Steve Smith (NYG) to Philly (1 Viewer)

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.....

 

[netnalp]

Go get Jerrel Jurnigan

So is this the guy to get then? What about Hixon and Cruz? I know Hixon has been recovering himself and it's been said that Cruz might be dropping too many balls to be Manning's safety net in the slot.

No on Jerrigan. A few years ago when Beckum missed OTAs and camp time during his rookie year, when Gilbride was asked what his expectations were, he basically said not very high because his experience was when rookies miss that time, they tend not to do well their first season. Gilbride used Manningham as his example of how missing the time makes the year a wash unless the player turns out to be a rare talent that can overcome the lost time. Jerrigan has missed time due to the lockout. Cruz will be assumed to be the guy due to last preseason. But look at the camp reports Devin Thomas has been the one that has impressed. He split open a finger and missed a few days but was back practicing Monday. I don't know if Thomas or Mannigham will move to the slot.Darius Reynaud has been lighting up camp as a WR as well. So I'd say it's between Devin Thomas and Darius Reynaud.http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/08/giants_wide_receiver_darius_re.htmlLink mostly tells how impressive Reynaud has been and Cruz's slow camp. Mentions an impressive catch by Thomas, but he also had a drop.Looks like Smith never gave the Giants a chance to match the offer, he must have been upset with the team. Can't say the Giants didn't have the time to sign him. One interesting not, is the Giants team physician is the one who did Smith's surgery. So they knew his situation. Regardless I think this was a case where the Giants didn't think Smith was going to get other offers, and Smith was able to call their bluff.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Do they even need him?

hey Steve, bring your play book and lets break down some film. I dont care that you wont play until November

THIS - excellent intelligence on their #1 rival in NFC East (sorry Dallas fans) - player tendencies, etc. - how to get in Eli Manning's head - WELL worth 2 million guaranteed, like having a spy in the Giants' film room...PLUS if his knee gets right, they are ABSOLUTELY loaded for the late-season playoff runAnother excellent signing for the Eagles. Jason Wood and Jeff Pasquino are REALLY going to love this season, IMO.

 

[abe froman]

Do they even need him?

hey Steve, bring your play book and lets break down some film. I dont care that you wont play until November

THIS - excellent intelligence on their #1 rival in NFC East (sorry Dallas fans) - player tendencies, etc. - how to get in Eli Manning's head - WELL worth 2 million guaranteed, like having a spy in the Giants' film room...PLUS if his knee gets right, they are ABSOLUTELY loaded for the late-season playoff runAnother excellent signing for the Eagles. Jason Wood and Jeff Pasquino are REALLY going to love this season, IMO.

perfect opportunity for the Browns to get a WR.. Im pissed right now! Thats fairly cheap and we can wait for the injury to heal.. WTF? Its not like he wasnt on our radar, we were lobbying back during the Braylon deal..

 

[hutchins929]

Do they even need him?

hey Steve, bring your play book and lets break down some film. I dont care that you wont play until November

THIS - excellent intelligence on their #1 rival in NFC East (sorry Dallas fans) - player tendencies, etc. - how to get in Eli Manning's head - WELL worth 2 million guaranteed, like having a spy in the Giants' film room...PLUS if his knee gets right, they are ABSOLUTELY loaded for the late-season playoff runAnother excellent signing for the Eagles. Jason Wood and Jeff Pasquino are REALLY going to love this season, IMO.

perfect opportunity for the Browns to get a WR.. Im pissed right now! Thats fairly cheap and we can wait for the injury to heal.. WTF? Its not like he wasnt on our radar, we were lobbying back during the Braylon deal..

RIIIIIGHT... Browns or Eagles? Browns or Eagles? I think I'll play in Cleveland.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm REALLY puzzled by this move. NY reports are saying the Giants balked at Smith's health and that's why the deal fell through. Philly reports are saying that they "hope" Smith can be on the field by October after our Week 7 bye.

I've seen a few people make comments that we signed Smith on the cheap. But that's not really true. $2mm guaranteed and $4mm in total is a very pricey deal for a guy that -- at best -- is going to play half the season. Let's remember that:

*** Chad Ochocinco is playing for a base salary of $1 million

*** Braylon Edwards is playing for $1.5mm guaranteed

The other issue I'm struggling with is that we HAVE to re-sign DJax. We have to. Now maybe this signing doesn't impact that -- Howie and Joe are clearly mastering the cap like it's their pack mule -- but if this somehow makes it harder to re-do Vick and Jackson's deals, then it was a bad one.

