Suicide (3 Viewers)

[CurlyNight]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

 

[simey]

I will say this worked for me because I was willing to give it a shot and I'm a pretty rational thinker. I could see people saying it's a bunch of nonsense, or thinking it was cultlike or something. For me it worked a lot better than laying on a couch and talking about how my mom wronged me when I was 7.
Also, I don't want to make it seem perfect or anything. I'm definitely a work in progress and my mind still takes me all sorts of dark places. But CBT has helped give me tools to deal with my depression if I remember to use them.

I find it interesting. I'm glad you have found something that is helping you.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

If you have low thyroid it could be part of the problem (it is with me). I do use iodine but the stuff in salt won't do much but prevent disease (goiter) like you said. I use liquid iodine (iodoral). It helps.

 

[El Floppo]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

I hope this works for you MC.

Every person I know on meds who goes off the meds for whatever un-doctor prescribed reason ends up in bad shape, regardless of how things start. You seem in touch with your own mental state- please be aware and take care of yourself with this move.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

If you have low thyroid it could be part of the problem (it is with me). I do use iodine but the stuff in salt won't do much but prevent disease (goiter) like you said. I use liquid iodine (iodoral). It helps.

What percent solution? How many drops did you start with and whst dose are you on now and for how long? Which brand would you reccomend? What results did you get?

 

[MC Gas Money]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

I hope this works for you MC.

Every person I know on meds who goes off the meds for whatever un-doctor prescribed reason ends up in bad shape, regardless of how things start. You seem in touch with your own mental state- please be aware and take care of yourself with this move.

Ive never had a problem going off meds cold turkey, even benzos. Im the only person ive known that was able to quit heavy narcotic usage with little withdraw besides lethargy and irritability. Im lucky that way.

Some meds in the past have given me side effects, usually sexual and I always stopped them cold turkey against my doctors advice. In the past I had trouble seeing shrinks regularly because of my crappy insurance and even know i only see the doc once a month. I have an appt wednesday and ill tell her my plans.

Like most nutrition they teach dovtors little to npthing about it because there is no profit in it for them.

 

[CurlyNight]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

DO NOT go off your meds! You may think they aren't working, but most of them if you go off of them, you will feel worse. I know. I went through this with my cousin who thought she was doing fine and with her pcp help, slowly went off the meds. She decided fish oil was the answer. It was a friggin nightmare with how bad she felt and she couldn't function. She had cloudy head, slurred speech, felt like she had the flu, and on it goes. She crashed and became suicidal, went to the psych ward until they could stabilize her.

Please do not go off your med without full consultation with your psychiatrist. I don't know what you are on, but if you've been on anything for a decent amount of time, it will be a #####. My cousin lost a year of her life trying to get back to being ok. She's back on those meds that she felt weren't doing anything, but apparently they were.

If there was an easy try this fix, it would be all over the place. But there isn't. Talk to your doctor for sure and do not go off the meds.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

DO NOT go off your meds! You may think they aren't working, but most of them if you go off of them, you will feel worse. I know. I went through this with my cousin who thought she was doing fine and with her pcp help, slowly went off the meds. She decided fish oil was the answer. It was a friggin nightmare with how bad she felt and she couldn't function. She had cloudy head, slurred speech, felt like she had the flu, and on it goes. She crashed and became suicidal, went to the psych ward until they could stabilize her.Please do not go off your med without full consultation with your psychiatrist. I don't know what you are on, but if you've been on anything for a decent amount of time, it will be a #####. My cousin lost a year of her life trying to get back to being ok. She's back on those meds that she felt weren't doing anything, but apparently they were.

If there was an easy try this fix, it would be all over the place. But there isn't. Talk to your doctor for sure and do not go off the meds.

Ive never had problems withdrawing from any meds. Ive done it dozens of times. I dont see how a nutrient would matter anyway

 

[MC Gas Money]

I went on a 3 month crack, heroin and alcohol binge. Heavy use every day. Quit cold turkey and I was fine

 

[CurlyNight]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

DO NOT go off your meds! You may think they aren't working, but most of them if you go off of them, you will feel worse. I know. I went through this with my cousin who thought she was doing fine and with her pcp help, slowly went off the meds. She decided fish oil was the answer. It was a friggin nightmare with how bad she felt and she couldn't function. She had cloudy head, slurred speech, felt like she had the flu, and on it goes. She crashed and became suicidal, went to the psych ward until they could stabilize her.Please do not go off your med without full consultation with your psychiatrist. I don't know what you are on, but if you've been on anything for a decent amount of time, it will be a #####. My cousin lost a year of her life trying to get back to being ok. She's back on those meds that she felt weren't doing anything, but apparently they were.

If there was an easy try this fix, it would be all over the place. But there isn't. Talk to your doctor for sure and do not go off the meds.

Ive never had problems withdrawing from any meds. Ive done it dozens of times. I dont see how a nutrient would matter anyway

It's just ubber safe to not mess with your body chemistry like iodine can but as long as you keep it low dose I guess. I've just been through nightmares with a bipolar and schizoaffective family members as well in the past so I'm real cautious in going a different route, especially just dropping the meds. Finding your cousin under a bridge when she fled the house from going off her meds scared me enough to be real cautious when I hear someone just dropping the meds on their own (not this cousin, another one. Lots of family MI unfortunately). I wish you well.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

DO NOT go off your meds! You may think they aren't working, but most of them if you go off of them, you will feel worse. I know. I went through this with my cousin who thought she was doing fine and with her pcp help, slowly went off the meds. She decided fish oil was the answer. It was a friggin nightmare with how bad she felt and she couldn't function. She had cloudy head, slurred speech, felt like she had the flu, and on it goes. She crashed and became suicidal, went to the psych ward until they could stabilize her.Please do not go off your med without full consultation with your psychiatrist. I don't know what you are on, but if you've been on anything for a decent amount of time, it will be a #####. My cousin lost a year of her life trying to get back to being ok. She's back on those meds that she felt weren't doing anything, but apparently they were.

