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Super Bowl XX rematch -- Pats vs. Bears (1 Viewer)

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Where does the time go... :goodposting:

The '85 Bears are still the best team I've seen in my lifetime. I'm thinking the outcome will be slightly different this time.

N.E. 27

CHI 16

But it would be fun if Chicago lets Anthony Adams score from 1 yard out.

While not letting Forte score a TD, of course. :shrug: ... (The older guys know what I mean.)

 
Where does the time go... :excited:

The '85 Bears are still the best team I've seen in my lifetime. I'm thinking the outcome will be slightly different this time.

N.E. 27

CHI 16

But it would be fun if Chicago lets Anthony Adams score from 1 yard out.

While not letting Forte score a TD, of course. :lmao: ... (The older guys know what I mean.)
And it will be even longer
 
I like the Forte comment...not sure what is funnier; that Forte could not hold the tag on Payton's jock, or that he is turning out to be the best since Walter.

Would be very cool if there was a rematch. I vividly remember that game; I was playing a squirt ice hockey game, and we kept asking the coach about the score...he had enough and freaked out and the requisite "fat kid" on the team said, "But coach, the Fridge is my favorite player"...we just all busted out laughing, including the coach.

 
O/U on how many INT's Cutler will throw is 3.5
I'll take the under.
:thumbup: Since he's thrown less than that in the last 5 games...combined....and NE's pass defense is 31st in passing yards allowed. This isn't 2005. NE is also 19th in points allowed per game. I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
 
I was playing a squirt ice hockey game, and we kept asking the coach about the score...
Pats got off to a 3-0 lead. The upset was underway.Then the Bears went on a 44-0 run.
Didn't they hang 44 points on Dallas that same season? They were also undefeated through the majority of that season, until Dan Marino took them out. One of the most dominant defences of all time -- 11 games where they held opponents to 10 points or less.This may not be the first Super Bowl I remember (that would be the Raiders' wildcard win over the Eagles, cementing my love for the Silver & Black), but definitely the first one I have detailed memories of the whole game through.As for Payton, was definitely a shame that he was so ineffective in the biggest game of his career, but the whole defensive gameplan was geared towards containing him. He was also stuffed a few times inside the 10, and just wasn't getting it done. A big reason why McMahon and the Fridge had their numbers called that day was because those plays created the variability on the ground that the NE D just didn't prepare for as well as they did against stopping Payton.
 
I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
EXHIBIT A:Outside New England Game, Pittsburgh allowed 13.8 Points Per Game and never more than 22 points.

New England Posted 39 Points on them (3x their average) IN PITTSBURGH.

Outside the Pats game, Pittsburgh is allowing UNDER ONE PASSING TD per game. NE had 3.

EXHIBIT B:

Outside the New England Game, New York allowed 17 Points Per Game and never more than 27 points.

New England Posted 45 Points on them (just under 3x their average)

Outside the Pats game, New York was allowing one Rush TD every two games. NE had 2.

The second half of the season has shown a New England squad that is firing on all cylinders.

The Pats will find the Bears weakness... then they will exploit it and blow them up from the inside.

 
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I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
EXHIBIT A:Outside New England Game, Pittsburgh was allowing 13.8 Points Per Game

New England Posted 39 Points on them (3x their average) IN PITTSBURGH.

Outside the Pats game, Pittsburgh is allowing UNDER ONE PASSING TD per game. NE had 3.

EXHIBIT B:

Outside the New England Game, New York was allowing 17 Points Per Game

New England Posted 45 Points on them (just under 3x their average)

Outside the Pats game, New York was allowing one Rush TD every two games. NE had 2.

The second half of the season has shown a New England squad that is firing on all cylinders.

The Pats will find the Bears weakness... then they will exploit it and blow them up from the inside.
...it's a small thermal exhaust port, just below the main port. It's not much bigger than 2 meters. HTH.
 
Chicago & GB have the QBs and passing game to go after NE where they are weakest and I expect both games to be very difficult.

 
Chicago & GB have the QBs and passing game to go after NE where they are weakest and I expect both games to be very difficult.
No doubt. Just was addressing the "We have a stout defense so you won't score much on us" argument :confused:IMO we're looking at NE 30 CHI 23 or something along those lines.
 
