I don't think a guy well on the wrong side of 30 and with serious knee/injury history has much of a future left.![]()
He may get signed as a backup's backup, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that he chooses to 'retire' when no offers come his way in this very tight and rb heavy offseason.
I seem to remember a lot of people (probably including you) saying the exact same thing last year. The few of us that felt otherwise enjoyed our record's getting an early boost from his 12 TDs in the first half of the season.I'm not saying he'll do it again by any means, but good posting? If walking in to the same exact trap that you fell into last year all over again is good posting, then by all means I agree.I don't think a guy well on the wrong side of 30 and with serious knee/injury history has much of a future left.![]()
He may get signed as a backup's backup, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that he chooses to 'retire' when no offers come his way in this very tight and rb heavy offseason.![]()
This is just wishful thinking. No way most of the teams would have the slightest interest in him. Why would Dallas, with Jones and Barber, have any interest at all in him? Similarly with SF and Gore and Barlow. Every year a bunch of elderly RBs are cut and hang around for a while looking for work before being forced into retirement when nobody signs them. Nobody signed guys who could still play like Ricky Watters and Jamal Anderson, so what on earth makes you think they're going to sign another washed-up has-been?Bottom line for most teams is, why waste the money on a veteran when a cheap youngster can do the same job for you?I don't think he's done, I think he has an NFL job if he wants one, but as a veteran who gets 100 or fewer touches this season.Maybe SF, BUF, MIA (if they trade Ricky), BAL, DAL, NYG, DET
First thing I thought of as well, why couldn't he take the role that Bettis had ? He seems an obvious fit and is a very good goal line runner. Would be perfect role for him, and Pitt would probably be able to get him cheap.How about Pittsburgh?
They just restructured Staley's contract, so I don't think that's likely.First thing I thought of as well, why couldn't he take the role that Bettis had ? He seems an obvious fit and is a very good goal line runner. Would be perfect role for him, and Pitt would probably be able to get him cheap.
So how do you envision Staley being used now ? Will he take over the Bettis role, with Parker and Haynes moving the chains, and him coming in to score? Or would he be more of an everydown back IYO ?They just restructured Staley's contract, so I don't think that's likely.First thing I thought of as well, why couldn't he take the role that Bettis had ? He seems an obvious fit and is a very good goal line runner. Would be perfect role for him, and Pitt would probably be able to get him cheap.
Didn't Watters think he was still a starter, and no one wanted to give him that kind of money. I seem to recall him having an offer or two, but was too proud to take it. I don't know Davis' status right now, but Anderson tried to come back, and got one contract and went to camp only to be cut didn't he? I could be making that last part up, but if Davis has anything left, and isn't too proud, I think there's a Bus-type role on some team for him.This is just wishful thinking. No way most of the teams would have the slightest interest in him. Why would Dallas, with Jones and Barber, have any interest at all in him? Similarly with SF and Gore and Barlow. Every year a bunch of elderly RBs are cut and hang around for a while looking for work before being forced into retirement when nobody signs them. Nobody signed guys who could still play like Ricky Watters and Jamal Anderson, so what on earth makes you think they're going to sign another washed-up has-been?I don't think he's done, I think he has an NFL job if he wants one, but as a veteran who gets 100 or fewer touches this season.
Maybe SF, BUF, MIA (if they trade Ricky), BAL, DAL, NYG, DET
Bottom line for most teams is, why waste the money on a veteran when a cheap youngster can do the same job for you?
Davis only played in 13 games last year. He did not score in the last 4, so he had 12 TD's in 9 games. I haven't seen too many youngsters, cheap or otherwise, who will get you 12 TD's in 9 games. In 5 of Davis' 10 years he only had a total of 402 carries, so he doesn't really have 10 years of mileage on him. I think Davis is one of those guys who will play because he loves the game and i think he's still got enough in the tank to be a good short yardage guy for someone.Bottom line for most teams is, why waste the money on a veteran when a cheap youngster can do the same job for you?
just for fun....How do you predict an older player's demise then?If walking in to the same exact trap that you fell into last year all over again is good posting, then by all means I agree.
