on running plays. Ward works much of the time in the middle of the field against linebackers, safeties and third CBs and does a lot of damage here. Washington, like Holmes, is more of a deep threat and has the team's best YPR average.

The three wide set suggests the Cowboys should deploy in a nickel, but doing that would leave only six men in the box, and the Steelers are not a pass-happy team. Their run-to-pass ratio is 49:51. They will pound the ball inside as much as the opposition will let them.

For this reason, I don't think we'll see Dallas deploy in it's 4-2-5 nickel, with Anthony Henry joining Kevin Burnett as linebackers -- at least not on first and second downs. Henry is 207 lbs. and Burnett is the run of the linebacking corps at 237 lbs. They don't have the muscle to take on guards one-on-one.

Dallas twice made the mistake of using this set against the Packers on first down. The Packers ran at it for ten yards each time. Dallas will use this set and has matchups that work in it, but we'll only see the "Henry nickel" on 3rd and longs. More on this later.

The Steelers, in terms of personnel, resemble Green Bay and Washington, in that they like to spread you out to run. What's more, the Steelers two biggest receiving threats, Ward and Miller, work the center of the field. Dallas needs to find a package that keeps linebackers on the field, to defense the run, and yet offer the best matchups against Ward.

I think Wade Phillips will take a page from his Packers game plan and go with a tweaked 3-4-4 set. In that game, Phillips made Ken Hamlin the lone safety and matched Henry, Newman and Jones up with the three Packers' wideouts. I would not be at all surprised if the Cowboys did the same thing Sunday, with Jones and Henry manning the corners and Newman shadowing Ward in the slots.

Dallas would then keep seven men on the line. This would not only help them slow the run, but would give them the maximum flexibility with blitz packages. They could rush the the base set, run inside twists with Bradie James, a tactic that has worked very well against the Steelers interior line, or to walk James next to one of the OLBs and play the "Bum," Dallas' version of the old Bears 46 defense.

The one vulnerability in this scheme will be Miller against the Cowboys' linebackers. Miller is the best overall TE in the AFC, and the Steelers use him the same way Dallas uses Jason Witten, flexing him into the backfield, setting him up in the traditional TE position and splitting him out wide on sure passing downs. They don't throw to him as often as Dallas does to Witten, but Miller's YPC is similar -- 11.9 to Witten's 12.2.

The Cowboys may be willing to surrender throws to Miller in order to corral the running game and Ward. The Seahawks' John Carlson had a huge game last week, but the rest of his team didn't do much. The coaches may also feel that the linebackers are no worse in coverage than Keith Davis and that their rushing skills and size make them better bets against runs.

If the Cowboys can get Pittsburgh into 3rd-and-long on a consistent basis, the Henry Nickel offers the ideal personnel to stop the Steelers. I'll repeat, the Steelers don't change their personnel when they have long distances to cover. They simply flex Miller out in space, to give a four WR look, with Miller as the second slot receiver. They'll occasionally motion the RB out wide to give an empty look.

In these situations the Henry package looks strong: Jones will remain on the left corner. Newman will move to RCB and Orlando Scandrick will play in the slot. They will each take a Steelers' WR man-to-man, with two safeties behind them. Henry will match up with Miller and Burnett will have coverage responsibilty for the RB.

If Dallas does use this package, look for Henry or Scandrick to blitz from the slot. Henry turned the Packers game with two sacks coming from the edge. I expect Dallas to use every varation of blitz they can muster. Steelers' QBs have been sacked 36 times this year, a nice, round 3.0 a game.

Adam Jones' return and Terence Newman's return to better health mean the Cowboys can press in the secondary and pressure up front. They way the Cowboys have been rushing lately, Pac's return could well bring the Packers-game plan back.

 
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No, I'm not Vela. I do like his stuff. He's the best on the web that I've found. He sees many things that I dont. There are some things that I see that he doesnt comment on. So whatever thats worth.