The score could be the same, but the good guys lose this time. :confused:
Given the weather, I'll take the Bears plus the 36. :lmao:
The Pats play their fair share of games in inclement weather, so I think they'll be prepared. But Sunday's forecast is getting nuttier by the minute. Potential for 40 mph winds, snow and a high in the low-20s. If that holds up—or gets worse—both teams will be noticeably effected. It should be a great game. I will be ecstatic if the Bears can pull off the win.
 
The score could be the same, but the good guys lose this time. :lmao:
Given the weather, I'll take the Bears plus the 36. :lmao:
The Pats play their fair share of games in inclement weather, so I think they'll be prepared. But Sunday's forecast is getting nuttier by the minute. Potential for 40 mph winds, snow and a high in the low-20s. If that holds up—or gets worse—both teams will be noticeably effected. It should be a great game. I will be ecstatic if the Bears can pull off the win.
:confused: Especially because on the slim chance the Bears do eek out a win at home, the Pats will be PO'd going back to Foxboro for next week's home mathcup in NE with the Packers. The Patriots record after a loss under BB? 25-2. It'd be almost like winning twice. :thumbup: If the Bears win this weekend, it's time to start printing the NFC North Championship Banners.
 
I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
EXHIBIT A:Outside New England Game, Pittsburgh was allowing 13.8 Points Per Game

New England Posted 39 Points on them (3x their average) IN PITTSBURGH.

Outside the Pats game, Pittsburgh is allowing UNDER ONE PASSING TD per game. NE had 3.

EXHIBIT B:

Outside the New England Game, New York was allowing 17 Points Per Game

New England Posted 45 Points on them (just under 3x their average)

Outside the Pats game, New York was allowing one Rush TD every two games. NE had 2.

The second half of the season has shown a New England squad that is firing on all cylinders.

The Pats will find the Bears weakness... then they will exploit it and blow them up from the inside.
...it's a small thermal exhaust port, just below the main port. It's not much bigger than 2 meters. HTH.
:thumbup:
 
O/U on how many INT's Cutler will throw is 3.5
I'll take the under.
:thumbup: Since he's thrown less than that in the last 5 games...combined....and NE's pass defense is 31st in passing yards allowed. This isn't 2005. NE is also 19th in points allowed per game.

I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
They're second in interceptions.
 
O/U on how many INT's Cutler will throw is 3.5
I'll take the under.
:lmao: Since he's thrown less than that in the last 5 games...combined....and NE's pass defense is 31st in passing yards allowed. This isn't 2005. NE is also 19th in points allowed per game.

I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
They're second in interceptions.
Correct. Not only does NE have the 2nd most INTs in the league... but the lead the league (by a pretty good margin) in yards after interceptions. New England's real weakness at Defense is the do not force any fumbles (32nd in NFL), They don't get many sacks (T24th in NFL), and they allow quite a few points (31/game). The PPG argument is somewhat distorted though, as NE has played one of the, if not the, toughest schedules (with regards to facing offensive juggernauts) in the league.

 
O/U on how many INT's Cutler will throw is 3.5
I'll take the under.
:goodposting: Since he's thrown less than that in the last 5 games...combined....and NE's pass defense is 31st in passing yards allowed. This isn't 2005. NE is also 19th in points allowed per game.

I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
They're second in interceptions.
Second...behind the Eagles. Cutler's stat line against the Eagles 2 weeks ago: 14-21 for 247 yards 4 TDs and 0 INTs.I think I'll still take the under of 3.5 picks.

Incidentally, NE is also 19th in rushing yards allowed. Given that, the expected weather, and the Bears need to keep the ball ut of Brady's hands, I think you could see a similar number of passing attempts this Sunday (i.e. the Bears will have a balanced attack - possibly even run more than pass).

 
O/U on how many INT's Cutler will throw is 3.5
I'll take the under.
:goodposting: Since he's thrown less than that in the last 5 games...combined....and NE's pass defense is 31st in passing yards allowed. This isn't 2005. NE is also 19th in points allowed per game.

I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
They're second in interceptions.
Second...behind the Eagles. Cutler's stat line against the Eagles 2 weeks ago: 14-21 for 247 yards 4 TDs and 0 INTs.I think I'll still take the under of 3.5 picks.

