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neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
I mean he literally saves a squirrel and then goes nuts saving a dog. Seems like that has a lot about kindness to living creatures.

I liked it a lot. Certainly not my favorite movie ever but I was way into it and am going to take my son to see it this weekend as well.
 
I guess I'll be the contrarian and say that I didn't like it at all.

I have a laundry list of things I rolled my eyes at; from the barely better than The Flash CGI to the ranging from uninteresting to downright annoying characters, and finishing with the Dog Ex Machina device of Krypto.

The worst was the outright changing of basic Superman mythos. Okay, that's not true - the worst was Guy Gardner's Anton Chigurh haircut. I know that's what the character looks like but that doesn't mean I want to see it on the big screen.

At least it wasn't woke like it was suspected to be. But neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
You kind of expected to dislike it, right?
 
I guess I'll be the contrarian and say that I didn't like it at all.

I have a laundry list of things I rolled my eyes at; from the barely better than The Flash CGI to the ranging from uninteresting to downright annoying characters, and finishing with the Dog Ex Machina device of Krypto.

The worst was the outright changing of basic Superman mythos. Okay, that's not true - the worst was Guy Gardner's Anton Chigurh haircut. I know that's what the character looks like but that doesn't mean I want to see it on the big screen.

At least it wasn't woke like it was suspected to be. But neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
You kind of expected to dislike it, right?
No. That was just about the director stepping in it, rather ironically.
 
neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
I mean he literally saves a squirrel and then goes nuts saving a dog. Seems like that has a lot about kindness to living creatures.

I liked it a lot. Certainly not my favorite movie ever but I was way into it and am going to take my son to see it this weekend as well.
Individual acts, sure. But as a central theme explored it developed in ways not already baked into the character or explored over the years? Not really. :shrug:
 
neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
I mean he literally saves a squirrel and then goes nuts saving a dog. Seems like that has a lot about kindness to living creatures.

I liked it a lot. Certainly not my favorite movie ever but I was way into it and am going to take my son to see it this weekend as well.
Individual acts, sure. But as a central theme explored it developed in ways not already baked into the character or explored over the years? Not really. :shrug:
I don’t think anybody said they were trying to break new ground with the character here. They were trying to return him to his optimistic roots after the darker version in man of steel and that stupid *** Batman/Superman movie.
 
neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
I mean he literally saves a squirrel and then goes nuts saving a dog. Seems like that has a lot about kindness to living creatures.

I liked it a lot. Certainly not my favorite movie ever but I was way into it and am going to take my son to see it this weekend as well.
Individual acts, sure. But as a central theme explored it developed in ways not already baked into the character or explored over the years? Not really. :shrug:
I don’t think anybody said they were trying to break new ground with the character here. They were trying to return him to his optimistic roots after the darker version in man of steel and that stupid *** Batman/Superman movie.
I can agree they at least did that - although I'll always be a defender of MoS. But yeah, anything after that is unwatchable.
 
neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
I mean he literally saves a squirrel and then goes nuts saving a dog. Seems like that has a lot about kindness to living creatures.

I liked it a lot. Certainly not my favorite movie ever but I was way into it and am going to take my son to see it this weekend as well.
Individual acts, sure. But as a central theme explored it developed in ways not already baked into the character or explored over the years? Not really. :shrug:
I don’t think anybody said they were trying to break new ground with the character here. They were trying to return him to his optimistic roots after the darker version in man of steel and that stupid *** Batman/Superman movie.

One of the key narratives in old school comic book talk was that the two most important characters in DC Comics were Ma and Pa Kent; simply because they raised a good, caring child who would do anything to help people. I think Gunn was trying to get back to this.....particularly after Pa Kents kind of weird, cynical take on what Superman should do in the Man of Steel movie.
 
There are certainly a few things that could have been done better imo, or at least I would have preferred. A few thoughts

Green lantern - it’s just my age and when I followed but Hal Jordan will always be my Green lantern.

The video - that Clark was unable to see part of it but Lex and the engineer seem to have had no issue is a bit off imo. Not horrible and clearly had a huge impact on the story

Justice gang - only 3 people? I get that they probably didn’t want to bring in another Batman, Wonder Woman or flash yet, but Green arrow, Atom, Black canary or a bunch of others could have joined.

Mr terrific lived up to his name

I don’t love bringing in Super Girl at the end like that but she could be an interesting character and is the next movie.

Both of us thought krypto was a lot like our golden doodle. If ours could fly.
 