Ultimately a HEALTHY Smith is an awesome addition, and is significantly better than Jason Avant (who I dig but the reality is what it is), but I could absolutely see him not playing for most if not all of this year.

 

[Warbird]

Curious signing. All reports indicate n\a till mid-October. Begs a few questions:

1. What is the mysterious illness Maclin has? In this day where the media is all over everything, how can we not know what is wrong with him? Is Smith insurance if he can't play?

2. D Jax's contract. Do they think they will be unable to resign him and they can take a one year look at Smith to see if an adequate replacement?

3. Just screwing with division rival?

 

[Tanner9919]

Smith claims the Eagles wanted him more. Giants are about $3.9 million under the cap. So they could have matched, unless they have more plans or need the money for Osi. Sad day for Giant fans.

Smith is full of crap.actually, on WFAN NY this morning, Carton was talking about the fact that the G-men offered Smith a guaranteed $15mil contract not too long ago ( 2010), and Smith balked at it..then he got hurt a month later..seems like sour grapes to me.Giants offered a great deal for him last year he didn't take it.hard to take Smith's side in this, he's the one who left $15mil GUARANTEED money on the table.can't say he was treated unfairly by the Giants.they obviously feel that his injuries are going to take a long time to recover from,something they don't want to wait for..isn't Cotchery still available? wouldn't surprise me to see the Giants make a play for him now.

 

[mchaps55]

Smith claims the Eagles wanted him more. Giants are about $3.9 million under the cap. So they could have matched, unless they have more plans or need the money for Osi. Sad day for Giant fans.

Smith is full of crap.actually, on WFAN NY this morning, Carton was talking about the fact that the G-men offered Smith a guaranteed $15mil contract not too long ago ( 2010), and Smith balked at it..then he got hurt a month later..seems like sour grapes to me.Giants offered a great deal for him last year he didn't take it.hard to take Smith's side in this, he's the one who left $15mil GUARANTEED money on the table.can't say he was treated unfairly by the Giants.they obviously feel that his injuries are going to take a long time to recover from,something they don't want to wait for..isn't Cotchery still available? wouldn't surprise me to see the Giants make a play for him now.

Smith turned it down because he would of got more of that on the open market and felt the Giants would match. That wasn't the case because he got injured and I'm sure Smith took a 1 year deal to play half a season and make an impact to draw good money in 2012.

 

[vinwinephans]

Smith claims the Eagles wanted him more. Giants are about $3.9 million under the cap. So they could have matched, unless they have more plans or need the money for Osi. Sad day for Giant fans.

Smith is full of crap.actually, on WFAN NY this morning, Carton was talking about the fact that the G-men offered Smith a guaranteed $15mil contract not too long ago ( 2010), and Smith balked at it..then he got hurt a month later..seems like sour grapes to me.Giants offered a great deal for him last year he didn't take it.hard to take Smith's side in this, he's the one who left $15mil GUARANTEED money on the table.can't say he was treated unfairly by the Giants.they obviously feel that his injuries are going to take a long time to recover from,something they don't want to wait for..isn't Cotchery still available? wouldn't surprise me to see the Giants make a play for him now.

I think he may have thought he was treated unfairly after he got hurt... he had every right to turn down an offer - that's part of negotiating - easy to say $15 mil guaranteed is good coin - how many years was that for? How exactly was it guaranteed? The simple truth is they were negotiating a long term deal and he got hurt. I'm sure both side rejected offers before he got hurt. After he got hurt, the Giants used the injury to low ball him.The Eagles got burnt like this with Brian Dawkins. It happens. It's part of the business.

 

[Jason Wood]

Smith claims the Eagles wanted him more. Giants are about $3.9 million under the cap. So they could have matched, unless they have more plans or need the money for Osi. Sad day for Giant fans.

