griff321
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It's still a terrible trade. You left a lot of value on the table.
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Steelers Extend Antonio Brown (1 Viewer)
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Tyranny
Footballguy
Last six weeks after the bye week;
Antonio Brown
Week GS Rec Yds Avg Lng Td
12 0 4 81 20.3 34 0
13 0 2 67 33.5 45 0
14 1 5 151 30.2 79 1
15 1 5 59 11.8 24 0
16 0 3 34 11.3 19 0
17 0 6 90 15.0 40 0
Total 25 482 19.28 1
Mike Wallace
Week
12 0 2 17 8.5 9 0
13 1 3 38 12.7 19T 2
14 1 4 57 14.3 22 0
15 1 5 66 13.2 36 0
16 0 4 82 20.5 46 0
17 1 1 11 11.0 11 0
Total 19 271 14.27 2
Look as though when they were both getting similar snaps at the end of the season Brown had better stats
All season; Rushes
AB TOTAL 16 3 69 1,108 16.1 79 2 7 41 5.9
MW TOTAL 16 14 72 1,193 16.6 95 8 5 57 11.4
Early in the season Wallace was clearly superior but Brown was better in the last part. The players were pretty equal but Brown also works on special teams and was the MVP of the team.
Would love for Mike Wallace to play and stay with the Steelers but I am ok with the Brown signing
Antonio Brown
Week GS Rec Yds Avg Lng Td
12 0 4 81 20.3 34 0
13 0 2 67 33.5 45 0
14 1 5 151 30.2 79 1
15 1 5 59 11.8 24 0
16 0 3 34 11.3 19 0
17 0 6 90 15.0 40 0
Total 25 482 19.28 1
Mike Wallace
Week
12 0 2 17 8.5 9 0
13 1 3 38 12.7 19T 2
14 1 4 57 14.3 22 0
15 1 5 66 13.2 36 0
16 0 4 82 20.5 46 0
17 1 1 11 11.0 11 0
Total 19 271 14.27 2
Look as though when they were both getting similar snaps at the end of the season Brown had better stats
All season; Rushes
AB TOTAL 16 3 69 1,108 16.1 79 2 7 41 5.9
MW TOTAL 16 14 72 1,193 16.6 95 8 5 57 11.4
Early in the season Wallace was clearly superior but Brown was better in the last part. The players were pretty equal but Brown also works on special teams and was the MVP of the team.
Would love for Mike Wallace to play and stay with the Steelers but I am ok with the Brown signing
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Green Bay got Jordy for 3/$25m last season...5/$42 for Brown seems about right with a couple more years added and they get him for the best years of his career. Pittsburgh showing how champions field a team for 40 years now.
I hate Pittsburgh and their stinking players but you have to respect that front office and the way they do things in Pittsburgh.
And good for Brown, good story for young prospects. He was a blip on the radar a year or two ago, now look where he is at. Combination of hard work, good attitude, great organization, and a big time QB.
I hate Pittsburgh and their stinking players but you have to respect that front office and the way they do things in Pittsburgh.
And good for Brown, good story for young prospects. He was a blip on the radar a year or two ago, now look where he is at. Combination of hard work, good attitude, great organization, and a big time QB.
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Kleck
Footballguy
Jordy signed a 4 year, $14M deal last year. It replaced his current contract that was set to expire after the 2011 season and added three more years.Steal...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Oh wow that was a steal. Thanks for the info, thought it was 3 years...Jordy gonna be 30 before he is a FA.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Mike Wallace is now mike lollace
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
As a Bears fan with family ties to Cleveland I hate the Steelers, but I have the highest respect for the way they have run and continue to run their organization.
If we're taking sides on Wallace & Brown, I like both and have owned both. It's obvious to me that Wallace is better but Brown is damn good in his own right. The interesting thing is that we may find out how Brown does as the #1 with a target on his back. He may very well prove me wrong given the chance.
If we're taking sides on Wallace & Brown, I like both and have owned both. It's obvious to me that Wallace is better but Brown is damn good in his own right. The interesting thing is that we may find out how Brown does as the #1 with a target on his back. He may very well prove me wrong given the chance.
cstu
Footballguy
And they especially won't overpay for WR's. Nothing new here with the Steelers since they've shown in the past that they don't care too much about WR's. Who I think this hurts is Ben, who will be losing his best target in the red zone.'Evilgrin 72 said:Yes, team over individual. Imagine that....And they could have afforded Wallace just fine, except that he wants more than he's worth. The Steelers will pay players, they just won't overpay them, which is what they'd have been doing if they gave Wallace the money he's looking for. He's not worth "Fitzgerald money." I'm not sure if you can't see it or are just choosing not to. I'm phrasing this delicately so you don't get all upset again.'Touchdown There said:I'll notice that Steelers fans support the front office pretty much universally because they have a basement full of Steelers gear. Team over individual. That is the way it works. What you think is irrelevant, just like me.The Steelers could not afford both Wallace and Brown. They chose Brown because it fit their cap and they could not make it work, just like I stated in post #1 of the other thread.'Evilgrin 72 said:
cstu
Footballguy
when he signs a huge deal next year.