 
No, I'm not Vela. I do like his stuff. He's the best on the web that I've found. He sees many things that I dont. There are some things that I see that he doesnt comment on. So whatever thats worth.
Cool, I just noticed some similarities in observations and the way you both write.Obviously, you both know your ball. I can tell.
 
No, I'm not Vela. I do like his stuff. He's the best on the web that I've found. He sees many things that I dont. There are some things that I see that he doesnt comment on. So whatever thats worth.
Cool, I just noticed some similarities in observations and the way you both write.Obviously, you both know your ball. I can tell.
Thats kind of you to say. But I'm not close to his skill as either an analyst or a writer. A lot of times he'll mention something and it will trigger a thought for me. I may take the base of a point he makes and expound upon it in a different direction. But like I said, he's the best around and a great benefit to anyone wanting to understand the Cowboys.For the defensive analysis, if you're paying attention, you'll see the sets Dallas typically uses against certain offensive packages. Its fun to watch a game a second time and hone in on some things. You see a lot more when you're not worried about whats going to happen.
 
No, I'm not Vela. I do like his stuff. He's the best on the web that I've found. He sees many things that I dont. There are some things that I see that he doesnt comment on. So whatever thats worth.
Cool, I just noticed some similarities in observations and the way you both write.Obviously, you both know your ball. I can tell.
Thats kind of you to say. But I'm not close to his skill as either an analyst or a writer. A lot of times he'll mention something and it will trigger a thought for me. I may take the base of a point he makes and expound upon it in a different direction. But like I said, he's the best around and a great benefit to anyone wanting to understand the Cowboys.For the defensive analysis, if you're paying attention, you'll see the sets Dallas typically uses against certain offensive packages. Its fun to watch a game a second time and hone in on some things. You see a lot more when you're not worried about whats going to happen.
I have noticed. Henry matched up on TE's is very effective as have been our slot blitzes as you have mentioned.It was funny, I was trying to figure out the recent changes from a couple of weeks ago by re-watching on my DVR. I couldn't figure it out until you posted that it was a 46 defense (I know Vela caught it too), but I read your take first and I was impressed. I wish the NFL would offer the "all 22" camera angle. I would pay to have access to this.
 
It was funny, I was trying to figure out the recent changes from a couple of weeks ago by re-watching on my DVR. I couldn't figure it out until you posted that it was a 46 defense (I know Vela caught it too), but I read your take first and I was impressed. I wish the NFL would offer the "all 22" camera angle. I would pay to have access to this.
I would LOVE a "22" camera. Then you could really see the WR/DB matchups. See the route patterns, combinations. See who in the secondary is really screwing up on a play. All kinds of stuff.The 46 defense example is a perfect one on Dr. Vela and my differences. I had noticed during the game that James was walking down to the LOS, but inside the OLB. This really flattened out the line and made a 6 man front. I noticed that Burnett was the LB on those running downs too, plays he's not normally in on. You could see how well Ratliff and Ware were able to get isolated on single Olinemen, in Ratliff's case against an inexperienced center. A total mismatch. It was buzzing in my mind all night where I had seen that set before. It was Dr. Vela who recognized it as the 46 defense from the Bears and Eagles. And he quite eloquently dissected the old Bears defense and compared it to the current Cowboy players. Really well written stuff. So these are some of the differences between Raf and me.
 
FWIW, Folk vs. Reed, in Pittsburgh, in December, is a slam dunk advantage to Pittsburgh.
:goodposting: 2008 statsReed is 7/8 from 40-49 ydsand 1/2 from 50+ ydsFolk is 8/9 from 40-49and 2/2 from 50+ ydsI fail to see how Reed is a slam dunk advantage to Pittsburgh
No visting kicker has made more than 1 FG in a game in Heinz Field during November or December since 2004.
I'm as much of a Steeler homer as anyone, but that's a misleading stat. It's due as much to the Steeler dominance at home as it is the kicking conditions. I did a quick look back and saw only 3 games in that period where the visitors attempted more than 1 FG in a game (Kaeding, Graham and Carney were all 1/2). It may be the conditions convinced coaches to not even try, but more likely it's a combination of those conditions, the fact that the Steel Curtain hasn't allowed offenses to get in range and that late in games the Steelers were far enough ahead that teams needed 7 points, not 3.
 
