Steelers Receivers (1 Viewer)

[Zeff]

Packers crew is better.

Saints crew is even better.

Agreed. Especially with Sproles in the mix.Free tip - Pick up and play the Chiefs Defense the next two weeks. Look at who they play! Sweet!

I feel like it's a whole 'nother opera when you start to talk about RB's in the mix. If you do, then for that argument, I think you push the Eagles over the top. None of these other teams in the discussion have both the top-to-bottom talent and depth of the Eagles AND a playmaker like Shady out of the backfield.Talking just WR and TE, I maintain that the Cowboys have the best talent in the league. Not far ahead of GB or Philly. A little further ahead of PIT and NO. Add in RB, and I think the pendulum swings to Philly in a big way.

 

[treat88]

Packers crew is better.

Saints crew is even better.

Agreed. Especially with Sproles in the mix.Free tip - Pick up and play the Chiefs Defense the next two weeks. Look at who they play! Sweet!

I feel like it's a whole 'nother opera when you start to talk about RB's in the mix. If you do, then for that argument, I think you push the Eagles over the top. None of these other teams in the discussion have both the top-to-bottom talent and depth of the Eagles AND a playmaker like Shady out of the backfield.Talking just WR and TE, I maintain that the Cowboys have the best talent in the league. Not far ahead of GB or Philly. A little further ahead of PIT and NO. Add in RB, and I think the pendulum swings to Philly in a big way.

I think the whole discussion of the Philly receivers hinges on what one thinks of Jackson.Maclin is, for me, easily the most accomplished "#2" of those in question. Bryant may have the highest ceiling but Maclin has put together a couple very solid seasons. My order would be Maclin, Nelson, Brown, and Robinson Jackson tho, I don't know. He's displayed his elite deep speed, but has been very inconsistent. He drops some awfully easy catches and seems to be laying up this season and waiting for a payday. I think Austin, Jennings, and Wallace are substantially ahead of him in every phase of the game.Avant is a strong #3 but lacks the explosiveness of either Sanders or Jones. Celek is light years behind Finley and Witten and substantially behind Miller. Shady is likely the 2nd best pure receiving RB in the league behind, maybe, only Sproles.I could make as strong an argument for the NYG, Indy, and Detroit groups as I could Philly.I almost think you have to include the RB position to get Philly into the discussion with GB, Pit, and Dal.

 

[AmosMoses]

Packers and it's not close.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

So for the people who say the GB corps is better than PIT, if you put Rodgers on PIT (with PITs OL), and Roethlisberger on GB (with GBs OL), do you still think the GB corps would be better? I think Rodgers makes those WRs look better, even Jennings, whereas the PIT WRs are producing more because of their talent and have their numbers somewhat limited by PITs below average OL.

The talent of Jones/Nelson/Jennings/Cobb/Driver may not exceed that of the PIT crew, (although I don't think its a slam dunk either way.) What does separate GB pass catchers from the rest of the league is the fact that Rodgers/Jennings/Nelson/Jones/Driver/Finley have been together in the same system for 4 years. It means they all are on the same page (with the possible exception of Finley occasionally). Add in the fact that Rodgers is the best QB in the game right now, and its a slam dunk for GB. Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson may have more raw talent than any pass catcher in GB, but talent doesn't always equal production or wins. GB's pass catchers do the little things right, and Rodgers knows where his guys will be at all times. Consistency is vastly underrated in this league.

 

[Reepicheep]

So for the people who say the GB corps is better than PIT, if you put Rodgers on PIT (with PITs OL), and Roethlisberger on GB (with GBs OL), do you still think the GB corps would be better? I think Rodgers makes those WRs look better, even Jennings, whereas the PIT WRs are producing more because of their talent and have their numbers somewhat limited by PITs below average OL.

The talent of Jones/Nelson/Jennings/Cobb/Driver may not exceed that of the PIT crew, (although I don't think its a slam dunk either way.) What does separate GB pass catchers from the rest of the league is the fact that Rodgers/Jennings/Nelson/Jones/Driver/Finley have been together in the same system for 4 years. It means they all are on the same page (with the possible exception of Finley occasionally). Add in the fact that Rodgers is the best QB in the game right now, and its a slam dunk for GB. Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson may have more raw talent than any pass catcher in GB, but talent doesn't always equal production or wins. GB's pass catchers do the little things right, and Rodgers knows where his guys will be at all times. Consistency is vastly underrated in this league.

