Steve Smith & Matt Moore (1 Viewer)

[Binky The Doormat]

I figured that Smith would be happy with anyone else but Jake. Moore looked awful and rookie-like in their first preseason game. I have been looking but haven't seen anything but the small quote below. Any homers with some insight into these two working extra together to establish a rapport, timing, etc??

Matt Moore: Smith strongly endorses QB Matt Moore

Matt Moore - QB - CAR - Aug. 14 - 5:59 pm et

Star receiver Steve Smith strongly endorses Matt Moore as the Panthers quarterback now and for the future.

"Matt Moore is good," Smith said. "He's going to be great." It's nice for Moore to have the de facto leader of the offense in his corner, but he's going to be looking over his shoulder at Jimmy Clausen throughout the season. Moore is in a contract year, so his future in Carolina remains up in the air. Aug. 14 - 5:59 pm et

Source: ESPN.com

 

[sobersometimes]

UM............Steve Smith broke his arm about a month ago playing flag football at one of the local YMCA's in Charlotte and had a 2nd steel pin put into his arm (same arm he broke late last season) Moore to Smith combo will be fine. Smitty is still top 10 Fantasy WR imo.

 

[SSOG]

Smith averaged 95 yards per game in the games Moore started last year. I'd say their chemistry is fine, regardless of how Moore looked in a preseason game.

 

[Bayhawks]

I figured that Smith would be happy with anyone else but Jake. Moore looked awful and rookie-like in their first preseason game. I have been looking but haven't seen anything but the small quote below. Any homers with some insight into these two working extra together to establish a rapport, timing, etc?? Matt Moore: Smith strongly endorses QB Matt Moore Matt Moore - QB - CAR - Aug. 14 - 5:59 pm et Star receiver Steve Smith strongly endorses Matt Moore as the Panthers quarterback now and for the future."Matt Moore is good," Smith said. "He's going to be great." It's nice for Moore to have the de facto leader of the offense in his corner, but he's going to be looking over his shoulder at Jimmy Clausen throughout the season. Moore is in a contract year, so his future in Carolina remains up in the air. Aug. 14 - 5:59 pm et Source: ESPN.com

As was previously posted, Smith hasn't been able to do anything (catching on the sidelines a few times, I heard), so they haven't had the opportunity to "establish" any connection or rapport. However, Smith has been supportive of him, and they did fine at the end of last season, so it shouldn't be a problem, IMO.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

How do you see S Smith CAR shaping up against these guys who are going a little before and after him

12. 1.12 Boldin, Anquan BAL WR 36.52 15 77 149

13. 2.01 Smith, Steve NYG WR 38.18 17 83 149

14. 2.02 Rice, Sidney MIN WR 40.60 14 155 146

15. 2.03 Crabtree, Michael SFO WR 43.45 21 115 148

16. 2.04 Smith, Steve CAR WR 45.34 16 102 149

17. 2.05 Welker, Wes NEP WR 46.06 22 135 148

18. 2.06 Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR 47.91 19 134 148

19. 2.07 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 56.88 22 133 145

20. 2.08 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 58.08 30 162 147

I see him at the top ...

S Smith

Welker

Nicks

S Rice

Crab

Smith NYG

Ward

Ocho (good year - just too much to split with TO)

Bowe

Boldin

 

[Bayhawks]

How do you see S Smith CAR shaping up against these guys who are going a little before and after him12. 1.12 Boldin, Anquan BAL WR 36.52 15 77 149 13. 2.01 Smith, Steve NYG WR 38.18 17 83 149 14. 2.02 Rice, Sidney MIN WR 40.60 14 155 146 15. 2.03 Crabtree, Michael SFO WR 43.45 21 115 148 16. 2.04 Smith, Steve CAR WR 45.34 16 102 149 17. 2.05 Welker, Wes NEP WR 46.06 22 135 148 18. 2.06 Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR 47.91 19 134 148 19. 2.07 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 56.88 22 133 145 20. 2.08 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 58.08 30 162 147 I see him at the top ...S SmithWelkerNicksS RiceCrabSmith NYGWardOcho (good year - just too much to split with TO)BoweBoldin