He's also a former FB that's pretty great at picking up the blitzDavis only played in 13 games last year. He did not score in the last 4, so he had 12 TD's in 9 games. I haven't seen too many youngsters, cheap or otherwise, who will get you 12 TD's in 9 games. In 5 of Davis' 10 years he only had a total of 402 carries, so he doesn't really have 10 years of mileage on him. I think Davis is one of those guys who will play because he loves the game and i think he's still got enough in the tank to be a good short yardage guy for someone.
Did you see most of those TDs? Any reasonably competent NFL RB would have got TDs in those situations. Actually, a reasonably competent NFL RB would probably have got more. Davis looked slow and sluggish (his YPC supports this) and yet he STILL got those scores. Bottom line, he scored so often because the Carolina offense was productive and was getting into the red zone often.I haven't seen too many youngsters, cheap or otherwise, who will get you 12 TD's in 9 games.
boy is that minimizing things. I'm not saying there wasn't some gimme TDs in there but you still have to have a "nose for the endzone" and considerable leg strength for the others.Did you see most of those TDs? Any reasonably competent NFL RB would have got TDs in those situations. Actually, a reasonably competent NFL RB would probably have got more. Davis looked slow and sluggish (his YPC supports this) and yet he STILL got those scores. Bottom line, he scored so often because the Carolina offense was productive and was getting into the red zone often.I haven't seen too many youngsters, cheap or otherwise, who will get you 12 TD's in 9 games.
I certainly see your point, but the least we can do is add a new arguement to it. Emmitt and Curtis both came off of billion carry seasons when they fell flat, something that tends to make even RBs in their prime struggle more the next year.We weren't discussing him being another year older being the reason, or having many carries last year, but rather the poster was saying that there was no future for a RB over 30 (which he was last year) with a major knee surgery (which was actually much worse heading into last year than it is this year). It was like the post was actually cut and pasted out of a thread from 8 months ago.just for fun....How do you predict an older player's demise then?If walking in to the same exact trap that you fell into last year all over again is good posting, then by all means I agree.
Many were wrong on Emmitt and Curtis being "too old" until they actually were. For example a couple years back Curtis led the NFL in rushing and just last season he struggled+got hurt.
I'm all for discounting the value of easy TDs, but it kind of seems like you really didn't think this through. This isn't Seattle we're talking about here where any RB could crawl into the endzone backwards threw the gaping holes their line opens up and still go untouched. Having seen many of Davis' TDs this year many of them were actually hard fought touchdowns.You mention that those TDs were a product of the system in Carolina being in the redzone a lot, but again you're not really looking at it.Did you see most of those TDs? Any reasonably competent NFL RB would have got TDs in those situations. Actually, a reasonably competent NFL RB would probably have got more. Davis looked slow and sluggish (his YPC supports this) and yet he STILL got those scores. Bottom line, he scored so often because the Carolina offense was productive and was getting into the red zone often.I haven't seen too many youngsters, cheap or otherwise, who will get you 12 TD's in 9 games.
But there's more to it than this. Carolina's offense the first half of the season was on fire, but then cooled off considerably the 2nd half. That was largely because Delhomme's numbers fell off considerably (for whatever reason).Consider this: these are the number of points put up by Carolina's offense the first 9 games of the season:20, 27, 24, 32, 24, 21, 38, 34, 30Delhomme and Steve Smith were on fire and Davis took full advantage for a many of his (I think) relatively straightforward scores.The offense cooled off the second half of the season and the other Carolina HBs didn't have so many scoring opportunities.In Carolina's first 9 games Davis had 12 rushing TDs. Then he got hurt and in their next 9 (counting the playoffs) all of their RBs combined for only 3 rushing TDs. Certainly seems like there's more to it there than gaping holes that any RB could fall through.
How many teams carries specialist goal-line backs? Just because the Steelers won the Super Bowl everyone thinks that every team in the league has a big veteran back that comes in for goal-line carries. But they don't! Most teams give the ball to their regular back at the goal-line. I can count the number of teams that have specialist goal-line backs on the fingers of one hand!Davis will get a job somewhere. His days as a starter are definitely over, but could be effective in a short yardage role if need be.
I don't think many teams do have a goaline specialist. We just know the one that just won the Super Bowl did, and that player is now gone. If Davis was to have success again, ending up in Pittsburgh could be significant to alot of TD leagues.How many teams carries specialist goal-line backs? Just because the Steelers won the Super Bowl everyone thinks that every team in the league has a big veteran back that comes in for goal-line carries. But they don't! Most teams give the ball to their regular back at the goal-line. I can count the number of teams that have specialist goal-line backs on the fingers of one hand!Davis will get a job somewhere. His days as a starter are definitely over, but could be effective in a short yardage role if need be.
