Steve Smith: Why is he the consensus #1 receiver? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Playing for the Giants and Panthers he's got more opportunity than the rest of the top WRs

 

[BassNBrew]

Hmmm...an 1/8th of a game last night and hangs 6.5 fantasy points.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The last 30 times that Steve Smith and Jake Delhomme were on the field together, Smith totaled 3,193 yards and 24 scores. That 15.44 FP/G average is incredible, and no other WR in the league will be able to match that in 2007. While we don’t know that Smith can, not enough has changed in Carolina for me to think that a 28-year old Steve Smith won’t once again be gaining over 100 yards per game.Harrison averaged 13.11 FP/G in 30 games the past two seasons, ignoring the last two games in 2004 when he barely played. Owens averaged 12.85 FP/G in the 10 games that Tony Romo started last year. Chad Johnson has averaged 11.93 FP/G over the past two seasons. Over that same span, Torry Holt has averaged 12.33 FP/G in the 24 games in which he and Bulger both played. Harrison, T.O., Holt and Johnson are great receivers, but none of them are currently capable of scoring 240 FPs in a season. Steve Smith is.

Thoughts on this? I'm really in the camp of "it's Steve Smith and it's not that close." He's really on another level as a fantasy player.

 

[Thomas The Skank Engine]

The last 30 times that Steve Smith and Jake Delhomme were on the field together, Smith totaled 3,193 yards and 24 scores. That 15.44 FP/G average is incredible, and no other WR in the league will be able to match that in 2007. While we don’t know that Smith can, not enough has changed in Carolina for me to think that a 28-year old Steve Smith won’t once again be gaining over 100 yards per game.Harrison averaged 13.11 FP/G in 30 games the past two seasons, ignoring the last two games in 2004 when he barely played. Owens averaged 12.85 FP/G in the 10 games that Tony Romo started last year. Chad Johnson has averaged 11.93 FP/G over the past two seasons. Over that same span, Torry Holt has averaged 12.33 FP/G in the 24 games in which he and Bulger both played. Harrison, T.O., Holt and Johnson are great receivers, but none of them are currently capable of scoring 240 FPs in a season. Steve Smith is.

Thoughts on this? I'm really in the camp of "it's Steve Smith and it's not that close." He's really on another level as a fantasy player.

shhhhhhhhhh........

 

[Ned]

The last 30 times that Steve Smith and Jake Delhomme were on the field together, Smith totaled 3,193 yards and 24 scores. That 15.44 FP/G average is incredible, and no other WR in the league will be able to match that in 2007. While we don't know that Smith can, not enough has changed in Carolina for me to think that a 28-year old Steve Smith won't once again be gaining over 100 yards per game.Harrison averaged 13.11 FP/G in 30 games the past two seasons, ignoring the last two games in 2004 when he barely played. Owens averaged 12.85 FP/G in the 10 games that Tony Romo started last year. Chad Johnson has averaged 11.93 FP/G over the past two seasons. Over that same span, Torry Holt has averaged 12.33 FP/G in the 24 games in which he and Bulger both played. Harrison, T.O., Holt and Johnson are great receivers, but none of them are currently capable of scoring 240 FPs in a season. Steve Smith is.

Thoughts on this? I'm really in the camp of "it's Steve Smith and it's not that close." He's really on another level as a fantasy player.

 

[dwaynecherokee]

Hmmm...an 1/8th of a game last night and hangs 6.5 fantasy points.

I was thinking the same thing lolImagine if he had Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer throwing to him like Harrison and CJ do. Not that it's even close in my mind now, but that question puts it in perspective for me.

 

[mdog1967]

Posted this on the blog today, but I wanted to open up the discussion to the Shark Pool:

http://blog.footballguys.com/2007/08/09/st...nsus-1-ranking/

Steve Smith is comfortably atop the consensus fantasy WR rankings. He’s #1 in our expert rankings. He’s #1 in the consensus ADP data we compile. And he’s been the 1st WR off the board in every draft I’ve participated in save for one (when he went 2nd, and I took Chad Johnson 1st).

While I’m not going to suggest that Steve Smith isn’t a bonafide stud receiver, I am left scratching my head over the universal acceptance of Smith as the top fantasy pass-catcher.