If there was an easy try this fix, it would be all over the place. But there isn't. Talk to your doctor for sure and do not go off the meds.

Ive never had problems withdrawing from any meds. Ive done it dozens of times. I dont see how a nutrient would matter anyway

It's just ubber safe to not mess with your body chemistry like iodine can but as long as you keep it low dose I guess. I've just been through nightmares with a bipolar and schizoaffective family members as well in the past so I'm real cautious in going a different route, especially just dropping the meds. Finding your cousin under a bridge when she fled the house from going off her meds scared me enough to be real cautious when I hear someone just dropping the meds on their own (not this cousin, another one. Lots of family MI unfortunately). I wish you well.

Im not bi polarbor schizophrenic. Im on depakote for depression, propanolol for anxiety and ambien to sleep. Not drugs fot psichosis

 

[CurlyNight]

I've never heard of depakote for depression. That's a common med for bipolar folks or folks with seizures. Maybe it's your doctor you need to change? It's maddening because there are so many different combos of meds that it's really a shot in the dark to find something that actually gets you functional if you have it severe.

 

[Henry Ford]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

DO NOT go off your meds! You may think they aren't working, but most of them if you go off of them, you will feel worse. I know. I went through this with my cousin who thought she was doing fine and with her pcp help, slowly went off the meds. She decided fish oil was the answer. It was a friggin nightmare with how bad she felt and she couldn't function. She had cloudy head, slurred speech, felt like she had the flu, and on it goes. She crashed and became suicidal, went to the psych ward until they could stabilize her.Please do not go off your med without full consultation with your psychiatrist. I don't know what you are on, but if you've been on anything for a decent amount of time, it will be a #####. My cousin lost a year of her life trying to get back to being ok. She's back on those meds that she felt weren't doing anything, but apparently they were.

If there was an easy try this fix, it would be all over the place. But there isn't. Talk to your doctor for sure and do not go off the meds.

Ive never had problems withdrawing from any meds. Ive done it dozens of times. I dont see how a nutrient would matter anyway

It's just ubber safe to not mess with your body chemistry like iodine can but as long as you keep it low dose I guess. I've just been through nightmares with a bipolar and schizoaffective family members as well in the past so I'm real cautious in going a different route, especially just dropping the meds. Finding your cousin under a bridge when she fled the house from going off her meds scared me enough to be real cautious when I hear someone just dropping the meds on their own (not this cousin, another one. Lots of family MI unfortunately). I wish you well.

Im not bi polarbor schizophrenic. Im on depakote for depression, propanolol for anxiety and ambien to sleep. Not drugs fot psichosis

Depakote for depression?

 

[Parmcat]

I have not seen depakane used for depression either, other bi-polar, and usually when the client is in the manic phase.

I also agree it is such a bad idea to quit meds cold turkey. First, some meds need to be titrated off slowly as to not shock the system. Next, there are withdrawl effects that you may not even realize that you are experiencing. Lastly, if you are suffering from a truly major depressive disorder, stopping meds, and restarting them can make each depressive episode worse, deeper and harder to dig out of. There is a reason you go to the Dr to get the meds....use the same logic to change/quit them.

I also give thumbs up to CBT. It is a very good treatment for depressive disorder. If you are suffering from a depressive episode due to trauma, there are other therapies they may be more effective.

Ambien, in my experiences,, causes way too many side effects. We use more Zoplicone/melatonin/Seroquel for sleep

 

[CurlyNight]

I have not seen depakane used for depression either, other bi-polar, and usually when the client is in the manic phase.

I also agree it is such a bad idea to quit meds cold turkey. First, some meds need to be titrated off slowly as to not shock the system. Next, there are withdrawl effects that you may not even realize that you are experiencing. Lastly, if you are suffering from a truly major depressive disorder, stopping meds, and restarting them can make each depressive episode worse, deeper and harder to dig out of. There is a reason you go to the Dr to get the meds....use the same logic to change/quit them.

I also give thumbs up to CBT. It is a very good treatment for depressive disorder. If you are suffering from a depressive episode due to trauma, there are other therapies they may be more effective.

Ambien, in my experiences,, causes way too many side effects. We use more Zoplicone/melatonin/Seroquel for sleep

Good to know. Maybe that's why my cousin is really struggling and can't pull herself out. Part of the stress is income so I hope ss will see she is not able to work for a long while. It's hard enough having MI and then having to convince people it's not your garden variety issue is really tough.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

If you have low thyroid it could be part of the problem (it is with me). I do use iodine but the stuff in salt won't do much but prevent disease (goiter) like you said. I use liquid iodine (iodoral). It helps.

What percent solution? How many drops did you start with and whst dose are you on now and for how long? Which brand would you reccomend? What results did you get?

I agree with the guys above and below are saying. I only use the iodine because I've tested low for thyroid and use it in conjunction with levothyroxine meds. Between the two I should have T3 and T4 covered. But, I would suggest having your thyroid tested as it can impact stress, anxiety, etc. so getting that ruled out or fixed could help.