Incidentally, NE is also 19th in rushing yards allowed. Given that, the expected weather, and the Bears need to keep the ball ut of Brady's hands, I think you could see a similar number of passing attempts this Sunday (i.e. the Bears will have a balanced attack - possibly even run more than pass).
:own3d: This isn't the same Bears offense from early in the season. Martz genuinely has seemed to dialed back the passing a little bit and has leaned slightly more on the running game. I think everyone on the team realizes how great this defense is and this team can go far as long as the offense plays average, if unspectacular football and doesn't turn the ball over and put the D in a bad position (this should sound familiar to Bears fans).

 
Second...behind the Eagles. Cutler's stat line against the Eagles 2 weeks ago: 14-21 for 247 yards 4 TDs and 0 INTs.

I think I'll still take the under of 3.5 picks.

Incidentally, NE is also 19th in rushing yards allowed. Given that, the expected weather, and the Bears need to keep the ball ut of Brady's hands, I think you could see a similar number of passing attempts this Sunday (i.e. the Bears will have a balanced attack - possibly even run more than pass).
:own3d:
How is that owning anyone? Does the transitive property carry over to NFL matchups now? Cutler gave up 4 interceptions to the Redskins, who currently rank 16th in the category. Does that mean he'll throw a baker's dozen to the Patriots this week?Their passing yards allowed ranking was brought up to dispute the claim that Cutler would throw plenty of interceptions. It was then pointed out that they actually rank second in interceptions. The fact that the Eagles didn't intercept Cutler doesn't make the original argument less flawed.

It's also a bit disingenuous to ignore that Asante Samuel didn't play against the Bears, which makes the Eagles' pass defense far less fearsome.

:shrug:

 
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I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
EXHIBIT A:Outside New England Game, Pittsburgh allowed 13.8 Points Per Game and never more than 22 points.

New England Posted 39 Points on them (3x their average) IN PITTSBURGH.

Outside the Pats game, Pittsburgh is allowing UNDER ONE PASSING TD per game. NE had 3.

EXHIBIT B:

Outside the New England Game, New York allowed 17 Points Per Game and never more than 27 points.

New England Posted 45 Points on them (just under 3x their average)

Outside the Pats game, New York was allowing one Rush TD every two games. NE had 2.

The second half of the season has shown a New England squad that is firing on all cylinders.

The Pats will find the Bears weakness... then they will exploit it and blow them up from the inside.
In 2001-2006, the Pats weren't loaded on offense so they relied heavily on good gameplans that exploited weaknesses in each opponent and balanced playcalling that kept opponents always guessing. In 2007, the Pats got cocky with their high-powered spread offense and basically announced to the league, "This is what we're running, we dare you to stop it." Granted they were exceptionally talented, but the coaching got away from well-tailored gameplans to exploit each opponent; dare I say they got a bit lazy and complacent. In 2009, this philosophy continued with lesser talent and much lesser results as the Pats blew more 2nd-half leads than they had every other year under BB combined, particularly on the road. The Pats spread was figured out...only the Pats hadn't caught on.To start 2010, the Pats were kind of schitzo in their gameplans, even within the same games: They played a good and balanced games overall vs. Cincy and Buffalo, played good 2nd halves vs. San Diego and Baltimore, got their spread stuffed in NY, then got dismantled in Cleveland. Something finally clicked after the Cleveland game and the offense became fully committed to exploiting the opponents weaknesses and avoiding predictable play calling. The Steelers victory was a gameplanning masterpiece as was the Jets MNF game, the first 3 quarters of the Colts game and the 2nd half of the Lions game (on short rest). The raw firepower may not equal the '07 offense, but combined with the superior playcalling this year's offense is getting the '10 offense is better at this point in the season.

The Pats are a matchup nightmare and the keys are the TEs. With two TEs on the field, the D has to be wary of going nickel or else will be gashed by the running game. Also, the safeties have to respect the run with the heavy set. Yet Gronk and Hernandez are excellent pass-catchers who are difficult to cover with LBs so the Pats have a mismatch when throwing to those two, especially on play-action. Their pass-catching ability also forces safeties to cover the middle, giving Welker and Branch room to get open. When the Pats are in pure-passing situations, jamming WRs and blitzing Brady (worked great in 2009 in those road losses) rarely works as the Pats have rediscovered their outlet game to their RBs as Woodhead has proven to be an excellent replacement for Faulk and even BJGE has had his moments catching out of the backfield.

Despite the great play over the last four games, only two were on the road and in one of them (Detroit) the offense took one half to really get rolling. Road games against winning teams are never an easy win, so I suspect Chicago will have some success stopping the Pats on several drives. The key is will they stop them on enough drives.

