Steve McNair Dead (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

So ESPN basically reported this morning on Sportscenter that it appears the woman shot McNair several times including a fatal shot to the head, then turned the gun on herself. Police are not actively pursuing any suspects, etc...

Here is where maybe some of you with far more insight and wisdom than I possess can figure this out. While we don't know 100%, it seems like he was seperated from his wife. He bought an Escalade with this woman, and it sure didn't look like he was hiding the fact they were together.

So whaty exactly would possess this woman to kill him and then herself? If they had been dating for a few months, it seems natural that McNair was doing maybe not the right things but he wasn't showing this woman thru actions that he didn't want to be with her. When you buy a Cadillac together that is a pretty strong step for a relationship that was a few months old. What did this woman want...to walk down the aisle immediately? The ex-b/f said McNair was telling her they would be together and eveything was going to be great...doesn't sound like McNair was showing up for a booty call and then leaving this woman...he was going places in public with her.

Could she have been trying to break up with McNair? Wouldn't seem to fit as once she killed him I would think she wouldn't turn the gun on herself but would try and say it was self defense.

Very strange to me. Maybe Steve was breaking it off with her and wanted to come back to his wife. So many disturbing questions with this.

MOP,Murder is impossible to decipher, because it's not a logical act in the first place. We can drive ourselves crazy trying to explain the WHY of something as senseless as this. The facts will, unfortunately, continue to come to light and probably a lot of speculation will be blurred into the 'discovery' process as well.

The Tennesseean story from this morning clarifies a couple of points:

July 4, 2009

Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi killed

By Kate Howard, Jaime Sarrio and Chris Echegaray

THE TENNESSEAN

...

“Anyone can get famous,” said McCracken, who attends five or more Titans games a year. “But it takes a genuinely moral person to be a leader. He wasn’t just a football player, he was a leader.”

Link

A stunning illustration of how too many people confuse morality with achievement. Being a good leader on the field is by no means indicative of "genuine morality", yet way too many people confuse the two. Because McNair was a good player, by all accounts a good teammate, and outwardly a solid representative of the game we all love is by no means an indication of the man's inherent morality. Particularly disappointing to see that quote in an article like this, because it obscures the fact that a man is dead and regardless of his moral compass, shouldn't be.

 

[identikit]

So ESPN basically reported this morning on Sportscenter that it appears the woman shot McNair several times including a fatal shot to the head, then turned the gun on herself. Police are not actively pursuing any suspects, etc...

Here is where maybe some of you with far more insight and wisdom than I possess can figure this out. While we don't know 100%, it seems like he was seperated from his wife. He bought an Escalade with this woman, and it sure didn't look like he was hiding the fact they were together.

So whaty exactly would possess this woman to kill him and then herself? If they had been dating for a few months, it seems natural that McNair was doing maybe not the right things but he wasn't showing this woman thru actions that he didn't want to be with her. When you buy a Cadillac together that is a pretty strong step for a relationship that was a few months old. What did this woman want...to walk down the aisle immediately? The ex-b/f said McNair was telling her they would be together and eveything was going to be great...doesn't sound like McNair was showing up for a booty call and then leaving this woman...he was going places in public with her.

Could she have been trying to break up with McNair? Wouldn't seem to fit as once she killed him I would think she wouldn't turn the gun on herself but would try and say it was self defense.

Very strange to me. Maybe Steve was breaking it off with her and wanted to come back to his wife. So many disturbing questions with this.

MOP,Murder is impossible to decipher, because it's not a logical act in the first place. We can drive ourselves crazy trying to explain the WHY of something as senseless as this. The facts will, unfortunately, continue to come to light and probably a lot of speculation will be blurred into the 'discovery' process as well.

The Tennesseean story from this morning clarifies a couple of points:

July 4, 2009

Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi killed

By Kate Howard, Jaime Sarrio and Chris Echegaray

THE TENNESSEAN

...

"Anyone can get famous," said McCracken, who attends five or more Titans games a year. "But it takes a genuinely moral person to be a leader. He wasn't just a football player, he was a leader."

