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Stephen Hill (WR) - CAR (1 Viewer)

You put Thomas and Hill next to each other and they are nothing alike. Thomas is much thicker and stronger and changes direction better..

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN New York calls Stephen Hill the Jets' most improved player this summer.
Per reporter Rich Cimini, Hill has impressed with his "improved mechanics and route running." Hill boasts a rare size/speed combo (6-foot-4, 215 pounds with 4.36 wheels), but was extremely raw coming out of option-based Georgia Tech. Hill's flashes of brilliance as a rookie were typically paired up with a mind-numbing mistake. Still only 22, Hill has a monster ceiling, but his development figures to remain slow with the Jets' quarterback situation still a mess.


Source: ESPN New York
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How is his catching? That is all that matters.

 
I'll upload the clip at halftime to let others judge for themselves.

Edit: Do you guys really want me to do this? I just watched it for the 10th time.

IT HIT HIM SQUARE IN THE HANDS!!!

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
Raider Nation said:
I'll upload the clip at halftime to let others judge for themselves.

Edit: Do you guys really want me to do this? I just watched it for the 10th time.

IT HIT HIM SQUARE IN THE HANDS!!!
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It wasnt routine, it would have been a difficult catch, it did hit him in the hands.
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A lot of guys would have caught it but it was a very tough catch.

 
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Raider Nation said:
This guy just cannot play. Hands of stone. Cut your losses and let someone else get some playing time.
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lol , you can't be serious. This kid is a good wr with a serious upside. Just needs a quality qb and another season to season his game. It's not a surprise you are a raiders fan. You have no idea what talent looks like. Lol
 
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Raider Nation said:
I'll upload the clip at halftime to let others judge for themselves.

Edit: Do you guys really want me to do this? I just watched it for the 10th time.

IT HIT HIM SQUARE IN THE HANDS!!!
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I want the clip. Gimme.
 
10 targets with 6 catches. A little under the radar compared to the other week 1 pickups, but can Geno and the terrible Jets offense make him startable at some point? They will be behind a lot and right now he seems like the WR1 that is set up to respond when in catch up mode. I didn't see the game, but how did he actually look outside of the box score? Thoughts?

 
I'm interested in hearing from people who way he's their week 1 game as well. I think he is set up to flourish with geno smith at qb and is a very under the radar wr with the skill set to potentially be a top tier wideout if he can put it all together. I'm encouraged by his week 1 involvement.

With his size and speed you'd have to think that Tds are just around the corner.

 
While Hill's stat line wasn't all that great, it's promising that he saw the most targets and snaps of NY WR's in Week 1.

It has alot to do with Holmes being on the mend, but Hill offers a larger target and more ability than anyone else on the roster including Holmes. I think this year will be very telling for his future prospects. I'm all in with Hill and think he will start to live up to the draft hype from last year.

:popcorn:

 
Should the QB situation improve this is a must start WR3/FLex guy. A great combination of size and speed. Just needs to work out the kinks. Big big upside.

 
I thought he was a great sleeper all offseason and the 6 catches was encouraging. The bigger catches and occasional TDs should come and you have to love the physical ability.

I love Waldman but I found it funny that he said if Geno was going to establish a connection with someone, it definitely wasn't going to be Hill. It's only one week I know, but it seemed to me that Hill was the likeliest candidate. He's still a great buy low I think - for the amount of talent/possible upside here, he comes very cheap

 
Long time Jets fan, watched all of his games...last year = raw route runner, poor hands but very athletic...this year...looked good in pre-season, looked good week 1. Still has misses a few. Mishandled one this weekend that he was able to secure after the bobble. Route-running definitely improved. Biggest reason he's on my short list. He's worked with Geno the most of any WR on the roster...the week after Sanchez's Jets West camp (Sanchez hosted the skill players in Cali each summer), he went to Florida to work with Geno. Supposedly they've connected on a personal level as well. I like what I'm hearing/seeing.