Smith is full of crap.actually, on WFAN NY this morning, Carton was talking about the fact that the G-men offered Smith a guaranteed $15mil contract not too long ago ( 2010), and Smith balked at it..then he got hurt a month later..seems like sour grapes to me.Giants offered a great deal for him last year he didn't take it.hard to take Smith's side in this, he's the one who left $15mil GUARANTEED money on the table.can't say he was treated unfairly by the Giants.they obviously feel that his injuries are going to take a long time to recover from,something they don't want to wait for..isn't Cotchery still available? wouldn't surprise me to see the Giants make a play for him now.

To be fair, Smith was talking about THIS negotiation. Sure the Giants wanted him, before he had microfracture surgery. But Smith made it pretty clear that it was his intention of re-signing in New York all along. The Giants waited b/c of his injury to do the rest of their business, and yet he still went to see them first, got a physical, met with Coughlin, talked terms. The Giants offer THIS year was substantively less than the Eagles.And that really shouldn't be a surprise. The Eagles got aggressive with him. Paying him $2mm guaranteed is a big commitment considering what many of the other WRs in his tier (who are healthy) took this offseason.

 

[Shutout]

Go get Jerrel Jurnigan

I did in the league you and I are in together .Seriously though, I thought the minute that they drafted jernigan, it suggested there was something was up. I heard yesterday that Coughlin was quoted as saying that the return of Smith was going to be a "long haul". So, For Manningham, awesome news. For Jernigan, promising. For Smith and the Eagles, this worries me. I would have to think that the Giants would know the situation very well and for them not to resign him for what the Eagles did sign him for (relatively cheap), I would have to think that the Giants are skeptical of Smith being able to return and be the same player he was.Of course, teams ahve been wrong before (looking at Dolphins for passing on Brees and going with Culpepper), but you have to think the giants would e the best team to be in the know at this point.

 

[steelcityman]

I have Fitz, Dez and Mario as my top 3 WRs, I can only keep 2, Fitz is a given, and I like Dez's potential. That said, should I even try to trade Mario now that his value will get a bump? Should I even go thru the process of explaining to the unknowing that he is WR2 in a pass happy offense(sometimes)? And, I dont even expect a player back, I was just looking to move up a few rounds in the draft.

I dont see why Mario wont be a 1000 yard 8+ TD WR this year, aka a nice WR2 for FFL.

 

[The Doctor]

Do they even need him?

hey Steve, bring your play book and lets break down some film. I dont care that you wont play until November

i think you just hit the nail on the head

 

[renesauz]

I'm REALLY puzzled by this move. NY reports are saying the Giants balked at Smith's health and that's why the deal fell through. Philly reports are saying that they "hope" Smith can be on the field by October after our Week 7 bye.I've seen a few people make comments that we signed Smith on the cheap. But that's not really true. $2mm guaranteed and $4mm in total is a very pricey deal for a guy that -- at best -- is going to play half the season. Let's remember that:*** Chad Ochocinco is playing for a base salary of $1 million*** Braylon Edwards is playing for $1.5mm guaranteedThe other issue I'm struggling with is that we HAVE to re-sign DJax. We have to. Now maybe this signing doesn't impact that -- Howie and Joe are clearly mastering the cap like it's their pack mule -- but if this somehow makes it harder to re-do Vick and Jackson's deals, then it was a bad one.Ultimately a HEALTHY Smith is an awesome addition, and is significantly better than Jason Avant (who I dig but the reality is what it is), but I could absolutely see him not playing for most if not all of this year.

Don't think it's nearly enough to stop deals to Vick and Jackson. Lets not forget that Vick is on a tag right now. Re-doing Vick's deal would FREE UP money to do the Jackson deal, and they were still 5 or 6 million under before Smith anyway.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Steve Smith ready to practice in 4-6 weeks?

Giants coach Tom Coughlin estimated to New York reporters Thursday that Steve Smith (knee) would be ready to practice in 4-6 weeks.

That's assuming no setbacks, which is a fairly weighty assumption in Smith's case. If the Giants did believe Smith would be ready to practice by mid-September, perhaps they should have come with a stronger offer rather than bemoaning the fact that Smith's camp didn't give them a chance to match Philly's $2 million in guarantees. As long as Coughlin's estimation is correct, Smith has a decent chance to avoid the PUP list.

Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter Aug 11, 1:22 PM

This confirms the Giants were just low balling him. If they new he'd be practising in 6 weeks, then they also new he wasn't going on the PUP either. With the eagles sending Maclin home for more testing, this could be a huge signing.