Link

A stunning illustration of how too many people confuse morality with achievement. Being a good leader on the field is by no means indicative of "genuine morality", yet way too many people confuse the two. Because McNair was a good player, by all accounts a good teammate, and outwardly a solid representative of the game we all love is by no means an indication of the man's inherent morality. Particularly disappointing to see that quote in an article like this, because it obscures the fact that a man is dead and regardless of his moral compass, shouldn't be.

Though I don't find the bolded comment stunning at all.

Pretty typical, really.

 

[zed2283]

The Tennesseean story from this morning clarifies a couple of points:

Link

Yes, that helped a lot. Thanks!

 

[Bri]

The Tennesseean story from this morning clarifies a couple of points:

July 4, 2009

Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi killed

By Kate Howard, Jaime Sarrio and Chris Echegaray

THE TENNESSEAN

...

“Anyone can get famous,” said McCracken, who attends five or more Titans games a year. “But it takes a genuinely moral person to be a leader. He wasn’t just a football player, he was a leader.”

Link

A stunning illustration of how too many people confuse morality with achievement. Being a good leader on the field is by no means indicative of "genuine morality", yet way too many people confuse the two. Because McNair was a good player, by all accounts a good teammate, and outwardly a solid representative of the game we all love is by no means an indication of the man's inherent morality. Particularly disappointing to see that quote in an article like this, because it obscures the fact that a man is dead and regardless of his moral compass, shouldn't be.

Are you seriously criticizing a fan's thoughts when they're grieving? Read the last sentence in his quote.

 

[Jason Wood]

The Tennesseean story from this morning clarifies a couple of points:

July 4, 2009

Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi killed

By Kate Howard, Jaime Sarrio and Chris Echegaray

THE TENNESSEAN

...

“Anyone can get famous,” said McCracken, who attends five or more Titans games a year. “But it takes a genuinely moral person to be a leader. He wasn’t just a football player, he was a leader.”

Link

A stunning illustration of how too many people confuse morality with achievement. Being a good leader on the field is by no means indicative of "genuine morality", yet way too many people confuse the two. Because McNair was a good player, by all accounts a good teammate, and outwardly a solid representative of the game we all love is by no means an indication of the man's inherent morality. Particularly disappointing to see that quote in an article like this, because it obscures the fact that a man is dead and regardless of his moral compass, shouldn't be.

Are you seriously criticizing a fan's thoughts when they're grieving? Read the last sentence in his quote.

I'm criticizing what those thoughts are endemic of. And I'm more critical of the fact the paper chose that particular fans particular statement involving morality than I am of the man who made the statement. But I don't want to derail this thread in that direction, so that's all I'm going to say on that matter.

 

[T Bell]

Still don't get why Wayne Neely who found them called a friend and not 911 after finding them.

that's not so uncommon. People panic and don't know what to do til they're reminded to call 911.

Yeah, and they typically "forget" when they've got something to hide. It's funny how all of that works.

 

[T Bell]

A stunning illustration of how too many people confuse morality with achievement. Being a good leader on the field is by no means indicative of "genuine morality", yet way too many people confuse the two. Because McNair was a good player, by all accounts a good teammate, and outwardly a solid representative of the game we all love is by no means an indication of the man's inherent morality. Particularly disappointing to see that quote in an article like this, because it obscures the fact that a man is dead and regardless of his moral compass, shouldn't be.

Though I don't find the bolded comment stunning at all.

Pretty typical, really.

x2

 

[T Bell]

Norfleet said she told him she was seeing McNair, who she met while working as a waitress at Dave & Busters. He was worried about her dating a married man and hopeful they’d get back together. They had been living together for four years, since they moved from her family’s home in Jacksonville, Fla., to Nashville.

She was only 20 now, So if my math serves me correctly, she moved out of state with a man when she was only sixteen? What were her parents thinking?My best goes out to both families.

Sad day.

Her mother was a native of Iran and was murdered when Sahel was 9, she was raised by her sister, so it doesn't look like her parents were around.