 
Rewatched the game. Geno looked a bit flustered and held onto the ball a bit too long... partly because there wasn't much separation for any of the the Jet's WRs including Hill. He seemed to become really conservative after the rough start and there wasn't much going on in the passing game all day.

Hill looked solid and had a nice grab showing great hands on a low pass that was called incomplete, reviewed, and overturned. There was another that he bobbled but grabbed at a second attempt. I think it's a good game to build upon and as Geno becomes more comfortable things should get better for the entire team. Hill is a huge target with great speed, I didn't realize he and Geno had been working together this summer and it will be nice to see if they can continue to build chemistry.

 
Hill caught every catchable pass and looked sure-handed. Geno missed him for two TD's where he was wide open - the first Jets play of the game and in the 4th with 6 minutes left (no excuse for Geno not making this one).

 
He was just dropped in a dynasty league of mine last week. I was very excited to pick him up, but I'm concerned with his lack of "fluidness" if that's a word. He just doesn't look like a natural football player. Couple drops on a sloppy field. I felt the fumble was a mistake, but more a fluke than anything. His adjustment to a poorly thrown ball by Geno just looked so unnatural. I think Hill has a spot in this league, but he will never be a WR#1 for any team.

 
Max Power said:
He was just dropped in a dynasty league of mine last week. I was very excited to pick him up, but I'm concerned with his lack of "fluidness" if that's a word. He just doesn't look like a natural football player. Couple drops on a sloppy field. I felt the fumble was a mistake, but more a fluke than anything. His adjustment to a poorly thrown ball by Geno just looked so unnatural. I think Hill has a spot in this league, but he will never be a WR#1 for any team.
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The most frustrating thing is, he can't catch yet he still went for 84 yards. If he had even adequate mitts, his stat lines could be ridiculous. As of right now Mornhinweg seems to subscribe to the theory of "What the hell.... send him deep a few times a game. By some miracle, he may catch one or two of them."

 
the dude was wide open in the endzone early in the game.

geno looks at what's right in front of him and hill has 100 yds and a td -- but this might be an ongoing problem

 
Raider Nation said:
Max Power said:
He was just dropped in a dynasty league of mine last week. I was very excited to pick him up, but I'm concerned with his lack of "fluidness" if that's a word. He just doesn't look like a natural football player. Couple drops on a sloppy field. I felt the fumble was a mistake, but more a fluke than anything. His adjustment to a poorly thrown ball by Geno just looked so unnatural. I think Hill has a spot in this league, but he will never be a WR#1 for any team.
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The most frustrating thing is, he can't catch yet he still went for 84 yards. If he had even adequate mitts, his stat lines could be ridiculous. As of right now Mornhinweg seems to subscribe to the theory of "What the hell.... send him deep a few times a game. By some miracle, he may catch one or two of them."
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1-10-NYJ 20 (12:54) (Shotgun) 7-G.Smith pass incomplete short middle to 84-S.Hill.

(1:14) (Shotgun) 7-G.Smith pass incomplete deep middle to 84-S.Hill (32-D.McCourty).

(7:50) (Shotgun) 7-G.Smith pass incomplete deep right to 84-S.Hill [54-D.Hightower].

(:48) (Shotgun) 7-G.Smith pass deep right intended for 84-S.Hill INTERCEPTED by 31-A.Talib
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These were the targets that Hill didn't catch, which ones are the drop you are referring to?

 
I only saw one drop last night and it was during the rain. I did however see a couple of nice catches. Geno is doing an ok job but has missed him on 3 touchdowns and he was open a lot tonight where he didn't get the ball. I'm encouraged from what I have seen so far. Geno appears adequate enough, Hill looks more comfortable and the play calling is pass 1st. HAD Geno hit him on those 3 TD's everyone would be all over him. To me Clyde Gates looked like what everyone says Hill is like. Traps the ball with his body and a terrible hands catcher.

