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Sturgis - a peek inside (2 Viewers)

CGRdrJoe said:
I have a buddy there sending me snaps everyday and it looks like a ghost town. 
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Saw something today saying some group there was having a contest to see who can spit the farthest. Anyone with even half a brain wouldn’t want to be around that type of idiocy.

 
Penguin said:
Yeah, 250-300k in attendance reported. Bottom line, Smash Mouth is really all you need to know, end of story
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Ive heard that number thrown around. Is that the average annual attendance, or was that what they were actually projecting for this year? The bar in the video looks pretty empty.  :shrug:

 
Ilov80s said:
The level of selfishness in this country is astounding
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I think it's based in ignorance and machismo, really. It's got a biker vibe to it, much like the "Can You Pass The Acid Test?" and lacing Kool-Aid with LSD used to appeal to that segment of the population.

It's really, more than anything, has an individualist spirit in a time where what is called for is collective action. (Or inaction, as it were.)

 
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rockaction said:
I think it's based in ignorance and machismo, really. It's got a biker vibe to it, much like the "Can You Pass The Acid Test?" and lacing Kool-Aid with LSD used to appeal to that segment of the population.

It's really, more than anything, has an individualist spirit in a time where what is called for is collective action. (Or inaction, as it were.)
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Machismo for sure. Ignorance though? Do you think they haven't heard about COVID? They aren't capable of understanding how disease is spread?

A biker rally where 300k people all dressed similarly, riding motorcycles and connections to biker gangs seems like the opposite of individualism. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
Machismo for sure. Ignorance though? Do you think they haven't heard about COVID? They aren't capable of understanding how disease is spread?

A biker rally where 300k people all dressed similarly, riding motorcycles and connections to biker gangs seems like the opposite of individualism.
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People are still having trouble wrapping their heads around the disease, yes. The general distrust -- especially among bikers, of all people -- of experts and government and communities with limits goes very far in this, I think.

I think if you said your second sentence at a biker rally you'd get bopped in the noggin. They ain't 1 percenters for nothing, you know. They're thumbing their nose at the accredited establishment. Plus, they might really not care if they die. 

 
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Back in the early 2000s I was on a solo road/camping trip up to the back country of Wyoming and two bikers were in front of me on a deserted strip of highway that I would normally increase speed and make up time but these big biker guys were going the speed limit on a wide road with no traffic and no cops and the weather was perfect.  

I couldn't pass because they were riding together and hogging the road till one guy notices I'm waiting and he pulls over to the shoulder and then the second guy realizes his buddy has pulled over so he puts on his blinker and starts to pull over to the side of the road leaving me a wide-open passing lane.

Great!  I crank it up to 86mph and am overtaking the biker with ease when all-of-a-sudden he turns BACK into the lane and then HE TURNS ALL THE WAY INTO THE OTHER LANE as I''m barreling down on him I couldn't slam on the brakes so I go-for-it.

He is just about to be splattered into my grill when he sees me out of the corner of his eye and puts it down.  I think I may have grazed his shirt, I was that close to killing him.  

My heart leapt out of my chest and I kept looking back into the rear view mirror with images of two bikers with knives in their teeth on a revenge vendetta after me.  

For the life of me I have no idea why that idiot decided to make a wide 360 turn in the middle of the road.  Morons

 
rockaction said:
People are still having trouble wrapping their heads around the disease, yes. The general distrust -- especially among bikers, of all people -- of experts and government and communities with limits goes very far in this, I think.

I think if you said your second sentence at a biker rally you'd get bopped in the noggin. They ain't 1 percenters for nothing, you know. They're thumbing their nose at the accredited establishment. Plus, they might really not care if they die. 
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Maybe that’s just where we disagree. I see the skepticism of experts as being selfishness. It’s an assumption that you, the non-expert, have a better understanding of the complex topic than an actual expert who has dedicated their life to it. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. These people mostly have all the knowledge, but are choosing to either believe what they want to believe or are unwilling to accept opinions that contradict their values or ideas. 
 

As for the “I’m going to show how unique of an individual I am by joining a pre-established culture that has its own uniform, language, music, events and established way of life” isn’t unique to bikers. I see the teens do it all the time at school. Nothing wrong with it, normal human behavior. It’s just not actually being very individualistic. 
 

Just my 2 cents. No matter what though, it’s frustrating and has me continuing to question a lot of things. 

 
rockaction said:
People are still having trouble wrapping their heads around the disease, yes. The general distrust -- especially among bikers, of all people -- of experts and government and communities with limits goes very far in this, I think.
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Many of the bikers interviewed think the virus is a manufactured story and basically a hoax. As for distrust of the government, there are Trump banners and t-shirts all over Sturgis. Check out this biker chick.

 
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simey said:
Many of the bikers interviewed think the virus is a manufactured story and basically a hoax. As for distrust of the the government, there are Trump banners and t-shirts all over Sturgis. Check out this biker chick.
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I was going to say something about President Trump being an outsider candidate but the thread would have been predictably derailed if I did. And I could have said he is or he isn't. Either way, the thread still would have blown up. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
Maybe that’s just where we disagree. I see the skepticism of experts as being selfishness. It’s an assumption that you, the non-expert, have a better understanding of the complex topic than an actual expert who has dedicated their life to it. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. These people mostly have all the knowledge, but are choosing to either believe what they want to believe or are unwilling to accept opinions that contradict their values or ideas. 