WHERE IS MY VOTE QUARTERBACK?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Just an awful turn of events. I caught most of the press conference on CNN last night and it really sounded like they were saying murder-suicide without actually saying it before the autopsy is comleted.

 

[malaka]

Still don't get why Wayne Neely who found them called a friend and not 911 after finding them.

that's not so uncommon. People panic and don't know what to do til they're reminded to call 911.

I would call it uncommon when you discover 2 dead bodies call a friend, wait till he arrives and checks things out and then let him call 911.

your 3rd statement is quite different than the previous two.

?????.....I made 2 statements .....not 3.....

 

[Bri]

The Tennesseean story from this morning clarifies a couple of points:

July 4, 2009

Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi killed

By Kate Howard, Jaime Sarrio and Chris Echegaray

THE TENNESSEAN

...

“Anyone can get famous,” said McCracken, who attends five or more Titans games a year. “But it takes a genuinely moral person to be a leader. He wasn’t just a football player, he was a leader.”

Link

A stunning illustration of how too many people confuse morality with achievement. Being a good leader on the field is by no means indicative of "genuine morality", yet way too many people confuse the two. Because McNair was a good player, by all accounts a good teammate, and outwardly a solid representative of the game we all love is by no means an indication of the man's inherent morality. Particularly disappointing to see that quote in an article like this, because it obscures the fact that a man is dead and regardless of his moral compass, shouldn't be.

Are you seriously criticizing a fan's thoughts when they're grieving? Read the last sentence in his quote.

I'm criticizing what those thoughts are endemic of. And I'm more critical of the fact the paper chose that particular fans particular statement involving morality than I am of the man who made the statement. But I don't want to derail this thread in that direction, so that's all I'm going to say on that matter.

still ignoring the last sentence of his quote

 

[Bri]

I'm criticizing what those thoughts are endemic of. And I'm more critical of the fact the paper chose that particular fans particular statement involving morality than I am of the man who made the statement. But I don't want to derail this thread in that direction, so that's all I'm going to say on that matter.

I hope when you are going through a grieving process in your life that you are not similarly judged. Can you please lose the "word of the day" shtick? I don't think you meant to criticize all the people of Tennessee.

 

[crnerblitz]

So ESPN basically reported this morning on Sportscenter that it appears the woman shot McNair several times including a fatal shot to the head, then turned the gun on herself. Police are not actively pursuing any suspects, etc...

Here is where maybe some of you with far more insight and wisdom than I possess can figure this out. While we don't know 100%, it seems like he was seperated from his wife. He bought an Escalade with this woman, and it sure didn't look like he was hiding the fact they were together.

So whaty exactly would possess this woman to kill him and then herself? If they had been dating for a few months, it seems natural that McNair was doing maybe not the right things but he wasn't showing this woman thru actions that he didn't want to be with her. When you buy a Cadillac together that is a pretty strong step for a relationship that was a few months old. What did this woman want...to walk down the aisle immediately? The ex-b/f said McNair was telling her they would be together and eveything was going to be great...doesn't sound like McNair was showing up for a booty call and then leaving this woman...he was going places in public with her.

Could she have been trying to break up with McNair? Wouldn't seem to fit as once she killed him I would think she wouldn't turn the gun on herself but would try and say it was self defense.

Very strange to me. Maybe Steve was breaking it off with her and wanted to come back to his wife. So many disturbing questions with this.

MOP,Murder is impossible to decipher, because it's not a logical act in the first place. We can drive ourselves crazy trying to explain the WHY of something as senseless as this. The facts will, unfortunately, continue to come to light and probably a lot of speculation will be blurred into the 'discovery' process as well.

The Tennesseean story from this morning clarifies a couple of points:

July 4, 2009

Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi killed

By Kate Howard, Jaime Sarrio and Chris Echegaray

THE TENNESSEAN

...

“Anyone can get famous,” said McCracken, who attends five or more Titans games a year. “But it takes a genuinely moral person to be a leader. He wasn’t just a football player, he was a leader.”

