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Steelers sign OT Flozell Adams (1 Viewer)
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butcher boy
Footballguy
Who names their kid Flozell?
If they put him at RT hopefully it won't be as big a problem considering he's partially deaf in his right ear and that would cause obvious problems at LT where he has been. Either way, it's a good signing for the Steelers. Adams is still a solid run blocker as well.
Crimson King
Footballguy
I agree that this is a solid signing by the Steelers and can only help the depleted O-line.
kylechoffman
Footballguy
Is this considered a bump up for mendenhall?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Just to put this in some context:
2009
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
All three gave up their fair share of penalties and sacks, but Adams was an absolute revolving door, giving up QB pressures by the busload.
2009
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
All three gave up their fair share of penalties and sacks, but Adams was an absolute revolving door, giving up QB pressures by the busload.
pghrob
Footballguy
Then it looks loke Flozell will fit in perfectly around his new team and Big Ben (and his fill in for the 1st four weeks) will feel like it's business as usual running for their lives.Just to put this in some context:
2009
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
All three gave up their fair share of penalties and sacks, but Adams was an absolute revolving door, giving up QB pressures by the busload.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Awesome use of quality stats there. I would say Flozell will help with the run game initially, however folks like Suggs are licking their chops. Leftwich is going to be abysmal early on. He already has the slowest wind up and pitch in the game, this only compounds the problem.Just to put this in some context:
2009
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
All three gave up their fair share of penalties and sacks, but Adams was an absolute revolving door, giving up QB pressures by the busload.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
ThisAwesome use of quality stats there. I would say Flozell will help with the run game initially, however folks like Suggs are licking their chops. Leftwich is going to be abysmal early on. He already has the slowest wind up and pitch in the game, this only compounds the problem.Just to put this in some context:
2009
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
All three gave up their fair share of penalties and sacks, but Adams was an absolute revolving door, giving up QB pressures by the busload.
Now to be fair to Flozell, he got high marks in the run game last year so MAYBE the Steelers can really rely on Mendenhall but I still worry that the entire offense will be derailed because no one is going to respect the pass those first six games. 
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
He is, however, by far the best run blocker of the 3, ranking 6th of 76 T last season. By comparison, Starks ranked 20th and Colon 25th. So, while not ideal, I think if they play him on the right and keep him off Ben's blind side, he was probably the best they were going to do given the circumstances. There are no numbers on Ramon Foster and Trai Essex is a hump.Just to put this in some context:
2009
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
All three gave up their fair share of penalties and sacks, but Adams was an absolute revolving door, giving up QB pressures by the busload.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Dont rule out Dennis Dixon. He was the newbie QB that went into Baltimore on a Sunday night and almost pulled out a win last year. He is cat quick. The only reason Leftwitch got "named" the starter was because he knows the system. Well, if Dixon was smart, he would have learned everything about the playbook by now, and is more athletic than Ben. He has a 4 week chance to display his talents to either be desired in a trade or sought after in free agency.
Flozell helps a lot, I dont care if he jumps offsides 15 times this year, compared to what journeyman, never played before, rookie, unsigned free agent we would have had to use, Flozell looks to be much needed and I hope the starting RT.
Chris Kemoautu is back this year, LG. Maurkice Pouncey needs to get into camp to be RG, Hartwig at C and Starks at LT.
There are a lot of NFL teams with worse OLs.
Prepare to be destroyed. Steelers always do well when everyone says they cant....and do poorly when they should win a lot. 11-5, host a playoff game, win it, then we jack up Manning in the playoffs, again.
Flozell helps a lot, I dont care if he jumps offsides 15 times this year, compared to what journeyman, never played before, rookie, unsigned free agent we would have had to use, Flozell looks to be much needed and I hope the starting RT.
Chris Kemoautu is back this year, LG. Maurkice Pouncey needs to get into camp to be RG, Hartwig at C and Starks at LT.
There are a lot of NFL teams with worse OLs.
Prepare to be destroyed. Steelers always do well when everyone says they cant....and do poorly when they should win a lot. 11-5, host a playoff game, win it, then we jack up Manning in the playoffs, again.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Love the enthusiasm but 11-5 is going to be tough. If key defensive players can stay healthy (Polamalu, Smith, Harrison, Woodley, Hampton) the defense will be among the best in the NFL. Whether or not that will be enough to get them through the first 4-6 games of the season is the question.I like the Flozell signing as this line needs all the help it can get. It shows you the Steelers are definitely trying everything to piece together an offensive line. Hopefully with all the bodies they have they can find 5 that can play.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
There is absolutely no doubt the Steelers want to run the bal morel. The problem has been that as bad as the o-line has been at pass protection their run blocking was even worse. I think Flozell will help out in that regard.As far as passing goes you are mistaken if you think Bruce Arians is going to abandon throwing the ball because he will not. I guarantee it.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Jim Wexell reports that Max Starks volunteered to move back to right tackle however the team will keep him at left tackle and put Flozell at right tackle. Probably a wise move at this point in each player's career.