Welker (knee), Rice (hip), Smith NYG (hip) are all hurt or recovering from an injury. Crabtree has A Smith as his QB, hasn't proven much yet, and is reportedly a little banged up now. Ocho Cinco is iffy, IMO; if Cincy decides to emphasize the pass more, I feel Palmer could put up some decent numbers and he could benefit-whether they do that or not isn't sure though. Ward should put up around 1000-1100 and 6-8 TDs, but Ben being out 4 (or 6) games could hurt. That leaves Bowe, Boldin, and Smith CAR.Personally, with what I'm hearing out of Baltimore, I am starting to think Boldin could have a decent year (1100+ yards and 8+ TDs). I like Bowe, as well. I'd have those two and Smith CAR in the same tier, and would be happy with any of the 3.

 

[cr8f]

UM............Steve Smith broke his arm about a month ago playing flag football at one of the local YMCA's in Charlotte and had a 2nd steel pin put into his arm (same arm he broke late last season) Moore to Smith combo will be fine. Smitty is still top 10 Fantasy WR imo.

I think he's going to be pissed off and eager to show he's still a top WR.I love a pissed off Steve Smith(unless he's punching someone).

 

[pantherclub]

People need to stop talking about smith. He is incredibly undervalued right now. Since people are down on the Panthers, down on moore and expect Clausen to step in midseason they are forgetting the solid numbers Moore/Smith put up in limited time working together. Smith is an absolute steal in the late 3rd round.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

UM............Steve Smith broke his arm about a month ago playing flag football at one of the local YMCA's in Charlotte and had a 2nd steel pin put into his arm (same arm he broke late last season) Moore to Smith combo will be fine. Smitty is still top 10 Fantasy WR imo.

I think he's going to be pissed off and eager to show he's still a top WR.I love a pissed off Steve Smith(unless he's punching someone).

as long as it's not me, I don't mind.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I just got him at the top of the sixth round in my ten-team league. Everybody was down on him. I'm pretty happy.

 

[fightingillini]

People need to stop talking about smith. He is incredibly undervalued right now. Since people are down on the Panthers, down on moore and expect Clausen to step in midseason they are forgetting the solid numbers Moore/Smith put up in limited time working together. Smith is an absolute steal in the late 3rd round.

This.In fact you could get him later than the 3rd round.....which makes him an even bigger steal. He could have a monster year. I love it that people are down on him.......keep it up!!!!!!!

 

[pantherclub]

People need to stop talking about smith. He is incredibly undervalued right now. Since people are down on the Panthers, down on moore and expect Clausen to step in midseason they are forgetting the solid numbers Moore/Smith put up in limited time working together. Smith is an absolute steal in the late 3rd round.

This.In fact you could get him later than the 3rd round.....which makes him an even bigger steal. He could have a monster year. I love it that people are down on him.......keep it up!!!!!!!

Not sure what your idea of monster is but I would say something like. 80 rec. 1200yds 7tds. To me that is easily attainable for Smith.

 

[fightingillini]

People need to stop talking about smith. He is incredibly undervalued right now. Since people are down on the Panthers, down on moore and expect Clausen to step in midseason they are forgetting the solid numbers Moore/Smith put up in limited time working together. Smith is an absolute steal in the late 3rd round.

This.In fact you could get him later than the 3rd round.....which makes him an even bigger steal. He could have a monster year. I love it that people are down on him.......keep it up!!!!!!!

Not sure what your idea of monster is but I would say something like. 80 rec. 1200yds 7tds. To me that is easily attainable for Smith.

Note I said could.......not will.Sure, your numbers are approximately my base projection for Smith. IMO he has big upside based on his current draft position.......if things really go well, he could get something like 95-1400-11......that's a monster year, and would easily be in the top 5 WRs. He did average 95 yds a game with Moore at QB.....might be tough to continue that, but it could happen.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

What kind of week does everyone see for Steve Smith on Sunday? Does he unleash hell on the team that broke his arm (the first time) last year, or will it take some time to shake the rust off?