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FWIW, Folk vs. Reed, in Pittsburgh, in December, is a slam dunk advantage to Pittsburgh.
:hifive: 2008 statsReed is 7/8 from 40-49 ydsand 1/2 from 50+ ydsFolk is 8/9 from 40-49and 2/2 from 50+ ydsI fail to see how Reed is a slam dunk advantage to Pittsburgh
No visting kicker has made more than 1 FG in a game in Heinz Field during November or December since 2004.
I'm as much of a Steeler homer as anyone, but that's a misleading stat. It's due as much to the Steeler dominance at home as it is the kicking conditions. I did a quick look back and saw only 3 games in that period where the visitors attempted more than 1 FG in a game (Kaeding, Graham and Carney were all 1/2). It may be the conditions convinced coaches to not even try, but more likely it's a combination of those conditions, the fact that the Steel Curtain hasn't allowed offenses to get in range and that late in games the Steelers were far enough ahead that teams needed 7 points, not 3.
I hear ya. But call it snow, bad weather, dominance at home, etc. It doesnt change the fact that Heinz is murder for visiting kickers this time of year. Theres no way Im starting Folk this weekend.
 
It hasn't been made official yet, but the Cowboys are going to activate RB Alonzo Coleman from the practice squad before 3pm CT tomorrow. Not a good indication as to their hopes for Barber. Barber may still give it a try, but it doesn't sound good.

 
It hasn't been made official yet, but the Cowboys are going to activate RB Alonzo Coleman from the practice squad before 3pm CT tomorrow. Not a good indication as to their hopes for Barber. Barber may still give it a try, but it doesn't sound good.
That does say a lot as I know the coaches have been very mixed on Coleman's performance. Fire up the Choice bandwagon.
 
It hasn't been made official yet, but the Cowboys are going to activate RB Alonzo Coleman from the practice squad before 3pm CT tomorrow. Not a good indication as to their hopes for Barber. Barber may still give it a try, but it doesn't sound good.
That does say a lot as I know the coaches have been very mixed on Coleman's performance.
Yep. Plus they're going to have to cut somebody to do it. No more candidates left to place on IR to open the roster spot.
 
Boy if Barber is out you can take the Steelers -3 to the bank. If he is out I can't see Tony Romo coming into Heinz in this weather against this D and slinging it 40-50 times to produce a win. To me that spells turnovers galore. We'll see.

 
other than fantasy, I got no dog in this fight.

my takes.

dallas won't run on Pitt.

dallas will have some turnovers

dallas can throw the ball IF romo doesn't hold the ball too long waiting on deep routes and run around back there.

dallas will have more penalties

pitt doesn't have the big play potential as dallas

pitt can control the ball and clock if they play smart.

pitt will out coach dallas

any bad weather will favor pitt

I like Pitt somewhere around 27-17.

 
Steelers 27 Cowboys 10 (with the Cowboys TD coming in garbage time)

Romo hasn't seen a defense like this yet, the Cowboys are practicing indoors even though it's going to be brutal out there on Sunday, it's December. This one will be ugly. The only way that Dallas even stays in the game is if Ben gives them a few gifts deep in Steelers territory.

 
Ridgelake - if you to choose between Holmes and Ward, who would you pick for this game?
You really think that they're going to be able to throw deep to Holmes in a bad weather game against that pass rush? To me it's Ward who has the better numbers, and it's probably not even close.
 
Miller > Ward> Holmes > Washington

We are vulnerable in the soft middle of this defense. Miller and Ward are the most likely beneficiaries.

 
Ridgelake - if you to choose between Holmes and Ward, who would you pick for this game?
You really think that they're going to be able to throw deep to Holmes in a bad weather game against that pass rush? To me it's Ward who has the better numbers, and it's probably not even close.
Agreed Ward is the play here he will make some tough catches over the middle and catch alot of short and intermediate routes. Holmes will really have to work hard this game to put up any type of respectable numbers.
 