* In 2005, Smith completed the triple crown of receiving

o 1st in receptions (103)

o 1st in yards (1,563)

o 1st in TDs (12)

* Not surprisingly, he ranked as the top fantasy WR

But here’s the thing, that year seems like very much the anomaly. Smith is entering his seventh year in the league, and his numbers have never come close to approximating that magical 2005 campaign:

* 2001: 10 receptions for 154 yards and 0 TDs [WR114]

* 2002: 54 receptions for 872 yards and 3 TDs [WR42]

* 2003: 88 receptions for 1,110 yards and 7 TDs [WR15]

* 2004: 6 receptions for 60 yards and 0 TDs [WR141]

* 2005: 103 receptions for 1,563 yards and 12 TDs [WR1]

* 2006: 83 receptions for 1,166 yards and 8 TDs [WR8]

As you can see from his fantasy ranking [in parentheses], Smith has been a good, albeit not great receiver. In his three healthy seasons since becoming the full-time starter, he’s ranked 1st, 8th and 15th. Solid numbers that argue for him being considered a tried and true fantasy WR1, but why is he such a lock to finish 1st in people’s minds?

Compare Smith’s fantasy points per game since becoming a full-time starter, against other receivers in the league:

Rank First Last YRs Games Recs Yards TDs FPTs PtsPG

1 Terrell Owens 2003–2006 52 289 4245 42 676.0 13.00

2 Torry Holt 2003–2006 62 406 5587 41 805.4 12.99

3 Marvin Harrison 2003–2006 62 357 4897 49 784.0 12.65

4 Steve Smith 2003–2006 47 280 3899 27 576.7 12.27

5 Chad Johnson 2003–2006 64 369 5430 35 762.6 11.92

6 Randy Moss 2003–2006 58 262 3957 41 644.4 11.11

7 Marques Colston 2006–2006 14 70 1038 8 151.8 10.84

8 Darrell Jackson 2003–2006 51 256 3774 29 552.1 10.83

9 Anquan Boldin 2003–2006 56 342 4605 20 591.1 10.56

10 Javon Walker 2003–2006 49 203 3209 29 513.3 10.48

11 Larry Fitzgerald 2004–2006 45 230 3135 24 463.0 10.29

12 Santana Moss 2003–2006 61 258 4216 30 618.0 10.13

13 Hines Ward 2003–2006 61 318 4117 31 616.3 10.10

14 T.J. Houshmandzadeh 2004–2006 44 241 3015 20 439.4 9.99

15 Reggie Wayne 2003–2006 64 314 4413 33 638.9 9.98

16 Joe Horn 2003–2006 54 258 3705 26 528.7 9.79

17 Roy Williams 2004–2006 43 181 2814 23 419.7 9.76

18 Chris Chambers 2003–2006 63 274 3656 33 592.9 9.41

19 Donald Driver 2003–2006 63 314 4345 24 586.9 9.32

20 Lee Evans 2004–2006 48 178 2878 24 444.1 9.25

21 Plaxico Burress 2003–2006 58 234 3760 26 531.3 9.16

22 Jimmy Smith 2003–2005 44 198 3000 16 396.0 9.00

23 Muhsin Muhammad 2003–2006 62 271 3855 28 554.8 8.95

24 Eddie Kennison 2003–2006 62 239 3901 23 536.4 8.65

25 Joey Galloway 2003–2006 57 212 3432 24 492.6 8.64

Again, Smith is a stud…he’s put up the 4th most fantasy points per game since becoming a full-time NFL starter. But last time I checked, Terrell Owens, Torry Holt and Marvin Harrison were still playing at a high level and are in dynamic offensive systems. Chad Johnson is right behind him, too.

Would I say ranking Smith #1 is illogical? NO.

Would I say others deserve as much, if not more consideration for the top spot? ABSOLUTELY.

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

 

[mdog1967]

I can't say I understand the massive amounts of love for Smith. He's a very solid receiver, but he's no Owens, Moss, or Harrison.Personally, I like Chad Johnson as the WR1 this year.

you are so right he isnt a cancer like Owenshe plays hard ALL the time, Unlike Moss and he actually turns it up a notch in the playoffs, unlike harrison

All I care about is the numbers. And when you look at the numbers, Smith doesn't really stack up with those guys in their prime.