Now if I could figure out why they are splitting RB carries in favor of Powell, but that's another thread...

 
Max Power said:
He was just dropped in a dynasty league of mine last week. I was very excited to pick him up, but I'm concerned with his lack of "fluidness" if that's a word. He just doesn't look like a natural football player. Couple drops on a sloppy field. I felt the fumble was a mistake, but more a fluke than anything. His adjustment to a poorly thrown ball by Geno just looked so unnatural. I think Hill has a spot in this league, but he will never be a WR#1 for any team.
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This. It's an awful analogy, but if you were creating Stephen Hill in Madden, his agility rating would be incredibly low. He has good straight line speed, but he doesn't have the ability to change direction well or run sharp routes. That, combined with his sub-par hands, makes me think that he can't be a long-term starter in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong though.

 
The offense looks better under Morninwheg and Geno.

Hill may be one guy still out there on the WW with real potential to develop if Geno can just improve somewhat.

At any rates, given the lack of skill talent on this team, I'd say the offense should go through Hill.

 
17 targets and 10 catches through 2 games. Projecting out that is 136 targets and 80 catches.

Geno hopefully will improve as the season goes on. I think his arrow is pointing up, and is a great speculative WW add.

 
cstu said:
Raider Nation said:
Max Power said:
He was just dropped in a dynasty league of mine last week. I was very excited to pick him up, but I'm concerned with his lack of "fluidness" if that's a word. He just doesn't look like a natural football player. Couple drops on a sloppy field. I felt the fumble was a mistake, but more a fluke than anything. His adjustment to a poorly thrown ball by Geno just looked so unnatural. I think Hill has a spot in this league, but he will never be a WR#1 for any team.
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The most frustrating thing is, he can't catch yet he still went for 84 yards. If he had even adequate mitts, his stat lines could be ridiculous. As of right now Mornhinweg seems to subscribe to the theory of "What the hell.... send him deep a few times a game. By some miracle, he may catch one or two of them."
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1-10-NYJ 20 (12:54) (Shotgun) 7-G.Smith pass incomplete short middle to 84-S.Hill.

(1:14) (Shotgun) 7-G.Smith pass incomplete deep middle to 84-S.Hill (32-D.McCourty).

(7:50) (Shotgun) 7-G.Smith pass incomplete deep right to 84-S.Hill [54-D.Hightower].

(:48) (Shotgun) 7-G.Smith pass deep right intended for 84-S.Hill INTERCEPTED by 31-A.Talib
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These were the targets that Hill didn't catch, which ones are the drop you are referring to?
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I watched iall of his targets and this was the only drop. The ball was a bit high and it may have been wet but it was catchable.

 
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Assuming he sprinkles in a few TDs this year, there's a pretty decent chance he's going to finish as a WR3.

 
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wdcrob said:
Assuming he sprinkles in a few TDs this year, there's a pretty decent chance he's going to finish as a WR3.
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He's currently on pace for 80 catches and exactly 1,000 yards. In non-PPR, based on last year's numbers, he'd only need 3 TDs with that to finish as WR30 overall, while 6 TDs would have made him WR23 (a very low WR2). In PPR leagues, 80/1000 would have ranked him as WR32 even if he never caught a single score, while just 3 TDs would be necessary to get him to WR22.

I'd say Stephen Hill is off to a pretty good start to the season, for fantasy purposes.

 
Adam Harstad said:
wdcrob said:
Assuming he sprinkles in a few TDs this year, there's a pretty decent chance he's going to finish as a WR3.
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He's currently on pace for 80 catches and exactly 1,000 yards. In non-PPR, based on last year's numbers, he'd only need 3 TDs with that to finish as WR30 overall, while 6 TDs would have made him WR23 (a very low WR2). In PPR leagues, 80/1000 would have ranked him as WR32 even if he never caught a single score, while just 3 TDs would be necessary to get him to WR22.