I saw it and really liked it! I'd give it a B+ overall. Much lighter in tone than the depressing Snyder movies. Lots of comic easter eggs in there. I think David and Rachel did a great job as Supes and Lois. Christopher Reeves is still the top Superman in my book (well for the first 2 movies, 3 and 4 were trash), but David did a great job. I really like Henry Cavill, but his material wasn't up to snuff. I thought Hoult was just OK as Lex Luthor, Gene Hackman remains the bar for the character.

Nathan Fillion was great in his role, and I like the other 2 members of the gang as well. Looking forward to see how they expand it. Krypto was awesome. There is a cameo at the end I won't spoil, but I didn't like the first interaction with that character (although my son told me it is somewhat comic accurate).

I didn't see the movie being political at all, and that is from someone who is center-right. I really think if you were offended by anything in that movie, you went in expecting to be offended and reached for something.
Well said. While I have a soft spot for 'Superman: The Movie' in general and Reeve's performance in particular, this might be my favorite Superman movie. It's not flawless by any means, but it's the one I feel I'll revisit the most. It is definitely the most "comic booky" of the Superman movies.

From other comments in here:
  • This movie is not political at all. Very refreshing.
  • Superman isn't "all powerful" in this. He gets his butt handed to him on the regular, and he gets bailed out by the Justice Gang.
  • I would have liked to have seen the movie open with Superman stopping the war (instead of it being a one-off line of dialogue). That would have given more weight to the first interview with Lois. She was coming at things from a philosophical point of view and Superman was literally the boots on the ground.
  • The cameo at the end ties directly to a comics series - if you're a fan you'll get it right away. Looking forward to what they setup if Gunn is involved in that project. (ESPECIALLY if it includes the Red Lantern run)
  • This movie is corny. He saves a squirrel for gosh sakes. This isn't Man of Steel.
  • There are some ties to Doomsday in this, one of the many Easter eggs in here. If you're a DC fan, there's a lot that will make you smile.
  • I'm getting a Superman movie with Metamorpho and Guy Gardner? Hypno-Glasses? Dimensional Imps? Hell yeah.
 
It was ok.
Comparing to the two recent Marvel films, it was much better than Captain America but I liked Thunderbolts* much better.
 
Saw it last night.

Spoiler free observations:

The first 30 minutes or so are a little disjointed. Gunn drops you into an already established universe and the first 30 minutes you're finding your heading.

Nicholas Hoult and David Corenswet are great in their roles. Hoult in particular. I think his is the best Lex Luthor...by far (RIP Gene Hackman). Like all great comic villains...he's not exactly WRONG in his reasonings.

I don't think Brandon Routh gets enough credit for being a Christopher Reeve style Superman (lets all admit...Reeve is the best)....but Corenswet is an excellent Gen Z version of a Christopher Reeve Superman.

In typical Gunn fashion (particularly Guardians 3 Gunn) he'll tug on the heart strings a bit.....but none of the characters are as pop-ish or snarky as the Guardians characters.

Snyders Man of Steel gave us a great physical threat in Michael Shannons Zod....but Gunn gives us a Superman who does feel vulnerable. Some don't like him being a little de-powered, but it does add to the story.

Gunn did a great setting up future movies in this DCU. It really does feel like it has the potential to be as limitless as the MCU.
Great writeup, even if we differ a little on Hoult. You brought up something I meant to mention. I've never been the biggest Superman fan because he is often portrayed as being too powerful. The stakes don't seem to be there since he is nigh invulnerable (I really loved how they exploited one of his known weaknesses though). In this movie, he did not seem all powerful, which I actually appreciated.

I said "by far" and that's a stretch as I really do like Hackman. To me though, Hackman's Luthor seemed to rely more on Supermans conscience and sense of morality in formulating plans to defeat him. Hoult's Luthor felt legitimately dangerous and I think he did a great job portraying a man who genuinely believes he has the talent, ability, determination and even moral superiority to beat Superman.
 
Summer blockbuster movie by a Writer/Director that I have historically enjoyed to the utmost.

I've seen it twice now, second viewing is just as enjoyable as the first. Fantastic kick off to the latest DC universe.
 
I keep hearing how Superman wasn’t all-powerful and got his *** kicked, which was true, but wasn’t he getting his *** kicked by his clone that had Luther feeding him fight strategy?

So he got beat up by himself a few times.
 
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Watched it Tuesday.

I enjoyed it. I like Gunn's sense of humor and how he incorporates it into his movies.
I feel that is missing from a lot of superhero movies.

Story was good. CGI was good. It was good. Not great....good.

Not nearly enough Mikaela Hoover.
 
Did my 'once every 2 years or so' visit to the theatre today and saw it. I give it a 8. They did a good job.
 