 

[DoubleG]

The source told CSN Philly's Reuben Frank that Smith's addition "has absolutely nothing" to do with Maclin, who's yet to practice in Eagles camp. Another club source told Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News that the move is "no reflection on Jeremy."

...and the next day Maclin leaves the team and goes home for more testing.Sorry Iggles fans (and Maclin owners) - but my -alarm is going off big time.I realize they are not the same "type" of receiver, but the fact is they traded for a very good WR who is hurt...and now may play sooner than people think.

 

[ChainsawU]

2011 Eagles Preseason Week 1: What will we see tonight?

August 11th, 2011 | Chet Cashley | Posted in Game Previews, News, Opinions, Picks

Expect Avant to play well, and catch more passes than Cooper. Avant will see the ball come his way several times in the first quarter. Expect him to have around three receptions for about 40 yards and a TD. Cooper might get a deep ball or two lobbed his way. Expect him to be more aggressive when it comes to catching the football this season. Brent Celek should get more attention from Vick this season, and you can expect him to have a couple of catches, but nothing big. You can also expect a highlight from new addition Steve Smith, another playmaker on this loaded offense. Avant: 3 catches for 40 yards and 1 touchdown; Cooper: 2 catches for 40 yards; McCoy: 1 catch for 8 yards; Celek: 1 catch for 7 yards; Smith: 3 catches for 45 yards and 1 touchdown; Brown: 3 catches for 35 yards and 1 touchdown

 

[Dragon1952]

Steve Smith disagrees with Coughlin's assessment

On Wednesday afternoon, Giants coach Tom Coughlin said that receiver Steve Smith faces a “long haul” as he continues his recovery from microfracture surgery.

On Wednesday night, Smith was answering reporters’ questions after signing with the Eagles. And Smith took issue with Coughlin’s assessment of the situation.

“I would disagree with that personally just because I feel good,” Smith said, via quotes distributed by the Eagles. “I’ve been running, I’ve been doing different things, cutting and stuff and it’s been feeling good. I haven’t been having any setbacks so hopefully that will continue but we’ll see.”

So what was Coughlin up to?

“I don’t know, maybe Coughlin has a plan or something up his sleeve when he said that,” Smith said. “Who knows, but I got checked out by both team doctors and have positive reports, so we’ll see what happens when I get on the field.”

Smith said that he could be ready to play by Week Two, possibly by Week One. He explained that the Eagles had been talking to his agent “for weeks,” and that he had been waiting for the Giants to make a decision.

The Giants made their decision, and the Eagles and Smith made their decision. With Jeremy Maclin still absent due to an undetermined illness, Smith could end up being a key addition to the team.

 

[netnalp]

Mike Garafolo

There was confusion when Coughlin said today 4-6 weeks for Smith to return. It's been clarified: he meant from NOW, not start of season

 

[TheFanatic]

The source told CSN Philly's Reuben Frank that Smith's addition "has absolutely nothing" to do with Maclin, who's yet to practice in Eagles camp. Another club source told Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News that the move is "no reflection on Jeremy."

...and the next day Maclin leaves the team and goes home for more testing.Sorry Iggles fans (and Maclin owners) - but my -alarm is going off big time.I realize they are not the same "type" of receiver, but the fact is they traded for a very good WR who is hurt...and now may play sooner than people think.

That's what I thought. They got great production out of their WR's last year. Why go sign a guy if there's nothing wrong with what they had coming back at receiver?

 

[NeverEnough]

The source told CSN Philly's Reuben Frank that Smith's addition "has absolutely nothing" to do with Maclin, who's yet to practice in Eagles camp. Another club source told Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News that the move is "no reflection on Jeremy."

...and the next day Maclin leaves the team and goes home for more testing.Sorry Iggles fans (and Maclin owners) - but my -alarm is going off big time.I realize they are not the same "type" of receiver, but the fact is they traded for a very good WR who is hurt...and now may play sooner than people think.

That's what I thought. They got great production out of their WR's last year. Why go sign a guy if there's nothing wrong with what they had coming back at receiver?

I agree w/the thinking that something is very wrong w/Maclin, but if they have the $ why not? Depth is always a great thing to have. Their WRs behind Jackson & Maclin are garbage.