 
I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
EXHIBIT A:Outside New England Game, Pittsburgh allowed 13.8 Points Per Game and never more than 22 points.

New England Posted 39 Points on them (3x their average) IN PITTSBURGH.

Outside the Pats game, Pittsburgh is allowing UNDER ONE PASSING TD per game. NE had 3.

EXHIBIT B:

Outside the New England Game, New York allowed 17 Points Per Game and never more than 27 points.

New England Posted 45 Points on them (just under 3x their average)

Outside the Pats game, New York was allowing one Rush TD every two games. NE had 2.

The second half of the season has shown a New England squad that is firing on all cylinders.

The Pats will find the Bears weakness... then they will exploit it and blow them up from the inside.
In 2001-2006, the Pats weren't loaded on offense so they relied heavily on good gameplans that exploited weaknesses in each opponent and balanced playcalling that kept opponents always guessing. In 2007, the Pats got cocky with their high-powered spread offense and basically announced to the league, "This is what we're running, we dare you to stop it." Granted they were exceptionally talented, but the coaching got away from well-tailored gameplans to exploit each opponent; dare I say they got a bit lazy and complacent. In 2009, this philosophy continued with lesser talent and much lesser results as the Pats blew more 2nd-half leads than they had every other year under BB combined, particularly on the road. The Pats spread was figured out...only the Pats hadn't caught on.To start 2010, the Pats were kind of schitzo in their gameplans, even within the same games: They played a good and balanced games overall vs. Cincy and Buffalo, played good 2nd halves vs. San Diego and Baltimore, got their spread stuffed in NY, then got dismantled in Cleveland. Something finally clicked after the Cleveland game and the offense became fully committed to exploiting the opponents weaknesses and avoiding predictable play calling. The Steelers victory was a gameplanning masterpiece as was the Jets MNF game, the first 3 quarters of the Colts game and the 2nd half of the Lions game (on short rest). The raw firepower may not equal the '07 offense, but combined with the superior playcalling this year's offense is getting the '10 offense is better at this point in the season.

The Pats are a matchup nightmare and the keys are the TEs. With two TEs on the field, the D has to be wary of going nickel or else will be gashed by the running game. Also, the safeties have to respect the run with the heavy set. Yet Gronk and Hernandez are excellent pass-catchers who are difficult to cover with LBs so the Pats have a mismatch when throwing to those two, especially on play-action. Their pass-catching ability also forces safeties to cover the middle, giving Welker and Branch room to get open. When the Pats are in pure-passing situations, jamming WRs and blitzing Brady (worked great in 2009 in those road losses) rarely works as the Pats have rediscovered their outlet game to their RBs as Woodhead has proven to be an excellent replacement for Faulk and even BJGE has had his moments catching out of the backfield.

Despite the great play over the last four games, only two were on the road and in one of them (Detroit) the offense took one half to really get rolling. Road games against winning teams are never an easy win, so I suspect Chicago will have some success stopping the Pats on several drives. The key is will they stop them on enough drives.
Excellent points all. I would, from the Bears perspective, add a few counter points. While I agree that 2 TE sets and two very good pass-catching TEs typically provide matchup issues, Briggs and Urlacher are two of the best (and fastest) TEs in the business. The Jets are horrible at covering TEs. Secondly, with the weather (30+ mph winds and rain/snow) I think Brady will find going down the field to be less reliable than usual (and the Bears corners are no slouches).In terms of blitzing, the Bears simply dont do it much. With Peppers, Tommy Harris, Melton, Idonije, Toeina and other D-linemen, they simply haven't had to much - and have still been able to generate decent pressure. They are middle of the pack in terms of sacks, but 2nd in opposing QB ratings against them and are the NFL's best when it comes to yards per completion at 6.2. Also, while it's true that the Pats are 2nd in the league in defensive INTs, the Bears are just two behind them with 16. And before someone points out that Brady has thrown a pick in the last 200+ attempts, Vick hadn't thrown one all season either...until he did against the Bears. Bad weather wont help the Patriots passing game either. The Bears are also 2nd best in rushing yards against as well, so the NE offense might find it a little bit more difficult to move the ball than they have been used to.

The injuries at OLB with both Tinoisamoa and Roach banged up after this last game, might hurt a little, but Roach expects to play, so the SAM LB should be fine.

