Steph or Kobe? (1 Viewer)

[Zegras11]

Curry w/o a doubt is the best shooter ever. But his defense is not great so he goes down in the teens for me.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Love all the emotional responses from the usual nerds who never played a minute of organized ball.

Kobe all day long.

Played organized ball my entire life into college. I choose Steph in a walk. Steph is the unquestioned greatest shooter to ever live.

same here and coached for the last 20 i would take steph and not even think twice about it i can find anyone to hog the ball what i need is someone who makes everyone else better and can hit the three when its crunch time and in todays game the three is the game and there is nonone better ever than steph at the three and he didnt allegedly rape anyone take that to the bank bromigos

been coaching 30 years and I would much rather scheme against a player like Kobe than Steph.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

And his shooting is barely behind.

hahahahahahahaha

Curry is only 2.5% ahead of him.

Kobe averaged slightly more PPG

please leave real stats out

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Kobe by infinite miles

Love all the emotional responses from the usual nerds who never played a minute of organized ball.

Kobe all day long.

Spoken like a fanboy and someone who just think chucking up shots and scoring lots of points is the key to winning

bay area fans are something else

 

[Yo Mama]

Wad up a piece of paper.

Lean back in your office chair.

Toss it towards the trash can across the room.

Yell “Steph!”

Burn into cinders out of shame.

 

[the moops]

And his shooting is barely behind.

hahahahahahahaha

Curry is only 2.5% ahead of him.

Kobe averaged slightly more PPG

Look at true shooting percentage which is a much better stat than strict fg% and you will see how big the difference is.

Steph is at 62.6% true shooting. Kobe is at 55%.

That is a 7.6% difference. I am not sure there is a player in the NBA in the past 50 years that played any significant minutes who is 7.6% worse than Kobe's 55%. Markelle Fultz, who we all agree is an awful shooter, has a career TS% of .516, only 3.4% worse than Kobe. Ben Simmons has a better career true shooting percentage than Kobe.

You have to go back to dudes in the 50's who had true shooting percentages in the high 40 percent range

 

[the moops]

Kobe by infinite miles

Love all the emotional responses from the usual nerds who never played a minute of organized ball.

Kobe all day long.

Spoken like a fanboy and someone who just think chucking up shots and scoring lots of points is the key to winning

bay area fans are something else

Not from the Bay area.

Kobe is an incredible basketball player. But trying to prove that by saying he is almost as good of a shooter as Curry is just about the worst argument you can make

 

[dkp993]

But trying to prove that by saying he is almost as good of a shooter as Curry is just about the worst argument you can make

It’s a bold strategy cotton, let’s see if it works out for him.

 

[rockaction]

Interesting thread.

We are talking about a guy who went to Europe he was so NBA-ready vs. a guy that had to prove it at Davidson.

I'm not sure who became the better player or who meant more to his team and the game.

Steph kind of revolutionized the game or was in on the statistical wave that told us that threes were more important than higher percentage twos. I don't know whether Steph became anecdotal evidence of this and pushed the game further that way or if he benefitted from it. Kobe's defense is almost universally thought of as better.

I don't follow the game nearly as much as the commenters in here, so please don't hammer me for any wrong assumptions I've made. (I think I'm correct in my premise that threes became the statisticians' delight, much like OPS at first and then wOBA in baseball, which both substantially served to downgrade singles qua singles and to emphasize walks and extra-base hits to a degree that hadn't happened before in the minds of most who watched the game of baseball). Any corrections are welcome, by the way, just don't make them too personal.

It would seem that Kobe's natural advantages and athleticism place him a bit above Steph, but I also like Steph better and like his game better than Kobe's.

Can't really go wrong with either in terms of basketball prowess unless you don't want guys quitting on you in the playoffs, which I hadn't really heard about Kobe until this thread (we'd have to go after Scottie Pippen, too, if we're going after Kobe).

 

[NewlyRetired]

We are talking about a guy who went to Europe he was so NBA-ready vs. a guy that had to prove it at Davidson..

Kobe moved to Italy when he was 6 years old while his dad was a pro over there. He moved back to the US when he was 13.