If you switched Ben and Rodgers, I think the play of both would decline, at least in the short term. The Packers offense has been building towards what they are now for the past several years.

 

[treat88]

So for the people who say the GB corps is better than PIT, if you put Rodgers on PIT (with PITs OL), and Roethlisberger on GB (with GBs OL), do you still think the GB corps would be better? I think Rodgers makes those WRs look better, even Jennings, whereas the PIT WRs are producing more because of their talent and have their numbers somewhat limited by PITs below average OL.

The talent of Jones/Nelson/Jennings/Cobb/Driver may not exceed that of the PIT crew, (although I don't think its a slam dunk either way.) What does separate GB pass catchers from the rest of the league is the fact that Rodgers/Jennings/Nelson/Jones/Driver/Finley have been together in the same system for 4 years. It means they all are on the same page (with the possible exception of Finley occasionally). Add in the fact that Rodgers is the best QB in the game right now, and its a slam dunk for GB. Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson may have more raw talent than any pass catcher in GB, but talent doesn't always equal production or wins. GB's pass catchers do the little things right, and Rodgers knows where his guys will be at all times. Consistency is vastly underrated in this league.

I think this is a fair and accurate response.The first sentence of this response, is however, the heart of the discussion IMO.Best offense, GB absolutely. Most talented receivers, maybe.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

There are only 2 WRs in the league that are "clearly" better than Wallace. CJ and AJ. There are a few in Wallace's neighborhood. One is named Jennings. None are named Colston.

Right now, I'd give the nod to GB with PIT as a close second. In two years, standard progression, I think you flip that.

 

[th3f00l]

#1: Austin, Wallace, Jennings

#2: bryant, brown, nelson

#3: Jones, sanders, Robinson

#4: driver, ward, ogletree

Te: witten/finley , miller

Rb: none of them are really prolific pass catchers.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I think the whole discussion of the Philly receivers hinges on what one thinks of Jackson.Maclin is, for me, easily the most accomplished "#2" of those in question. Bryant may have the highest ceiling but Maclin has put together a couple very solid seasons. My order would be Maclin, Nelson, Brown, and Robinson Jackson tho, I don't know. He's displayed his elite deep speed, but has been very inconsistent. He drops some awfully easy catches and seems to be laying up this season and waiting for a payday. I think Austin, Jennings, and Wallace are substantially ahead of him in every phase of the game.

I think Maclin is actually their #1. I hope people still consider him their "#2" at least until next year so I can get him at a little bit of a value in drafts. I wish I wasnt scared off because of his health issues going on this offseason for my teams this year.

 

[Shawnky]

Outside of Graham the Saints aren't even in the discussion.They do have the premier receiving RB in the league and Graham is elite, but those WR's are pretty plain compared to the other groups being discussed.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Outside of Graham the Saints aren't even in the discussion.They do have the premier receiving RB in the league and Graham is elite, but those WR's are pretty plain compared to the other groups being discussed.

Whats funny? Id say that Meachem and Henderson are like a destitute man's Nelson and Jones

 

[treat88]

Outside of Graham the Saints aren't even in the discussion.They do have the premier receiving RB in the league and Graham is elite, but those WR's are pretty plain compared to the other groups being discussed.

I'll see your and raise ya a couple of microfracture procedures, a first round bust, and a set of the most inconsistent hands in the league.

 

[Shawnky]

Outside of Graham the Saints aren't even in the discussion.They do have the premier receiving RB in the league and Graham is elite, but those WR's are pretty plain compared to the other groups being discussed.

Whats funny? Id say that Meachem and Henderson are like a destitute man's Nelson and Jones

It's funny that Moore and Meachem are plain compared to Nelson and Jones or Sanders and Brown. It's freakin hilarious!

 

[Shawnky]

Outside of Graham the Saints aren't even in the discussion.They do have the premier receiving RB in the league and Graham is elite, but those WR's are pretty plain compared to the other groups being discussed.

I'll see your and raise ya a couple of microfracture procedures, a first round bust, and a set of the most inconsistent hands in the league.

Here we go again with the procedures Colston has had. Funny it hasn't stopped his production. And if you think Meachem is a bust then you should watch more football.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Outside of Graham the Saints aren't even in the discussion.They do have the premier receiving RB in the league and Graham is elite, but those WR's are pretty plain compared to the other groups being discussed.