Link

A stunning illustration of how too many people confuse morality with achievement. Being a good leader on the field is by no means indicative of "genuine morality", yet way too many people confuse the two. Because McNair was a good player, by all accounts a good teammate, and outwardly a solid representative of the game we all love is by no means an indication of the man's inherent morality. Particularly disappointing to see that quote in an article like this, because it obscures the fact that a man is dead and regardless of his moral compass, shouldn't be.

+3This sad and sensless violence is uncomprehendable to me. Mcnair was someone I admired for his football skills and apparent charitable soul.

The whole of Ones actions determine if One is considered great. You cannot parse some character aspects from other less desirable ones. They make up the entirity of Ones character.

 

[Matt Waldman]

So ESPN basically reported this morning on Sportscenter that it appears the woman shot McNair several times including a fatal shot to the head, then turned the gun on herself. Police are not actively pursuing any suspects, etc...

Here is where maybe some of you with far more insight and wisdom than I possess can figure this out. While we don't know 100%, it seems like he was seperated from his wife. He bought an Escalade with this woman, and it sure didn't look like he was hiding the fact they were together.

So whaty exactly would possess this woman to kill him and then herself? If they had been dating for a few months, it seems natural that McNair was doing maybe not the right things but he wasn't showing this woman thru actions that he didn't want to be with her. When you buy a Cadillac together that is a pretty strong step for a relationship that was a few months old. What did this woman want...to walk down the aisle immediately? The ex-b/f said McNair was telling her they would be together and eveything was going to be great...doesn't sound like McNair was showing up for a booty call and then leaving this woman...he was going places in public with her.

Could she have been trying to break up with McNair? Wouldn't seem to fit as once she killed him I would think she wouldn't turn the gun on herself but would try and say it was self defense.

Very strange to me. Maybe Steve was breaking it off with her and wanted to come back to his wife. So many disturbing questions with this.

MOP,Murder is impossible to decipher, because it's not a logical act in the first place. We can drive ourselves crazy trying to explain the WHY of something as senseless as this. The facts will, unfortunately, continue to come to light and probably a lot of speculation will be blurred into the 'discovery' process as well.

The Tennesseean story from this morning clarifies a couple of points:

July 4, 2009

Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi killed

By Kate Howard, Jaime Sarrio and Chris Echegaray

THE TENNESSEAN

...

“Anyone can get famous,” said McCracken, who attends five or more Titans games a year. “But it takes a genuinely moral person to be a leader. He wasn’t just a football player, he was a leader.”

Link

A stunning illustration of how too many people confuse morality with achievement. Being a good leader on the field is by no means indicative of "genuine morality", yet way too many people confuse the two. Because McNair was a good player, by all accounts a good teammate, and outwardly a solid representative of the game we all love is by no means an indication of the man's inherent morality. Particularly disappointing to see that quote in an article like this, because it obscures the fact that a man is dead and regardless of his moral compass, shouldn't be.

+3This sad and sensless violence is uncomprehendable to me. Mcnair was someone I admired for his football skills and apparent charitable soul.

The whole of Ones actions determine if One is considered great. You cannot parse some character aspects from other less desirable ones. They make up the entirity of Ones character.

Every human being on this earth is flawed. It's just my two cents, but I truly believe while Steve McNair's personal life is open to criticism, judging his entire character based on it is flawed in itself. He showed great character in his profession. If you can take those things and use them for good, then there is benefit. I think its dangerous to teach others that life is so simple that you can't recognize goodness in flaws and if it isn't exactly how you view it, then it's not worthwhile. Getting into what is the correct direction for person's moral compass is tricky enough in itself. I'd prefer to see him completely as a person and admire what he did that was inspiring while understand he had failings.

 

[Jason Wood]

+3This sad and sensless violence is uncomprehendable to me. Mcnair was someone I admired for his football skills and apparent charitable soul. The whole of Ones actions determine if One is considered great. You cannot parse some character aspects from other less desirable ones. They make up the entirity of Ones character.