When Davis played they averaged 23.1 ppg.Post-Davis they average 26.2 ppg.But there's more to it than this. Carolina's offense the first half of the season was on fire, but then cooled off considerably the 2nd half. That was largely because Delhomme's numbers fell off considerably (for whatever reason).Consider this: these are the number of points put up by Carolina's offense the first 9 games of the season:In Carolina's first 9 games Davis had 12 rushing TDs. Then he got hurt and in their next 9 (counting the playoffs) all of their RBs combined for only 3 rushing TDs. Certainly seems like there's more to it there than gaping holes that any RB could fall through.
20, 27, 24, 32, 24, 21, 38, 34, 30
Delhomme and Steve Smith were on fire and Davis took full advantage for a many of his (I think) relatively straightforward scores.
The offense cooled off the second half of the season and the other Carolina HBs didn't have so many scoring opportunities.
The golf course.Philadelphia.
Stepping out of the fantasy football world....What coach in their right mind would carry a guy on the active roster for Sunday as a situational running back? It would be different if the guy was younger and could be an integral part of special teams.The Panthers cut Davis. Any rumors on where he might end up? With his mileage, he's not an every down RB anymore, but he did have 12 TD's last year before getting hurt. Surely someone could use a good goal line 15 carries per game RB.
Coaches for Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, Leroy Hoard, Gerald Riggs and Marcus Allen, among others.Stepping out of the fantasy football world....What coach in their right mind would carry a guy on the active roster for Sunday as a situational running back? It would be different if the guy was younger and could be an integral part of special teams.The Panthers cut Davis. Any rumors on where he might end up? With his mileage, he's not an every down RB anymore, but he did have 12 TD's last year before getting hurt. Surely someone could use a good goal line 15 carries per game RB.
Those guys were also established locker room guys for their respective team. I could be wrong.Coaches for Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, Leroy Hoard, Gerald Riggs and Marcus Allen, among others.Stepping out of the fantasy football world....What coach in their right mind would carry a guy on the active roster for Sunday as a situational running back? It would be different if the guy was younger and could be an integral part of special teams.The Panthers cut Davis. Any rumors on where he might end up? With his mileage, he's not an every down RB anymore, but he did have 12 TD's last year before getting hurt. Surely someone could use a good goal line 15 carries per game RB.
The first two, I suppose so. But Hoard, Riggs and Allen all went to other teams before becoming goalline backs. Even so, in the era of free agency, I think that one's credentials with the same team mean less now than they did back when they played. Besides, Davis has never had any complaints about his character.Those guys were also established locker room guys for their respective team. I could be wrong.Coaches for Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, Leroy Hoard, Gerald Riggs and Marcus Allen, among others.Stepping out of the fantasy football world....What coach in their right mind would carry a guy on the active roster for Sunday as a situational running back? It would be different if the guy was younger and could be an integral part of special teams.The Panthers cut Davis. Any rumors on where he might end up? With his mileage, he's not an every down RB anymore, but he did have 12 TD's last year before getting hurt. Surely someone could use a good goal line 15 carries per game RB.
Teams who are young at RB may want a veteran presence (if that presence is cheap).Teams who are smaller at RB may need a bigger back for certain carries (i.e., goalline, short yardage).Stepping out of the fantasy football world....What coach in their right mind would carry a guy on the active roster for Sunday as a situational running back? It would be different if the guy was younger and could be an integral part of special teams.The Panthers cut Davis. Any rumors on where he might end up? With his mileage, he's not an every down RB anymore, but he did have 12 TD's last year before getting hurt. Surely someone could use a good goal line 15 carries per game RB.