As for the “I’m going to show how unique of an individual I am by joining a pre-established culture that has its own uniform, language, music, events and established way of life” isn’t unique to bikers. I see the teens do it all the time at school. Nothing wrong with it, normal human behavior. It’s just not actually being very individualistic. 

Just my 2 cents. No matter what though, it’s frustrating and has me continuing to question a lot of things. 
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Indeed on the bikers as acting as conforming non-conformists like teens do. I agreed with you before, I just left it unwritten. We all, as we age, seek out our likenesses in our peer group. Perhaps anti-establishment is what I meant when I used the term "individualism," which ironically, has a negative connotation qua term in Europe of all places, a continent where they seem to have quarantined the disease through collective action.

 
The videos and webcam make the event seem even deader than the 35+BMI old guys.

So you ride a bike a long way to drink expensive Budweiser?  

Seems like it's one of those things that was a lot cooler 20 years ago.  

 
simey said:
Many of the bikers interviewed think the virus is a manufactured story and basically a hoax. As for distrust of the government, there are Trump banners and t-shirts all over Sturgis. Check out this biker chick.
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Quoting myself from another thread:

How many twitter threads need to happen where it is "just a hoax/flu, no one can take my freedom and make me wear a mask" -> 1 week later "whoa, really sick, this is no joke" -> 3 weeks later "this is soandso's family, letting you know that they have passed away" before potential skeptics have some self reflection and realize that the world is not trying to pull a prank on them by having them wear a mask and stop going to bars. There are a ton of them who have followed this script already. 
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Expecting lots of this in 5 weeks or so, especially with the overweight and old demographic at Sturgis, plus they will bring it home to wherever they live.

 
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Based on the lower attendance, it appears that the rest of the world may owe Biker Guys an apology. They seem to be showing a higher level of courtesy and responsibility than previously believed.

 
Joe Summer said:
Based on the lower attendance, it appears that the rest of the world may owe Biker Guys an apology. They seem to be showing a higher level of courtesy and responsibility than previously believed.
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There is over 200,000 bikers there, and most are not wearing masks. 

 
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simey said:
There is over 200,000 bikers there, and most are not wearing mask. 
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Is that at one time?  I suppose it doesn't matter, but seems relevant.  

The videos and webcams show nearly zero masks, but they seem to be doing most things outside.

 
culdeus said:
Is that at one time?  I suppose it doesn't matter, but seems relevant.  

The videos and webcams show nearly zero masks, but they seem to be doing most things outside.
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The news showed the inside of a bar that had a top and bottom floor and it was packed with people, and all of them were maskless.

 
Looks like they rebuilt the place nicely after the fire. I miss the tv show. 
 

That sounded like a young Vince Neal singing. 

 
Ilov80s said:
University of Colorado estimates that there are over 250,000 cases now linked to the Sturgis Rally- 19% of all current cases representing a public health cost of $12B

https://twitter.com/FriedsonAndrew/status/1302591878957862912?s=20
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Interestingly, these researchers applied the same methodology to the BLM protests and the Trump Tulsa rally and find no discernable impact for either, primarily (they suppose) due to offsetting decreased social mobility / increased protective measures from those local but not attending. 

The Sturgis Rally was quite a bit larger in population and duration compared to the Trump rally.  I imagine that in total the BLM protests were on par for population, but much more spread out geographically, thus much less concentrated.

 
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The Z Machine said:
Interestingly, these researchers applied the same methodology to the BLM protests and the Trump Tulsa rally and find no discernable impact for either, primarily (they suppose) due to offsetting decreased social mobility / increased protective measures from those local but not attending. 

The Sturgis Rally was quite a bit larger in population and duration compared to the Trump rally.  I imagine that in total the BLM protests were on par for population, but much more spread out geographically, thus much less concentrated.
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Great points.Probably lots of issues with the bike rally

1. Huge number of people 

2. Together for a long period of time

3. Likely a crowd with little interest in any safety protocols and in a place that’s unlikely to enforce anything. 

4. Alcohol and drug use reduces inhibitions and will only increase high risk behavior. There is a high likelihood many were there to flaunt their disregard for social health measures . 

5. They were from a huge swath of the country and on their rides back home stopped a ton of places along the way. 
 

Seems like a perfect design to mass speed a disease. 

 
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The Z Machine said:
Interestingly, these researchers applied the same methodology to the BLM protests and the Trump Tulsa rally and find no discernable impact for either, primarily (they suppose) due to offsetting decreased social mobility / increased protective measures from those local but not attending. 

The Sturgis Rally was quite a bit larger in population and duration compared to the Trump rally.  I imagine that in total the BLM protests were on par for population, but much more spread out geographically, thus much less concentrated.
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The problem here is college football will look a lot more like a sturgis rally than a protest, despite what some would wish.

 
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