Tyrion
Footballguy
Just curious. Can Starks pull? I know Flo had issues doing so due to his age and his size.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
This is clearly the wise move. Keep Flozell on the right where his pass blocking deficiencies will be somewhat mitigated by Roethlisberger's mobility/elusiveness and allow the Steelers to run successfully left or right.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Completely agree.Wood, where did you get those OL stats and do they include # of snaps?Awesome use of quality stats there.Just to put this in some context:
2009
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
All three gave up their fair share of penalties and sacks, but Adams was an absolute revolving door, giving up QB pressures by the busload.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Not really. He's 340 lbs as well and probably about as slow as Flozell. They haven't really had a lineman that can pull very effectively since Faneca left.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Best place I've found for OL stats = ProFootballFocus (www.profootballfocus.com)Completely agree.Wood, where did you get those OL stats and do they include # of snaps?Awesome use of quality stats there.Just to put this in some context:
2009
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
All three gave up their fair share of penalties and sacks, but Adams was an absolute revolving door, giving up QB pressures by the busload.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Max Starks said today he is staying at LT and Adams will compete at RT. Case closed.
Also Steelers signed Pouncey.
A very good 24 hrs for the Steelers OL.
Starks doesnt pull, he's LT, hardly ever do the Steelers require the LT to move away from base. Steelers use center and guards for that.
The Steelers came to terms on a five-year contract today with rookie Maurkice Pouncey who is on his way to training camp at Saint Vincent College.
Pouncey, who started on Florida's 2008-09 National Championship winning team, was the 18th pick overall in the 2010 draft. He is expected to compete immediately for the Steelers' right guard position, although its believed that he is in the team's long-term plans at center.
This is the sixth straight year that the Steelers have signed all of their rookies for beginning of camp. Financial terms of Puncey's contract were not yet available.
Also Steelers signed Pouncey.
A very good 24 hrs for the Steelers OL.
Starks doesnt pull, he's LT, hardly ever do the Steelers require the LT to move away from base. Steelers use center and guards for that.
The Steelers came to terms on a five-year contract today with rookie Maurkice Pouncey who is on his way to training camp at Saint Vincent College.
Pouncey, who started on Florida's 2008-09 National Championship winning team, was the 18th pick overall in the 2010 draft. He is expected to compete immediately for the Steelers' right guard position, although its believed that he is in the team's long-term plans at center.
This is the sixth straight year that the Steelers have signed all of their rookies for beginning of camp. Financial terms of Puncey's contract were not yet available.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I'm going from memory here, but I seem to recall a few times Kemoateu looking pretty decent pulling and trainwrecking some mugs in open space.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Your recall correct. It's about the only thing that Kemoeatu is good at.I'm going from memory here, but I seem to recall a few times Kemoateu looking pretty decent pulling and trainwrecking some mugs in open space.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Very interesting site. Thanks for the link.It's surprising how highly they have Jeromey Clary ranked. Marcus McNeil is overrated by many but I didn't expect him to be ranked 25 slots lower than Clary who I have always felt was a mediocre RT at best. But the stats are very interesting.I also liked their article on the worst Madden rankings.Great site.Best place I've found for OL stats = ProFootballFocus (www.profootballfocus.com)
baconisgood
Footballguy
If I understand how they do their rankings RTs will be overvalued due to a lack of opponent adjustment. Stonewalling Dwight Freeney is worth the same as stonewalling a practice squad rookie who is promoted due to injuries, and since LTs see better pass rushers RTs have a built in advantage. Their rankings are best used for comparing position to position not across positions if this is true.Very interesting site. Thanks for the link.It's surprising how highly they have Jeromey Clary ranked. Marcus McNeil is overrated by many but I didn't expect him to be ranked 25 slots lower than Clary who I have always felt was a mediocre RT at best. But the stats are very interesting.I also liked their article on the worst Madden rankings.Great site.Best place I've found for OL stats = ProFootballFocus (www.profootballfocus.com)
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
He can blow people up from time to time, but he also misses some blocks. He just doesn't have very good foot speed.Your recall correct. It's about the only thing that Kemoeatu is good at.I'm going from memory here, but I seem to recall a few times Kemoateu looking pretty decent pulling and trainwrecking some mugs in open space.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Hmmmm. That's a very good thought that I hadn't considered. Still, That list would put Clary in the top half of RT's in the league and I still find that pretty hard to believe even if he's only being compared to other RT's. I really felt the two positions SD should have targeted in the draft were T and CB in large part because of the play on the right side of the line.If I understand how they do their rankings RTs will be overvalued due to a lack of opponent adjustment. Stonewalling Dwight Freeney is worth the same as stonewalling a practice squad rookie who is promoted due to injuries, and since LTs see better pass rushers RTs have a built in advantage. Their rankings are best used for comparing position to position not across positions if this is true.Very interesting site. Thanks for the link.It's surprising how highly they have Jeromey Clary ranked. Marcus McNeil is overrated by many but I didn't expect him to be ranked 25 slots lower than Clary who I have always felt was a mediocre RT at best. But the stats are very interesting.I also liked their article on the worst Madden rankings.Great site.Best place I've found for OL stats = ProFootballFocus (www.profootballfocus.com)
Bankerguy
Footballguy
A couple of things:
1-Yes he takes some bad penaties as metioned already.