Pittsburgh sure is yapping a lot this week. First Big Ben on Romo now this clown.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...rs-clar-1.html

Steelers' Clark says he'd make the same hit on T.O.

Steelers safety Ryan Clark has a message for Cowboys WR Terrell Owens: You could be next.

Just days after the NFL cleared him of wrongdoing in a hard hit that knocked Patriots WR Wes Welker out of last Sunday's game, Clark said he'd make the same hit on the Cowboys' top receiver if he has the chance.

"I try to hit everybody," Clark told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "I don't care which one. I'll take them all, I don't turn any of them down. We're just going to go out there and play.

"If that opportunity presents itself [against Owens], of course you take that shot. But if you have to tackle him by his shoestring, I'll take that one too, as long as he gets to the ground."

Clark was not fined or flagged for the hit on Welker. The NFL said the hit was within the rules as Clark did not lead with his helmet.

Owens waved off Clark's message when approached by the Dallas Morning News.

"I don't worry about it," Owens said. "I've got a helmet, too."

 
Ridgelake - if you to choose between Holmes and Ward, who would you pick for this game?
You really think that they're going to be able to throw deep to Holmes in a bad weather game against that pass rush? To me it's Ward who has the better numbers, and it's probably not even close.
Agreed Ward is the play here he will make some tough catches over the middle and catch alot of short and intermediate routes. Holmes will really have to work hard this game to put up any type of respectable numbers.
In a PPR, it would be Ward. But I don't know the Steelers personnel well enough to make a really informed decision. The WR who's given Dallas the most trouble over the years is Santana Moss. Holmes has a similar game. On the other hand, Dallas has consistently shut down Steve Smith. So your guess is as good as mine on this one.
 
Miller > Ward> Holmes > Washington
That would be my guess as well. But every now and then someone will get deep. Holmes and Washington are the ones to do that normally for Pittsburgh. But on a cold, windy track, I would not count on that happening.
 
Ridgelake - if you to choose between Holmes and Ward, who would you pick for this game?
You really think that they're going to be able to throw deep to Holmes in a bad weather game against that pass rush? To me it's Ward who has the better numbers, and it's probably not even close.
Agreed Ward is the play here he will make some tough catches over the middle and catch alot of short and intermediate routes. Holmes will really have to work hard this game to put up any type of respectable numbers.
In a PPR, it would be Ward. But I don't know the Steelers personnel well enough to make a really informed decision. The WR who's given Dallas the most trouble over the years is Santana Moss. Holmes has a similar game. On the other hand, Dallas has consistently shut down Steve Smith. So your guess is as good as mine on this one.
I don't see the comparison between Moss and Holmes. Holmes has comparable straight line speed, but Moss is also a great route runner with tremendous quickness in and out of breaks. It's those last two things more than anything that cause him to have big games. Either way, I wouldn't expect Moss to have a big game either in that matchup for the reasons stated.
 
Bankerguy said:
Pittsburgh sure is yapping a lot this week. First Big Ben on Romo now this clown.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...rs-clar-1.html

Steelers' Clark says he'd make the same hit on T.O.

Steelers safety Ryan Clark has a message for Cowboys WR Terrell Owens: You could be next.

Just days after the NFL cleared him of wrongdoing in a hard hit that knocked Patriots WR Wes Welker out of last Sunday's game, Clark said he'd make the same hit on the Cowboys' top receiver if he has the chance.

"I try to hit everybody," Clark told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "I don't care which one. I'll take them all, I don't turn any of them down. We're just going to go out there and play.

"If that opportunity presents itself [against Owens], of course you take that shot. But if you have to tackle him by his shoestring, I'll take that one too, as long as he gets to the ground."

Clark was not fined or flagged for the hit on Welker. The NFL said the hit was within the rules as Clark did not lead with his helmet.

Owens waved off Clark's message when approached by the Dallas Morning News.