This game should be a very good one. I am not predicting a NE loss - just pointing out some reasons why a NE win is hardly a given.

 
I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
EXHIBIT A:Outside New England Game, Pittsburgh allowed 13.8 Points Per Game and never more than 22 points.

New England Posted 39 Points on them (3x their average) IN PITTSBURGH.

Outside the Pats game, Pittsburgh is allowing UNDER ONE PASSING TD per game. NE had 3.

EXHIBIT B:

Outside the New England Game, New York allowed 17 Points Per Game and never more than 27 points.

New England Posted 45 Points on them (just under 3x their average)

Outside the Pats game, New York was allowing one Rush TD every two games. NE had 2.

The second half of the season has shown a New England squad that is firing on all cylinders.

The Pats will find the Bears weakness... then they will exploit it and blow them up from the inside.
In 2001-2006, the Pats weren't loaded on offense so they relied heavily on good gameplans that exploited weaknesses in each opponent and balanced playcalling that kept opponents always guessing. In 2007, the Pats got cocky with their high-powered spread offense and basically announced to the league, "This is what we're running, we dare you to stop it." Granted they were exceptionally talented, but the coaching got away from well-tailored gameplans to exploit each opponent; dare I say they got a bit lazy and complacent. In 2009, this philosophy continued with lesser talent and much lesser results as the Pats blew more 2nd-half leads than they had every other year under BB combined, particularly on the road. The Pats spread was figured out...only the Pats hadn't caught on.To start 2010, the Pats were kind of schitzo in their gameplans, even within the same games: They played a good and balanced games overall vs. Cincy and Buffalo, played good 2nd halves vs. San Diego and Baltimore, got their spread stuffed in NY, then got dismantled in Cleveland. Something finally clicked after the Cleveland game and the offense became fully committed to exploiting the opponents weaknesses and avoiding predictable play calling. The Steelers victory was a gameplanning masterpiece as was the Jets MNF game, the first 3 quarters of the Colts game and the 2nd half of the Lions game (on short rest). The raw firepower may not equal the '07 offense, but combined with the superior playcalling this year's offense is getting the '10 offense is better at this point in the season.

The Pats are a matchup nightmare and the keys are the TEs. With two TEs on the field, the D has to be wary of going nickel or else will be gashed by the running game. Also, the safeties have to respect the run with the heavy set. Yet Gronk and Hernandez are excellent pass-catchers who are difficult to cover with LBs so the Pats have a mismatch when throwing to those two, especially on play-action. Their pass-catching ability also forces safeties to cover the middle, giving Welker and Branch room to get open. When the Pats are in pure-passing situations, jamming WRs and blitzing Brady (worked great in 2009 in those road losses) rarely works as the Pats have rediscovered their outlet game to their RBs as Woodhead has proven to be an excellent replacement for Faulk and even BJGE has had his moments catching out of the backfield.

Despite the great play over the last four games, only two were on the road and in one of them (Detroit) the offense took one half to really get rolling. Road games against winning teams are never an easy win, so I suspect Chicago will have some success stopping the Pats on several drives. The key is will they stop them on enough drives.
Excellent points all. I would, from the Bears perspective, add a few counter points. While I agree that 2 TE sets and two very good pass-catching TEs typically provide matchup issues, Briggs and Urlacher are two of the best (and fastest) TEs in the business. The Jets are horrible at covering TEs. Secondly, with the weather (30+ mph winds and rain/snow) I think Brady will find going down the field to be less reliable than usual (and the Bears corners are no slouches).In terms of blitzing, the Bears simply dont do it much. With Peppers, Tommy Harris, Melton, Idonije, Toeina and other D-linemen, they simply haven't had to much - and have still been able to generate decent pressure. They are middle of the pack in terms of sacks, but 2nd in opposing QB ratings against them and are the NFL's best when it comes to yards per completion at 6.2. Also, while it's true that the Pats are 2nd in the league in defensive INTs, the Bears are just two behind them with 16. And before someone points out that Brady has thrown a pick in the last 200+ attempts, Vick hadn't thrown one all season either...until he did against the Bears. Bad weather wont help the Patriots passing game either. The Bears are also 2nd best in rushing yards against as well, so the NE offense might find it a little bit more difficult to move the ball than they have been used to.