2-He is a beast in the run game
3-Moving to RT will help reduce some of those holding/false start penalties. He has a hearing problem in his RIGHT ear. This move will help him hear the QB better and quiet some of the crowd noise on the road.
Is he declining...yes. However, he is still a pretty good tackle. The move to the right side is a very smart move by the Steelers. This was a great signing imo.
1-Yes he takes some bad penaties as metioned already.
2-He is a beast in the run game
3-Moving to RT will help reduce some of those holding/false start penalties. He has a hearing problem in his RIGHT ear. This move will help him hear the QB better and quiet some of the crowd noise on the road.
Is he declining...yes. However, he is still a pretty good tackle. The move to the right side is a very smart move by the Steelers. This was a great signing imo.
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
Just read that Flozell's deal was for 2 yrs for 7.5 mil.... but more importantly, there was NO signing bonus. That makes it a great signing IMO.
If he beats out the rest of the riff raff for RT, then he'll have earned his money. If not, the Steelers cut him & aren't out any significant cash.
If he beats out the rest of the riff raff for RT, then he'll have earned his money. If not, the Steelers cut him & aren't out any significant cash.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
That's almost the exact conversation I had with a friend yesterday. The fact that there was no bonus, and NONE of his contract is guaranteed, make it a no lose situation for Pittsburgh. He either comes in this year for 2.5 mil and plays well enough to justify being paid 5 million in '11, or he comes in, stinks, and is cut post-haste.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Well if it makes you feel any better they had Clary ranked as a poor T in 2008.Hmmmm. That's a very good thought that I hadn't considered. Still, That list would put Clary in the top half of RT's in the league and I still find that pretty hard to believe even if he's only being compared to other RT's. I really felt the two positions SD should have targeted in the draft were T and CB in large part because of the play on the right side of the line.If I understand how they do their rankings RTs will be overvalued due to a lack of opponent adjustment. Stonewalling Dwight Freeney is worth the same as stonewalling a practice squad rookie who is promoted due to injuries, and since LTs see better pass rushers RTs have a built in advantage. Their rankings are best used for comparing position to position not across positions if this is true.Very interesting site. Thanks for the link.It's surprising how highly they have Jeromey Clary ranked. Marcus McNeil is overrated by many but I didn't expect him to be ranked 25 slots lower than Clary who I have always felt was a mediocre RT at best. But the stats are very interesting.I also liked their article on the worst Madden rankings.Great site.Best place I've found for OL stats = ProFootballFocus (www.profootballfocus.com)
timschochet
Footballguy
I'm watching the Steelers-Lions game this morning on NFL Network and here is my early analysis: Flozell Adams is an absolute disaster. If he is truly going to be our startiing right tackle, it's going to be a long season...
fatness
Footballguy
It's a bad name but Flo has gotten it to work for him. Those Progressive Insurance commercials are great.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Mendenhall and Dwyer combined for 10 yds rushing on 11 carries.
Sometimes old vets do not go all out during preseason games, but speed rushers have been Flo's Achilles heal most of his career.Pouncey and Hills both looked good.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Where is he on the depth charts? I assume it's Mendy, M.Moore, and Dwyer that will make the final roster, if I'm wrong on that please advise. Those stats seemed to jump out to me. What did you see in the OL?
Redman is #2 with Moore as 3rd down back. Mendy will also see a lot of 3rd downs. Pouncey and Hills looked good, but Adams and Essex were terrible.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Mendenhall's stats are not the same as what it says in the play by play. He had runs of 5, 0, 8, 1, and -5. It should be 9 yards instead of 2. All in all, he had a couple of really nice runs and looked far better than his stats would indicate. He had no chance on the play he lost 5 yards on. The defender was there as soon as he got the ball. Redman had a couple of nice spin moves on his 31 yard run, but the Lions that attempted to "tackle" him on that play just put a shoulder into him and never tried to wrap him up. Not to take away from the run, but there were 3 brutal missed tackles on that play. His other 10 carries netted him 20 yards. against 2nd and 3rd stringers, so I would not automatically give him a roster spot, let alone the backup job to Mendenhall. I still think Moore will be the main guy if Mendenhall gets hurt, although that offense will turn pass happy. I was not impressed with Dwyer at all. He looked really slow to me.
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