Every human being on this earth is flawed. It's just my two cents, but I truly believe while Steve McNair's personal life is open to criticism, judging his entire character based on it is flawed in itself. He showed great character in his profession. If you can take those things and use them for good, then there is benefit. I think its dangerous to teach others that life is so simple that you can't recognize goodness in flaws and if it isn't exactly how you view it, then it's not worthwhile. Getting into what is the correct direction for person's moral compass is tricky enough in itself. I'd prefer to see him completely as a person and admire what he did that was inspiring while understand he had failings.

I agree Matt, which was the point I was trying to make. It's a dangerous game when we start ascribing morality to a person based on their outward professional and charitable contributions. There are so many reasons to mourn the absurdity of what's happened to McNair and to appreciate about the character traits we actually know him to possess, without muddying the story with something like morality -- which given the circumstances -- obscures the story in many eyes.

 

[LabelMan]

Sad day in Titan country.

McNair and the newly crowned TN TITANS arrived in Nashville the same year I did. Very very sad.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Every human being on this earth is flawed. It's just my two cents, but I truly believe while Steve McNair's personal life is open to criticism, judging his entire character based on it is flawed in itself. He showed great character in his profession. If you can take those things and use them for good, then there is benefit. I think its dangerous to teach others that life is so simple that you can't recognize goodness in flaws and if it isn't exactly how you view it, then it's not worthwhile. Getting into what is the correct direction for person's moral compass is tricky enough in itself. I'd prefer to see him completely as a person and admire what he did that was inspiring while understand he had failings.

On top of that some ppl are trying to criticize him without knowing anything about his marriage. Perhaps his wife was cheating on him as well, perhaps it was an unhappy marriage and they spent all their time together fighting. Perhaps she was abusive(it's rare for the wife to be the abuser but not unheard of). Perhaps she witheld any type of affection from him. Perhaps they were unofficially separated but maintaining a pretense of a marriage for their children's sake. The bottom line is we can only judge him by what we know: what we saw on the field, what ppl who knew him a heck of a lot better than all of us combined have to say about him as an athlete and as a person and what he did to give back to society

 

[fatness]

I agree Matt, which was the point I was trying to make. It's a dangerous game when we start ascribing morality to a person based on their outward professional and charitable contributions. There are so many reasons to mourn the absurdity of what's happened to McNair and to appreciate about the character traits we actually know him to possess, without muddying the story with something like morality -- which given the circumstances -- obscures the story in many eyes.

This whole thread is muddied with morality. If you're going to decry it how about decrying both sides of it, including the one that sets up soapboxes every time there's a death of a non-perfect person?

 

[fatness]

Metro police on Sunday released more details into the death of former Titan quarterback Steve McNair and his friend, Sahel Kazemi. Police spokesman Don Aaron said autopsies had been performed on both bodies Sunday. Preliminary results show McNair was shot four times at close range. Aaron said he was hit twice in the head and twice in the chest. Kazemi was shot once, a single wound in the head. Aaron says preliminary ballistics tests show the gun found under Kazemi's body appears to be that that fired the shots.

As for the investigation, Aaron said the police department has learned McNair and Kazemi had been dating for a few months. The website TMZ.com has photos of the two, reportedly vacationing. Aaron said police investigators still have many people they want to interview. "We have not ruled out any scenarios" he said, adding that detectives plan to talk to Kazemi's friends and her ex-boyfriend.

Aaron says a variety of tests will be conducted from today's autopsies including tissue samples and toxicology reports which routinely take weeks for results. Aaron said police are busy today interviewing people and will likely be doing the same for days to come.

Fox 17 Nashville

 

[fatness]

A semiautomatic pistol was found underneath Kazemi's body, but not until investigators were preparing to move the bodies several hours after they were discovered.

Aaron said Sunday that police believe the deaths occurred early in the morning Saturday, perhaps as much as 12 hours prior to the bodies being discovered.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/212358-...eath-a-homicide

 

[Matt Waldman]

Kazemi's sister's account

We'll see what we learn about the divorce proceedings if there were any. According to the sister it sounds as if divorce proceedings were going on for months, however it could be what he led her to believe. The McNair home is for sale, but there are no divorce proceedings registered in Nashville.