The injuries at OLB with both Tinoisamoa and Roach banged up after this last game, might hurt a little, but Roach expects to play, so the SAM LB should be fine.

This game should be a very good one. I am not predicting a NE loss - just pointing out some reasons why a NE win is hardly a given.
Many good points, and I would like to add a few comments as well. First, I do not think most Pats fans (the rational ones anyway) expect an "easy" game against the Bears. The Bears are obviously a very good team and they have an excellent defense, so most of us are expecting a dog fight.The bad weather should be an interesting factor, my initial thought going into the game was that Chi has the def and the passing game to hurt NE where they are weakest. However, if indeed the weather is that horrendous, I am not so sure it is a significant advantage for Chi since pass defense is NEs biggest weakness. If nether team can throw the ball down the field I think that actually might favor NE, particularly if they can still throw the short pass.

Both teams can run the ball ok, NEs run defense has been decent most of the year, but obviously they are not on par with Chi.

NEs special teams has been a little spotty lately and that could make a big difference with Hester and Chi having the edge there.

It could come down to which team and which QB handles the elements best. I think Brady as shown he is a good bad weather qb; I am not sure about Cutlers track record? Maybe someone else knows.

I expect it to be a tuff, tuff game :rolleyes:

 
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I think the far more interesting story line is a NE offense that is averaging 32 points per game against a Bears defense that is only allowing 16 points per game - and hasn't given up more than 26 yet this season.
EXHIBIT A:Outside New England Game, Pittsburgh allowed 13.8 Points Per Game and never more than 22 points.

New England Posted 39 Points on them (3x their average) IN PITTSBURGH.

Outside the Pats game, Pittsburgh is allowing UNDER ONE PASSING TD per game. NE had 3.

EXHIBIT B:

Outside the New England Game, New York allowed 17 Points Per Game and never more than 27 points.

New England Posted 45 Points on them (just under 3x their average)

Outside the Pats game, New York was allowing one Rush TD every two games. NE had 2.

The second half of the season has shown a New England squad that is firing on all cylinders.

The Pats will find the Bears weakness... then they will exploit it and blow them up from the inside.
In 2001-2006, the Pats weren't loaded on offense so they relied heavily on good gameplans that exploited weaknesses in each opponent and balanced playcalling that kept opponents always guessing. In 2007, the Pats got cocky with their high-powered spread offense and basically announced to the league, "This is what we're running, we dare you to stop it." Granted they were exceptionally talented, but the coaching got away from well-tailored gameplans to exploit each opponent; dare I say they got a bit lazy and complacent. In 2009, this philosophy continued with lesser talent and much lesser results as the Pats blew more 2nd-half leads than they had every other year under BB combined, particularly on the road. The Pats spread was figured out...only the Pats hadn't caught on.To start 2010, the Pats were kind of schitzo in their gameplans, even within the same games: They played a good and balanced games overall vs. Cincy and Buffalo, played good 2nd halves vs. San Diego and Baltimore, got their spread stuffed in NY, then got dismantled in Cleveland. Something finally clicked after the Cleveland game and the offense became fully committed to exploiting the opponents weaknesses and avoiding predictable play calling. The Steelers victory was a gameplanning masterpiece as was the Jets MNF game, the first 3 quarters of the Colts game and the 2nd half of the Lions game (on short rest). The raw firepower may not equal the '07 offense, but combined with the superior playcalling this year's offense is getting the '10 offense is better at this point in the season.

The Pats are a matchup nightmare and the keys are the TEs. With two TEs on the field, the D has to be wary of going nickel or else will be gashed by the running game. Also, the safeties have to respect the run with the heavy set. Yet Gronk and Hernandez are excellent pass-catchers who are difficult to cover with LBs so the Pats have a mismatch when throwing to those two, especially on play-action. Their pass-catching ability also forces safeties to cover the middle, giving Welker and Branch room to get open. When the Pats are in pure-passing situations, jamming WRs and blitzing Brady (worked great in 2009 in those road losses) rarely works as the Pats have rediscovered their outlet game to their RBs as Woodhead has proven to be an excellent replacement for Faulk and even BJGE has had his moments catching out of the backfield.