Thanks EBF, you are one of the only reasons I even come to this site. Every one looks at those end of year numbers and they forget all about the games when Smith gets you damn near goose eggs. I would rather take the more consistant week to week WR than Smith. Great when he shows up, but man owning him a few times he has killed me in a few games.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I can't say I understand the massive amounts of love for Smith. He's a very solid receiver, but he's no Owens, Moss, or Harrison.Personally, I like Chad Johnson as the WR1 this year.

you are so right he isnt a cancer like Owenshe plays hard ALL the time, Unlike Moss and he actually turns it up a notch in the playoffs, unlike harrison

All I care about is the numbers. And when you look at the numbers, Smith doesn't really stack up with those guys in their prime.

Thanks EBF, you are one of the only reasons I even come to this site. Every one looks at those end of year numbers and they forget all about the games when Smith gets you damn near goose eggs. I would rather take the more consistant week to week WR than Smith. Great when he shows up, but man owning him a few times he has killed me in a few games.

Without agreeing that Steve Smith is inconsistent, do you really believe you'll be able to predict that he'll be inconsistent in 2007? Every single study I've ever seen has shown that there is no correlation between a player's consistency (in terms of fantasy scoring each week) in one year with his consistency the next. Simply put, a player's past record of consistency is a useless predictor of his future consistency.

 

[nysfl2]

Would I say others deserve as much, if not more consideration for the top spot? ABSOLUTELY.

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

Criticizing Steve Smith for being inconsistent and then saying that Chad Johnson, who put up about 90% of his stats during a four game stretch, is your #1 guy seems a bit inconsistent.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I can't say I understand the massive amounts of love for Smith. He's a very solid receiver, but he's no Owens, Moss, or Harrison.Personally, I like Chad Johnson as the WR1 this year.

you are so right he isnt a cancer like Owenshe plays hard ALL the time, Unlike Moss and he actually turns it up a notch in the playoffs, unlike harrison

All I care about is the numbers. And when you look at the numbers, Smith doesn't really stack up with those guys in their prime.

Thanks EBF, you are one of the only reasons I even come to this site. Every one looks at those end of year numbers and they forget all about the games when Smith gets you damn near goose eggs. I would rather take the more consistant week to week WR than Smith. Great when he shows up, but man owning him a few times he has killed me in a few games.

Without agreeing that Steve Smith is inconsistent, do you really believe you'll be able to predict that he'll be inconsistent in 2007? Every single study I've ever seen has shown that there is no correlation between a player's consistency (in terms of fantasy scoring each week) in one year with his consistency the next. Simply put, a player's past record of consistency is a useless predictor of his future consistency.

We need a list of things we do every year. The "consistency" argument is one of them.

 

[JHuber77]

I completely agree. I like S.Smith but there is no way I would take him as the #1 WR. Its not that I do not like Steve Smith, I hate Delhomme. I have 0 faith in this guy to be a consistent QB. I would much rather take my chances on a guys like Harrison, Wayne, CJ, Holt, or Owens.

What about David Carr? Im putting my money on him to be the starter in Carolina by midseason, and that kid can definately get Steve Smith the ball. Just look at what he did for Andre Johnson in Houston last year.

 

[Q-Bert]

To get back to the topic at hand.

Steve Smith's per target production is phenomenal. And he is line to get ~10 targets per game. That is why he is ranked #1. When you look at per target production the only players on his level are Harrison, Wayne, Walker, and Evans. I could see a case being made for either Harrison or Wayne but I think they will likely limit each others abilities to hit the target numbers that Smith will see. And, while I absolutely love Walker and Evans I don't think they will be anywhere near the target numbers that Smith will put up.

Copied from the Javon Walker Spotlight:

Here's a list of points-per-target from last season for every WR with 100+ targets. Generally, this list will highlight which WRs were efficient at converting opportunities into points.

1.41 - Marvin Harrison

1.40 - Javon Walker

1.39 - Darrell Jackson

1.35 - Reggie Wayne

1.32 - Marques Colston

1.31 - Plaxico Burress

1.30 - Terrell Owens

1.29 - Lee Evans

1.29 - Terry Glenn

1.26 - Steve Smith

1.22 - T.J. Houshmandzadeh

1.22 - Santana Moss

1.21 - Larry Fitzgerald

1.18 - Chad Johnson

1.16 - Eddie Kennison

1.13 - Roy Williams

1.13 - Bernard Berrian

1.08 - Hines Ward

1.08 - Jerricho Cotchery

1.06 - Mark Clayton

1.05 - Joey Galloway

1.04 - Donald Driver

1.02 - Braylon Edwards

1.01 - Isaac Bruce

1.00 - Torry Holt

1.00 - Reche Caldwell

0.99 - Deion Branch

0.99 - Muhsin Muhammad

0.99 - Mike Furrey

0.98 - Laveranues Coles

0.97 - Anquan Boldin

0.89 - Andre Johnson

0.86 - Keyshawn Johnson

0.77 - Derrick Mason

0.77 - Greg Jennings

0.74 - Wes Welker

0.66 - Chris Chambers ( )