Here's the one I use with good info about iodine. http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/iosol_iodine.php I just use one drop a day 1830mcg or maybe two if I need it. I find that having the thyroid stuff handled to a degree gives me some energy, but for this threads purposes it helps with clear thinking. I would get bad brain fog, feel spacey or have trouble making my thoughts flow through with my communication which was troubling being a teacher. I'd be up there giving a lesson and be like "what I just said was almost jibberish and not at all what I had formulated in my mind, weird..." so the thyroid stuff helps with that. However, I also take GABA (focus, anxiety), Holy Basil (adaptagenic), Rhodiola Rosea (adaptagenic), fish oil (tons of stuff on it helping with brain health, depression, behavior, etc.). I'm very natural healing based and hate when I have to succomb and use an anti depressant (I even am only using half the prescibed dose because I was already starting to feel that sluggishness, brain changing effect that I hate). My mother worked at a health food store for most of her live and I worked at one for a while also so I always go natural remedies first especially if I can pair that with my fitness, meditation, etc.

It's ironic because in my circle I'm known as the health nut and go to guy for advice on most of this stuff. If only I didn't have this nagging thought patter emerge I'd be considered to be in great health. In fact my depression or thoughts don't really revolve around being sad anymore. For me it's mostly this feeling of "is this really what I'm looking at for the next 30-40 years (mostly a job that is extremely stressful without the typical rewards of teaching). And then add all the other real life stuff on top of that and I just get overwhelmed and don't want any part of it. Again, making me feel like an a$$. That cognitive therapy stuff sounds awesome and something I used to do on my own without realizing it. Journaling, analyzing the reasons, objectifying, etc....

 

[NCCommish]

Thanks for the kind words. Right now she is not getting any disability. It is so hard to do with mental illness that we have already been told to expect to be rejected and then we'll need a lawyer. So for right now we are muddling through without it. I think it's great what you are doing for your cousin. The SSI stuff is intense. I wish you the best of luck and hope you get it first time.

70% of applicants are denied the first time. You then appeal it, and if denied again you request an Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) hearing, and that usually takes around 10 to 12 months. My SIL is bipolar plus physically disabled, and she was denied twice, but was granted disability by the ALJ. She had an attorney to help in the process. Having doctor support is a key factor in getting disability.

Yeah I think this will end up being how we would go. My wife does have physical issues as well but they aren't completely debilitating. It's the anxiety and depression that are the problems. It's so hard to get her out of the house even to a doctor. Much less hearings and lawyer visits. Plus and I guess this is a little selfish but some small part of me sees that as giving up. It's never getting better than this. So that plays in the reluctance as well as silly as it is.

 

[CurlyNight]

Thanks for the kind words. Right now she is not getting any disability. It is so hard to do with mental illness that we have already been told to expect to be rejected and then we'll need a lawyer. So for right now we are muddling through without it. I think it's great what you are doing for your cousin. The SSI stuff is intense. I wish you the best of luck and hope you get it first time.

70% of applicants are denied the first time. You then appeal it, and if denied again you request an Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) hearing, and that usually takes around 10 to 12 months. My SIL is bipolar plus physically disabled, and she was denied twice, but was granted disability by the ALJ. She had an attorney to help in the process. Having doctor support is a key factor in getting disability.

Yeah I think this will end up being how we would go. My wife does have physical issues as well but they aren't completely debilitating. It's the anxiety and depression that are the problems. It's so hard to get her out of the house even to a doctor. Much less hearings and lawyer visits. Plus and I guess this is a little selfish but some small part of me sees that as giving up. It's never getting better than this. So that plays in the reluctance as well as silly as it is.

If you haven't seen this already, check out the MI criteria for ss:

http://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/12.00-MentalDisorders-Adult.htm

 

[NCCommish]

Thanks for the kind words. Right now she is not getting any disability. It is so hard to do with mental illness that we have already been told to expect to be rejected and then we'll need a lawyer. So for right now we are muddling through without it. I think it's great what you are doing for your cousin. The SSI stuff is intense. I wish you the best of luck and hope you get it first time.

70% of applicants are denied the first time. You then appeal it, and if denied again you request an Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) hearing, and that usually takes around 10 to 12 months. My SIL is bipolar plus physically disabled, and she was denied twice, but was granted disability by the ALJ. She had an attorney to help in the process. Having doctor support is a key factor in getting disability.

Yeah I think this will end up being how we would go. My wife does have physical issues as well but they aren't completely debilitating. It's the anxiety and depression that are the problems. It's so hard to get her out of the house even to a doctor. Much less hearings and lawyer visits. Plus and I guess this is a little selfish but some small part of me sees that as giving up. It's never getting better than this. So that plays in the reluctance as well as silly as it is.

If you haven't seen this already, check out the MI criteria for ss:

http://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/12.00-MentalDisorders-Adult.htm

Yeah I saw that a while ago. She definitely qualifies under the anxiety related disorders. She is agoraphobic so she fully satisfies C and she hits 3 out of 4 of A. Heck she may hit all 4 and I don't realize it.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Wonderful thread and thanks to everyone for their courage in sharing. It is extremely helpful.

I don't think ive ever been close to suicide, but definitely identify with many of the thoughts and emotions expressed in this thread..on a daily basis. For whatever reason this year so far seems like one of the worst for me from a depression standpoint.

Thank you for this thread.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

DO NOT go off your meds! You may think they aren't working, but most of them if you go off of them, you will feel worse. I know. I went through this with my cousin who thought she was doing fine and with her pcp help, slowly went off the meds. She decided fish oil was the answer. It was a friggin nightmare with how bad she felt and she couldn't function. She had cloudy head, slurred speech, felt like she had the flu, and on it goes. She crashed and became suicidal, went to the psych ward until they could stabilize her.Please do not go off your med without full consultation with your psychiatrist. I don't know what you are on, but if you've been on anything for a decent amount of time, it will be a #####. My cousin lost a year of her life trying to get back to being ok. She's back on those meds that she felt weren't doing anything, but apparently they were.