Despite the great play over the last four games, only two were on the road and in one of them (Detroit) the offense took one half to really get rolling. Road games against winning teams are never an easy win, so I suspect Chicago will have some success stopping the Pats on several drives. The key is will they stop them on enough drives.
Excellent points all. I would, from the Bears perspective, add a few counter points. While I agree that 2 TE sets and two very good pass-catching TEs typically provide matchup issues, Briggs and Urlacher are two of the best (and fastest) TEs in the business. The Jets are horrible at covering TEs. Secondly, with the weather (30+ mph winds and rain/snow) I think Brady will find going down the field to be less reliable than usual (and the Bears corners are no slouches).In terms of blitzing, the Bears simply dont do it much. With Peppers, Tommy Harris, Melton, Idonije, Toeina and other D-linemen, they simply haven't had to much - and have still been able to generate decent pressure. They are middle of the pack in terms of sacks, but 2nd in opposing QB ratings against them and are the NFL's best when it comes to yards per completion at 6.2. Also, while it's true that the Pats are 2nd in the league in defensive INTs, the Bears are just two behind them with 16. And before someone points out that Brady has thrown a pick in the last 200+ attempts, Vick hadn't thrown one all season either...until he did against the Bears. Bad weather wont help the Patriots passing game either. The Bears are also 2nd best in rushing yards against as well, so the NE offense might find it a little bit more difficult to move the ball than they have been used to.

The injuries at OLB with both Tinoisamoa and Roach banged up after this last game, might hurt a little, but Roach expects to play, so the SAM LB should be fine.

This game should be a very good one. I am not predicting a NE loss - just pointing out some reasons why a NE win is hardly a given.
great discussion here. bears have a much better defensive setup than the jets to combat pats scoring with (rush 4, better cover lbs, etc.).peppers is dpoy despite all the Troy P love floating around...

 
I expect the Pats to move up and down the field with the short passing game the Bears typically allow. If the weather is bad for the pass, it will be interesting if the Bears bring up the safeties and attack the quick throw. It should come down to red zone efficiency on both sides.

 
great discussion here. bears have a much better defensive setup than the jets to combat pats scoring with (rush 4, better cover lbs, etc.).peppers is dpoy despite all the Troy P love floating around...
His impact on the Bears defense can not be quantified. He has dominated against the run and pass.
 
While I doubt Chicago makes it to the SB, what would people say if this is the matchup and the Pats lose?

 
I am not sure why this is funny. The Saints have beaten the Steelers by a pretty sizable margin, Atlanta beat the Ravens, and if I remember right the last time your Pats played my Saints in a meaningful game the Saints won by a pretty sizable margin. Never discount the NFC. The Bears will probably roll over the Pats in this game.
 
great discussion here. bears have a much better defensive setup than the jets to combat pats scoring with (rush 4, better cover lbs, etc.).peppers is dpoy despite all the Troy P love floating around...
His impact on the Bears defense can not be quantified. He has dominated against the run and pass.
best personnel move the bears have made in years. anyone denying his dominance is an idiot.
 
Bears seem to do the best when no one expects anything.

Still, I can't see them pulling this out. Getting pressure on Brady will be the key on defense and Bennett/Knox need to be in top form for it to happen.

I'd be shocked if NE's pass to run ratio was anything less than 4:1. I hate to say it, but Brady will probably carve up the secondary.

 
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Bears seem to do the best when no one expects anything.Still, I can't see them pulling this out. Getting pressure on Brady will be the key on defense and Bennett/Knox need to be in top form for it to happen.I'd be shocked if NE's pass to run ratio was anything less than 4:1. I hate to say it, but Brady will probably carve up the secondary.
The Bears do allow teams to move the ball at times, especially in the air. The Patriots offense is tailor made to succeed against a tough defense like the Bears. Granted, the Chicago D is better than anyone at clamping down or forcing turnovers when they need them. But it's a helluva thing to have to rely on against an offense as strong and well-coached as New England's. The X factor is the Bears offense. They've surprised some people lately, but they won't surprise New England. I'm hoping for the best. It should be a great game. I'm a homer, so I'll take the Bears 23-21.
 
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Chicago & GB have the QBs and passing game to go after NE where they are weakest and I expect both games to be very difficult.
So did San Diego and Indy, but that didn't seem to matter.Also, with the expected wind in Chitown on Sunday, I think this favors the Pats short passing game over Chicago's air it out offense.
 