On a per-target basis, Smiff wasn't just behind Harrison, Wayne, Walker, and Evans... he was also behind Darrell Jackson, Marques Colston, Plaxico Burress, Terrell Owens, and Terry Glenn, coming in at 10th overall out of 37, or just outside the top 25%. It's not his per-target numbers that impress me (although he does have very good per-target numbers), it's more his total target numbers.

I tried to look beyond just last year, while still picking a time frame that is relevant. For Smith, I looked at his per target production for the last two years and also Muhammad's production in 2004. It could be argued that Muhammad's production shouldn't be included in computing Steve Smith's per target average but I feel it is justified based on how the Carolina situation has played out since 2003.So, with my league's scoring system I have the top per target producers (for the last three years) as follows.

1.15 Javon Walker

1.14 Marvin Harrison

1.12 Lee Evans

1.10 Steve Smith

1.04 Santana Moss

1.03 Terrell Owens

1.02 Reggie Wayne

1.02 Marques Colston

 

[Sylira21]

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

Err...Steve Smith scoring 2006, week by week (standard, non-PPR)week 3 - 11.2week 4 - 14.7week 5 - 6.9week 6 - 24.9week 7 - 12.6week 8 - 7.9week 9 - byeweek 10 - 20.9week 11 - 15.0week 12 - 9.8week 13 - 12.9week 14 - 6.7week 15 - 5.6week 16 - 0.0week 17 - 22.6Are you perhaps bitter about week 16, the infamous Weinke game? That's the only time in the past few years I can see that Smith laid an egg, and that wasn't his fault.All receivers, even great ones like Harrison/Owens/Moss always have a certain number 3/43 games. It's just part of the animal. Smith is no worse than any of the other top receivers in that category.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Smith is too small to ever be considered the best WR in the NFL...much less #1 in FF. No way.

 

[mdog1967]

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

Err...Steve Smith scoring 2006, week by week (standard, non-PPR)week 3 - 11.2week 4 - 14.7week 5 - 6.9week 6 - 24.9week 7 - 12.6week 8 - 7.9week 9 - byeweek 10 - 20.9week 11 - 15.0week 12 - 9.8week 13 - 12.9week 14 - 6.7week 15 - 5.6week 16 - 0.0week 17 - 22.6Are you perhaps bitter about week 16, the infamous Weinke game? That's the only time in the past few years I can see that Smith laid an egg, and that wasn't his fault.All receivers, even great ones like Harrison/Owens/Moss always have a certain number 3/43 games. It's just part of the animal. Smith is no worse than any of the other top receivers in that category.

Thanks Good reply, so the consistancy thing with Smith looks better than I had thought.

 

[mdog1967]

I can't say I understand the massive amounts of love for Smith. He's a very solid receiver, but he's no Owens, Moss, or Harrison.Personally, I like Chad Johnson as the WR1 this year.

you are so right he isnt a cancer like Owenshe plays hard ALL the time, Unlike Moss and he actually turns it up a notch in the playoffs, unlike harrison

All I care about is the numbers. And when you look at the numbers, Smith doesn't really stack up with those guys in their prime.

Thanks EBF, you are one of the only reasons I even come to this site. Every one looks at those end of year numbers and they forget all about the games when Smith gets you damn near goose eggs. I would rather take the more consistant week to week WR than Smith. Great when he shows up, but man owning him a few times he has killed me in a few games.

Without agreeing that Steve Smith is inconsistent, do you really believe you'll be able to predict that he'll be inconsistent in 2007? Every single study I've ever seen has shown that there is no correlation between a player's consistency (in terms of fantasy scoring each week) in one year with his consistency the next. Simply put, a player's past record of consistency is a useless predictor of his future consistency.

We need a list of things we do every year. The "consistency" argument is one of them.

I will post later on this topic. There is a coorelation and I will post what at least in my mind is evidence to support that. Consistancy Rankings is a benchmark fundamental rule for fantasy football. It is tool that will win you games week in and week out. More to come....