 

[Phantom Knight]

I see him at the top ...

S Smith

Welker

Nicks

S Rice

Crab

Smith NYG

Ward

Ocho (good year - just too much to split with TO)

Bowe

Boldin

I see something similar.Tier 1

Smith (Car)

Welker

Tier 2

Smith NY

Rice

Nicks

Tier 3

Bowe

Crabtree

Boldin

Ocho

Tier 4

Ward

 

[Eastwood]

I think he's going to be pissed off and eager to show he's still a top WR.I love a pissed off Steve Smith(unless he's punching someone).

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I don't know if it's Coughlin. I don't know if it was a Bill Sheridan thing. And I don't know if Fewell will carry on the tradition. But Steve Smith hasn't traditionally performed very well against the Giants.

 

[SSOG]

I don't know if it's Coughlin. I don't know if it was a Bill Sheridan thing. And I don't know if Fewell will carry on the tradition. But Steve Smith hasn't traditionally performed very well against the Giants.

Traditionally? He's played them 4 times in his career. One of those times was back in 2003 and doesn't really have anything to do with anything at this point in time. In the other 3 games, he's topped 60 total yards in all 3. He hasn't put up any monster games, but his 3-game averages would pro-rate to 1040 yards from scrimmage and 5 scores. That's pretty solid production. Not all-pro like production, but I'd hardly say he struggles against a team that hasn't held him below 60 yards since 2003. Especially since we're dealing with a sample size of 3, here.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I don't know if it's Coughlin. I don't know if it was a Bill Sheridan thing. And I don't know if Fewell will carry on the tradition. But Steve Smith hasn't traditionally performed very well against the Giants.

Traditionally? He's played them 4 times in his career. One of those times was back in 2003 and doesn't really have anything to do with anything at this point in time. In the other 3 games, he's topped 60 total yards in all 3. He hasn't put up any monster games, but his 3-game averages would pro-rate to 1040 yards from scrimmage and 5 scores. That's pretty solid production. Not all-pro like production, but I'd hardly say he struggles against a team that hasn't held him below 60 yards since 2003. Especially since we're dealing with a sample size of 3, here.

So just to be clear...the question was, what does everyone see from Steve Smith vs the Giants?My input: Traditionally he hasn't performed very well against them. End of input. Interesting factoid. Do with it what you will.

Your rebuttal:

- "he's hardly struggled"...seems irrelevant, since nobody said he struggled, merely that he hadn't performed very well

- his history against them prorates to 1040/5...which seems to support my point, as this is clearly not performing "very well", especially for an elite WR. Indeed, a season like this out of a top WR pick would be a fantasy season killer. And I'd remind you, the history actually prorates to significantly less than that, since you chose to roll your virtual eyes at the idea that I'd throw out the word "traditionally" to describe a handful of games over a lengthy NFL career, yet conveniently threw away one of the earlier data points when it didn't support your already flimsy argument.

- his history against them is a small sample...true, but not when compared to the size of the counter example -- games where he HAS "performed very well" -- which amounts to zero games.

If your argument is that based on the data we might suggest he's in line for 60 yards and a coinflip's chance at a TD, then we agree.

If your argument is that 60 yards and a coinflip's chance at a TD is very good production, then we disagree.

If your argument is that there's not enough data to base anything on, then I'm not sure who you're arguing against.

All I've said is he has no history of production versus the Giants that suggests it's a particularly good matchup for him. Draw your own conclusions about whether it's a schematic matchup issue (which then might still be relevant, since Coughlin is still coach), or statistically irrelevant noise.

 

[SSOG]

If your argument is that based on the data we might suggest he's in line for 60 yards and a coinflip's chance at a TD, then we agree.If your argument is that 60 yards and a coinflip's chance at a TD is very good production, then we disagree.If your argument is that there's not enough data to base anything on, then I'm not sure who you're arguing against.All I've said is he has no history of production versus the Giants that suggests it's a particularly good matchup for him. Draw your own conclusions about whether it's a schematic matchup issue (which then might still be relevant, since Coughlin is still coach), or statistically irrelevant noise.