If there was an easy try this fix, it would be all over the place. But there isn't. Talk to your doctor for sure and do not go off the meds.

Ive never had problems withdrawing from any meds. Ive done it dozens of times. I dont see how a nutrient would matter anyway

It's just ubber safe to not mess with your body chemistry like iodine can but as long as you keep it low dose I guess. I've just been through nightmares with a bipolar and schizoaffective family members as well in the past so I'm real cautious in going a different route, especially just dropping the meds. Finding your cousin under a bridge when she fled the house from going off her meds scared me enough to be real cautious when I hear someone just dropping the meds on their own (not this cousin, another one. Lots of family MI unfortunately). I wish you well.

Im not bi polarbor schizophrenic. Im on depakote for depression, propanolol for anxiety and ambien to sleep. Not drugs fot psichosis

Depakote for depression?

My mistake. I meant lamictal

I believe in the past I was given depakote

 

[NCCommish]

I'm glad people are finding this helpful. I know this is a lonely issue to deal with. No pink ribbons, no telethons and people don't seem to understand. Hopefully we can provide some support and comfort. You aren't alone.

 

[El Floppo]

I'm glad people are finding this helpful. I know this is a lonely issue to deal with. No pink ribbons, no telethons and people don't seem to understand. Hopefully we can provide some support and comfort. You aren't alone.

 

[McGarnicle]

It's interesting that ecstasy was once used in the psychiatric community. It's been banned for obvious reasons, but it has shown potential with PTSD patients in a controlled setting. I'd bet it would be amazing for people with depression too.

 

[randall146]

Ive never had a problem going off meds cold turkey, even benzos. Im the only person ive known that was able to quit heavy narcotic usage with little withdraw besides lethargy and irritability. Im lucky that way.

Some meds in the past have given me side effects, usually sexual and I always stopped them cold turkey against my doctors advice. In the past I had trouble seeing shrinks regularly because of my crappy insurance and even know i only see the doc once a month. I have an appt wednesday and ill tell her my plans.

Like most nutrition they teach dovtors little to npthing about it because there is no profit in it for them.

MC - I know you've been going through this for a long time, but this post has a lot of red flags in it

Stopping prescription MH drugs isn't the same as quitting narcotics cold turkey. You say you've had few if any withdrawal issues but these aren't medications of addiction - they are stabilizers of your brain chemistry. You probably wouldn't even notice the effects of stopping meds, but the effects are real.

I'm a public defender. The majority of my clients have serious mental illnesses and/or addiction issues. One of the biggest barriers to my mentally ill clients' stabilization is their poor judgment in switching, quitting, or inconsistently taking their medications. Inconsistent medication tends to lead to poor judgment, which leads to further inconsistency with medication.

Other red flags are your inconsistency with therapy and your distrust of doctors. And the strangeness of a depakote prescription for depression.

I don't mean to criticize at all. You are clearly a strong person and want to handle this in a strong way. Just concern is all.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Ive never had a problem going off meds cold turkey, even benzos. Im the only person ive known that was able to quit heavy narcotic usage with little withdraw besides lethargy and irritability. Im lucky that way.

Some meds in the past have given me side effects, usually sexual and I always stopped them cold turkey against my doctors advice. In the past I had trouble seeing shrinks regularly because of my crappy insurance and even know i only see the doc once a month. I have an appt wednesday and ill tell her my plans.

Like most nutrition they teach dovtors little to npthing about it because there is no profit in it for them.

MC - I know you've been going through this for a long time, but this post has a lot of red flags in itStopping prescription MH drugs isn't the same as quitting narcotics cold turkey. You say you've had few if any withdrawal issues but these aren't medications of addiction - they are stabilizers of your brain chemistry. You probably wouldn't even notice the effects of stopping meds, but the effects are real.

I'm a public defender. The majority of my clients have serious mental illnesses and/or addiction issues. One of the biggest barriers to my mentally ill clients' stabilization is their poor judgment in switching, quitting, or inconsistently taking their medications. Inconsistent medication tends to lead to poor judgment, which leads to further inconsistency with medication.

Other red flags are your inconsistency with therapy and your distrust of doctors. And the strangeness of a depakote prescription for depression.

I don't mean to criticize at all. You are clearly a strong person and want to handle this in a strong way. Just concern is all.

I didnt take it as criticism.

Nothing has changed with me going on medication or going off, so I dont have any concerns about it. Ive been given a dozen different ones over 3 years and had several misdiagnosis. I was given the depakote for bi-polar but the diagnosis was changed because I dont have mood swings, I never have any ups.

Im thinking about the cognitive therapy because I dont think I have any chemical imbalance which is why meds dont work. This is just what I became being born in to a life of abuse from the start.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I think about it almost everyday but I feel it would be a selfish choice, which would cause irreversible damage to my family.

Not trying to rationalize it, but my thoughts on this were that to call it selfish was unfair. I would think it was pretty selfish of everyone else to think that I should continue to suffer just so they don't have to deal with pain.

 

[McGarnicle]

Ive never had a problem going off meds cold turkey, even benzos. Im the only person ive known that was able to quit heavy narcotic usage with little withdraw besides lethargy and irritability. Im lucky that way.

Some meds in the past have given me side effects, usually sexual and I always stopped them cold turkey against my doctors advice. In the past I had trouble seeing shrinks regularly because of my crappy insurance and even know i only see the doc once a month. I have an appt wednesday and ill tell her my plans.

Like most nutrition they teach dovtors little to npthing about it because there is no profit in it for them.

MC - I know you've been going through this for a long time, but this post has a lot of red flags in itStopping prescription MH drugs isn't the same as quitting narcotics cold turkey. You say you've had few if any withdrawal issues but these aren't medications of addiction - they are stabilizers of your brain chemistry. You probably wouldn't even notice the effects of stopping meds, but the effects are real.