I'd say Stephen Hill is off to a pretty good start to the season, for fantasy purposes.
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Sorry should have said I was converting everything to PPG. Four to eight TDs would see him between 19/20 and 28/32 in the league I looked at. I doubt anyone's going to be comfortable rolling him out as a WR2 though.

 
He's a guy you drafted very late or picked up on the WW. He's going to sport average to above average WR3 numbers which make him a good WR3 or solid depth. What's not to like?

 
wdcrob said:
Adam Harstad said:
wdcrob said:
Assuming he sprinkles in a few TDs this year, there's a pretty decent chance he's going to finish as a WR3.
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He's currently on pace for 80 catches and exactly 1,000 yards. In non-PPR, based on last year's numbers, he'd only need 3 TDs with that to finish as WR30 overall, while 6 TDs would have made him WR23 (a very low WR2). In PPR leagues, 80/1000 would have ranked him as WR32 even if he never caught a single score, while just 3 TDs would be necessary to get him to WR22.

I'd say Stephen Hill is off to a pretty good start to the season, for fantasy purposes.
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Sorry should have said I was converting everything to PPG. Four to eight TDs would see him between 19/20 and 28/32 in the league I looked at. I doubt anyone's going to be comfortable rolling him out as a WR2 though.
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Raw points is going to overrate a player when pro-rating to 16 games, but raw PPG is going to underrate him, too. To use a deliberately extreme example, if literally every receiver in the league played 8 or fewer games, then guys who rank 60th in points per game are still solid WR3s, because literally half of the players ahead of them will be out at any given time.

I feel comfortable splitting the difference between the two methods and saying Hill's true value would lie somewhere in between. If Hill keeps up his reception/yardage pace and chips in 4 touchdowns, he'll probably be somewhere between the 20th and 28th most valuable receiver in PPR. So, a really crappy WR2 or a really strong WR3.

 
He likely won't keep up the catch pace because his target pace won't be sustained. With Kerley out one game, Holmes not healthy and a TE with one knee playing on a short week they have had to go to him. Those situations will change and his targets will decline.

 
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He likely won't keep up the catch pace because his target pace won't be sustained. With Kerley out one game, Holmes not healthy and a TE with one knee playing on a short week they have had to go to him. Those situations will change and his targets will decline.
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He had more targets week 1 with Kerley in the game. The odds of Winslow staying healthy all year are next to zero. Holmes has said he may have to deal with foot pain all year.

He may not get 8 or 9 every week but he's their best weapon. More important than the number of targets is Geno hitting him when he's wide open deep.

 
Rough game last night. Fumble, drops, unpolished routes. Geno still looked for him but some of that is because Gates and Spadola were even worse than Hill.

 
pipedream said:
He's a guy you drafted very late or picked up on the WW. He's going to sport average to above average WR3 numbers which make him a good WR3 or solid depth. What's not to like?
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This drafted him in Round 18 last Thursday and Saturday in FFPC leagues. Very happy with the early results.

 
cstu said:
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Rough game last night. Fumble, drops, unpolished routes. Geno still looked for him but some of that is because Gates and Spadola were even worse than H
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The fumble was bad but it came on a nice catch. He only had one drop.
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Hill owner, by any chance? :)

 
Raider Nation said:
cstu said:
bayshorebob said:
Rough game last night. Fumble, drops, unpolished routes. Geno still looked for him but some of that is because Gates and Spadola were even worse than H
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The fumble was bad but it came on a nice catch. He only had one drop.
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Hill owner, by any chance? :)
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The ball was kicked out of his hands... it's not often that happens. While it was no butt fumble, it was a foot fumble.

 
Listen, he's a starting player who gets a lot of balls thrown to him. That has value... definitely.

But I agree with whomever said on the last page that he just doesn't "look like a natural football player." Spot on. Maybe he can overcome it. :shrug:

 
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