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Stuart Scott on religion.... (1 Viewer)

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Kudos to S. Scott for speaking his beliefs and not avoiding this topic.

DAVE (Bethesda, Md.)

What's with the Bible citations on Tim Tebow's eyeblack, Stu? If I were a player and had "There is" written on one side of my face and "no God" on the other, would that be okay?

Dave, if that's what you want to do, I don't care. But Tim and I and billiions of other believers in the world know you'd be wrong. I've seen the workings of God many times in my life, like when my two daughters were born. If you don't believe in God, watch a child being born. Then if you still say you don't believe in God, that's okay. The thing is, I think he'll watch over you anyway!

 
Wow, a member of the Christian ubermegamajority prosthelytizing.... that takes some guts!

Seems like a reach to assume Dave doesn't have kids. Lots of people have kids. It's nature.

 
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FYI seeing a baby born isn't inspiring. It's just blood, spit, and feces. It's like the UFC. Anyone who talks about it as a miracle hasn't seen it live.

 
Voltaire said:
FYI seeing a baby born isn't inspiring. It's just blood, spit, and feces. It's like the UFC. Anyone who talks about it as a miracle hasn't seen it live.
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Nah. This ain't true. Are you a parent? I have two daughters, and while I don't believe in miracles, it's a lot more than you describe.
 
The birth of a child isn't a miracle. We've cheapened that word. It's amazing, but it happens thousands of times every day.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
MaddHatter said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Black&Gold said:
If you don't believe in God, watch a child being born.
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what if there are complications during childbirth and the mom dies as a result?what if the baby is deformed or born with some other disability?
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What if I came across you on Megan's Law? There are a lot of what if's in life...
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I'm confused. Would that prove that there is a god or that there isn't?
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It is just an example of enabling an assumption from what you implied.You are chiefly implying that Christians look upon the "positive" things and praise God. When something negative happens, it is the "science" and not the God? Am I correct in this assumption?If a baby is deformed or born with some other disability, a good, humane individual would still love it and take care of it and watch it blossom when it wasn't "supposed to" to begin with. Like a rose growing through pavement or a tree sprouting up in the middle of the Sahara. You know there is a God then, so yes, even if it is "deformed" as you say. As for death, that is an everyday thing. Sometimes that stuff happens. We never know what is going to happen ten years, 30 years, or 1 day from now. Your neighbor could be a pedophile in ten years, the same guy you cooked out with every summer since 98. If someone does not believe in God, why do they have to negate someone else's belief? This question will never be answered I must concede, but if you grew up out of the conditions I was born into, raised through, and so on, and where I am right now, you would know there is a God.The funny thing is, during the tumultuous part of my upbringing, I didn't think there was a God. After living in ####, muck, and piss most of my life and emerging into something greater, something I wasn't supposed to, I do see there is a God now.
 
MaddHatter said:
It is just an example of enabling an assumption from what you implied.You are chiefly implying that Christians look upon the "positive" things and praise God. When something negative happens, it is the "science" and not the God? Am I correct in this assumption?
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I was just responding to Stu's suggestion that watching the birth of a child is all the proof anyone needs. Nothing more, nothing less.I have no idea what you're talking about honestly.
 
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No one, Stu included, seems willing to address the question at hand, and of course we all know it would be completely unacceptable.

As a pretty nonconfrontational atheist, I wouldn't give much credit to a guy who wrote "There Is No God" on his face, as he'd mostly just be trying to shock people. It would take some brass balls though.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
MaddHatter said:
It is just an example of enabling an assumption from what you implied.You are chiefly implying that Christians look upon the "positive" things and praise God. When something negative happens, it is the "science" and not the God? Am I correct in this assumption?
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I was just responding to Stu's suggestion that watching the birth of a child is all the proof anyone needs. Nothing more, nothing less.I have no idea what you're talking about honestly.
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It is basic english.You presented a balderdash reply, while it was some what on-topic but negative in purpose without conceding to Stu's stance on God. You do not have to give in to the topic at hand in concession, you know that right? I replied with some nonsense to match your nonsense, even if it wasn't on-topic.That's all. Your statement made no sense and I was hoping you would back up your rhetoric but I guess you won't. Oh well.
 
Up until now now I thought I had an explanation of child birth from a biological and medical science perspective which was really complicated. The all powerful invisible man thing is much easier to get your head around. Thanks, Stewart.