"I don't worry about it," Owens said. "I've got a helmet, too."
I think Clark would bounce off Owens, who is a tad bigger than Welker.
 
Bankerguy said:
Pittsburgh sure is yapping a lot this week. First Big Ben on Romo now this clown.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...rs-clar-1.html

Steelers' Clark says he'd make the same hit on T.O.

Steelers safety Ryan Clark has a message for Cowboys WR Terrell Owens: You could be next.

Just days after the NFL cleared him of wrongdoing in a hard hit that knocked Patriots WR Wes Welker out of last Sunday's game, Clark said he'd make the same hit on the Cowboys' top receiver if he has the chance.

"I try to hit everybody," Clark told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "I don't care which one. I'll take them all, I don't turn any of them down. We're just going to go out there and play.

"If that opportunity presents itself [against Owens], of course you take that shot. But if you have to tackle him by his shoestring, I'll take that one too, as long as he gets to the ground."

Clark was not fined or flagged for the hit on Welker. The NFL said the hit was within the rules as Clark did not lead with his helmet.

Owens waved off Clark's message when approached by the Dallas Morning News.

"I don't worry about it," Owens said. "I've got a helmet, too."
I think Clark would bounce off Owens, who is a tad bigger than Welker.
Wes Welker - 5'9" 185 lbs.Terrell Owens - 6'3" 218 lbs.

 
Bankerguy said:
Pittsburgh sure is yapping a lot this week. First Big Ben on Romo now this clown.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...rs-clar-1.html

Steelers' Clark says he'd make the same hit on T.O.

Steelers safety Ryan Clark has a message for Cowboys WR Terrell Owens: You could be next.

Just days after the NFL cleared him of wrongdoing in a hard hit that knocked Patriots WR Wes Welker out of last Sunday's game, Clark said he'd make the same hit on the Cowboys' top receiver if he has the chance.

"I try to hit everybody," Clark told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "I don't care which one. I'll take them all, I don't turn any of them down. We're just going to go out there and play.

"If that opportunity presents itself [against Owens], of course you take that shot. But if you have to tackle him by his shoestring, I'll take that one too, as long as he gets to the ground."

Clark was not fined or flagged for the hit on Welker. The NFL said the hit was within the rules as Clark did not lead with his helmet.

Owens waved off Clark's message when approached by the Dallas Morning News.

"I don't worry about it," Owens said. "I've got a helmet, too."
I don't really care to argue about this, but this statement is about as non-inflamatory as they come. A DB say's he'd take a shot at a WR if he gets the chance.... no way! And the bolded part really sounds disrespectful toward Owens :goodposting:

 
Bankerguy said:
Pittsburgh sure is yapping a lot this week. First Big Ben on Romo now this clown.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...rs-clar-1.html

Steelers' Clark says he'd make the same hit on T.O.

Steelers safety Ryan Clark has a message for Cowboys WR Terrell Owens: You could be next.

Just days after the NFL cleared him of wrongdoing in a hard hit that knocked Patriots WR Wes Welker out of last Sunday's game, Clark said he'd make the same hit on the Cowboys' top receiver if he has the chance.

"I try to hit everybody," Clark told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "I don't care which one. I'll take them all, I don't turn any of them down. We're just going to go out there and play.

"If that opportunity presents itself [against Owens], of course you take that shot. But if you have to tackle him by his shoestring, I'll take that one too, as long as he gets to the ground."

Clark was not fined or flagged for the hit on Welker. The NFL said the hit was within the rules as Clark did not lead with his helmet.

Owens waved off Clark's message when approached by the Dallas Morning News.

"I don't worry about it," Owens said. "I've got a helmet, too."
I don't really care to argue about this, but this statement is about as non-inflamatory as they come. A DB say's he'd take a shot at a WR if he gets the chance.... no way! And the bolded part really sounds disrespectful toward Owens :lmao:
I know.It's bulletin board material for me the fan.

I"m fired up.