If McNair is like his teammates and colleagues say, he could have been separated from his wife for months and dating Kazemi and very straight up about it. At this point the murder could have been a homicide/suicide. It could have been a break-in and killing to look like it was such by people they knew or didn't know. Hopefully, we'll find out definitively.

Tough to speculate about Kazemi. I just had a co-worker gun down his wife and two of her friends at a community theater in April and I wouldn't have suspected him of behaving this way. Most of us wouldn't have, despite some of the things reported in outlets on CNN by people who had a lecture class with him or were people prone to exaggeration (one I know personally whose past behavior calls into question anything they would say).

Sad...

 

[Mystery Achiever]

It could have been a break-in and killing to look like it was such by people they knew or didn't know. Hopefully, we'll find out definitively.

If staged, it seems like a strange place to put the gun, vs. in her hand or next to the body. Isn't gunshot residue a test that has quick results? Or have I been watching to many crime dramas?

 

[Jason Wood]

I agree Matt, which was the point I was trying to make. It's a dangerous game when we start ascribing morality to a person based on their outward professional and charitable contributions. There are so many reasons to mourn the absurdity of what's happened to McNair and to appreciate about the character traits we actually know him to possess, without muddying the story with something like morality -- which given the circumstances -- obscures the story in many eyes.

This whole thread is muddied with morality. If you're going to decry it how about decrying both sides of it, including the one that sets up soapboxes every time there's a death of a non-perfect person?

You're missing the point entirely. This particular situation may be totally on the up and up, but WE DON'T KNOW. I was reacting to a specific comment by a specific person in the newspaper article who stated that you HAVE TO BE MORAL to be a leader on and off the field, which is patently false on every level.Although I hardly think the particulars will mean much to his children, I sincerely hope the extenuating circumstances read more like FTRWRTR's scenario.

 

[Lucky Lefty]

"Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone." -- John 8:7

So, let's keep our hands in our pockets please....

 

[topdawg24]

Farrah FawcettMichael JacksonBilly MaysKarl MaldenSteve McNair All will be missed...... Steve just hit a little harder with me....RIPPrayers to all his family....Sad Day

And don't forget Ed McMahon just a week ago.

The "death in 3s" thing is out of control:Ed McMahonFarrahMichaelGale StormBilly MaysFred TravalenaKarl MaldenSteve McNairAlexis Argeullo (Great Boxer) Added to the listUnfortunately, my money would be on Walter Cronkite. Apparently, his health has really deteriorated.As for MacNair, like everyone else I am speechless. What a waste. 36 and 4 sons. Just sad. Very sad. I am sad about this.

 

[ahill84006]

"Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone." -- John 8:7So, let's keep our hands in our pockets please....

AMEN.

 

[thecardiackid]

A semiautomatic pistol was found underneath Kazemi's body, but not until investigators were preparing to move the bodies several hours after they were discovered.

Aaron said Sunday that police believe the deaths occurred early in the morning Saturday, perhaps as much as 12 hours prior to the bodies being discovered.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/212358-...eath-a-homicide

What kind of area was this, where MULTIPLE gunshots are fired, 2 people are violently killed, and no one calls 911?

 

[Jason Wood]

A semiautomatic pistol was found underneath Kazemi's body, but not until investigators were preparing to move the bodies several hours after they were discovered.

Aaron said Sunday that police believe the deaths occurred early in the morning Saturday, perhaps as much as 12 hours prior to the bodies being discovered.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/212358-...eath-a-homicide

What kind of area was this, where MULTIPLE gunshots are fired, 2 people are violently killed, and no one calls 911?

Unfortunately a lot of places are like that :(

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

A semiautomatic pistol was found underneath Kazemi's body, but not until investigators were preparing to move the bodies several hours after they were discovered.

Aaron said Sunday that police believe the deaths occurred early in the morning Saturday, perhaps as much as 12 hours prior to the bodies being discovered.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/212358-...eath-a-homicide

What kind of area was this, where MULTIPLE gunshots are fired, 2 people are violently killed, and no one calls 911?