I'm a public defender. The majority of my clients have serious mental illnesses and/or addiction issues. One of the biggest barriers to my mentally ill clients' stabilization is their poor judgment in switching, quitting, or inconsistently taking their medications. Inconsistent medication tends to lead to poor judgment, which leads to further inconsistency with medication.

Other red flags are your inconsistency with therapy and your distrust of doctors. And the strangeness of a depakote prescription for depression.

I don't mean to criticize at all. You are clearly a strong person and want to handle this in a strong way. Just concern is all.

I didnt take it as criticism.

Nothing has changed with me going on medication or going off, so I dont have any concerns about it. Ive been given a dozen different ones over 3 years and had several misdiagnosis. I was given the depakote for bi-polar but the diagnosis was changed because I dont have mood swings, I never have any ups.

Im thinking about the cognitive therapy because I dont think I have any chemical imbalance which is why meds dont work. This is just what I became being born in to a life of abuse from the start.

Maybe listen to some country music?

 

[McGarnicle]

I think about it almost everyday but I feel it would be a selfish choice, which would cause irreversible damage to my family.

Not trying to rationalize it, but my thoughts on this were that to call it selfish was unfair. I would think it was pretty selfish of everyone else to think that I should continue to suffer just so they don't have to deal with pain.

I've been bouncing back and forth between those two opinions since my BIL committed suicide a few weeks ago. I know that none of us could fully comprehend the amount of pain and hopelessness he must have felt to take his own life, but in the aftermath now, my overwhelming feeling is that it was so unnecessary and such a horrible final act and statement. He didn't even leave a note, and he has an amazing 12yo son who is just a wreck now. Not to mention all his siblings who have been worried sick over the past few years, have lent him money, gave him a couch to sleep on when he needed it, took him to rehab, etc. Everyone is left with this sick empty feeling. What I feel more than anything is that his life was "incomplete", if that makes sense. There could have been some really great later chapters, if he managed to stay clean, hold down a job, see his kid graduate high school, etc. But we'll never get to see any of that. It definitely reinforces in my own mind that I could never, ever do that to my family.

 

[Henry Ford]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

DO NOT go off your meds! You may think they aren't working, but most of them if you go off of them, you will feel worse. I know. I went through this with my cousin who thought she was doing fine and with her pcp help, slowly went off the meds. She decided fish oil was the answer. It was a friggin nightmare with how bad she felt and she couldn't function. She had cloudy head, slurred speech, felt like she had the flu, and on it goes. She crashed and became suicidal, went to the psych ward until they could stabilize her.Please do not go off your med without full consultation with your psychiatrist. I don't know what you are on, but if you've been on anything for a decent amount of time, it will be a #####. My cousin lost a year of her life trying to get back to being ok. She's back on those meds that she felt weren't doing anything, but apparently they were.

If there was an easy try this fix, it would be all over the place. But there isn't. Talk to your doctor for sure and do not go off the meds.

Ive never had problems withdrawing from any meds. Ive done it dozens of times. I dont see how a nutrient would matter anyway

It's just ubber safe to not mess with your body chemistry like iodine can but as long as you keep it low dose I guess. I've just been through nightmares with a bipolar and schizoaffective family members as well in the past so I'm real cautious in going a different route, especially just dropping the meds. Finding your cousin under a bridge when she fled the house from going off her meds scared me enough to be real cautious when I hear someone just dropping the meds on their own (not this cousin, another one. Lots of family MI unfortunately). I wish you well.

Im not bi polarbor schizophrenic. Im on depakote for depression, propanolol for anxiety and ambien to sleep. Not drugs fot psichosis

Depakote for depression?

My mistake. I meant lamictal

I believe in the past I was given depakote

Lamictal for non-bipolar depression?

 

[MC Gas Money]

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

Ive been thinking about trying iodine therapy. Supposedly most people are deficient in iodine and iodized salt only has enpugh to prevent goiter.

You put a few drops of it in water every day and drink it and it can vastly improve physical and mental well being. Anyone have experience with this?

If not I think ill pick up some this week and in the future report my experience.

I would caution you to trying to do herbs/ home treatments if you are on meds. Check with your dr before doing anything home remedy thing. It may cause adverse reaction or a side effect which will make your case worse.

Well im going to try it regardless so ill just go off the meds for a while and see how iodine works. Ill just check if it will cause a problem with my ambien because thats the one I cant do without. I dont think iodine will be a probably since its an important nutrient. I will be taking the drops because im not able to eat enough shellfish or seaweed to get high amounts

DO NOT go off your meds! You may think they aren't working, but most of them if you go off of them, you will feel worse. I know. I went through this with my cousin who thought she was doing fine and with her pcp help, slowly went off the meds. She decided fish oil was the answer. It was a friggin nightmare with how bad she felt and she couldn't function. She had cloudy head, slurred speech, felt like she had the flu, and on it goes. She crashed and became suicidal, went to the psych ward until they could stabilize her.Please do not go off your med without full consultation with your psychiatrist. I don't know what you are on, but if you've been on anything for a decent amount of time, it will be a #####. My cousin lost a year of her life trying to get back to being ok. She's back on those meds that she felt weren't doing anything, but apparently they were.

If there was an easy try this fix, it would be all over the place. But there isn't. Talk to your doctor for sure and do not go off the meds.

Ive never had problems withdrawing from any meds. Ive done it dozens of times. I dont see how a nutrient would matter anyway

It's just ubber safe to not mess with your body chemistry like iodine can but as long as you keep it low dose I guess. I've just been through nightmares with a bipolar and schizoaffective family members as well in the past so I'm real cautious in going a different route, especially just dropping the meds. Finding your cousin under a bridge when she fled the house from going off her meds scared me enough to be real cautious when I hear someone just dropping the meds on their own (not this cousin, another one. Lots of family MI unfortunately). I wish you well.

