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Defense + SchwartzPlus he's just a beast
McCoy is going to be a real good one too. I'm not going to say as good as Suh, like someone else said, he might be the best in the NFL already, but he will be special
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Best DT since Warren Sapp so I doubt it.
It was voted on 617 by players and coaches. Can't blame the result on a lack of football knowledge.
he destroysAndrew Garda said:
You have to be fishing. The only way Suh doesn't become a pernennial Pro-Bowler is a freak injury.*edit* I like Bradford and I think he'll be a fine QB. Suh just seems to play at a different level though.Gopher State said:
Suh will probably struggle his second year like so many do and then sorta figure it out and have a sweet career. There's some in this thread that are acting as if this is the rookie of the year poll that matters. I find that interesting.Usually it's AP or USAToday or PFWA or something.This poll has flaws. I love the concept with players and NFL coaches, but there are some super sized holes in it. IIRC there's 1700 players in the NFL so 617 is a pretty small number. That in and of itself makes me wonder about "coaches." Were there 5 DCs voting? 6 DB coaches? 32 head coaches? Again I love the concept but I don't think the poll is there yet. They need to drum up more support and participation from the NFL. They might even need to have a "you can't vote for guys on your team" rule because players can be extreme homers.
Actually, I believe that Bradford should be no better than third behind Suh and Tampa Bay WR Mike Williams. Williams' numbers stand up to the top WRs in the NFL, while as another poster mentioned previously, Bradford's do not. That's not to say Bradford didn't have a nice rookie season, he did.. but compared to Suh and Williams, personally, I think he's third but wouldn't be surprised to see him win one of those awards from the other sources simply because of his name recognition as a QB and first overall pick.I disagree with the notion that the TSN poll and award is either flawed or in some way lacking credibility. Even if it's a 25-35% sampling rate of the NFL population of players and coaches, it's not without merit.
That means nothing. Rookie of the Year does not go to the rookie most likely to be great years from now; it goes to the rookie who had the best season. And that was Suh. But I think it goes without saying that, barring either suffering a major injury, both have very bright NFL futures ahead of them.Gopher State said:
I doubt it.I love Suh and think he's fantastic. This is not really a slight on him but I don't know that a DT has ever won a close voting race with a QB. It just doesn't work that way. One's the media darling and one's the grunt people like to root for. I have a lot of writer friends and no one even debates Suh but as second place between he and McCourty.I imagine it's more likely Suh not winning it creates a stir, he gets even more motivated and wins the MVP or DPoY next year or somesuch. I have a friend that's older and calls Bradford "fancy boy." Suh is no grunt and "fancy boy" is kinda funny but you can't change a culture over night. Bradford is still playing the position that deities Peyton and Brady play while Suh is playing the one where we remember Jim Burt's gut hanging out. My opinion-Bradford was better.Schwartz built an excellent DL pretty quick and Vandy & co surely helped Suh. We all knew on draft day he couldn't be blocked by one guy, but the Lions have four that you have to worry about and not a whole lot else on defense. (They have names but only the DL stepped up IMO) Bradford had no help. It was like a cruel joke. Somewhere there was somebody whining about his salary and cruelly pleased that he threw to a bunch of junk WRs as if "serves ya right." Jax got hurt for a little bit there and Darby is supposed to take weight off of him? I really think that Rams O was the worst offense he's played on since high school. That's gotta be hard. It's gotta be harder than playing with a group of talented DL.I would have never said the Rams would make the playoffs or have a shot at it. They did and it really does seem like it's all due to Bradford. FWIW I thought Haynesworth got hosed 3-4 years ago for MVP and I was one of the few that voted for him. I'm usually the one in the "grunt's" corner in the debate.
Bradford set records for a rookie NFL quarterback.Michael Clayton was a better Bucs rookie WR than Williams.