dkp993
Footballguy
Good for Brown, seems like a nice kid and has some talent, will be a solid NFL WR. But For those doubting Wallace you are severely underrating him. Dude is a STUD. Might not be Fitz or Megatron but he's the top of the tier right below them. Remember Wallace did it without out Brown. Guess we'll see if it works the other way around now. And for those who don't think Brown benefited from Wallace lining up on the other side I have 2 words for you. Anquan Boldin.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I dont see how Boldin is all that good of a comparison to Brown. For starters, his best year was before he even played with Fitzgerald. Second, Id say Joe Flacco has something to do with Boldin's numbers, especially when you consider he went from Warner to Flacco. Boldin never was a guy who depended on his speed, but I think its fallen off significantly the last few years and that hasnt helped his cause (a good comparison here may actually be Hines Ward). Brown isnt as fast as Wallace, but he's plenty fast with even better quickness. Most importantly, Boldin left Fitzgerald at 30, Brown will be playing without Wallace when he's 24. Big difference.ETA: I do pretty much agree with the rest of your post, but that "next tier" that Wallace is in is about a dozen WRs deep
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dkp993
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In no way was I comparing the physical skills of Boldin vs Brown. Clearly Brown is the quicker/ faster guy (but Boldin has the size you can't teach and Brown is no where close to it). I was simply comparing a recent team with and elite WR and a good WR whom everyone at the time called elite. You can always add 10 different variables in debate like this (QB, Age, Size, Offensive gameplans, etc etc) but the point I'm making is once Boldin left Fitz it exposed him for what he is. A good solid NFL receiver. This is what I think will become of Brown. It's no knock on him just what I see. Wallace is the elite talent and has proven it time and time again. KC Joyner from ESPN even made a case toward the end of last year that he was the #1 WR in the entire league, above Megatron ( http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7122234/nfl-why-mike-wallace-bigger-gamebreaker-calvin-johnson ). Now while I won't go this far I would say without hesitation that he's a top 5 guy and should at least be getting offered V-Jax money.
And BTW I'm a Rams Fan....
And BTW I'm a Rams Fan....
Dippa
Footballguy
Below quote is from Rotoworld today...any chance we can stop with the "Fitzgerald money" thing now? I'm getting pretty tired of reading that rumor repeated ad nauseum over the last few months...
All I've seen all over the interwebs is "Wallace wants Fitzgerald money...no way". Turns out that doesn't seem to be the case now, even IF it was a few months ago. It looks like the Steelers weren't too far off on the overall money with Wallace, but my guess is that the reason he wouldn't sign is that he was offered a backloaded cap-friendly contract similar to Brown's deal, and that wasn't acceptable to him. I think he wants to be paid more now rather than later, when they could release him before he gets the big money.Here's a good blog post that disputes this and other rumors that have been rampant with Wallace: Mike Wallace Rumors are Mounting
Is the week 10 holdout still possible under the new CBA? I thought that I remembered during the CJ holdout last year that you are required to report by a certain day or you lose that year. Or is that only for players already under contract?
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Who is the real stud WR in Pittsburgh?! Id say AB 
plastik
Footballguy
His agility and acceleration were really impressive on that TD vs the Colts. I'm thinking his low TDs last year were a fluke.. big things in store for 2012, imo.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I didn't even realize the games counted yet. Brown looks great but it's preseason.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
What metrics are you looking at for agility and burst? Serious question - I keep a spreadsheet with everyone's metrics from combine/pro day so I'm curious what you're looking at.
duaneok66
Footballguy
this point has been made many times (by Cosell and many others) that timed speed and game speed are two totally different things.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Sure, that's pretty obvious but I'm still curious what makes someone say he's got elite level burst. Are there numbers to back it up or just an opinion based on eyeball test? His 3 cone, 20 yard shuttle and 10 yard dash are in the upper echelon of WRs but certainly not the best. He's up there though.
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Insoxicated
Psshht... Real sharks are snapping him up in the 9th
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
LOL, fair enough. Talk about elite - Larry Fitzgerald KILLED his broad jump with 139 inches - about 5 inches farther than anyone on my list of WRs (my list has 98 WRs). He also is tied for the highest verticle at 42.5 inches. And since we're in the Antonio Brown thread, Mike Wallace has the most elite stats in the 10, 20 and 40 yard dash times with 1.43, 2.45 and 4.28 respectively. THAT is elite.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Correction, Jacoby Ford actually nudges out Brown on the 20 and 40 yard dash with times of 2.44 and 4.22 respectively. Darrius Heyward-Bey and Johnny Knox round out the top 4 in those metrics with both timing under 4.3 in their 40s. Those are some incredible times, yet only 1 of those players has "proved" it on the field so far.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Thanks and yes, I'm with you. Elite is elite and includes only a few. I sometimes use the term "near elite" when a guy's metrics are close. Like Kendall Wright, a few of his pro day metrics are "near elite" but not quite there. I do think he'll make a very good WR though and traded for him in one of my dynasty leagues.
plastik
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm super high on Brown, but agree that 'elite' may be a slight stretch. Though in terms of burst, agility, and instincts, his TD vs the Colts is worth a watch.
The move he makes around 5 secs into the play is pretty sick. The blocking was decent on the play, but for the most part Brown made that TD happen.
The move he makes around 5 secs into the play is pretty sick. The blocking was decent on the play, but for the most part Brown made that TD happen.
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