Chicago & GB have the QBs and passing game to go after NE where they are weakest and I expect both games to be very difficult.
So did San Diego and Indy, but that didn't seem to matter.Also, with the expected wind in Chitown on Sunday, I think this favors the Pats short passing game over Chicago's air it out offense.
You clearly haven't seen the Bears offense since the bye week. More running and short passing vs the longer drops for Cutler(pre bye week).
 
Chicago & GB have the QBs and passing game to go after NE where they are weakest and I expect both games to be very difficult.
So did San Diego and Indy, but that didn't seem to matter.Also, with the expected wind in Chitown on Sunday, I think this favors the Pats short passing game over Chicago's air it out offense.
You clearly haven't seen the Bears offense since the bye week. More running and short passing vs the longer drops for Cutler(pre bye week).
:lmao: Before the bye, Cutler's numbers were much different than they have been since. Just as a point point of comparison, these are Cutler's numbers (the Giants game not included, as he only played the first half):1441 yards passing, averaging 14 YPC and 34 attempts per game.Since the bye:1062 yards passing, averaging 11.8 YPC and 27.4 attempts per game.Since the bye, his QB rating has been 85+ 4/5 games. Prior to the bye it was 85+ in only 2/5. Prior to the bye Cutler had thrown 7 TDs and 7 INTs. Since the bye it's been 10 TDs and 3 INTs. The point being that the Bears changed their offensive philosophy to some degree during their bye week - and it's showing up not only in stats, but in W/L ratio as well. This is actually most obvious in the number of rushing attempts per game. Prior to the bye week the Bears had rushed an average of 16.3 times per game (that's including the 42-rush game against the Panthers that Cutler was out for) - since the bye, the Bears are averaging 33 rushing attempts per game - more than twice as many...and they've been succesful in running the ball as well.
 
Chicago & GB have the QBs and passing game to go after NE where they are weakest and I expect both games to be very difficult.
So did San Diego and Indy, but that didn't seem to matter.Also, with the expected wind in Chitown on Sunday, I think this favors the Pats short passing game over Chicago's air it out offense.
You clearly haven't seen the Bears offense since the bye week. More running and short passing vs the longer drops for Cutler(pre bye week).
Ok, point taken. But the Pats short passing has to trump the Bears.
 
Chicago & GB have the QBs and passing game to go after NE where they are weakest and I expect both games to be very difficult.
So did San Diego and Indy, but that didn't seem to matter.Also, with the expected wind in Chitown on Sunday, I think this favors the Pats short passing game over Chicago's air it out offense.
You clearly haven't seen the Bears offense since the bye week. More running and short passing vs the longer drops for Cutler(pre bye week).
Ok, point taken. But the Pats short passing has to trump the Bears.
Well it would if the Pats offense got to throw against the Pats defense, but unfortunately they don't...Sorry Patriot fans, the short turnaround after Monday night's high is about to be followed by a low this weekend. Maybe if this game were in NE it would be a different story, but unfortunately for the Pats it will be played on the shores of Lake Michigan.

 
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Chicago & GB have the QBs and passing game to go after NE where they are weakest and I expect both games to be very difficult.
So did San Diego and Indy, but that didn't seem to matter.Also, with the expected wind in Chitown on Sunday, I think this favors the Pats short passing game over Chicago's air it out offense.
You clearly haven't seen the Bears offense since the bye week. More running and short passing vs the longer drops for Cutler(pre bye week).
Ok, point taken. But the Pats short passing has to trump the Bears.
People have made all kinds of interesting statistical, schematic, historical and even humerous posts to carry on this great thread. And then you went and this-ed all over it. :rolleyes:
 
While I doubt Chicago makes it to the SB, what would people say if this is the matchup and the Pats lose?
I think fans will begin to respect the Bears organization a LOT more because they would have gone to the super bowl twice in five seasons, winning one. Lovie Smith garners a lot more respect than he currently does. At the same time, the Patriots legend still grows because that makes 5 super bowl trips for New England under Tom Brady. Just getting there on a consistent basis like that is difficult.
 
While I doubt Chicago makes it to the SB, what would people say if this is the matchup and the Pats lose?
I think fans will begin to respect the Bears organization a LOT more because they would have gone to the super bowl twice in five seasons, winning one. Lovie Smith garners a lot more respect than he currently does. At the same time, the Patriots legend still grows because that makes 5 super bowl trips for New England under Tom Brady. Just getting there on a consistent basis like that is difficult.
Just ask the Bills and Jim Kelly.
 

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