 

[SteelCat]

Being a season ticket holder, thank god for Smitty. Love the way he plays the game.

Plus, I don't think the #2 is going to be consistent. Just means more balls thrown his way.

 

[dgreen]

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

Err...Steve Smith scoring 2006, week by week (standard, non-PPR)

week 3 - 11.2

week 4 - 14.7

week 5 - 6.9

week 6 - 24.9

week 7 - 12.6

week 8 - 7.9

week 9 - bye

week 10 - 20.9

week 11 - 15.0

week 12 - 9.8

week 13 - 12.9

week 14 - 6.7

week 15 - 5.6

week 16 - 0.0

week 17 - 22.6

Are you perhaps bitter about week 16, the infamous Weinke game? That's the only time in the past few years I can see that Smith laid an egg, and that wasn't his fault.

All receivers, even great ones like Harrison/Owens/Moss always have a certain number 3/43 games. It's just part of the animal. Smith is no worse than any of the other top receivers in that category.

The important question isn't: Is he inconsistent?

The important question is: How low are his lows?

Smith's lows are not bad. See my previous post showing how good his bad days are.

 

[BigRed]

bump

I can easily make a case for Harrison, Holt or Owens as WR1 (not IMO Chad Johnson). Regardless, still not getting the consensus for Smith.

 

[PahtyTom]

bumpI can easily make a case for Harrison, Holt or Owens as WR1 (not IMO Chad Johnson). Regardless, still not getting the consensus for Smith.

His fantasy points per game production when Delhomme is at QB is off the charts.

 

[SSOG]

bumpI can easily make a case for Harrison, Holt or Owens as WR1 (not IMO Chad Johnson). Regardless, still not getting the consensus for Smith.

Part of it is sample size issues. Let's say that 40% of the people think Smiff is the #1 guy, and 20% each think it's Harrison, CJ, or Owens. In that case, there's a very solid chance that if you polled 20 people, 16 would have Smiff as the #1, giving the false appearance of consensus when it's really just random chance at work.Besides, what's the big deal about someone being the CONSENSUS #1? Are you saying that you'd have no problem with Smiff being the #1, as long as he wasn't the CONSENSUS #1? That's ridiculous. Basically, that's the same as saying that it's perfectly acceptable for someone to think that Smiff is the #1 WR, but it's stupid for someone else to think it, too.

 

[zoonation]

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

Err...Steve Smith scoring 2006, week by week (standard, non-PPR)week 3 - 11.2week 4 - 14.7week 5 - 6.9week 6 - 24.9week 7 - 12.6week 8 - 7.9week 9 - byeweek 10 - 20.9week 11 - 15.0week 12 - 9.8week 13 - 12.9week 14 - 6.7week 15 - 5.6week 16 - 0.0week 17 - 22.6Are you perhaps bitter about week 16, the infamous Weinke game? That's the only time in the past few years I can see that Smith laid an egg, and that wasn't his fault.All receivers, even great ones like Harrison/Owens/Moss always have a certain number 3/43 games. It's just part of the animal. Smith is no worse than any of the other top receivers in that category.

Thanks Good reply, so the consistancy thing with Smith looks better than I had thought.

I count 8 disappointing weeks for his ADP last year.

 

[David Yudkin]

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

Err...Steve Smith scoring 2006, week by week (standard, non-PPR)week 3 - 11.2week 4 - 14.7week 5 - 6.9week 6 - 24.9week 7 - 12.6week 8 - 7.9week 9 - byeweek 10 - 20.9week 11 - 15.0week 12 - 9.8week 13 - 12.9week 14 - 6.7week 15 - 5.6week 16 - 0.0week 17 - 22.6Are you perhaps bitter about week 16, the infamous Weinke game? That's the only time in the past few years I can see that Smith laid an egg, and that wasn't his fault.All receivers, even great ones like Harrison/Owens/Moss always have a certain number 3/43 games. It's just part of the animal. Smith is no worse than any of the other top receivers in that category.

Thanks Good reply, so the consistancy thing with Smith looks better than I had thought.

I count 8 disappointing weeks for his ADP last year.

Smith had 9 weeks of 10+ points. So did Harrison. Owens had 10. Wayne had 8. Chad Johnson and Holt each had 6.

 

[BigRed]

bumpI can easily make a case for Harrison, Holt or Owens as WR1 (not IMO Chad Johnson). Regardless, still not getting the consensus for Smith.