Im not bi polarbor schizophrenic. Im on depakote for depression, propanolol for anxiety and ambien to sleep. Not drugs fot psichosis

Depakote for depression?

My mistake. I meant lamictal

I believe in the past I was given depakote

Lamictal for non-bipolar depression?

It was originally misdiagnosed

 

[Henry Ford]

It was originally misdiagnosed

Why do they still have you on Lamictal if they no longer think you have bipolar disorder? This seems really weird to me. I'm no doctor, but I would suggest to a client who had this going on that he/she get an opinion from another psychiatrist about medication management, given that you don't think it's working.

 

[SeaDogStat]

See FFA FAQ. Rocko's signoff was a variation of gl, peace.

Somehow we got gllll peas.

Pickles knows the tale

The cucumbers know everything!

 

[TheIronSheik]

I think about it almost everyday but I feel it would be a selfish choice, which would cause irreversible damage to my family.

Not trying to rationalize it, but my thoughts on this were that to call it selfish was unfair. I would think it was pretty selfish of everyone else to think that I should continue to suffer just so they don't have to deal with pain.

I've been bouncing back and forth between those two opinions since my BIL committed suicide a few weeks ago. I know that none of us could fully comprehend the amount of pain and hopelessness he must have felt to take his own life, but in the aftermath now, my overwhelming feeling is that it was so unnecessary and such a horrible final act and statement. He didn't even leave a note, and he has an amazing 12yo son who is just a wreck now. Not to mention all his siblings who have been worried sick over the past few years, have lent him money, gave him a couch to sleep on when he needed it, took him to rehab, etc. Everyone is left with this sick empty feeling. What I feel more than anything is that his life was "incomplete", if that makes sense. There could have been some really great later chapters, if he managed to stay clean, hold down a job, see his kid graduate high school, etc. But we'll never get to see any of that. It definitely reinforces in my own mind that I could never, ever do that to my family.

Yeah. I agree with what you're saying totally. I just don't think it's fair to call it selfish. It's a terrible thing. :(

 

[Parmcat]

It was originally misdiagnosed

Why do they still have you on Lamictal if they no longer think you have bipolar disorder? This seems really weird to me. I'm no doctor, but I would suggest to a client who had this going on that he/she get an opinion from another psychiatrist about medication management, given that you don't think it's working.

We use it for Depression often, when other meds have not worked as well as they should have.

It also have a sedative effect for sleep onset

 

[Parmcat]

Ive never had a problem going off meds cold turkey, even benzos. Im the only person ive known that was able to quit heavy narcotic usage with little withdraw besides lethargy and irritability. Im lucky that way.

Some meds in the past have given me side effects, usually sexual and I always stopped them cold turkey against my doctors advice. In the past I had trouble seeing shrinks regularly because of my crappy insurance and even know i only see the doc once a month. I have an appt wednesday and ill tell her my plans.

Like most nutrition they teach dovtors little to npthing about it because there is no profit in it for them.

MC - I know you've been going through this for a long time, but this post has a lot of red flags in itStopping prescription MH drugs isn't the same as quitting narcotics cold turkey. You say you've had few if any withdrawal issues but these aren't medications of addiction - they are stabilizers of your brain chemistry. You probably wouldn't even notice the effects of stopping meds, but the effects are real.

I'm a public defender. The majority of my clients have serious mental illnesses and/or addiction issues. One of the biggest barriers to my mentally ill clients' stabilization is their poor judgment in switching, quitting, or inconsistently taking their medications. Inconsistent medication tends to lead to poor judgment, which leads to further inconsistency with medication.

Other red flags are your inconsistency with therapy and your distrust of doctors. And the strangeness of a depakote prescription for depression.

I don't mean to criticize at all. You are clearly a strong person and want to handle this in a strong way. Just concern is all.

I didnt take it as criticism.

Nothing has changed with me going on medication or going off, so I dont have any concerns about it. Ive been given a dozen different ones over 3 years and had several misdiagnosis. I was given the depakote for bi-polar but the diagnosis was changed because I dont have mood swings, I never have any ups.

Im thinking about the cognitive therapy because I dont think I have any chemical imbalance which is why meds dont work. This is just what I became being born in to a life of abuse from the start.

This is the big flag for me. It sounds like there is a greater underlying issue here. Something that maybe should be explored with the right therapist. It is quite possible that you have a major depression caused by trauma? PTSD is also a major trigger for depression, and the trigger should be explored as hard as the issue.

This may not be the place to discuss, but it is something to ponder

 

[McGarnicle]

I think about it almost everyday but I feel it would be a selfish choice, which would cause irreversible damage to my family.

Not trying to rationalize it, but my thoughts on this were that to call it selfish was unfair. I would think it was pretty selfish of everyone else to think that I should continue to suffer just so they don't have to deal with pain.

I've been bouncing back and forth between those two opinions since my BIL committed suicide a few weeks ago. I know that none of us could fully comprehend the amount of pain and hopelessness he must have felt to take his own life, but in the aftermath now, my overwhelming feeling is that it was so unnecessary and such a horrible final act and statement. He didn't even leave a note, and he has an amazing 12yo son who is just a wreck now. Not to mention all his siblings who have been worried sick over the past few years, have lent him money, gave him a couch to sleep on when he needed it, took him to rehab, etc. Everyone is left with this sick empty feeling. What I feel more than anything is that his life was "incomplete", if that makes sense. There could have been some really great later chapters, if he managed to stay clean, hold down a job, see his kid graduate high school, etc. But we'll never get to see any of that. It definitely reinforces in my own mind that I could never, ever do that to my family.