- My argument is that based on the data, in the past he's been good for 60 yards and a coinflip's chance at a TD.- My argument is that 60 yards and a coinflip's chance at a TD isn't "very good" production, but it's hardly a history of struggling. It's a solid enough game. While it would suck if my star receiver put up 10 of them in a row, I wouldn't even bat an eye if he put up one of them (unless he was playing the Detroit Lions or something).- My argument is that we have no data to base anything on, and suggesting someone struggles against a particular team because he "only" got 60 yards against them 4 years ago seems pretty darn silly to me. What does this year's team have in common with that team that makes you think that data is relevant? What does this year's team have in common with the 2003 team that makes you question my decision to throw out the data point? Do you have any actionable theories here, or are you just saying "hey, by what is likely merely a statistical fluke perpetuated by an unbelievably small sample size over a 4-year span, Steve Smith has performed adequately-but-not-great against the New York Giants in the past, so perhaps as a result we should be regarding this as a bad matchup."?

 

[groin pains]

I also was able to snag him in the 3rd round of a 16 team league. I was very happy to get him there considering his potential value. Although, I am seriously considering benching him this week. Why? I would really like to see the chemistry between Smith and Moore. Smith has not practiced nor played in any preseason games. I can't help to think there will be some rust. He is currently penciled in at my Flex spot, but thinking of rolling with Leaon Washington in our PPR and return yardage league.

 

[simey]

I also was able to snag him in the 3rd round of a 16 team league. I was very happy to get him there considering his potential value. Although, I am seriously considering benching him this week. Why? I would really like to see the chemistry between Smith and Moore. Smith has not practiced nor played in any preseason games. I can't help to think there will be some rust. He is currently penciled in at my Flex spot, but thinking of rolling with Leaon Washington in our PPR and return yardage league.

There may be some rust, but Smith has practiced. He has been practicing in full since after the 2nd preseason game.

 

[FGITLOTR]

Sit Smith at your own risk--from all reports he has looked good in practice this summer

 

[ChromeWeasel]

Sit Smith at your own risk--from all reports he has looked good in practice this summer

Giants D was second worst ranked for receiving touchdowns allowed last year and allowed the third most points against. Looks like a good match for Smith to me.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

People need to stop talking about smith. He is incredibly undervalued right now. Since people are down on the Panthers, down on moore and expect Clausen to step in midseason they are forgetting the solid numbers Moore/Smith put up in limited time working together. Smith is an absolute steal in the late 3rd round.

I got him in the 4th of an12 team keep 4, which roughly translates to the 6-7th round. Thats' nuts.

Pick Team Player Elapsed Time Pts1 Run Williams Run Crabtree, Michael WR SF 5 sec 0/02 Great Lakes Violators Forte, Matt RB CHI 5 min 12 sec 0/03 Midnight Marauders Romo, Tony QB DAL 20 sec 0/04 Hobo Sex Predators Bowe, Dwayne WR KC 27 sec 0/05 Prestige Worldwide Spiller, C.J. RB BUF 1 min 36 sec 0/06 Under The Blade Smith, Steve WR CAR 1 min 7 sec 0/07 Coach Cal's Recruits Driver, Donald WR GB 3 min 20 sec 0/08 Ghetto Fabulous Cutler, Jay QB CHI 5 min 31 sec 0/09 Baba Booey Hightower, Tim RB ARI 1 min 15 sec 0/010 Yazoo Street Scandal Witten, Jason TE DAL 10 sec 0/011 E-ville Who Grant, Ryan RB GB (Keeper) 0 sec 0/012 Luck Merchants Owens, Terrell WR CIN

 

[Avery]

Sit Smith at your own risk--from all reports he has looked good in practice this summer

Giants D was second worst ranked for receiving touchdowns allowed last year and allowed the third most points against. Looks like a good match for Smith to me.