:unsure:

 
For those thinking that Pittsburgh is going to blow away the Cowboys, here's a stat you might consider. In road games that Romo has started that mattered (excludes week 17 last year, but includes playoffs), Romo is 15-3. The 3 losses are as follows:

11/5/06 @ Washington. The score was tied with 6 seconds left. Romo had Dallas in position to kick the winning FG. Vanderjerk's 35 yard FG was blocked. During the scramble for the ball, Washington picked it up and a guy was called for a facemask. With the penalty yardage added on, the ball was moved into Dallas territory where Washington was allowed a FG attempt after time had expired. This 47 yarder was good and Washington won by 3.

1/6/07 @ Seattle in Wildcard playoff game. This is the famous Romo fumbled extra-point distance FG snap game where the ball slipped through his hands on the game-winning FG with about 1 minute left.

10/12/08 @ Arizona. This is the overtime game that Arizona won on the blocked punt that was recovered in the endzone. Its also the game where Romo broke his hand.

These are the only losses Dallas has had on the road with Romo as the starting QB. He has won every other road start. Obviously, they all came down to the last minute and were determined by fluke plays. Now this is a sample size of only 18 meaningful games. But its a large enough sample size that you can start to draw some conclusions. It is unlikely Dallas will get blown out on the road. They might lose, but its been a fluke play that lost the game each time. There's always a first time for everything though.

 
For those thinking that Pittsburgh is going to blow away the Cowboys, here's a stat you might consider. In road games that Romo has started that mattered (excludes week 17 last year, but includes playoffs), Romo is 15-3. The 3 losses are as follows:11/5/06 @ Washington. The score was tied with 6 seconds left. Romo had Dallas in position to kick the winning FG. Vanderjerk's 35 yard FG was blocked. During the scramble for the ball, Washington picked it up and a guy was called for a facemask. With the penalty yardage added on, the ball was moved into Dallas territory where Washington was allowed a FG attempt after time had expired. This 47 yarder was good and Washington won by 3.1/6/07 @ Seattle in Wildcard playoff game. This is the famous Romo fumbled extra-point distance FG snap game where the ball slipped through his hands on the game-winning FG with about 1 minute left.10/12/08 @ Arizona. This is the overtime game that Arizona won on the blocked punt that was recovered in the endzone. Its also the game where Romo broke his hand.These are the only losses Dallas has had on the road with Romo as the starting QB. He has won every other road start. Obviously, they all came down to the last minute and were determined by fluke plays. Now this is a sample size of only 18 meaningful games. But its a large enough sample size that you can start to draw some conclusions. It is unlikely Dallas will get blown out on the road. They might lose, but its been a fluke play that lost the game each time. There's always a first time for everything though.
2008 Steelers Defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2006 Redskins Defense, 2006 Seattle Defense, 2008 Arizona DefensePittsburgh in December>>>>>>>>>>Seattle>>>>>>>>Washington>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arizona
 
For those thinking that Pittsburgh is going to blow away the Cowboys, here's a stat you might consider. In road games that Romo has started that mattered (excludes week 17 last year, but includes playoffs), Romo is 15-3. The 3 losses are as follows:11/5/06 @ Washington. The score was tied with 6 seconds left. Romo had Dallas in position to kick the winning FG. Vanderjerk's 35 yard FG was blocked. During the scramble for the ball, Washington picked it up and a guy was called for a facemask. With the penalty yardage added on, the ball was moved into Dallas territory where Washington was allowed a FG attempt after time had expired. This 47 yarder was good and Washington won by 3.1/6/07 @ Seattle in Wildcard playoff game. This is the famous Romo fumbled extra-point distance FG snap game where the ball slipped through his hands on the game-winning FG with about 1 minute left.10/12/08 @ Arizona. This is the overtime game that Arizona won on the blocked punt that was recovered in the endzone. Its also the game where Romo broke his hand.These are the only losses Dallas has had on the road with Romo as the starting QB. He has won every other road start. Obviously, they all came down to the last minute and were determined by fluke plays. Now this is a sample size of only 18 meaningful games. But its a large enough sample size that you can start to draw some conclusions. It is unlikely Dallas will get blown out on the road. They might lose, but its been a fluke play that lost the game each time. There's always a first time for everything though.
So we don't grade Romo down for close losses. Does this mean that we don't give him credit for close road wins? :2cents:
 
So we don't grade Romo down for close losses. Does this mean that we don't give him credit for close road wins? :unsure:
It has nothing to do with upgrading or downgrading Romo. The point of the post was to show that Dallas has not been blown out by anyone on the road in a meaningful game with Romo under center. Dont expect it here.
 