Yeah. I agree with what you're saying totally. I just don't think it's fair to call it selfish. It's a terrible thing. :(

Definitely.

The frustrating part is that he was on a really good path over the past year -- made it through rehab, was 100% clean by all accounts, and was working. Unfortunately he made one really bad decision for someone in recovery -- he got into a serious relationship really quickly, and she also had a history with drugs and was a manipulative beeyotch. It seems like most of his issues lately were because of her. If he could have just gotten his own place, focused on work, his son and his meetings, I'm sure he'd still be here. That's not to scapegoat her. He made the decision to get involved with her.

Seems like opiate addiction in particular just drives people to dance with death more than any other. Either intentional or unintentional ODs, suicide, or getting involved with really unsavory people. It's pretty devastating to hear my in laws talk about what a kind and loving person he used to be. :(

 

[Henry Ford]

It was originally misdiagnosed

Why do they still have you on Lamictal if they no longer think you have bipolar disorder? This seems really weird to me. I'm no doctor, but I would suggest to a client who had this going on that he/she get an opinion from another psychiatrist about medication management, given that you don't think it's working.

We use it for Depression often, when other meds have not worked as well as they should have.

It also have a sedative effect for sleep onset

That's very surprising to me.

 

[krista4]

It's interesting that ecstasy was once used in the psychiatric community. It's been banned for obvious reasons, but it has shown potential with PTSD patients in a controlled setting. I'd bet it would be amazing for people with depression too.

The come-down from ecstasy can be horrible; think it would exacerbate depression on that end.

 

[TheIronSheik]

It's interesting that ecstasy was once used in the psychiatric community. It's been banned for obvious reasons, but it has shown potential with PTSD patients in a controlled setting. I'd bet it would be amazing for people with depression too.

The come-down from ecstasy can be horrible; think it would exacerbate depression on that end.

Agreed. When I was taking that stuff on a regular basis, I was not in a depressed state, yet I felt depressed after taking it. I always thought "Thank God I'm not REALLY depressed."

 

[krista4]

I think about it almost everyday but I feel it would be a selfish choice, which would cause irreversible damage to my family.

Not trying to rationalize it, but my thoughts on this were that to call it selfish was unfair. I would think it was pretty selfish of everyone else to think that I should continue to suffer just so they don't have to deal with pain.

I've been bouncing back and forth between those two opinions since my BIL committed suicide a few weeks ago. I know that none of us could fully comprehend the amount of pain and hopelessness he must have felt to take his own life, but in the aftermath now, my overwhelming feeling is that it was so unnecessary and such a horrible final act and statement. He didn't even leave a note, and he has an amazing 12yo son who is just a wreck now. Not to mention all his siblings who have been worried sick over the past few years, have lent him money, gave him a couch to sleep on when he needed it, took him to rehab, etc. Everyone is left with this sick empty feeling. What I feel more than anything is that his life was "incomplete", if that makes sense. There could have been some really great later chapters, if he managed to stay clean, hold down a job, see his kid graduate high school, etc. But we'll never get to see any of that. It definitely reinforces in my own mind that I could never, ever do that to my family.

Yeah. I agree with what you're saying totally. I just don't think it's fair to call it selfish. It's a terrible thing. :(

This kind of ties in with something that was really bothering me a couple of nights ago. In another thread for some reason suicide came up, and there was a poster whom I like but who went on an angry tirade about how suicide is selfish, etc. He had an uncle who attempted suicide, and after that the poster has never spoken to the uncle again and still carries this huge anger around about it.

I just don't understand why suicide or an attempt at it inspires these feelings of anger in anyone. I understand stages of grief, of course, and know that people might go through an anger stage, but you see in posts here in various threads people making these angry statements about people being selfish, cowards, etc. for attempting suicide. Truly I don't get it. I've never felt an ounce more anger at my grandmother for committing suicide than I have at my dad for dying of cancer. Depression and cancer are both diseases. Why do people have such anger over depression?

 

[McGarnicle]

It's interesting that ecstasy was once used in the psychiatric community. It's been banned for obvious reasons, but it has shown potential with PTSD patients in a controlled setting. I'd bet it would be amazing for people with depression too.

The come-down from ecstasy can be horrible; think it would exacerbate depression on that end.

Well duh, that's why God made cocaine.

 

[krista4]

It's interesting that ecstasy was once used in the psychiatric community. It's been banned for obvious reasons, but it has shown potential with PTSD patients in a controlled setting. I'd bet it would be amazing for people with depression too.

The come-down from ecstasy can be horrible; think it would exacerbate depression on that end.

Well duh, that's why God made cocaine.

I'm told that other people have had the exact same experience Sheik described.

 

[McGarnicle]

I think about it almost everyday but I feel it would be a selfish choice, which would cause irreversible damage to my family.

Not trying to rationalize it, but my thoughts on this were that to call it selfish was unfair. I would think it was pretty selfish of everyone else to think that I should continue to suffer just so they don't have to deal with pain.

I've been bouncing back and forth between those two opinions since my BIL committed suicide a few weeks ago. I know that none of us could fully comprehend the amount of pain and hopelessness he must have felt to take his own life, but in the aftermath now, my overwhelming feeling is that it was so unnecessary and such a horrible final act and statement. He didn't even leave a note, and he has an amazing 12yo son who is just a wreck now. Not to mention all his siblings who have been worried sick over the past few years, have lent him money, gave him a couch to sleep on when he needed it, took him to rehab, etc. Everyone is left with this sick empty feeling. What I feel more than anything is that his life was "incomplete", if that makes sense. There could have been some really great later chapters, if he managed to stay clean, hold down a job, see his kid graduate high school, etc. But we'll never get to see any of that. It definitely reinforces in my own mind that I could never, ever do that to my family.