 

[todisco1]

Mike GarafoloThere was confusion when Coughlin said today 4-6 weeks for Smith to return. It's been clarified: he meant from NOW, not start of season

Wow, that's a big difference. He could be back early in the season then, in theory.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Wont play until 2012

i tend to agree fyi...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm REALLY puzzled by this move. NY reports are saying the Giants balked at Smith's health and that's why the deal fell through. Philly reports are saying that they "hope" Smith can be on the field by October after our Week 7 bye.I've seen a few people make comments that we signed Smith on the cheap. But that's not really true. $2mm guaranteed and $4mm in total is a very pricey deal for a guy that -- at best -- is going to play half the season. Let's remember that:*** Chad Ochocinco is playing for a base salary of $1 million*** Braylon Edwards is playing for $1.5mm guaranteedThe other issue I'm struggling with is that we HAVE to re-sign DJax. We have to. Now maybe this signing doesn't impact that -- Howie and Joe are clearly mastering the cap like it's their pack mule -- but if this somehow makes it harder to re-do Vick and Jackson's deals, then it was a bad one.Ultimately a HEALTHY Smith is an awesome addition, and is significantly better than Jason Avant (who I dig but the reality is what it is), but I could absolutely see him not playing for most if not all of this year.

I am on board with this 100% Jason. It makes no sense. The Giants know he is not ready for action anytime soon. New York brought him in to be examined, they wanted to resign him. Obviously New York did not like what they saw at that point in time. And if Philly signed him to get him in their organization for 2012 more than 2011, I would start asking more questions about them signing DeSean Jackson who many speculate is 1 concussion away from losing his career(not sure I buy that) to a long term deal as they obviously did not want to do it. I was a fan of Steve Smith and got to see him in SoCal at USC. He was going to be a PPR machine but I'm not sure he was ever really elite talent.

 

[renesauz]

I agree w/the thinking that something is very wrong w/Maclin, but if they have the $ why not? Depth is always a great thing to have. Their WRs behind Jackson & Maclin are garbage.

This is simply not true. Avant is a decent slot guy and a proven vet, and Cooper showed a lot of flashes last year as a rookie after a stellar collegiate career (not to mention a very impressive catch in the first pre-season game tonight). With a healthy Maclin, Philly might have had one of the best overall #1-4 group in the NFL. With Smith, they'd have the best 1 - 5 hands down.

 

[Kenny Powers]

BUMP

I took Smith in a couple leagues late, and we have deep benches, but as I re-evaluate things, Im not sure how much SS will do this year.

1) The most recent reports, from him, are that he'll be ready Week 1 and 100% by week 4-6.

2) Maclin appears pretty close if not closer than Smith to returning at this point (which is updated from posts in the thread)

3) How much can Philly's WR3 produce???

Right now, Im starting to feel like I bought into the name more than the situation even though it was only a 18th round pick. AFAIC, Avant is a decent WR. Now Smith is better than him, but how much can the #3WR in Philly produce considering how many touches their RBs will get? I felt like Smith fell to me at first, but with guys like Kendricks, Scott, DWard on the FA, I dont think he's worth the roster space at this point

 

[need2know]

BUMPI took Smith in a couple leagues late, and we have deep benches, but as I re-evaluate things, Im not sure how much SS will do this year.1) The most recent reports, from him, are that he'll be ready Week 1 and 100% by week 4-6.2) Maclin appears pretty close if not closer than Smith to returning at this point (which is updated from posts in the thread)3) How much can Philly's WR3 produce???Right now, Im starting to feel like I bought into the name more than the situation even though it was only a 18th round pick. AFAIC, Avant is a decent WR. Now Smith is better than him, but how much can the #3WR in Philly produce considering how many touches their RBs will get? I felt like Smith fell to me at first, but with guys like Kendricks, Scott, DWard on the FA, I dont think he's worth the roster space at this point

Smith is a waste of a roster spot imo. Unless two philly WRs get injured and smith actually plays and plays well, I wouldnt think about it. Maclin/Jackson look good to go and avant is great as the WR3. Also, Celek is supposed to get more involved. Smith was picked up as insurance, nothing more. cut him, you can find better on your WW