Whats funny? Id say that Meachem and Henderson are like a destitute man's Nelson and Jones

It's funny that Moore and Meachem are plain compared to Nelson and Jones or Sanders and Brown. It's freakin hilarious!

Antonio Brown and Jordy Nelson are outpacing your #1 WR Colston. Your argument for Moore and Meachem doesn't bode well from there.

 

[Shawnky]

Outside of Graham the Saints aren't even in the discussion.They do have the premier receiving RB in the league and Graham is elite, but those WR's are pretty plain compared to the other groups being discussed.

Whats funny? Id say that Meachem and Henderson are like a destitute man's Nelson and Jones

It's funny that Moore and Meachem are plain compared to Nelson and Jones or Sanders and Brown. It's freakin hilarious!

Antonio Brown and Jordy Nelson are outpacing your #1 WR Colston. Your argument for Moore and Meachem doesn't bode well from there.

So missing 3 games with a fractured clavicle has nothing to do with the situation? That's good to know.There's no right or wrong answer here guys. But to say the Steelers and Packers are head and shoulders better than the rest just isn't true.

 

[Shawnky]

And now that I've checked, Nelson and Brown are REALLY outpacing Colston. Love that argument.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

And now that I've checked, Nelson and Brown are REALLY outpacing Colston. Love that argument.

Yes...now go and compare him to the number ones for each of those teams. That was NO's #1 as compared to GB/PIT's #2.Colston is a very good WR. He's just not as good as Jennings or Wallace. I'd probably rank NO, PHI and Dallas as 3-5 in that order. But GB/PIT are 1-2

 

[Shawnky]

And now that I've checked, Nelson and Brown are REALLY outpacing Colston. Love that argument.

Yes...now go and compare him to the number ones for each of those teams. That was NO's #1 as compared to GB/PIT's #2.Colston is a very good WR. He's just not as good as Jennings or Wallace. I'd probably rank NO, PHI and Dallas as 3-5 in that order. But GB/PIT are 1-2

And as I said he missed a few games. But let's look at this properly. Graham is NOs #1. It doesn't matter that he's considered a TE. He lines up more at WR, and TE is considered a receiver. That would make Colston #2, and he's put up similar numbers to Brown and Nelson despite missing a few games. What are Graham's numbers compared to Wallace and Jennings?

 

[AmosMoses]

Outside of Graham the Saints aren't even in the discussion.They do have the premier receiving RB in the league and Graham is elite, but those WR's are pretty plain compared to the other groups being discussed.

Whats funny? Id say that Meachem and Henderson are like a destitute man's Nelson and Jones

It's funny that Moore and Meachem are plain compared to Nelson and Jones or Sanders and Brown. It's freakin hilarious!

Antonio Brown and Jordy Nelson are outpacing your #1 WR Colston. Your argument for Moore and Meachem doesn't bode well from there.

So missing 3 games with a fractured clavicle has nothing to do with the situation? That's good to know.There's no right or wrong answer here guys. But to say the Steelers and Packers are head and shoulders better than the rest just isn't true.

You make a good point. The Saints WR1 is injury prone, while Jennings and Wallace aren't. Pluses to Packers and Steelers, another minus to Saints.

 

[sycamore]

Saints might be the best. Depth with underrated Lance Moore, Meachem and Henderson. The top TE target in the game. And a solid Colston that isn't going to wow you like Dez, DJax, and even Jennings, but he's a tough matchup for any defense with Brees feeding him. Saints > Patriots > Packers > Steelers > Eagles > Cowboys.

Moore is their WR2 and youre bringing the Saints into the discussion?! Colston isnt as good as PIT, GB, PHI, or DAL top WR either.The fact that you have NE over the rest is even more laughable. I realize their TEs are very good, but overall they arent even close and there's a reason why youre the first person to bring them up.

The thread is subtitled receivers as a whole. Tight ends do not count as receivers? I didn't get that memo. Graham is a stud, he's a top 5 "receiver" in the league in my opinion. Gronkowski and Hernandez are also effective, productive "receivers." And so what if Lance Moore is 5-9, 190 pounds, he's an effective No. 2 receiver. He's had seasons of 10 and 8 TDs. How many of those has DeSean Jackson had? I'll answer that for you. He had nine once in four years. And over the last four seasons, Moore has caught as many as Jackson. So the Eagles are the team that doesn't belong in the discussion even though I love Maclin.