So we don't grade Romo down for close losses. Does this mean that we don't give him credit for close road wins? :unsure:
It has nothing to do with upgrading or downgrading Romo. The point of the post was to show that Dallas has not been blown out by anyone on the road in a meaningful game with Romo under center. Dont expect it here.
No, you made it a point to describe each game and how fluky you thought it was. Now go ahead and describe Romo's fluky road wins. Otherwise, you come off as one of those guys who's arguing, "If you just take away his 87-yard run . . ."
 
So we don't grade Romo down for close losses. Does this mean that we don't give him credit for close road wins? :unsure:
It has nothing to do with upgrading or downgrading Romo. The point of the post was to show that Dallas has not been blown out by anyone on the road in a meaningful game with Romo under center. Dont expect it here.
No, you made it a point to describe each game and how fluky you thought it was. Now go ahead and describe Romo's fluky road wins. Otherwise, you come off as one of those guys who's arguing, "If you just take away his 87-yard run . . ."
Probably the biggest fluke win was last year at Buffalo on Monday night. Romo was terrible that game, with about 6 turnovers, including 2 that were returned for TDs. Romo was somehow able to get points on the board to make it close at the end. A miracle onside kick gave Dallas the ball back with about 30 seconds. One or two plays with a really stupid defense by the Bills that let Dallas get about a 20 yard play and out of bounds set up Nick Folk for his game winning 53 yard dobule kick. The one where he made it but a time out was called. So he walked up and nailed it again right down the middle. Romo was absolutely aweful and Dallas should have been blown out. But somehow Dallas was able to sneak out the win. A fluke victory no doubt.Tinker Bell, does that make you happy? Think that adds a lot to the discussion? Think that alters the point of my original post of this mini-thread?
 
Bankerguy said:
Pittsburgh sure is yapping a lot this week. First Big Ben on Romo....
What did Ben say?
Was critical of Romo and his apparent lifestyle etc (Later said he was joking about it).This coming the poster boy for why NFL QB's should not own a motor cycle. He also dated that hot blond golfer (Can't remember her name).
He wasn't critical of Romo's lifestyle. He said "He's dating high-profile, he's doing all the stuff he wants to do. That's the life that he chooses to live off the football field, and that's his choice."Pretty lame BB stuff and it will have zero affect on the game.
 
So we don't grade Romo down for close losses. Does this mean that we don't give him credit for close road wins? :whoosh:
It has nothing to do with upgrading or downgrading Romo. The point of the post was to show that Dallas has not been blown out by anyone on the road in a meaningful game with Romo under center. Dont expect it here.
No, you made it a point to describe each game and how fluky you thought it was. Now go ahead and describe Romo's fluky road wins. Otherwise, you come off as one of those guys who's arguing, "If you just take away his 87-yard run . . ."
Probably the biggest fluke win was last year at Buffalo on Monday night. Romo was terrible that game, with about 6 turnovers, including 2 that were returned for TDs. Romo was somehow able to get points on the board to make it close at the end. A miracle onside kick gave Dallas the ball back with about 30 seconds. One or two plays with a really stupid defense by the Bills that let Dallas get about a 20 yard play and out of bounds set up Nick Folk for his game winning 53 yard dobule kick. The one where he made it but a time out was called. So he walked up and nailed it again right down the middle. Romo was absolutely aweful and Dallas should have been blown out. But somehow Dallas was able to sneak out the win. A fluke victory no doubt.Tinker Bell, does that make you happy? Think that adds a lot to the discussion? Think that alters the point of my original post of this mini-thread?
I was at that game...amazing comeback. Never seen a home crowd turn from delight to hell so quickly. The Detroit game last year was similar. A late Witten TD saved the Cowboys 28-27 I believe.
 