Of course SN is a legit poll/award. Just saying there are a few more out there which I am sure will have different winners.I don't get how you can say Bradford did not have nice numbers. He broke records in completions, attempts, the 2nd most yards for a rookie QB, and holds the longest rookie streak of completions without interceptions. Matt Ryan who is a former ROY, had numbers similar to Bradford in his rookie year.Mike Williams indeed had a great year, but he did not even hit 1,000 receiving yards. Yes he had the TDs and warrants to be a finalist for the ROY, but the problem is receivers like that are "common". I mean, players like Nicks and Fitzgerald had fine rookie years but weren't ROY winners. Percy Harvin was the last receiver to win the ROY and he was more noted for his return abilities in addition to his receiving skills. Not a knock on Williams since I love his ability and would draft him in all my leagues, but saying Bradford stands out more with the things he's done.
Suh is a once in a generation talent. 15-20 years from now, he will be in the hall.Williams was about the 16th best WR, Bradford was about the 19th best QB. Neither one could lay claim to being one of the "top" players in the NFL.Also, Williams only caught 50% of passes thrown to him (near the bottom for the entire NFL, and one of the worst percentages in recent NFL history). And he's among the league leaders in dropped passes.
Where do you do ur stand up comedy show at? I would pay to see that since your pretty funny.... Not that good you said? If Suh is not good, who is? LOL, your football knowledge card just got revoked.Gopher State said:
As far as gophers go, he's not exactly golden.
Compared to other QBs, yeah, Bradford wasn't the best. But as a rookie? How many other QBs do you know put up the same numbers that he did as a true rookie who played all 16 games. Not to mention, he single handedly changed a 1-15 team to a 7-9 team. Not a winning record, but it is leaps and bounds a huge positive change.
5.95 yards/attempt is not very good. Flacco put up 6.94 and Ryan put up 7.93. Roethlisberger 8.8 (though only 14 games). In fact, of rookie QBs who've thrown for at least 2000 yards, Bradford is 28th out of 35 in yards/attempt.The main thing he has going for him is he threw it a lot; his 590 attempts is the most ever for a rookie.
Bradford was the best rookie QB of 2010, but he's not a top-10 player at his position (not yet at least -- maybe next year). Suh is easily a top-10 defensive tackle and arguably the best defensive lineman in the league.As for Bradford being one of the best rookie QBs in recent memory.......there are arguments to be made for Ryan, Flacco, Roethlisberger, and of course Manning.
Suh was a no brainer pick for Detroit. They had their QB (thankfully the Rams didn't) and a horrible defense. This pick was as easy as taking Barry Sanders 3rd overall after GB took Manderich 2nd after Aikman went 1st.I think Pouncey should have been top 5, probably leaving Bryant off the top 5. Bryant started the season slow and didn't end the season at all. Pittsburgh's line was supposed to be a mess this year and although it's had some troubles, they're now a pretty solid unit and I believe the great play of Pouncey is a large reason for that.Don't get me wrong, I think Dez Bryant is a huge talent, I wouldn't trade him for Mike Williams TB but Mike was more consistent and made it through the entire season, that counts for something. I would have liked to see a hard working center get in the top 5, tough position to play.Bob Henry said:
Bradford had a very solid rookie season, no doubt. There are many years he would have actually won it, but Suh was a beast and helped turn around one of the worst defenses in history. The NFL definately got this right. Gunther Cunningham (the Lions DC) said before the draft that Suh is the best player he's ever seen on film coming out of college, this guy is just a beast and there's definately room for him to get better. Heck, he did miss a PAT this year!Whoosah said:
I won't argue nor contest Suh's accomplishments and him being regarded as ROY, but I wonder if everyone feels if he is the unanimous shoo-in as ROY across all votes.Just saying Bradford has made his mark and hell, some articles compare him to Peyton when he was in his rookie year. Not saying Bradford is the next Manning, but I think it's quite an accomplishment to be in the same sentence as Manning as a rookie. I just don't think/feel Suh will be the undisputed ROY, some votes should favor Bradford for his accomplishments as well.
That's fair but Suh got better as the season wore on while Bradford faded.
Well, the vote was relatively close. I think Bradford will do very well if the award only selects offensive players
When they played this year, Suh won that battle as the Lions won 44-6.
He should have won the Heisman trophy last year too.