Unfortunately a lot of places are like that

well with it begin 4th of July and all Im sure an indoor gun firing might sound alot like a firework.

 

[simey]

It could have been a break-in and killing to look like it was such by people they knew or didn't know. Hopefully, we'll find out definitively.

If staged, it seems like a strange place to put the gun, vs. in her hand or next to the body. Isn't gunshot residue a test that has quick results? Or have I been watching to many crime dramas?

I read today that they are waiting for the ballistics results to see if the woman's gunshot wound was self-inflicted.

 

[Guster]

It could have been a break-in and killing to look like it was such by people they knew or didn't know. Hopefully, we'll find out definitively.

If staged, it seems like a strange place to put the gun, vs. in her hand or next to the body. Isn't gunshot residue a test that has quick results? Or have I been watching to many crime dramas?

Thought I read somewhere that the door to the condo was still locked too

 

[Bri]

Every human being on this earth is flawed. It's just my two cents, but I truly believe while Steve McNair's personal life is open to criticism, judging his entire character based on it is flawed in itself. He showed great character in his profession. If you can take those things and use them for good, then there is benefit. I think its dangerous to teach others that life is so simple that you can't recognize goodness in flaws and if it isn't exactly how you view it, then it's not worthwhile. Getting into what is the correct direction for person's moral compass is tricky enough in itself. I'd prefer to see him completely as a person and admire what he did that was inspiring while understand he had failings.

eloquent

 

[Cowtippers]

first, let me say that I agree with those who have posted earlier.....this is a tragedy and I feel terrible for his family especially his children...

as a parent, I have to wonder what was going thru his mind earlier when he got into the car being driven by his 20 year old girlfriend - who according to accounts was intoxicated and refused a field sobriety test. It just sounds like as a parent, he was making some fairly irrational choices.......but guess I could be wrong.

I hurt for his kids......I really do....

 

[Ghost Rider]

Terrible news. It is a sad weekend for the NFL.

 

[gregjcross]

Pics of girl and her new black Escalade popping up on message boards. How fast this stuff trickles out for mass consumption is amazing. The press barely matters in these stories other than sorting through the debris and giving added color...

http://niketalk.yuku.com/reply/6220292/t/B...ml#reply-622029

I admire McNair the person and player. I hope the best for his family.

 

[buster c]

Classic McNair

I'm sure we'll be overwhelmed with sordid details in the days to come. I'll throw out the above link, which represented my most cherished McNair memory.

He was on my 2002 FFL team and visiting NY. I was also in NY, with my wife-to-be, for the long Thanksgiving weekend. Sunday morning was freezing cold - brutal winds. As I tried to get into the Christmas spirit while suffering in the cold in Union Square, all I could think was WDIS? Should I play Trent Green at home vs AZ.

Long story short, I ended up going with McNair because he was a warrior who I felt could overcome a stout opponent on the road in weather. As my girl dropped me off at a Grand Central Station bar to watch the 2nd half (it's no wonder she became my wife), I witnessed a classic OT thriller, cheering on McNair's exploits in a room full of Giant fans (and making the right FFL call too).

RIP

 

[T Bell]

"Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone." -- John 8:7So, let's keep our hands in our pockets please....

Clearly, the Book of John said nothing about .38's.

 

[Facemask]

Sad

 

[munchkin]

"Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone." -- John 8:7So, let's keep our hands in our pockets please....

Clearly, the Book of John said nothing about .38's.

The method is irrelevant, SIN is the object word in that statement.

 

[Two Deep]

Why did this Neely character call this Gady dude wait for him to come to the apartment and then Gady makes the call to police? This seems suspicious.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Why did this Neely character call this Gady dude wait for him to come to the apartment and then Gady makes the call to police? This seems suspicious.

It is a shocking situation to walk into and McNair was with another woman. I imagine it is not that strange to panic and need to call someone. Doesn't mean he waited so he could move the gun under the body. And what would be the point? Unless you think Neely was the shooter, what would he need time to do?Same thing happened with Heather Ledger. I don't remember which called 911, but whoever found him called one of the Olsen twins first.