Saw it this weekend, thought it was very good. Certainly much better than the Snyder versions. Cast did a great job, could see how some might try to bend some of the plot points into social/political commentary if you squint hard enough but didn't bother me any.

Ultimately Krypto made the movie IMO.
 
I guess I'll be the contrarian and say that I didn't like it at all.

I have a laundry list of things I rolled my eyes at; from the barely better than The Flash CGI to the ranging from uninteresting to downright annoying characters, and finishing with the Dog Ex Machina device of Krypto.

The worst was the outright changing of basic Superman mythos. Okay, that's not true - the worst was Guy Gardner's Anton Chigurh haircut. I know that's what the character looks like but that doesn't mean I want to see it on the big screen.

At least it wasn't woke like it was suspected to be. But neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
1/4 stars for me.

Easily the worst Superman Movie I ever saw not named Superman IV The Quest For Peace.

Changing the cannon about Jorel and Lara was downright dirty and awful. And Ma and PA Kent? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!!!!!! Portrayed them as idiots.

Superman was a wuss in this movie. Total wuss. The story was disjointed, so many roll my eyes moments. Just baaaaaaaad.

Saving grace were some good performances by Superman, Lex and Mr Terrific but that's it......the rest was cringe inducing.

The Justice League (gang as they called it) was cringe worthy crap.

So these guys at Warner Brothers got together and said "Hey Snyders Justice League Trilogy (which is good BTW not great but worlds better than this garbage that was rolled out as a restart for the DCU) was too dark let's take the Marvel Approach and make constant one liners, be funny, goofy blah blah blah.

Dude.......DC ain't Marvel.

Anyway we have our good DC flicks to watch......too bad for the new generation this is their supposed Superman.


My Superman rankings

1. Superman II
2. Superman The Movie
3. Man of Steel
4. Superman III (yeah I love this one too not a popular opinion)
5. Batman Vs Superman Director's cut
6. Justice League Snyders Cut
7. Superman Returns


I just make make believe Quest for Peace and this POS were never made.
 
neither was it about "kindness" like Gunn tried to market it. I didn't feel like it was about much at all.
I mean he literally saves a squirrel and then goes nuts saving a dog. Seems like that has a lot about kindness to living creatures.

I liked it a lot. Certainly not my favorite movie ever but I was way into it and am going to take my son to see it this weekend as well.
I saw it with my son and wife.....20 minutes in I begged them to walk out....I lost.

My son was meh after it was over (context he is 20 years old and grew up on Reeves and Man of Steel) and my wife after a night to sleep on it and then watch Man of Steel again thought it was crap.

But I literally wanted out of the theater 20 minutes in (paid $5 a ticket btw)
 
As someone who loved the original movies I was disappointed in this movie. I just couldn't get in to it but it was OK. I didn't notice anything political at all.
 
I liked it and was thrilled it was lighter all around over that dark and brooding monstrosity Snyder foisted on the public. Those were slit your wrist movies, this one was a good time family movie with enough meat on the bones to open up a new world for the DCU. Loved Krypto, thought it was a nice touch making him out to be a regular dog with super powers but not some talking, thinking intelligence. This movie definitely harkened back to the Reeve's originals in a good way and portends a good future for Superman. Looking forward to more of this.
 
Changing the cannon about Jorel and Lara was downright dirty and awful. And Ma and PA Kent? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!!!!!! Portrayed them as idiots.

This really was an odd choice.
It really rubbed me the wrong way. And completely discredited the entire movie for me. The relationship he had with Ma and Pa Kent was reduced to comic relief and making them out to be total country bumpkins who shop exclusively at a Super Walmart.

And then the whole Jorel and Lara thing was a mockery of the sacrifice they made for Kalel.....outrageous and a farce.

If you enjoyed the movie....no worries. But being a lifelong Superman fan this was an utter disaster of a movie. Oh well. I can simply enjoy what we have....we have tons of far better Superman content to enjoy over this reboot of the DCU.

And Rotten Tomatoes is a joke. I never have used any critics or general public reviews to sway me with movies or music......I simply judge for myself. And in this case I am highly contrarian in comparison with the general public on this craptastic superhero movie.
 
Changing the cannon about Jorel and Lara was downright dirty and awful. And Ma and PA Kent? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!!!!!! Portrayed them as idiots.

This really was an odd choice.
It really rubbed me the wrong way. And completely discredited the entire movie for me. The relationship he had with Ma and Pa Kent was reduced to comic relief and making them out to be total country bumpkins who shop exclusively at a Super Walmart.