 
MaddHatter said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
MaddHatter said:
It is just an example of enabling an assumption from what you implied.You are chiefly implying that Christians look upon the "positive" things and praise God. When something negative happens, it is the "science" and not the God? Am I correct in this assumption?
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I was just responding to Stu's suggestion that watching the birth of a child is all the proof anyone needs. Nothing more, nothing less.I have no idea what you're talking about honestly.
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It is basic english.You presented a balderdash reply, while it was some what on-topic but negative in purpose without conceding to Stu's stance on God. You do not have to give in to the topic at hand in concession, you know that right? I replied with some nonsense to match your nonsense, even if it wasn't on-topic.That's all. Your statement made no sense and I was hoping you would back up your rhetoric but I guess you won't. Oh well.
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It's pretty simple.Say I want to find proof that God exists and I do what Stu suggests and show up to watch a birth. Then, something awful happens and the mom dies. When I walk out of that room, I don't think it's very likely that I'd think "Wow, God really does exist after all".makes perfect sense to me. Not really sure where I lost you.ETA: I wasn't trying to pick a fight here so not sure why my post upset you so much.
 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
MaddHatter said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
MaddHatter said:
It is just an example of enabling an assumption from what you implied.You are chiefly implying that Christians look upon the "positive" things and praise God. When something negative happens, it is the "science" and not the God? Am I correct in this assumption?
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I was just responding to Stu's suggestion that watching the birth of a child is all the proof anyone needs. Nothing more, nothing less.I have no idea what you're talking about honestly.
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It is basic english.You presented a balderdash reply, while it was some what on-topic but negative in purpose without conceding to Stu's stance on God. You do not have to give in to the topic at hand in concession, you know that right? I replied with some nonsense to match your nonsense, even if it wasn't on-topic.That's all. Your statement made no sense and I was hoping you would back up your rhetoric but I guess you won't. Oh well.
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It's pretty simple.Say I want to find proof that God exists and I do what Stu suggests and show up to watch a birth. Then, something awful happens and the mom dies. When I walk out of that room, I don't think it's very likely that I'd think "Wow, God really does exist after all".makes perfect sense to me. Not really sure where I lost you.
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Are babies born with caudal appendages ("tails") proof of Satan? Can someone get some clarification from Stewart on this? :confused:
 
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Zaxxon said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Black&Gold said:
If you don't believe in God, watch a child being born.
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what if there are complications during childbirth and the mom dies as a result?what if the baby is deformed or born with some other disability?
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What if you get really aroused while watching some other guy's wife give birth and covet her?
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Go Old Testament on him - you know, eye for an eye.....tell him he can watch when she delivers your kid
 
Interesting that we have a Christian "ubermajority", but you couldn't tell it by the responses in this thread. It does take courage to say you a Christian because you will be branded as ignorant, intolerant, and hypocritical. (In before the "if the shoe fits" humor)

I'm a Christian, but I know it's not because of anything I've done, only Christ's sacrifice. I know that I am not better than any one who has ever lived, we've all sinned and thus fall short of God. I sin every day, practically every minute. I'm not perfect or "holier than thou", I'm just forgiven. I sincerely thank Jesus for that.

 
Corporation said:
Interesting that we have a Christian "ubermajority", but you couldn't tell it by the responses in this thread. It does take courage to say you a Christian because you will be branded as ignorant, intolerant, and hypocritical. (In before the "if the shoe fits" humor)

I'm a Christian, but I know it's not because of anything I've done, only Christ's sacrifice. I know that I am not better than any one who has ever lived, we've all sinned and thus fall short of God. I sin every day, practically every minute. I'm not perfect or "holier than thou", I'm just forgiven. I sincerely thank Jesus for that.
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No, no I haven't.
 
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Interesting that we have a Christian "ubermajority", but you couldn't tell it by the responses in this thread. It does take courage to say you a Christian because you will be branded as ignorant, intolerant, and hypocritical. (In before the "if the shoe fits" humor)I'm a Christian, but I know it's not because of anything I've done, only Christ's sacrifice. I know that I am not better than any one who has ever lived, we've all sinned and thus fall short of God. I sin every day, practically every minute. I'm not perfect or "holier than thou", I'm just forgiven. I sincerely thank Jesus for that.
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;) :lmao: :goodposting:
 
Corporation said:
Interesting that we have a Christian "ubermajority", but you couldn't tell it by the responses in this thread. It does take courage to say you a Christian because you will be branded as ignorant, intolerant, and hypocritical. (In before the "if the shoe fits" humor)
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This isn't the real world. Look around you. It certainly doesn't take any guts at all for any public figure, especially a sports figure, to start preaching. What would take guts would be for someone like Stu Scott to proclaim himself an atheist. Atheists dominate these topics here because logical discussion wins in print. That allows you guys to act like some sort of victims.
 
JZilla said:
Corporation said:
Interesting that we have a Christian "ubermajority", but you couldn't tell it by the responses in this thread. It does take courage to say you a Christian because you will be branded as ignorant, intolerant, and hypocritical. (In before the "if the shoe fits" humor)
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This isn't the real world. Look around you. It certainly doesn't take any guts at all for any public figure, especially a sports figure, to start preaching. What would take guts would be for someone like Stu Scott to proclaim himself an atheist. Atheists dominate these topics here because logical discussion wins in print. That allows you guys to act like some sort of victims.
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Explain it to me slower but I think you just called me ignorant, or at least illogical. Forgot to add martyr to my OP :) Anyway, I try to shy away from these discussions as I haven't seen much good come from them. I'll just disagree with you that it doesn't take courage to preach the Gospel. I will concede that it also takes courage to proclaim yourself an atheist. I believe the public reaction is 2 sides of the same coin. One side will criticize Tebow and his ilk by calling him holier than thou or saying he should just shut up and play, and the other side will denounce Lance Armstrong for being an atheist.