 

[AB in DC]

Very strange to me. Maybe Steve was breaking it off with her and wanted to come back to his wife. So many disturbing questions with this.

Murder is impossible to decipher, because it's not a logical act in the first place. We can drive ourselves crazy trying to explain the WHY of something as senseless as this. The facts will, unfortunately, continue to come to light and probably a lot of speculation will be blurred into the 'discovery' process as well.

The only way I can put the pieces together is this:1) Kazemi was arrested two days earlier and McNair bailed her out (confirmed)2) Something about that incident caused McNair to reconsider their relationship (lots of possibilities here)3) McNair said something to Kazemi about their relationship that set her off

 

[switz]

So the guy was cheating on his wife and the mother of his 4 children. Obviously not a reason for him to die, but enough for me not to really care.

I care if anyone dies... regardless of the circumstances. I do however agree, you reap what you sow. Cheat on your wife, and something bad is bound to happen.

 

[switz]

"Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone." -- John 8:7So, let's keep our hands in our pockets please....

Clearly, the Book of John said nothing about .38's.

The method is irrelevant, SIN is the object word in that statement.

Nevermind that that entire section of scripture is not contained in numerous early manuscripts, and was likely added to the Bible by the Catholic Church and runs contrary to the rest of the Bible's teachings.Ah whatever, this is clearly moving into FFA territory.

 

[zed2283]

"Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone." -- John 8:7So, let's keep our hands in our pockets please....

Clearly, the Book of John said nothing about .38's.

The method is irrelevant, SIN is the object word in that statement.

Nevermind that that entire section of scripture is not contained in numerous early manuscripts, and was likely added to the Bible by the Catholic Church and runs contrary to the rest of the Bible's teachings.Ah whatever, this is clearly moving into FFA territory.

Turn the other cheek? Do unto others? We're talking about the New Testament here.

 

[MG345]

So the guy was cheating on his wife and the mother of his 4 children. Obviously not a reason for him to die, but enough for me not to really care.

I care if anyone dies

... regardless of the circumstances. I do however agree, you reap what you sow. Cheat on your wife, and something bad is bound to happen.

Considering ~150,000 people die daily, you must be a very sad person. Hell you must not get anything done in a day, considering how much you care about all those people, you must be stuck grieving all day long.

 

[BaBastage]

"Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone." -- John 8:7So, let's keep our hands in our pockets please....

Clearly, the Book of John said nothing about .38's.

The method is irrelevant, SIN is the object word in that statement.

You're not a big student of are you?Anyhow, this is sad news. It's still to early to make judgments. Maybe it was maybe murder-suicide, maybe just homicide. Maybe Steve was cheating on his wife, maybe the relationship was out in the open.Time might tell, we'll see.In the end, the NFL and its fans took a hit this weekend.RIP Steve.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Why did this Neely character call this Gady dude wait for him to come to the apartment and then Gady makes the call to police? This seems suspicious.

It is a shocking situation to walk into and McNair was with another woman. I imagine it is not that strange to panic and need to call someone. Doesn't mean he waited so he could move the gun under the body. And what would be the point? Unless you think Neely was the shooter, what would he need time to do?Same thing happened with Heather Ledger. I don't remember which called 911, but whoever found him called one of the Olsen twins first.

what would the olsen twins do?

 

[Yenrub]

So the guy was cheating on his wife and the mother of his 4 children. Obviously not a reason for him to die, but enough for me not to really care.

I care if anyone dies... regardless of the circumstances. I do however agree, you reap what you sow. Cheat on your wife, and something bad is bound to happen.

Do we know for sure that he was cheating?

 

[identikit]

So the guy was cheating on his wife and the mother of his 4 children. Obviously not a reason for him to die, but enough for me not to really care.

I care if anyone dies... regardless of the circumstances. I do however agree, you reap what you sow. Cheat on your wife, and something bad is bound to happen.

Do we know for sure that he was cheating?

Pretty much, yeah...