 

[rockaction]

Kobe moved to Italy when he was 6 years old while his dad was a pro over there. He moved back to the US when he was 13.

Sure. Didn't he play in Europe before the NBA though?

Oh, I see he played in Italy against grown men at the age of twelve, but that's not like taking a year in between.

Pardon me. I'm thinking of a different person. Kobe was straight out of high school, though, right? No college?

I mean, my facts are wrong but the point isn't, I guess, which is still embarrassing.

 

[rockaction]

And generally why I never talk about basketball but the thread was interesting. Consider me a layman's layman.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Kobe by infinite miles

Love all the emotional responses from the usual nerds who never played a minute of organized ball.

Kobe all day long.

Spoken like a fanboy and someone who just think chucking up shots and scoring lots of points is the key to winning

“Scoring lots of points” is indeed how you win games.

I mean all the guys who actually played basketball think Kobe was great but Moops from the fantasy football board free for all disagrees with guys like Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

And his shooting is barely behind.

hahahahahahahaha

Curry is only 2.5% ahead of him.

Kobe averaged slightly more PPG

Look at true shooting percentage which is a much better stat than strict fg% and you will see how big the difference is.

Steph is at 62.6% true shooting. Kobe is at 55%.

That is a 7.6% difference. I am not sure there is a player in the NBA in the past 50 years that played any significant minutes who is 7.6% worse than Kobe's 55%. Markelle Fultz, who we all agree is an awful shooter, has a career TS% of .516, only 3.4% worse than Kobe. Ben Simmons has a better career true shooting percentage than Kobe.

You have to go back to dudes in the 50's who had true shooting percentages in the high 40 percent range

You obliterated your point with the Ben Simmons and Fultz stats.

Game is played on the court, not in the classroom.

 

[the moops]

I mean all the guys who actually played basketball think Kobe was great but Moops from the fantasy football board free for all disagrees with guys like Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.

Most guys who played basketball have made terrible NBA execs and failed at putting together good teams.

Also we can disagree here without being childish about it good buddy

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I mean all the guys who actually played basketball think Kobe was great but Moops from the fantasy football board free for all disagrees with guys like Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.

Most guys who played basketball have made terrible NBA execs and failed at putting together good teams.

Also we can disagree here without being childish about it good buddy

Putting a team together and coaching personalities is not talent evaluation of your peers.


I'm not being childish, you're childish!

Seriously though, no harm meant, GB.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

1 v 1, does Curry even score?

 

[Jayrod]

Love all the emotional responses from the usual nerds who never played a minute of organized ball.

Kobe all day long.

I played 4 years of small college.

Curry is the better NBA player.

Kobe's inefficient offense deducts from his better defense and gives Steph the edge. This is fleshed out in their advanced statistics where Steph is above Kobe in every one except VORP. PER, Net rating, WS/48 and BPM all indicate Curry is a better player.

 

[Manster]

I don't think it's fair to say Kobe needed Shaq, and not say that Curry had Klay, Draymond, Iguodala, and later Durant.....those Warrior teams were stacked. Curry is a stone cold killer shooting the ball, but Kobe was just a stone cold killer, period.

Both guys were surrounded by good players when they won championships.

 

[SWC]

I don't think it's fair to say Kobe needed Shaq, and not say that Curry had Klay, Draymond, Iguodala, and later Durant.....those Warrior teams were stacked. Curry is a stone cold killer shooting the ball, but Kobe was just a stone cold killer, period.

Both guys were surrounded by good players when they won championships.

you mispelled stone cold rapist allegedly take that to the ban brochacho

 

[Manster]

I don't think it's fair to say Kobe needed Shaq, and not say that Curry had Klay, Draymond, Iguodala, and later Durant.....those Warrior teams were stacked. Curry is a stone cold killer shooting the ball, but Kobe was just a stone cold killer, period.

Both guys were surrounded by good players when they won championships.

you mispelled stone cold rapist allegedly take that to the ban brochacho

But we're not talking about who is a better human being.

 

[Kev4029]

This is one of my favorite threads ever. It's been a while since we've had a JMon level of Kobe admiration around these parts.