Part of it is sample size issues. Let's say that 40% of the people think Smiff is the #1 guy, and 20% each think it's Harrison, CJ, or Owens. In that case, there's a very solid chance that if you polled 20 people, 16 would have Smiff as the #1, giving the false appearance of consensus when it's really just random chance at work.Besides, what's the big deal about someone being the CONSENSUS #1? Are you saying that you'd have no problem with Smiff being the #1, as long as he wasn't the CONSENSUS #1? That's ridiculous. Basically, that's the same as saying that it's perfectly acceptable for someone to think that Smiff is the #1 WR, but it's stupid for someone else to think it, too.

On the contrary, it's perfectly logical, and for reasons laid out well in the OP. It's not a "big deal," just doesn't make any sense. It's not like LT as the #1 RB etc.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

153 Yds and 3 TDs - that's why

 

[Native]

jeeeez!

 

[Buckna]

His 3rd TD today was unbelievable. Caught a short pass in the middle of the field, got wrapped up by Demeco Ryans, shrugs him off, gets sandwhiched by 3 guys, they try to wrestle him down, he twists free and blasts down the field for 60~70 yards for the TD.

Just nothing but heart, grit and determination on that play.

 

[BigRed]

Figures

 

[EBF]

That Chad Johnson guy isn't too bad either.

 

[TheGooRoo]

That Chad Johnson guy isn't too bad either.

If Carson Palmer was throwing to Steve Smith instead of Delhomme

 

[hellz_fireflies]

See week 2 results...

 

[Buckna]

That Chad Johnson guy isn't too bad either.

I'd be happy to have either one.For those that don't know, CJ & SS were teammates in college!

 

[PantherPower]

I know there are guys here that drafted CJ and Smith late in the first, early 2nd, and are loving life today.

 

[PahtyTom]

That Chad Johnson guy isn't too bad either.

For those that don't know, CJ & SS were teammates in college!

Pretty sure this is wrong.

 

[meanjoegreen]

His 3rd TD today was unbelievable. Caught a short pass in the middle of the field, got wrapped up by Demeco Ryans, shrugs him off, gets sandwhiched by 3 guys, they try to wrestle him down, he twists free and blasts down the field for 60~70 yards for the TD.Just nothing but heart, grit and determination on that play.

He is so much fun to watch. The game was out of hand at this point too, and he just doesn't give up. He is an awesome player.

 

[dapunisher]

Santa Monica Junior College.

 

[meanjoegreen]

That Chad Johnson guy isn't too bad either.

For those that don't know, CJ & SS were teammates in college!

Pretty sure this is wrong.

I'm pretty sure it isn't. They both played football together at Santa Monica Junior College, and were teammates there. Smith transferred to Utah a couple years later, and Chad Johnson transferred to Oregon State.

 

[dapunisher]

I have Smith and passed on Ocho Cinco to take Holt as my WR2. Thought I wanted stability instead of feast or famine at the second slot. Well, the feast would have been delicious today.

 

[PahtyTom]

That Chad Johnson guy isn't too bad either.

For those that don't know, CJ & SS were teammates in college!

Pretty sure this is wrong.

I'm pretty sure it isn't. They both played football together at Santa Monica Junior College, and were teammates there. Smith transferred to Utah a couple years later, and Chad Johnson transferred to Oregon State.

Oh, good stuff.

 

[Jayrod]

After getting to see the highlight of Smith's ridiculous TD highlight today, the first thing I thought of is this thread.

What a game....he IS the Carolina offense and everyone knows it, but it doesn't matter.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

That Chad Johnson guy isn't too bad either.

I'd be happy to have either one.For those that don't know, CJ & SS were teammates in college!

CJ and TJ Housh were college teammates. Drafted the same year too.

 

[Burning Sensation]

After getting to see the highlight of Smith's ridiculous TD highlight today, the first thing I thought of is this thread.What a game....he IS the Carolina offense and everyone knows it, but it doesn't matter.

I just saw that play for the first time today. I know that was bad tackling, but i would like to see Randy Moss do that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The other WR stealing catches is just part of the equation, though. There's also no stud RB on his team who could take over, making it unnecessary for him to excel for potentially games at a time. If the Panthers are winning - or even competitive - it's because of Smith. You can't necessarily say that about the other WRs. His unique situation is that he, as a WR, is far and away the best offensive option on his team. When healthy, he's THE guy. None of the other players who you have listed as potential #1s fit that bill, with the possible exception now being the head case.