Yeah. I agree with what you're saying totally. I just don't think it's fair to call it selfish. It's a terrible thing. :(

This kind of ties in with something that was really bothering me a couple of nights ago. In another thread for some reason suicide came up, and there was a poster whom I like but who went on an angry tirade about how suicide is selfish, etc. He had an uncle who attempted suicide, and after that the poster has never spoken to the uncle again and still carries this huge anger around about it.

I just don't understand why suicide or an attempt at it inspires these feelings of anger in anyone. I understand stages of grief, of course, and know that people might go through an anger stage, but you see in posts here in various threads people making these angry statements about people being selfish, cowards, etc. for attempting suicide. Truly I don't get it. I've never felt an ounce more anger at my grandmother for committing suicide than I have at my dad for dying of cancer. Depression and cancer are both diseases. Why do people have such anger over depression?

I get what you're saying but I can see why people feel anger. It can feel like an abandonment and an easy way out. It's difficult to comprehend the pain someone is feeling that would drive them to take their own life if you've never been there. And most of us have never been that low, since we're still here.

I'm glad my wife seems to be processing it mostly in a healthy way and hasn't expressed any anger in the slightest. She has one immature sister who is not taking it nearly as well.

 

[krista4]

Oh yes, to be clear, it seems from your posts that you're handling things very well, and I'm glad to hear your wife is, too.

What I find particularly strange is posts here that people will make about folks they don't even know, expressing anger in this way. It's not grief-related. Maybe it's just internet tough-guy syndrome more than anything, but there does seem to be this swirl of anger when suicide is mentioned.

I can't imagine the pain a person has to be in to try to end his/her own life, so all I can feel for them is sorrow, not anger.

 

[MC Gas Money]

It was originally misdiagnosed

Why do they still have you on Lamictal if they no longer think you have bipolar disorder? This seems really weird to me. I'm no doctor, but I would suggest to a client who had this going on that he/she get an opinion from another psychiatrist about medication management, given that you don't think it's working.

There is no other shrink within 20 miles that takes my insurance. She rempved the bi polar diagnosis. I started feeling better for a few months and then got worse and we discussed taking me off lamictal

 

[TheIronSheik]

It was originally misdiagnosed

Why do they still have you on Lamictal if they no longer think you have bipolar disorder? This seems really weird to me. I'm no doctor, but I would suggest to a client who had this going on that he/she get an opinion from another psychiatrist about medication management, given that you don't think it's working.

There is no other shrink within 20 miles that takes my insurance. She rempved the bi polar diagnosis. I started feeling better for a few months and then got worse and we discussed taking me off lamictal

You live in NYC and there's only one possible doctor you can see?

 

[Henry Ford]

It was originally misdiagnosed

Why do they still have you on Lamictal if they no longer think you have bipolar disorder? This seems really weird to me. I'm no doctor, but I would suggest to a client who had this going on that he/she get an opinion from another psychiatrist about medication management, given that you don't think it's working.

There is no other shrink within 20 miles that takes my insurance. She rempved the bi polar diagnosis. I started feeling better for a few months and then got worse and we discussed taking me off lamictal

Sounds to me like getting onto a more effective antidepressant might be a good idea, and that she's on board with it. Are you going to give that a shot?

 

[CurlyNight]

Ive never had a problem going off meds cold turkey, even benzos. Im the only person ive known that was able to quit heavy narcotic usage with little withdraw besides lethargy and irritability. Im lucky that way.

Some meds in the past have given me side effects, usually sexual and I always stopped them cold turkey against my doctors advice. In the past I had trouble seeing shrinks regularly because of my crappy insurance and even know i only see the doc once a month. I have an appt wednesday and ill tell her my plans.

Like most nutrition they teach dovtors little to npthing about it because there is no profit in it for them.

MC - I know you've been going through this for a long time, but this post has a lot of red flags in itStopping prescription MH drugs isn't the same as quitting narcotics cold turkey. You say you've had few if any withdrawal issues but these aren't medications of addiction - they are stabilizers of your brain chemistry. You probably wouldn't even notice the effects of stopping meds, but the effects are real.

I'm a public defender. The majority of my clients have serious mental illnesses and/or addiction issues. One of the biggest barriers to my mentally ill clients' stabilization is their poor judgment in switching, quitting, or inconsistently taking their medications. Inconsistent medication tends to lead to poor judgment, which leads to further inconsistency with medication.

Other red flags are your inconsistency with therapy and your distrust of doctors. And the strangeness of a depakote prescription for depression.

I don't mean to criticize at all. You are clearly a strong person and want to handle this in a strong way. Just concern is all.

I didnt take it as criticism.

Nothing has changed with me going on medication or going off, so I dont have any concerns about it. Ive been given a dozen different ones over 3 years and had several misdiagnosis. I was given the depakote for bi-polar but the diagnosis was changed because I dont have mood swings, I never have any ups.

Im thinking about the cognitive therapy because I dont think I have any chemical imbalance which is why meds dont work. This is just what I became being born in to a life of abuse from the start.

I really think CBT will benefit you. When my cousin was hospitalized with severe anxiety and depression, it was mandatory once she was stabilized to attend group therapy on this. OMG she was so resistant and scared, didn't want people to see her talk, didn't want to talk. But after a couple of sessions, she began participating. I think everyone with major depression should go through it. They key is with all therapy is to practice it. It's hard. I pulled out her notebook from that time and she simply can't do it right now. Fell off the wagon and can't get back on so we are back to severe stage.