 
JZilla said:
Corporation said:
Interesting that we have a Christian "ubermajority", but you couldn't tell it by the responses in this thread. It does take courage to say you a Christian because you will be branded as ignorant, intolerant, and hypocritical. (In before the "if the shoe fits" humor)
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This isn't the real world. Look around you. It certainly doesn't take any guts at all for any public figure, especially a sports figure, to start preaching. What would take guts would be for someone like Stu Scott to proclaim himself an atheist. Atheists dominate these topics here because logical discussion wins in print. That allows you guys to act like some sort of victims.
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:confused: Yeah, that's it.

 
Who cares what Stuart Scott thinks?

I am dying for an athlete to wear "trust in Allah: for He is the One" and watch so many Christians have a sudden change of heart on the mixing of religion and sports.

 
I've seen both of my children born. It is an exhilarating experience, fraught with danger and hope. The trial of the mother to give birth and the struggle of the child to be born are pretty momentous even for the fact that it is mundane, worldly, and common as others have already pointed out. (Though I like the way Alan Moore puts it in The Watchmen when he has Dr. Manhattan say ""In each human coupling, a thousand million sperm vie for a single egg. Multiply those odds by countless generations, against the odds of your ancestors being alive, meeting, siring this precise son; that exact daughter...until your mother loves a man ...and of that union, of the thousand million children competing for fertilization, it was you, only you...(it's) like turning air to gold...thermodynamic miracle." I think there's something poetic about every new life.)

My youngest son was almost strangled by his umbilical cord as he was born, and I can remember the deep shade of purple his face was before the doctor casually flipped the cord out from under his neck. (Obviously my son was very eager to begin life as a Viking fan but lacked the face paint so he must have improvised.)

I am very thankful that he didn't suffer any more complications than we already knew he was going to have when he was born. However, I didn't see anything that made me a believer or that isn't easily explained by logic. Scott's argument is tantamount to a primitive society finding their faith in the rising sun each morning. It's not evidence of the supernatural.

 
ScottyFargo said:
I've seen both of my children born. It is an exhilarating experience, fraught with danger and hope. The trial of the mother to give birth and the struggle of the child to be born are pretty momentous even for the fact that it is mundane, worldly, and common as others have already pointed out. (Though I like the way Alan Moore puts it in The Watchmen when he has Dr. Manhattan say ""In each human coupling, a thousand million sperm vie for a single egg. Multiply those odds by countless generations, against the odds of your ancestors being alive, meeting, siring this precise son; that exact daughter...until your mother loves a man ...and of that union, of the thousand million children competing for fertilization, it was you, only you...(it's) like turning air to gold...thermodynamic miracle." I think there's something poetic about every new life.)

My youngest son was almost strangled by his umbilical cord as he was born, and I can remember the deep shade of purple his face was before the doctor casually flipped the cord out from under his neck. (Obviously my son was very eager to begin life as a Viking fan but lacked the face paint so he must have improvised.)

I am very thankful that he didn't suffer any more complications than we already knew he was going to have when he was born. However, I didn't see anything that made me a believer or that isn't easily explained by logic. Scott's argument is tantamount to a primitive society finding their faith in the rising sun each morning. It's not evidence of the supernatural.
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And even if you equated children being born and the sun rising to supernatural, it does not in anyway have any specific connection to Christianity. Plenty of kids are born in Hindu India and the sun rises everyday in Yemen.
 
Ilov80s said:
ScottyFargo said:
I've seen both of my children born. It is an exhilarating experience, fraught with danger and hope. The trial of the mother to give birth and the struggle of the child to be born are pretty momentous even for the fact that it is mundane, worldly, and common as others have already pointed out. (Though I like the way Alan Moore puts it in The Watchmen when he has Dr. Manhattan say ""In each human coupling, a thousand million sperm vie for a single egg. Multiply those odds by countless generations, against the odds of your ancestors being alive, meeting, siring this precise son; that exact daughter...until your mother loves a man ...and of that union, of the thousand million children competing for fertilization, it was you, only you...(it's) like turning air to gold...thermodynamic miracle." I think there's something poetic about every new life.)

My youngest son was almost strangled by his umbilical cord as he was born, and I can remember the deep shade of purple his face was before the doctor casually flipped the cord out from under his neck. (Obviously my son was very eager to begin life as a Viking fan but lacked the face paint so he must have improvised.)

I am very thankful that he didn't suffer any more complications than we already knew he was going to have when he was born. However, I didn't see anything that made me a believer or that isn't easily explained by logic. Scott's argument is tantamount to a primitive society finding their faith in the rising sun each morning. It's not evidence of the supernatural.
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And even if you equated children being born and the sun rising to supernatural, it does not in anyway have any specific connection to Christianity. Plenty of kids are born in Hindu India and the sun rises everyday in Yemen.
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For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
 
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