I'm starting Smith, but last years Giants secondary was abysmal, they were starting CBs and street FAs at safety and their defensive coordinator was a train wreck. Add to that injuires on the front negated much of their pass rush.This year Phillips is back with Rolle and Grant at safety. Ross is questionable for the 3rd CB but this pass D (and rush D) should be much improved. Add to that a new defensive coordinator with different schemes.Again, not saying to bench Smith and he well could have a great game, but an argument based on a defense last year that bears little resemblance to what the Giants have right now seems not that well though out.

 

[harryhood]

Sit Smith at your own risk--from all reports he has looked good in practice this summer

Giants D was second worst ranked for receiving touchdowns allowed last year and allowed the third most points against. Looks like a good match for Smith to me.

I'm starting Smith, but last years Giants secondary was abysmal, they were starting CBs and street FAs at safety and their defensive coordinator was a train wreck. Add to that injuires on the front negated much of their pass rush.This year Phillips is back with Rolle and Grant at safety. Ross is questionable for the 3rd CB but this pass D (and rush D) should be much improved. Add to that a new defensive coordinator with different schemes.Again, not saying to bench Smith and he well could have a great game, but an argument based on a defense last year that bears little resemblance to what the Giants have right now seems not that well though out.

Avery gets it. Go look up what Aaron Rouse, Kevin Dockery and Mike Johnson are doing these days.

 

[Avery]

Sit Smith at your own risk--from all reports he has looked good in practice this summer

Giants D was second worst ranked for receiving touchdowns allowed last year and allowed the third most points against. Looks like a good match for Smith to me.

I'm starting Smith, but last years Giants secondary was abysmal, they were starting CBs and street FAs at safety and their defensive coordinator was a train wreck. Add to that injuires on the front negated much of their pass rush.This year Phillips is back with Rolle and Grant at safety. Ross is questionable for the 3rd CB but this pass D (and rush D) should be much improved. Add to that a new defensive coordinator with different schemes.Again, not saying to bench Smith and he well could have a great game, but an argument based on a defense last year that bears little resemblance to what the Giants have right now seems not that well though out.

Avery gets it. Go look up what Aaron Rouse, Kevin Dockery and Mike Johnson are doing these days.

Unfortunately, Mike Johnson is currently collecting a paycheck as the 4th safety for the New York Football Giants.

 

[harryhood]

Sit Smith at your own risk--from all reports he has looked good in practice this summer

Giants D was second worst ranked for receiving touchdowns allowed last year and allowed the third most points against. Looks like a good match for Smith to me.

I'm starting Smith, but last years Giants secondary was abysmal, they were starting CBs and street FAs at safety and their defensive coordinator was a train wreck. Add to that injuires on the front negated much of their pass rush.This year Phillips is back with Rolle and Grant at safety. Ross is questionable for the 3rd CB but this pass D (and rush D) should be much improved. Add to that a new defensive coordinator with different schemes.Again, not saying to bench Smith and he well could have a great game, but an argument based on a defense last year that bears little resemblance to what the Giants have right now seems not that well though out.

Avery gets it. Go look up what Aaron Rouse, Kevin Dockery and Mike Johnson are doing these days.

Unfortunately, Mike Johnson is currently collecting a paycheck as the 4th safety for the New York Football Giants.

That is better than CC brown collecting one.

 

[Avery]

I'm starting Smith, but last years Giants secondary was abysmal, they were starting CBs and street FAs at safety and their defensive coordinator was a train wreck. Add to that injuires on the front negated much of their pass rush.This year Phillips is back with Rolle and Grant at safety. Ross is questionable for the 3rd CB but this pass D (and rush D) should be much improved. Add to that a new defensive coordinator with different schemes.Again, not saying to bench Smith and he well could have a great game, but an argument based on a defense last year that bears little resemblance to what the Giants have right now seems not that well though out.

Avery gets it. Go look up what Aaron Rouse, Kevin Dockery and Mike Johnson are doing these days.

Unfortunately, Mike Johnson is currently collecting a paycheck as the 4th safety for the New York Football Giants.

That is better than CC brown collecting one.

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