And then the whole Jorel and Lara thing was a mockery of the sacrifice they made for Kalel.....outrageous and a farce.

If you enjoyed the movie....no worries. But being a lifelong Superman fan this was an utter disaster of a movie. Oh well. I can simply enjoy what we have....we have tons of far better Superman content to enjoy over this reboot of the DCU.

And Rotten Tomatoes is a joke. I never have used any critics or general public reviews to sway me with movies or music......I simply judge for myself. And in this case I am highly contrarian in comparison with the general public on this craptastic superhero movie.
As a Superman super fan, do you give this opinion piece any sway? It was written in 2017 so isn't influenced by the current movie and with Supe's parents message I went to the google machine to research if it was valid. Turns out it may be.
 
Changing the cannon about Jorel and Lara was downright dirty and awful. And Ma and PA Kent? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!!!!!! Portrayed them as idiots.

This really was an odd choice.
It really rubbed me the wrong way. And completely discredited the entire movie for me. The relationship he had with Ma and Pa Kent was reduced to comic relief and making them out to be total country bumpkins who shop exclusively at a Super Walmart.

And then the whole Jorel and Lara thing was a mockery of the sacrifice they made for Kalel.....outrageous and a farce.

If you enjoyed the movie....no worries. But being a lifelong Superman fan this was an utter disaster of a movie. Oh well. I can simply enjoy what we have....we have tons of far better Superman content to enjoy over this reboot of the DCU.

And Rotten Tomatoes is a joke. I never have used any critics or general public reviews to sway me with movies or music......I simply judge for myself. And in this case I am highly contrarian in comparison with the general public on this craptastic superhero movie.
As a Superman super fan, do you give this opinion piece any sway? It was written in 2017 so isn't influenced by the current movie and with Supe's parents message I went to the google machine to research if it was valid. Turns out it may be.
Not a word about Jorel as he and his wife Lara had a natural birth in defiance of Kryptonian ways. My point is strictly about them and their sacrifice to save Kalel and send him to earth where he would thrive and be a hero to the people of Earth. Jorel warned the powers that be about Krypton's imminent doom. He was against the military coup of General Zod and his treason. Jorel stood for the good of Krypton....not this total anti Kryton article.

They flipped the script badly on that. It was a mockery of the "source material" of the original comic which it was supposed to be and have the spirit of.
 
Changing the mythology of his parents is almost as bad as Luke disdainfully tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder.
At least they had the wherewithal to keep (or at least pay homage to) the John Williams theme for this movie.
 
Changing the cannon about Jorel and Lara was downright dirty and awful. And Ma and PA Kent? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!!!!!! Portrayed them as idiots.

This really was an odd choice.
I don't think it was. I mean, I get why pureists hate it and even myself thinks that the idea of changing the lore of an established character/franchise is blasphemous and writers and studios (mostly studios) shouldn't be (or rather I wish they weren't) as afraid to try new things. That said, I've never watched any of the Superman movies or Clark and Louis or Smallville so I'm not super familiar with the lore but I understand enough to understand @Todems point. While I tend to agree, from the point of James Gunn and Warner Brothers, changing the lore and trying to distance yourself from previous Superman movies while trying to eke out the last few $$$ from a franchise/character that's been done a zillion times makes plenty of sense from their POV. Without it, one of the big plot points doesn't happen. Basic logic says it doesn't make sense but it's a movie written by James Gunn so...You probably could have kept the same plot point and not changed the lore so it was a bit of sloppy writing, IMHO.

Now I do understand the parents thing but I didn't really understand what he meant about Ma and Pa. I just thought the scene/they were there to represent a nurture over nature narrative plot point and fine? With what they were doing it made sense.

I think my biggest gripe with this movie is that it feels more like a sequel than a first movie in a franchise but that might have been intentional so if said movie makes a bucket of cash then they can do spinoffs and prequels and work backwards. My general stance on adding (or name dropping) so many unnecessary characters is that it diluted the story just a tad. Of course, (slight spoiler) one of them becomes a big part of the main plotline which I guess you could say HAD to happen (although there was probably a work around). Still, a Superman movie should star Superman and evennthough I liked Nathan Fillion's comic relief, they all amounted to cameos so they could pimp out the next movie starring X character.

I like animals and dogs but this was kind of silly.

I liked the (what some say is political) subplot better than the main plot which gets contradicted in the boss "fight" which was just horrible horrible writing. I'm a bit sad right now since I looked a James Gunn's filmography and I LIKE alot of what he's done but this one was either not very good and/or I'm just being way overcritical.

oh sorry, I watched the movie the other night and had some thoughts.
 