 

[SWC]

I don't think it's fair to say Kobe needed Shaq, and not say that Curry had Klay, Draymond, Iguodala, and later Durant.....those Warrior teams were stacked. Curry is a stone cold killer shooting the ball, but Kobe was just a stone cold killer, period.

Both guys were surrounded by good players when they won championships.

you mispelled stone cold rapist allegedly take that to the ban brochacho

But we're not talking about who is a better human being.

on the path of the brohan we are always talking about being a better human being take that to the bank

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I don't think it's fair to say Kobe needed Shaq, and not say that Curry had Klay, Draymond, Iguodala, and later Durant.....those Warrior teams were stacked. Curry is a stone cold killer shooting the ball, but Kobe was just a stone cold killer, period.

Both guys were surrounded by good players when they won championships.

you mispelled stone cold rapist allegedly take that to the ban brochacho

But we're not talking about who is a better human being.

on the path of the brohan we are always talking about being a better human being take that to the bank

Not exactly leading by example.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

This is one of my favorite threads ever. It's been a while since we've had a JMon level of Kobe admiration around these parts.

Other than fragile white males, most people admire Kobe. He worked harder than most and like everyone who’s ever waked this earth, he made mistakes.

He appeared to grow from them and on top of being an excellent basketball player at a championship level, he inspired an entire generation of athletes.

If you “hate” Kobe or any other people that youve never actually met - you’re not on the path of the brohan.

 

[Kev4029]

And his shooting is barely behind.

hahahahahahahaha

Curry is only 2.5% ahead of him.

Kobe averaged slightly more PPG

Look at true shooting percentage which is a much better stat than strict fg% and you will see how big the difference is.

Steph is at 62.6% true shooting. Kobe is at 55%.

That is a 7.6% difference. I am not sure there is a player in the NBA in the past 50 years that played any significant minutes who is 7.6% worse than Kobe's 55%. Markelle Fultz, who we all agree is an awful shooter, has a career TS% of .516, only 3.4% worse than Kobe. Ben Simmons has a better career true shooting percentage than Kobe.

You have to go back to dudes in the 50's who had true shooting percentages in the high 40 percent range

You're arguing somebody who used FG% to compare shooting ability, I don't think diving into advanced stats is going to win you this argument, but I do appreciate the effort.

 

[SWC]

This is one of my favorite threads ever. It's been a while since we've had a JMon level of Kobe admiration around these parts.

Other than fragile white males, most people admire Kobe. He worked harder than most and like everyone who’s ever waked this earth, he made mistakes.

He appeared to grow from them and on top of being an excellent basketball player at a championship level, he inspired an entire generation of athletes.

If you “hate” Kobe or any other people that youve never actually met - you’re not on the path of the brohan.

he raped someone allegedly brohan he allegedly raped someone i feel pretty ok hating him take that to the bank

 

[Kev4029]

This is one of my favorite threads ever. It's been a while since we've had a JMon level of Kobe admiration around these parts.

Other than fragile white males, most people admire Kobe. He worked harder than most and like everyone who’s ever waked this earth, he made mistakes.

He appeared to grow from them and on top of being an excellent basketball player at a championship level, he inspired an entire generation of athletes.

If you “hate” Kobe or any other people that youve never actually met - you’re not on the path of the brohan.

1. I think I was fair in my evaluation of the Kobe-Steph comparison.
2. I don't particularly hate anybody, but I also think there are plenty of reasons you can hate somebody you've never met. Reasons like rape. Even before that whole situation, and before the real advent of advanced stats, I always viewed Kobe as overrated though. The advanced stats revolution hasn't dissuaded me from that belief. Not to say he isn't an all-timer, just that discussion of him as anywhere near the top 5-6 players ever is lunacy to me.
3. There are plenty of white racists around, but I'm guessing the white demographic participating in a discussion about the modern NBA is pretty low on the racism scale. I do recognize that discussing a black man raping a white woman is chumming the waters for the racists to come around, but I don't think that is what is going on here.
4. I graduated HS in 2004 - I always viewed Iverson as having more of a cultural impact than Kobe, at least in Colorado, during their shared NBA tenure.

 

[dkp993]

he inspired an entire generation of athletes.

Hasn’t Steph done the same if not more (by literally changing the game)?