For those thinking that Pittsburgh is going to blow away the Cowboys, here's a stat you might consider. In road games that Romo has started that mattered (excludes week 17 last year, but includes playoffs), Romo is 15-3. The 3 losses are as follows:

11/5/06 @ Washington. The score was tied with 6 seconds left. Romo had Dallas in position to kick the winning FG. Vanderjerk's 35 yard FG was blocked. During the scramble for the ball, Washington picked it up and a guy was called for a facemask. With the penalty yardage added on, the ball was moved into Dallas territory where Washington was allowed a FG attempt after time had expired. This 47 yarder was good and Washington won by 3.

1/6/07 @ Seattle in Wildcard playoff game. This is the famous Romo fumbled extra-point distance FG snap game where the ball slipped through his hands on the game-winning FG with about 1 minute left.

10/12/08 @ Arizona. This is the overtime game that Arizona won on the blocked punt that was recovered in the endzone. Its also the game where Romo broke his hand.

These are the only losses Dallas has had on the road with Romo as the starting QB. He has won every other road start. Obviously, they all came down to the last minute and were determined by fluke plays. Now this is a sample size of only 18 meaningful games. But its a large enough sample size that you can start to draw some conclusions. It is unlikely Dallas will get blown out on the road. They might lose, but its been a fluke play that lost the game each time. There's always a first time for everything though.
I dont think anyone is seriously predicting a blowout. Personally, I cant remember the last time I was this excited for a regular season game. Should be a great one.
 
Bankerguy said:
Pittsburgh sure is yapping a lot this week. First Big Ben on Romo now this clown.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...rs-clar-1.html

Steelers' Clark says he'd make the same hit on T.O.

Steelers safety Ryan Clark has a message for Cowboys WR Terrell Owens: You could be next.

Just days after the NFL cleared him of wrongdoing in a hard hit that knocked Patriots WR Wes Welker out of last Sunday's game, Clark said he'd make the same hit on the Cowboys' top receiver if he has the chance.

"I try to hit everybody," Clark told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "I don't care which one. I'll take them all, I don't turn any of them down. We're just going to go out there and play.

"If that opportunity presents itself [against Owens], of course you take that shot. But if you have to tackle him by his shoestring, I'll take that one too, as long as he gets to the ground."

Clark was not fined or flagged for the hit on Welker. The NFL said the hit was within the rules as Clark did not lead with his helmet.

Owens waved off Clark's message when approached by the Dallas Morning News.

"I don't worry about it," Owens said. "I've got a helmet, too."
I don't really care to argue about this, but this statement is about as non-inflamatory as they come. A DB say's he'd take a shot at a WR if he gets the chance.... no way! And the bolded part really sounds disrespectful toward Owens :lmao:
:lmao: ......I hope this is a joke because I don't see how Clark's comments could possibly be construed as offensive or trash talking in any way.
 
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Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

Yesterday I asked ESPN Stats & Information to do a comparison of Ben Roethlisberger's and Tony Romo's career passing numbers in the fourth quarter. Romo has been at his best when the game's on the line with a passer rating of 107.2 in the fourth quarter. He's thrown 20 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

Big Ben has played more than Romo, but he's thrown 19 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. He has a 79.1 passer rating. If the Cowboys keep it close heading into the fourth quarter, I like their chances with Romo.

 
WOW just took a peak at the Steelers remaining and this is as big of a game for them as it is for Dallas. At Baltimore at Tenn this could be the start of a 3 game slide real easy if they do not watch out. Of coarse the same can be said for Dallas as well. HUGE GAME!!! Hope this f'n weather does not decide the game. Let's see who the best team is without the BS weather. I know the Pitt fans are praying for bad weather.

 

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