Also, I think people remember the strings of games he's capable of putting together, where he, personally, could be responsible for winning a lot of games for your team. Even those other stud WR are tough to expect that from. Again, when Smith is healthy (And the fact that I've had to say that twice is reason enough to question whether he should be the concensus #1), he's one of the few who can carry your team.

In '06, over the first 10 games in which he played, he had 58 catches for 959 yards and 6 TDs. Only twice in those ten games did he fail to either score a TD or reach 100 receiving yards. He had a similar string of 9-10 games in '05. When people see something like that and think about how inconsistent their WR production is, there's a wow factor that they remember.

This guy knows things. Things about stuff.

 

[tombonneau]

I'm pretty stoked with this start to the season. And yet still Carolina was not working him enough into the offense. They are dinking and dunking the hell out of things there, so I'm shocked SS isn't getting even more catches.

They finally starting throwing to him again towards the end of the game, and wow, what happened, only maybe one of the grittiest most amazing TD catch & runs I've ever seen by a WR.

 

[zoonation]

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

Err...Steve Smith scoring 2006, week by week (standard, non-PPR)week 3 - 11.2week 4 - 14.7week 5 - 6.9week 6 - 24.9week 7 - 12.6week 8 - 7.9week 9 - byeweek 10 - 20.9week 11 - 15.0week 12 - 9.8week 13 - 12.9week 14 - 6.7week 15 - 5.6week 16 - 0.0week 17 - 22.6Are you perhaps bitter about week 16, the infamous Weinke game? That's the only time in the past few years I can see that Smith laid an egg, and that wasn't his fault.All receivers, even great ones like Harrison/Owens/Moss always have a certain number 3/43 games. It's just part of the animal. Smith is no worse than any of the other top receivers in that category.

Thanks Good reply, so the consistancy thing with Smith looks better than I had thought.

I count 8 disappointing weeks for his ADP last year.

Smith had 9 weeks of 10+ points. So did Harrison. Owens had 10. Wayne had 8. Chad Johnson and Holt each had 6.

I just stopped by to get in line early for the crow-eating buffet. You were right, on all counts. No way Smith doesn't end up WR#1.The real debate should be where this guy should get drafted in PPR leagues (or regular for that matter) I think an argument can be made for taking him in 5-6 spot like Moss circa 2001.

 

[David Yudkin]

Is he the most consistant WR week to week? I think you guys are gambling way too much on the Steve Smith Pick. I can understand your argument to some degree, but I just personally dont feel he should be the first wide out taken. I would clearly favor Chad johnson over smith. I would even consider Driver over Smith. Despite the regression of the Packers over the last 5 years, driver produces week in week out.

Err...Steve Smith scoring 2006, week by week (standard, non-PPR)week 3 - 11.2week 4 - 14.7week 5 - 6.9week 6 - 24.9week 7 - 12.6week 8 - 7.9week 9 - byeweek 10 - 20.9week 11 - 15.0week 12 - 9.8week 13 - 12.9week 14 - 6.7week 15 - 5.6week 16 - 0.0week 17 - 22.6Are you perhaps bitter about week 16, the infamous Weinke game? That's the only time in the past few years I can see that Smith laid an egg, and that wasn't his fault.All receivers, even great ones like Harrison/Owens/Moss always have a certain number 3/43 games. It's just part of the animal. Smith is no worse than any of the other top receivers in that category.

Thanks Good reply, so the consistancy thing with Smith looks better than I had thought.

I count 8 disappointing weeks for his ADP last year.

Smith had 9 weeks of 10+ points. So did Harrison. Owens had 10. Wayne had 8. Chad Johnson and Holt each had 6.

I just stopped by to get in line early for the crow-eating buffet. You were right, on all counts. No way Smith doesn't end up WR#1.The real debate should be where this guy should get drafted in PPR leagues (or regular for that matter) I think an argument can be made for taking him in 5-6 spot like Moss circa 2001.

I don't think anyone needs to eat any crow here. There are a lot of WRs in the running for Top 5 and in the discussion for #1. Smith does seem to have a slightlty higher PPG average, but that doesn't mean he is light years better than the other guys. Chad Johnson had a monster game yesterday, but that seems to happen once or twice a year for him. I'd be happy to have any of the top 6 or 8 guys this year.