The Jor-El thing has been done before in comics. It doesn't jibe with the traditional narratives that we're accustomed to; but some comics and even the show Smallville broke with tradition on the benevolent, loving Els. That being said, Snyder's Man of Steel broke tradition with his view of the Kents (although that was also parroted by some comics) and their view on what/who Clark should be to humanity.

I'm kind of one though that thinks that the message in Gunn's Superman was manipulated not by Luthor....but by someone/thing else.
 
It was simply a really crappy Superman movie. That’s my opinion and some agree and some don’t. It did absolutely nothing for me as a lifelong Superman fan.

Highly forgettable and easily the worst since Superman IV.
 
It was simply a really crappy Superman movie. That’s my opinion and some agree and some don’t. It did absolutely nothing for me as a lifelong Superman fan.

Highly forgettable and easily the worst since Superman IV.
If i didnt bring 8 year old twins with me that have never seen any other Superman movie other than Man of Steel, id agree mostly. But in that sense it was nice and campy for us. But im a batman guy.

And at least it was miles better than Superman III
 
Finally got around to the new Superman movie. Made it 8 minutes then turned it off. Really?

Found this thread and was quite surprised on the feedback. I'll try watching again later after the silliness of it leaves my mind.
 
Besides the original with Reeves, I've found the rest to be really bad. Meh at best. The original with Reeves was probably only palatable because I was a kid at the time.
 
Finally got around to the new Superman movie. Made it 8 minutes then turned it off. Really?

Found this thread and was quite surprised on the feedback. I'll try watching again later after the silliness of it leaves my mind.
I’m sorry but how do you make a decision on literally any movie after 8 minutes.
 
I’m sorry but how do you make a decision on literally any movie after 8 minutes.
Simple. I use my beautiful rights as an American. Just kidding. Ha ha. Seriously though. You can't do this for all movies, but for something like Superman, that has decades of history, I had an expectation of the "tone" I was expecting. Silly dialogue and a dog with a cape did not meet "my" expectations. I respect the board and it's positive opinion on the movie and will try to restart tonight though. I'll go into it like a 13 year old boy looking to be entertained, instead of a 50 year old man curious about where they take the Supeman character. All my get off my lawn opinion of course.
 
I really liked the alternate Superman cartoons on Netflix.

I recently watched the original Superman movies from the 80s. Hated it as a kid but I enjoyed it this time around.

Looking forward to hating this one.
 
I really liked the alternate Superman cartoons on Netflix.

I recently watched the original Superman movies from the 80s. Hated it as a kid but I enjoyed it this time around.

Looking forward to hating this one.
What? Which alternate cartoons on Netflix? Why are you looking forward to hating this?
 
Finally got around to the new Superman movie. Made it 8 minutes then turned it off. Really?

Found this thread and was quite surprised on the feedback. I'll try watching again later after the silliness of it leaves my mind.
I’m sorry but how do you make a decision on literally any movie after 8 minutes.
I'm trying to figure out what was so off putting in the first 8 minutes?
I commented about it above. How about a super dog in cape? Not my thing. Ha ha
 
Finally got around to the new Superman movie. Made it 8 minutes then turned it off. Really?

Found this thread and was quite surprised on the feedback. I'll try watching again later after the silliness of it leaves my mind.
I’m sorry but how do you make a decision on literally any movie after 8 minutes.
I'm trying to figure out what was so off putting in the first 8 minutes?
I commented about it above. How about a super dog in cape? Not my thing. Ha ha
Fair enough. So you aren't a fan of comics in general? Or just superman?
 
I really liked the alternate Superman cartoons on Netflix.

I recently watched the original Superman movies from the 80s. Hated it as a kid but I enjoyed it this time around.

Looking forward to hating this one.
What? Which alternate cartoons on Netflix? Why are you looking forward to hating this?


I was kidding about the looking forward to hating this.


Red Son was one of them I watched on Netflix. Essentially, he was found in Russia instead of Kansas (or wherever he is found here.)

 
I really liked the alternate Superman cartoons on Netflix.

I recently watched the original Superman movies from the 80s. Hated it as a kid but I enjoyed it this time around.

Looking forward to hating this one.
What? Which alternate cartoons on Netflix? Why are you looking forward to hating this?


I was kidding about the looking forward to hating this.


Red Son was one of them I watched on Netflix. Essentially, he was found in Russia instead of Kansas (or wherever he is found here.)

:thumbup:

The DC Animated stuff is the best out there re: comics.

I didn't think it was on Netflix, thought HBO Max had the rights
 

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