I don't disagree with you, I believe coaches can only dress 45 guys on Sunday. So if you want to carry a 30+ veteran specifically for goal line carries, I can understand that. But the coach most likely will have to choose not to dress a guy who may end up playing 14 to 20 special team plays.From a fantasy football perspective (starting skill position players), it would seem NFL teams almost have an unlimited amount of roster positions. As an NFL head coach, I often hear they hardly have enough.Teams who are young at RB may want a veteran presence (if that presence is cheap).Teams who are smaller at RB may need a bigger back for certain carries (i.e., goalline, short yardage).Stepping out of the fantasy football world....What coach in their right mind would carry a guy on the active roster for Sunday as a situational running back? It would be different if the guy was younger and could be an integral part of special teams.The Panthers cut Davis. Any rumors on where he might end up? With his mileage, he's not an every down RB anymore, but he did have 12 TD's last year before getting hurt. Surely someone could use a good goal line 15 carries per game RB.
Coaches want to win. THey tend to want the seasoned veterans who have been there before. Its the front office guys that generally want the roster spot for a developmental project.
The one problem with Davis is that it is unlikely he can play special teams. That will make him a luxury as a 3rd RB. But if he is healthy and willing to play on the cheap, some team will pick him up due to injury or need for a bigger back.
I agree with you. Coaches always complain they need more roster spots and they need them for the special teamers.Its a tough call between the situational need and the special teams player. Many teams decide late in the week on the players that dress out. So some teams look at what they need situationally, and sometimes give up a special teams player.I don't disagree with you, I believe coaches can only dress 45 guys on Sunday. So if you want to carry a 30+ veteran specifically for goal line carries, I can understand that. But the coach most likely will have to choose not to dress a guy who may end up playing 14 to 20 special team plays.From a fantasy football perspective (starting skill position players), it would seem NFL teams almost have an unlimited amount of roster positions. As an NFL head coach, I often hear they hardly have enough.Teams who are young at RB may want a veteran presence (if that presence is cheap).Teams who are smaller at RB may need a bigger back for certain carries (i.e., goalline, short yardage).Stepping out of the fantasy football world....What coach in their right mind would carry a guy on the active roster for Sunday as a situational running back? It would be different if the guy was younger and could be an integral part of special teams.The Panthers cut Davis. Any rumors on where he might end up? With his mileage, he's not an every down RB anymore, but he did have 12 TD's last year before getting hurt. Surely someone could use a good goal line 15 carries per game RB.
Coaches want to win. THey tend to want the seasoned veterans who have been there before. Its the front office guys that generally want the roster spot for a developmental project.
The one problem with Davis is that it is unlikely he can play special teams. That will make him a luxury as a 3rd RB. But if he is healthy and willing to play on the cheap, some team will pick him up due to injury or need for a bigger back.
Stepping out of the fantasy football world....What coach in their right mind would carry a guy on the active roster for Sunday as a situational running back? It would be different if the guy was younger and could be an integral part of special teams.The Panthers cut Davis. Any rumors on where he might end up? With his mileage, he's not an every down RB anymore, but he did have 12 TD's last year before getting hurt. Surely someone could use a good goal line 15 carries per game RB.
You're right, most teams carry 3 RBs. One starts, one spells/play 3rd downs, and one backs up and plays special teams. Dillon/Faulk/Pass for example.But most teams carry 3RB. So it is not a stretch to have Davis as a 3RB or even a 2RB. Antowain Smith was used by th Saints last year, and signed to a contract this year. IIRC he does not play special teams. A healthy Davis will be signed as well. The question is who needs a complement/veteran RB who cannot play special teams.
Some teams that may consider taking a shot: Miami, Philadelphia, Atlanta (if Duckett is traded), Pittsburgh, Green Bay (if pooper doesn't bounce back), any team with injuries heading into or out of July.
Nevertheless, for some reason, I do not think Davis will be healthy enough (or motivated enough). If he were, we would have heard from him before now. Like I said, Antowain Smith, Anthony Thomas and other like backs have surfaced and signed. Davis is from Carolina. It maybe that he will wait and see what the Panthers needs are and if he will be called upon.
What about Corey Dillon last year makes you think this won't be him come October? (Speaking of Dillon being a 32-year old specialist) He'll be on the active roster every week as well....I'm not going to agree with you as far as Smith or Thomas being far more valuable than Davis could either. Need I remind you Thomas did average a meager 2.1 yards/carry himself last year? Smith is in Houston to be a specialist. If Davis goes down, he'll share the load with Morency/Lundy/whomever else they bring in.Dillon
a 32-year old specialist
And for those guys who brought up Antowain Smith and Anthony Thomas, those guys will contribute far more to their respective teams than Davis could. They could start if need be.